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Title: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: sledgehammer on August 18, 2009, 10:13:16 am
A court in Texas issued Microsoft a permanent injunction, banning it from selling or importing any Microsoft Word products to the U.S. that have capability of opening .XML, .DOX, or DOCM files (XML).  And Microsoft was ordered to pay up $290 million to boot.

Delightful.

John
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: Windozer on August 18, 2009, 05:17:15 pm
Wow John - no XML !  Yikes ... The Richest Man in the Solar System looks worried:

http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/aug/12/court-bans-microsoft-from-selling-word-in-us.htm

$290 mil is peanuts - a whole jar of peanuts - but they'll appeal.

Maybe the US learned something from MS:

If you can't buy, beat, or BSOD 'em - bankrupt 'em!

No XML, new WORD model no worky!
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 19, 2009, 01:36:51 pm
These guys are unbelievable ... check this out

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It's also challenging the injunction on semi-humanitarian grounds by claiming that consumers will be injured if Word vanishes from the market, even temporarily. And that actually might be the case, considering how popular the word processor is.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/147393

Are they serious?
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: sledgehammer on August 19, 2009, 02:50:39 pm
So, I file a motion to strike my opponent's answer and enter a default judgment in favor of my client on the grounds that his pleading was prepared with Word?  Sounds like fun.

Long live Lyx.

John

Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: brokndodge on August 19, 2009, 08:08:54 pm
but wait, how does this bear on microsoft's recent patent award on the use of xml itself?

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,571,169.PN.&OS=PN/7,571,169&RS=PN/7,571,169
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: MikeCindi on August 20, 2009, 05:57:46 am
I would seem to the court/judge in Texas that it does not have bearing esp. with regard to the i4i claim.
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: Lyn on August 20, 2009, 06:48:50 am
One report I saw suggested that if the company win this case against Microsoft then all word processors that use xml will be in danger, including OpenOffice.org.
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: Windozer on August 20, 2009, 09:53:19 am
Assuming i4i starts requiring license fees from all XML software vendors, perhaps it will repeat the GIF format's history.

Or people may drop it, finding some other means.

Perhaps we need to start a new XML, say in the O'reilly cover art style... we could call it Open Office Mark Up Language Extended, or:

OO'MULE

Quick! Go trademark and copyright all kickass donkey logos!

hehaw hehaw
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: The Headacher on August 20, 2009, 10:04:55 am
This is hardly something to rejoice over. Software patents pose a MUCH greater threat to open source software than does Microsoft IMO.
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: Dweeberkitty on August 20, 2009, 03:14:20 pm
This is hardly something to rejoice over. Software patents pose a MUCH greater threat to open source software than does Microsoft IMO.

Why do you think that? I haven't given the matter much thought. Please enlighten me!
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: Windozer on August 21, 2009, 01:47:09 pm
Headacher > Software patents pose a MUCH greater threat to open source software than does Microsoft IMO

True indeed.

@Dweeber - I know you asked for a reply from Headacher, but I'd like to toss in a picture.

Think of a car. Microsoft owns the most commonly used engine. They invented and built some of its parts, bought some (most?) others, and the remaining engine parts are in the public domain. You and I buy the cars - and pay through the nose for Microsofts engine. (My Lamborghini engine is  of course Vector ;-P ).  (Now where's the bumper-sticker thread when we need it?)

So the open source community builds a new engine... it's better, faster, cheaper ... but it too may rely on some parts that are owned by others. If these owners don't mind or don't charge an unreasonable fee, then it all works fine.

Now throw a wrench into the works: We build a better engine, but Acme Car Parts Inc., who owns the rights to the newer-style Piston (let's say), has heartburn over us using it for free. So they refuse to let us use it at all - or they want too much for it. 

No piston, no engine - and, as they say in Spanish,  "no va " which of course means " it doesn't go " and sounds like The Chevy Nova ... :) (yes it's a myth)

The more patent infringements, the harder it is to get stuff done openly.

Open Source is really more about Open Rights.
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 21, 2009, 01:51:04 pm
That makes sence...
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: nitehawk on August 21, 2009, 02:03:19 pm
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which of course means " it doesn't go " and sounds like The Chevy Nova ... Smiley

Now wait!  I fondly remember my 4cyl. Chevy Nova,....oh wait,.....I also remember all it's problems.   ::)
Title: Re: Microsoft screws up again
Post by: sledgehammer on August 21, 2009, 06:10:59 pm
And I remember the promise of computing in the CPM and DOS days, before it came under Microsoft's control.  That promise is still alive in Linux.