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Title: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: vector on May 07, 2010, 11:16:00 pm
SOHO-RC2.8 is up...............please test this. There are some important installer changes and many package updates. There is nothing dramatic between 2.0 and 2.8 but as we are closing in on final need the loyal testers to give this a run thru. Good news is we believe the uid issue is fixed as well as the cli keymap issue (please check /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap) if you tried something different than standard us map. I changed a few issues with the installer so hopefully if something crashes you get back to a command line instead  of a reboot so maybe we can debug what happened. The package updates should bolster stability and speed. Please let me know your results.

http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/iso-test/VL6.0-SOHO-RC2.8.iso
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/iso-test/VL6.0-SOHO-RC2.8-CD2.iso


Thanks all for testing once again.................. ;D

Cheers,
Vec

Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 08, 2010, 05:35:09 am
I really need to do something about this Internet connection. Takes me 5 hours to download this.  ;D

I'll get 'er installed and report back later.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: alextaylor on May 08, 2010, 04:02:38 pm
I just wanted to say well done to the team, and thank you very much for this great system!
I downloaded and installed VL6-SOHO RC-2 today May 8th. The Install worked perfectly. Graphics are great. Everything worked out of the box. It appears quite stable.  As usual the applications I use are all working without any help from me. I can't be grateful enough for the amazing products the development team makes available for our use. VL6-SOHO RC-2 is a keeper.
alextaylor
Test Machine:
Compaq Presario Desktop AMD Athlon 3500 Processor+2GB DDR2 SDRAM memory 150 ATA hard drive NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE Graphics.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 08, 2010, 04:20:17 pm
No problems with installation and all the updates/customizations that I do. Still get KDE crash with gkrellm and presumably nvidia proprietary (or at least so it seemed due to the issue with rc2.0 not loading nvidia-latest). I've googled for a solution but as of yet have not found one. Thus I will try a different card (ATI based) and see if that keeps KDE happy. (I'm getting more like GG in that KDE is losing favor with me. I enjoyed 3.x.x but the 4.x.x series is more cumbersome to navigate for my preferences.)
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 08, 2010, 06:50:34 pm
Installed without a hitch. Going through my routine to get it customized to my liking.

Something I should have caught early on, and while it may be too late to incorporate it into the final release, it's something that I'd like to see in future releases.

I would prefer not to include my WIndows installation in the bootloader. Unfortunately, the ability to uncheck the option only exists with LILO. You can't tell GRUB to ignore it during the installation phase.

GRUB also didn't detect the VL 7 Flux install.

It still isn't taking the proprietary ATI driver. Is the version of x.org we're using dropping support for the older ATI cards as well?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 08, 2010, 07:20:32 pm
DVDs are still unplayable via VLC. Finally got MPlayer to work by changing the codecs.

VLC output:

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retired1:$ vlc
VLC media player 1.0.5 Goldeneye
LibVLC has detected an unusable buggy GNU/libc version.
Please update to version 2.8 or newer.
[0x81c1098] main interface error: no interface module matched "globalhotkeys,none"
[0x81c1098] main interface error: no suitable interface module
[0x804caa0] main libvlc error: interface "globalhotkeys,none" initialization failed
[0x804caa0] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.3
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access
libdvdnav: DVD Title: AVATAR
libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 3C63A5C7
libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): AVATAR
libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/retired1/.dvdnav/AVATAR.map'
libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1

libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys
libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient

libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x00000144
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x0000030f
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x000004d3
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x00001f7c
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x00002122
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x0000313e
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x00003302
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x00005e74
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x00006038
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x00006246
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x0002cc2f
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x003d7455
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
libdvdread: Found 6 VTS's
libdvdread: Elapsed time 0
[0xb276bdf0] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called
[0xb276bdf0] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called
[0xb27d9798] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:192000
QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1
QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1
QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1
[????????] x11 video output error: X11 request 132.19 failed with error code 11:
 BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  132 (XVideo)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
  Serial number of failed request:  101
  Current serial number in output stream:  102
bodacious:/~

xine is still borked as well. FIres up and immediately closes with:

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retired1:$ xine
This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5.
(c) 2000-2007 The xine Team.
X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
  Major opcode of failed request:  132 (XVideo)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
  Serial number of failed request:  2178
  Current serial number in output stream:  2179
bodacious:/~

Went and checked out xine's page, and there is a newer version of the libraries and xine-ui. I'll see if I can package them up.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 08, 2010, 07:37:06 pm
retired1af I have no problems with xine, mplayer, or dragon player. I can't seem to get vlc to download with gslapt (http error reported). These worked "right out of the box." I wonder if it is an issue with your graphics adapter not having suitable drivers?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 08, 2010, 07:41:14 pm
I honestly don't know at this point. In the earlier releases before the release candidates, I was able to use VLC, even though I was unable to install the proprietary ATI driver. I'll do some more digging, but the "insufficient resources" is most likely video driver related.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 08, 2010, 08:22:31 pm
I just tried to load rc2.8 on my laptop and again get the xorg.conf error:
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=11690.msg74158#msg74158 (http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=11690.msg74158#msg74158)
This time, as designed, instead of rebooting it dropped to the command line. While doing this something was checking usb ports scrolling messages:
 
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usb 1-1.1: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address x
usb 1-1.1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, address x
where x = 5-12. Anyway I looked at xorg.conf but found nothing that would seem to cause an error. I then tried running /sbin/setup but the installer wouldn't recognize the cd.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: vector on May 08, 2010, 08:40:22 pm
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just tried to load rc2.8 on my laptop and again get the xorg.conf error:
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=11690.msg74158#msg74158
This time, as designed, instead of rebooting it dropped to the command line. While doing this something was checking usb ports scrolling messages:
Please try the install on your laptop again when you get dropped to the command line check /var/log/x.org.log see if we can see whats going on. Can you use the standard NV driver with that card? when your at the cli also go to /etc/X11 and change xorg.conf.vesa and change it to xorg.conf then run startx see if that works any better for you. By the way mc is built in to make getting around easier at cli. I made a gkrellm package for you works good here no crashes with nvidia driver...................... ;D
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/test/masta/gkrellm-2.3.4-i586-1vl60.txz
 Thanks for the help!!!

cheers,
vec
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 08, 2010, 09:27:11 pm
The first three lines of Xorg.0.log:
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_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/vector:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
Much of the file seems to be "routine" after that until the very end:
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(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:12:0
(WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0531 at 00@00:12:0
(EE) No devices detected.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
The first three lines are similar to the first three lines of Xorg.2.log.old of my VL6 Std install on the same machine. The only difference is line 2 ends with ...inet6/(none):2

I made the change in xorg files as suggested which got a grey screen and mouse pointer but otherwise frozen keyboard and mouse requiring power off.

I tried the gkrellm package and it kills KDE (or possibly just X) as it loads.

I noticed that mc was there and was quite happy about that as my typing skills leave a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 08, 2010, 10:25:22 pm
I did some comparisons in some of the logs trying to get an idea as to why gkrellm causes the problems that it seems to cause in SOHO beta and RC. I came up with the following:
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/var/log/messages: May  8 12:53:06 asrock kernel: warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
/var/log/syslog: 05/08/10 12:53:47 pm asrock kdm[3404] X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly

/var/log/messages: May  8 23:22:21 asrock gconfd (mscott-13709): Exiting
/var/log/syslog: 05/08/10 11:22:21 pm asrock kdm[3404] X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly

/var/log/messages: May  8 23:23:18 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): starting (version 2.22.0), pid 15615 user 'mscott'
/var/log/messages: May  8 23:23:18 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
/var/log/messages: May  8 23:23:18 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/mscott/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1
/var/log/messages: May  8 23:23:18 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2
/var/log/messages: May  8 23:31:29 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): Exiting
/var/log/syslog: 05/08/10 11:23:00 pm asrock kdm[3404] X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly

/var/log/messages: May  8 23:31:29 asrock gconfd (mscott-15615): Exiting
/var/log/syslog: 05/08/10 11:31:29 pm asrock kdm[3404] X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
The first set (at 12:53) was using my compiled gkrellm 2.3.4. The last three sets came with the gkrellm that vector provided. I would like to see the errors posted in a console but I don't know how to do that since gkrellm requires X to be running.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: vector on May 09, 2010, 12:46:39 am
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(WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0531 at 00@00:12:0
(EE) No devices detected.
After some research seems the standard nv driver does not do this chipset and if vesa no works.............not sure what to do..............ideas anyone ???

vec
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 09, 2010, 05:22:56 am
Quote from: vector
After some research seems the standard nv driver does not do this chipset...
umm, just finished the download, now starting to install.  Read Mike Cindi's comment, above, re: problem with nvidea, so, I began testing with my nvidea based PIV ("D") computer,

Behaviour very different from what I expected.  As I write this, I am commencing the install on the older, PIII Trident based computer, and the video resolution is working fine, as is the rest of the install process, thus far, I am only about half way through....

Completely different with the nvidea video controller.  There, the installer reported an error message, UNABLE to locate the installation medium....

how is that even possible:  it is the same medium that booted up the computer!!!

One small, and undoubtedly completely irrelevant point:  The software, upon INITIAL start, gives a copyright date of 2007.  I have seen more recent versions, dating from 2010.  I am 99.9% sure that this date is absolutely irrelevant to other installer issues, but just for completeness, thought I should mention it.

So, I am going to continue to try to finish the installation on the Trident computer, then the S3 Savage, and await further clarification, re:  nvidea......

regards,
CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 09, 2010, 05:40:02 am
Sorry, same problem as with earlier versions, on the Trident based PIII:

I get to the final step, Create Users.
I enter a single letter, T for Tux, for example,
I also have a single letter password,
I then get an error message telling me that "user T already exists"
So, I click on the "back" icon, and try again, first with "TT", then with "TTT"
each time, same error message, user TTT already exists...However, on the third attempt, VL SOHO issues a message, quite unhappy, I suppose, "Unable to successfully complete...Please run VASM...."  Of course, that would be impossible, wouldn't it, I mean, one cannot log in as root, right, so one never gets to run VASM....

The problem remains, unchanged....
regards,
CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 09, 2010, 10:44:03 am
I does seem odd that until SOHO 6 development my laptop had no issues (it currently has VL6 Std on it). The desktop that I use to test has a nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS card which is not an issue for the current installer. I know that my laptop will use the nv driver as I have done so in the past as well as vesa. Thus I'm not sure why the issues now. I have tried using the std 6 disk to boot to and then use the iso for the SOHO releases but the std installer does not find those isos even though they are on the same partition that the 64bit alpha iso and the std iso are on (the installer detects the latter two). Also once I drop down to the command line (out of the installer) I can't get setup to recognize the cd/dvd device even though I can browse it with mc. All of this does not make sense to me and perhaps is not a graphics issue but rather a mobo chipset issue. I don't have any suggestions either other than I do like std 6...
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I just switched from the nvidia proprietary driver to the nv open source and no problems with gkrellm (the one I compiled). I tried everything that seemed to cause the KDE or X crash with the proprietary driver. I also note that my box runs about 5 degrees C cooler. On the downside I can't play supertuxkart, chromium, or armagetron (let alone something more intensive).
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: vector on May 09, 2010, 06:13:36 pm
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However, on the third attempt, VL SOHO issues a message, quite unhappy, I suppose, "Unable to successfully complete...Please run VASM...."  Of course, that would be impossible, wouldn't it, I mean, one cannot log in as root, right, so one never gets to run VASM....

The problem remains, unchanged....
Caieng are you installing the "fun" packages from the second install cd? One of the packages in there is our VL-Theme package which has all things that make kde have its VL look also has some fixes which includes allowing kdm root logins. I think if you try another install including that package set you can get in as root and fix your user accounts. There might be a installer bug when using caps to type your user name make sure you do all in lower case and try again.

vec
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: vector on May 09, 2010, 06:21:34 pm
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I don't have any suggestions either other than I do like std 6...
MikeandCindy we are using a newer version of X.org in soho than in vl std so it may well be an nv bug that cropped up in the newer X.org . I am pretty well commited to this version of X.org as I would lose a lot time either going forwards or backwards version wise. So may have to put your laptop on hold till Vector7 time.........sorry.

cheers,
vec
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 09, 2010, 07:19:16 pm
So may have to put your laptop on hold till Vector7 time.........sorry.

No worries here as std has done very well for me (much like 5.8 did). I appreciate your efforts greatly as do many others that call VL their own.
Mike
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 10, 2010, 02:03:59 am
Quote from: Vec
Caieng are you installing the "fun" packages from the second install cd?
Thanks for asking.
Umm, NO.  I have thus far run into problems without going into the second disk, so I had (obviously incorrectly) assumed that adding a second disk of unknowns would only exacerbate the diagnostic dilemma.

Once I have finished downloading today's release of VL 6.0 KDE Classic-Live, I will download the second cdrom for SOHO, and give it a shot.

Philosophically, may I interject, (perhaps an unappreciated zwei pfennigs!) that in my humble opinion, one does not gain, in the long run, by inserting a complicated mechanism of gears and levers and pulleys into an even more complex arrangement of similar parts, in order to figure out how to repair the defective, inserted components.

Politically, one may add that it is unattractive to indicate to a consumer, than in order for the "base" system to work properly, one must further acquire the deluxe version, notwithstanding any promises made prior to acquisition, that the base system alone would suffice....  Question:  How would you feel if the car salesman informed you that antilock brakes were an attractive option, with only a modest increased cost, compared with standard brakes, but, that if one did not purchase the antilock brakes, then the car could not stop?

Quote from: Vec
There might be a installer bug when using caps to type your user name make sure you do all in lower case and try again.
Well, I wouldn't know about that, I am far too lazy a person to ever employ capital letters....  I would add, that if such a bug exists, it needs to be found, and squashed, tout de suite.

Quote from: Vec
...also has some fixes which includes allowing kdm root logins.
Well, again this is simply a personal perspective, but, I think that one ought not demand of a SOHO owner, Linux wizardry.  In essence, this approach presupposes that the only folks eligible to use this SOHO edition of Vector Linux 6.0, must understand something about "root" versus "user", sufficient to create user accounts.  I remind folks, who may have forgotten, that many of us did not emerge from the womb with intimate knowledge of Unix jargon, and consequently, a guy or gal who simply runs a small enterprise, and does not have time to fool around learning UNIX, will not be happy upon learning that this SOHO edition presupposes a level of "guru-ness" with which he/she may not be very comfortable. 

It is MUCH better, in my opinion, to have VL-6 SOHO work, right out of the box.  Plug it in, turn it on, boom, there's the office desktop.  No muss, no fuss.  That's only the perspective of one SOHO person, me.  So, perhaps other members of the forum will disagree with me, that's fine.  I may be completely wrong about this. 

My idea on how to solve this problem is completely different:  Since one must create users after disk two is installed, ANYWAY, if I have understood Vec's comment above, then, why not eliminate that terminal component of the installer routine, (create user accounts), which currently is not only inoperative, but also leads, at least in my hands, to a fatal crash?

The advantage of having unsophisticates participate in a beta testing routine is sometimes overlooked by those with more extensive knowledge.  We poke and prod things which an intelligent person would never do, and in the process, uncover "defects", normally invisible, but, like the rare tornado or hurricane, can cause incredible damage if that rare combination of circumstances does arise.  In this case we have someone who has zero interest in creating user accounts/passwords, etc, and simply wishes to use the computer for some aspect of running his/her small office/home office operation.  He/She is the sole owner, sole operator, sole user, and has no need for other users.  Shouldn't a SOHO version of any operating system permit such an owner to operate his/her computer as he/she wishes, instead of the way some Linux trained engineer desires?  (hint:  there's a hundred other distros available that operate in the traditional UNIX modus operandi). 

There's another way of addressing this issue:  Does VL-6 SOHO desire to be a BIG OFFICE NETWORK SERVER?  If the answer is no, then, one must inquire, why does the installer software, contrarily, yield to this SOHO person, the impression, that it is precisely this latter target population (and not the single, small entrepreneur) to which VL-6 SOHO is directed?

Regards, CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 10, 2010, 05:15:39 am
Perhaps because a "Small Office" doesn't always mean just one person?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 10, 2010, 05:53:33 am
and, perhaps, "personal" computer, i.e. PC, is a misnomer.

or not.

CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 10, 2010, 01:21:51 pm
I installed RC2.8 a short while ago. GUI installation went without a single hitch. With trepidation I set up a user while in the installer, fearful that the user might be numbered 1001 instead of the needed 1000. I trusted Vec's statement that the user installation seemed to be fixed in RC2.8. YES!! My user was 1000, just as desired. So that's one annoyance off the list.

As usual, I ran KDE just long enough to finish VASMCC setups, mount partitions, install LILO on a floppy disk, and run an update. There are several programs missing in SOHO that I like to use (Dillo, HardInfo, xpdf, fontforge, gqview, gxine, VLC), so I installed them with Gslapt. And most important of all, I installed XFce 4.6.1 as my desktop environment.

I'm still puzzled why old versions of Firefox and SeaMonkey are installed. The latest are no longer in testing, and since security issues have been the instigation for updated releases, I think they should be installed and not the old ones.

I haven't had a chance to do more testing, but I've finished installing *everything* so RC2.8 will be my main OS on the Celeron 1.3 GHz desktop until the next SOHO release. As is my custom, once I finished installing updates through Gslapt I logged out of X and into a console and renamed my home directory and copied my home directory from RC2. Saves a ton of time.

I'll report any problems I run into as I use RC2.8 more. If I can find the time, I'll also install it on my Athlon 64 X2 computer and see if it's similarly glitch free.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: toothandnail on May 10, 2010, 03:16:35 pm
Installer worked fine (though I was suprised to see the screen resolution selection before the GUI loaded - hasn't been seen for a while...).

Took a while - boot to first reboot was 40 minutes on a fast laptop.

UID problem is fixed. Thanks!

However, console keyboard is still wrong. I checked /etc/rc.d/rc.k which gives me this:

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~!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/loadkeys gb

Doesn't seem to work - I'm still getting US keyboard layout in console.

I'm also still having strange problems with localisation, but they seem to be a Konsole bug rather than anything else. If I export the correct locale:

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export LANG=en_GB.utf8
mc is then unusable in Konsole. All the box drawing characters become alphanumeric. If I run it in an xterm, it works fine. KDE devs strike again....

I also notice that we still end up with a ~/.bash_profile which reads like this:

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#LOCALES ADDITIOMS MADE BY THE VL GUI INSTALLER
export LANG=en_US
`setkbmpa -odel pc104 -layout gb`
#END OF MODIFICATIONS BY THE VL GUI INSTALLER

While en_US may be the only locale used by the installer, it is a long way from the only en_ locale, and adding that in this position is simply confusing. It should be left alone so that it can be properly (and globally) modified in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh

Other than that, the only other things I'm seeing so far are the standard KDE bugs. Gurnsey, anyone......

Paul.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 10, 2010, 08:39:20 pm
Just replaced the Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS with an ATI Radeon 4550 (I found a cheap one at NewEgg). I re-ran the installer which went well but the vlati package doesn't recognize the card so I ran the latest from ATI and no issues there. Loaded and started gkrellm (that vector made) and have not had any issues after doing all the stuff that I do. The next thing to try is hibernation as I never messed with the problems the nvidia has with tuxonice. I'll be back in a few minutes with the results.

Suspend works well as it did with the nvidia card but hibernate gives the same problem with the following:
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2010-05-10 22:45:11 TuxOnIce Detected TuxOnIce binary signature.
2010-05-10 22:45:11 === TuxOnIce ===
2010-05-10 22:45:11
2010-05-10 22:45:11 BIG FAT WARNING!! Device backed fs has been mounted rw prior to resume or initrd/ramfs is mounted rw.
2010-05-10 22:45:11
2010-05-10 22:45:11 If you want to use the current TuxOnIce image, reboot and try
2010-05-10 22:45:11 again with the same kernel that you hibernated from. If you want
2010-05-10 22:45:11 to forget that image, continue and the image will be erased.
2010-05-10 22:45:11 Press SPACE to reboot or C to continue booting with this kernel
2010-05-10 22:45:11
2010-05-10 22:45:11 Default action if you don't select one in 25 seconds is: continue booting.
2010-05-10 22:45:11 TuxOnIce Sanity check failed.
I guess I'll have to actually do some work on this...
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 10, 2010, 11:19:24 pm
In RC2 I had two printer drivers for my LJP2055dn:hpcups and hpii-something. In RC2.8 the only one is hpcups. I'm not happy with it because it prints graphics too dark and there is no adjustment. According to Gslapt I have hplip installed. Where is the driver that was in RC2? Or am I missing something?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: toothandnail on May 13, 2010, 02:07:42 pm
Found the problem with keyboard layout in console. Trouble is that the UK keyboard is identified differently in console and in X. In console, its uk, in X its gb. I don't think there is anything corresponding to 'gb' in console layouts.

I edited /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap, changed the 'gb' entry to 'uk'. Now, on boot, I have the correct UK keyboard layout in both console and X.

I'm not sure that any other locale has this split naming for keyboard layout. Also don't know if there is an easy way to get round the problem.

Paul.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: M0E-lnx on May 13, 2010, 02:19:04 pm
Yeah... Learn the keyboard layout codes ;)

Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: toothandnail on May 14, 2010, 04:23:36 am
Yeah... Learn the keyboard layout codes ;)



:)

However, I must repeat - an installer that can't get something as basic as keyboard layout right is at the very best, questionable. There is NO other distribution that has problems getting  that much of basic locale settings correct.

If that can't be fixed, I repeat (yet again), the GUI is pretty well worthless. You have got to be able to get the basic install correct!

I can fix it easily enough. A newbie will be completely lost, and if the newbie is lost, the GUI install is a waste of time and effort. Time and effort that would much better have been spent getting the rest of the distro up to date, or working on the 64-bit version, both things that Vector needs urgently.

The old TUI install correctly set keyboard settings. The VL6.0 install got keyboard layout correct (though that may have been done with the final text mode section - don't remember).  Surely it can be done for the new all-singing-all-dancing installer. If it can't, IMHO, the GUI installer is fatally flawed.

Paul.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: M0E-lnx on May 14, 2010, 05:49:53 am
Yeah... Learn the keyboard layout codes ;)




:)

However, I must repeat - an installer that can't get something as basic as keyboard layout right is at the very best, questionable. There is NO other distribution that has problems getting  that much of basic locale settings correct.

If that can't be fixed, I repeat (yet again), the GUI is pretty well worthless. You have got to be able to get the basic install correct!

I can fix it easily enough. A newbie will be completely lost, and if the newbie is lost, the GUI install is a waste of time and effort. Time and effort that would much better have been spent getting the rest of the distro up to date, or working on the 64-bit version, both things that Vector needs urgently.

The old TUI install correctly set keyboard settings. The VL6.0 install got keyboard layout correct (though that may have been done with the final text mode section - don't remember).  Surely it can be done for the new all-singing-all-dancing installer. If it can't, IMHO, the GUI installer is fatally flawed.

Paul.

Let's not forget that you are the ONE guy that complains about this. It's nice to see that you know what areas the distro needs help on, and yet all I hear is complain, complain, complain...
Why dont we try this?
submit a bug report to the installer project, telling us what you select for locale, keyboard model, and layout and also tell us what the end result is. After that, tell us what you change and where you changed it to get it right.


You are more than welcome to use older versions with the text installer or fix the text installer yourself to make it right.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 14, 2010, 06:22:40 am
Moe? Question.... In the VL6 Standard installer, I did find the option to pass extra options (as in rootdelay=10) during the installation process. This wasn't in the SOHO installer. Is there a way to put that back in?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: toothandnail on May 14, 2010, 06:36:46 am
Yeah... Learn the keyboard layout codes ;)




:)

However, I must repeat - an installer that can't get something as basic as keyboard layout right is at the very best, questionable. There is NO other distribution that has problems getting  that much of basic locale settings correct.

If that can't be fixed, I repeat (yet again), the GUI is pretty well worthless. You have got to be able to get the basic install correct!

I can fix it easily enough. A newbie will be completely lost, and if the newbie is lost, the GUI install is a waste of time and effort. Time and effort that would much better have been spent getting the rest of the distro up to date, or working on the 64-bit version, both things that Vector needs urgently.

The old TUI install correctly set keyboard settings. The VL6.0 install got keyboard layout correct (though that may have been done with the final text mode section - don't remember).  Surely it can be done for the new all-singing-all-dancing installer. If it can't, IMHO, the GUI installer is fatally flawed.

Paul.

Let's not forget that you are the ONE guy that complains about this. It's nice to see that you know what areas the distro needs help on, and yet all I hear is complain, complain, complain...

 ??? Oh, you don't like my response to a dismissive answer like "Yeah... Learn the keyboard layout codes ;)"?

As to my 'complaining', I was under the impression that a beta test involved testing and reporting problems. Which I have done, for all the good it does me.

Quote
Why dont we try this?
submit a bug report to the installer project, telling us what you select for locale, keyboard model, and layout and also tell us what the end result is. After that, tell us what you change and where you changed it to get it right.

I will do so. I was not aware that the bug tracker was still working, given that almost all discussion of problems has been in this area of the forum. Maybe that will get something other than dismissal of legitimate problems!

Quote
You are more than welcome to use older versions with the text installer or fix the text installer yourself to make it right.

I'm also more than welcome to find a distribution where basic flaws are fixed. Maybe its time I did just that. I'm getting more than a little tired of spending a great deal of my limited free time attempting to improve a distro which is unwilling  or unable to fix basic install flaws.

Paul.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: M0E-lnx on May 14, 2010, 06:48:26 am
@retired1af, Not sure what you mean, but if that was a boot option, it's nothing I did. I dont recall coding anything like that into the installer code.

@toothandnail
I'm getting more than a little tired of spending a great deal of my limited free time attempting to improve a distro which is unwilling  or unable to fix basic install flaws.

So, you should understand exactly how I feel when someone does nothing but complain about things and dont actually help the repair process. You have no idea what it takes to write something like this, so a little help would be greatly appreciated.
The installer is a separate project with it's own bugtracker. Check earlier release announcements, we gave it a bug tracker for a reason. I made it clear long ago that I wont be keeping up with bug threads. My time is very limited between RL, work and other (programming) projects.
I dont want this to get personal, I apologize if my responses were out of line, but you must understand where I'm coming from.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 14, 2010, 06:53:14 am
@retired1af, Not sure what you mean, but if that was a boot option, it's nothing I did. I dont recall coding anything like that into the installer code.


Hmmmmm. I'll see if I can get a screen shot of the installer later today. Another gorgeous day out today that's clamoring to get my "to-do" list finished.  :D
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 15, 2010, 10:22:53 am
I am in.
success at last.

Here's what happened: 
My 16 year old monitor died, whether of natural causes or my own errors is unconfirmed, nevertheless, the monitor is gone, replaced with a brand new monitor.

With it, in the boneyard for old parts, is (finally!) the 17 year old CDROM drive, once a true queen, now a piece of junk.

Those two changes made all the difference. How Puppy Linux could install with those two relics is a mystery to me....

VL 6 SOHO RC 2.8 is installed, and WORKS.  Thank you.  Thanks especially to Vec and nightflier, for lots of patience and helpful advice.

I was able to download VLC, and Konqueror, which is the only browser I can configure to accept VLC, maybe the others also permit such configuration, but I have not been able to figure out how.....(Opera, SeaMonkey)

Here are the times:

Computer is C8, ASRock Dual-880 Pro chip set (via) PIV "D", (dual core) 3.0 GHz, 1.0 GByte RAM, SATA hard drive, benchmarks:  13 GIPS, 11 GFLOPS, 4.77 GB/sec memory bandwidth, Video controller:  Nvidea GeForce 4 MX 440 AGP 8x.

Installation:  2 hours (due to lots of fumbling around, if I had known what to do, could have taken half that amount of time)
boot up:  100 seconds (for comparison, Win XP requires 35 seconds)
Browser:  Konqueror, start up, 4 seconds, (Win XP with Sea Monkey needs 6 seconds)
Play Audio:  VLC (handles all three modes !!!!, aaC+, mp3, OGG) 4 seconds, (same for XP)
Shut down: 21 seconds, (XP requires 10 seconds)  Typing "halt" from a command prompt, i.e. what Linux calls a "terminal", causes shutdown in just 11 seconds.

Problems:  1.  I could only configure Konqueror to work as I wish, i.e. with VLC, the other browsers, FireFox, Opera, SeaMonkey, just laughed at me.

2.  Though I struggled, mightily to find a method to permit automatic login it was NOT EASY.  Having at LAST succeeded, I was then disappointed to encounter an error message during the boot up process, which claimed that
"your login shell is not listed in /etc/shells"
Whoopdi do.
Who cares?
Not me.  I just want automatic login.  I have no interest in what seashells contains, or for that matter, any other UNIX jargon nonsense.  So, no automatic login, no further interest.

If I click on "automatic login", then, POINT FINAL.  END OF STORY.  I don't expect to encounter any more irritating crap, from the bloody operating system.

What surprises me, is how SLOW this KDE business operates.  Those times are comparable to results obtained with a cpu that runs three times slower, with half as  much memory, operating at a bandwidth ten times slower than this computer, but, the access time to the internet, and the time to commence playing music IS THE SAME.

I am also surprised at how terribly primitive this KDE functions.  For example:  hardware detection.  click on it:  boom, NOTHING happens.  nothing at all.  ("hardinfo")  There is no hardware detection.  click on icon for cpu information, NOTHING, nada.  Zilch.  Zero.

Why are we paying for this huge KDE overhead?  What is it providing?  I can't even login automatically.  VASM is useless for addressing these concerns.  Since I still cannot login automatically, despite intense fooling around, this distro joins the rest of the coasters, now a six inch thick pile of plastic.

With other, more attractive distros, one simply inserts the cdrom, and half an hour later, one is listening to VLC producing music.  The automatic login feature, selected at installation time, works right out of the gate.  No fussing about later, fiddling here, fiddling there......

With VL 6 SOHO RC 2.8, the installation is still just cruising along after 30 minutes, even with a dual core 3 GHz cpu driving the ship.  Amazingly inefficient.  It takes just as much time to install on this "relatively new" computer, as it does on a cpu that runs one third as fast, with half as much memory, i.e. one that is ten years old.

CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 15, 2010, 10:27:08 am
kcm_useraccount.so looks for multiple libraries with version 2.0 but all of them are version 2.1. After creating all the symlinks then it works.

A few keys on my keyboard don't work once VL loads. They work in my bios and XP and worked with rc2.0 (both 'down arrow' keys and 'end' although it works on the number pad). I'm not sure what to make of this and why it's happening.

After trying to hibernate (which fails as per my previous post) then suspend does not work as it only locks the screen. Rebooting does not correct this (reloading VL does as this is the limitations of my ability and time).

EDIT: Keyboard keys are working again. Not sure why or what changed over the past 45 minutes or what caused it in the first place. I hope it's not a fault KB.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 15, 2010, 01:13:52 pm
I've run into the arrow key issue myself, usually within a browser (Opera).
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 15, 2010, 01:45:13 pm
I keep having them work then not work. I haven't figured out what changes to cause it though. Right now they're not working.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: Daniel on May 15, 2010, 02:25:27 pm
Caieng, have you tried using the auto-login configuration thing in the KDE control center? I think it's somewhere in "User Accounts" or something like that.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 15, 2010, 03:08:37 pm
Quote from: Daniel
have you tried using the auto-login configuration thing in the KDE control center? I think it's somewhere in "User Accounts" or something like that.
Yes, thanks Daniel, sorry that my last post was too obscure.  Yes, I clicked on one of the control submenus, and found, after a lot of searching, the automatic login feature, and enabled it.

It was AFTER that invocation, and subsequent rebooting, that I encountered the irritating message, about my supposed failure to include my account in some mysterious file somewhere. 

Of course the user shouldn't be obliged to engage in all this silly business....
The user should be able to click once, on the option for automatic login, and then, that's it.  End of story.

But that's not how this distro works.

The best distro, for that feature, from my perspective, is Ubuntu, which asks the user DURING THE INSTALLATION, if they prefer automatic login, that is very easy, one click of the mouse, and finito.

I am still struggling to boot up VL 6 light live from last summer.  I have some hope for success, following nightflier's excellent recommendations on that thread, but as yet, nothing doing.

I am hoping that one of these days, maybe next summer, or next autumn, someone will release a VL distro that fulfills my two obligations:

a.  VLC media player already configured, ready to run out of the box, no user input required;
b.  automatic login, bypassing all the password stuff.

I seek to turn on the computer, and hear music from a streaming audio web site, with the fewest possible keystrokes required from the user.  Ideally, that would be a single stroke, following power on, the click of the mouse on the icon of choice:

http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html

Some folks think that the best way to accomplish that goal is to DELETE significant portions of the OS, removing all of the many unnecessary processes.  Others recommend instead, creating a new distro, from scratch.

I am just amazed that with HUNDREDS of existing distros out there, NO ONE SEEMS to have noticed that there is no distro that fulfills those two simple requirements (automatic login, VLC integrated with the browser) for those lost souls who seek to employ older computers as FM radio receivers, from the 50's!!!

Well, I guess most folks working on Linux weren't listening to FM radio in the 50's!!!  Haha.

Of the existing distros, Puppy is very good, but, uses Aqualung, not VLC.  Aqualung requires two extra keystrokes from the user.  A real pain.

The best distro, at present, in my opinion, for accomplishing what I seek, with old computers (and I have a lot of them), is CrunchBang Alpha, released about a month ago.  Now that I have destroyed my old monitor, and purchased a new one, Crunchbang, Ubuntu, and Debian suddenly appear with the proper screen resolution!!!  haha.  There was never anything wrong with my computers, it was the MONITOR that was preventing those distros from displaying anything but 800 x 600.  Hmm.  I wonder why Puppy worked, and they did not.  Oh well, one of the mysteries of life.

Back to VL 6, and my struggle to get VLC working, on VL 6 light, and then, to be able to boot in, without having to start up using the CDROM every time. 
Still, you must admit, that image, Norwegian Fog, is absolutely the all time best desktop image.  I keep it on, running on one computer, day and night, just from the cdrom, because I can't get it installed!!! It looks terrific, especially on a 47 inch LED display.  What a great photograph....

CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 15, 2010, 05:56:50 pm
If you want to open Web media files with VLC in Opera, go to the Tools menu, Preferences, Advanced, Downloads. Highlight the file types you want to change, do Edit, then select Open with Other Application and type in vlc. When you want to listen or view one of those file types, VLC should open and play the file. I'm not aware of a plugin for VLC in the VectorLinux repos; I don't know if a VLC plugin is available at all. It may have problems if there is one, which would explain why you haven't found a Linux browser that uses VLC for multimedia on the Web.

I've never heard of anyone having XP start and stop times that are anywhere near what you're reporting. While the XP desktop appears pretty fast, it's nowhere near ready to do much (or any) work with, as there is too much going on and too much disk activity. Many people report two minutes before disk activity stops and real work can begin. In Linux when the desktop appears, you can start working right away. My startup times for all my VectorLinuxes on my slow 1.3 GHz Celeron are 40 to 45 seconds and I can work immediately. Shutdown on all VectorLinuxes is about 10 seconds.

HardInfo is missing in VL6 SOHO. Install it through Gslapt. This shouldn't be necessary and I don't know why HardInfo is missing in SOHO and it shouldn't be if VASMCC has an icon to start it. But...if you want it it's easy enough to get it.

Having a 6-inch file of rejected CDs should tell you something. ;-)
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 15, 2010, 08:00:25 pm
I'm using Inkscape on SOHO RC2.8. The package is missing some python libraries needed in order to embed graphics in the document. These are pretty important libraries if you want to move documents among computers.

I installed a couple of python libraries through Gslapt but embedding is still not available. It works properly on my VL6 Light computer. I'm going to see what I have installed there and if I can spot what's missing in SOHO, I'll see if I can install them and get Inkscape working with embedding.

Running with XFce 4.6.1 as my desktop environment instead of KDE, I'm getting very good performance on this old 1.3 GHz Celeron. With KDE it is slower and less responsive.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: caieng on May 16, 2010, 05:15:21 am
Quote from: GrannyGeek
HardInfo is missing in VL6 SOHO. Install it through Gslapt.
Thanks, I will give it a try.  Strange how people work, eh?  Me, first thing I do, after a fresh install of Win xp, (something one must do quite frequently, I am sorry to write...) is to reinstall Sisoft Sandra.  I do that before anything else is configured.  I wouldn't know how to proceed without checking to make sure that all components are working correctly...  HardInfo is just an option here?  For my distribution, it would be an integral part of the OS, sitting right on the desktop post install.  I guess most Linux users are oriented to brand new gear, so they have no need to check out the functions of the older components.

Umm, is that also how you procured VLC, with "Gslapt"?  I must have missed it somehow, for when I looked, I could not find it.....

Quote from: GrannyGeek
If you want to open Web media files with VLC in Opera, go to the Tools menu, Preferences, Advanced, Downloads. Highlight the file types you want to change, do Edit, then select Open with Other Application and type in vlc.
I was fooling around with the new Puppy 5 last night, and accidentally discovered this method, which you kindly outlined.  Thanks for your help.  Unfortunately, VLC is not available for that distro, either--though at least Puppy 5 installs effortlessly, and requires no silly passwords to commence working....

Quote from: GrannyGeek
... which would explain why you haven't found a Linux browser that uses VLC for multimedia on the Web.
I think this is a misstatement on my part.  I should have clarified that it was VLC, not the browser, that holds my interest.  What I sought to convey was the notion that the user, upon clicking once on any icon from among the many choices at
http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html
would hear music, at once, without delay.  Some browsers work faster than others, to accomplish that task, in my experience.
here's some data:
computer:  C8, PIV "D" 3 GHz, 1 GB RAM, Nvidea video controller:  boot time:  46 seconds
OS:  XP SPII, all tests using VLC 1.05
browser..................browser onset time (seconds)......hear music (seconds)
Sea Monkey 2.04  .................6..................................7
Opera 10.53..........................7.................................6
Chrome................................4..................................6
Safari 4................................7.................................12

VL 6 SOHO RC2.8.......  no music, zero, nothing

CrunchBang 10 alpha (Xfce)
IceWeasel 3.5.8 (FireFox)........4..................................4

Quote from: GrannyGeek
Running with XFce 4.6.1 as my desktop environment instead of KDE, I'm getting very good performance on this old 1.3 GHz Celeron. With KDE it is slower and less responsive.

Here's the same CrunchBang distro data on two of my older, test computers
Trident PIII@1.4 GHz..............6...................................6
S3Savage4, PIII@1.1 GHz........6...................................6

Quote from: GrannyGeek
I've never heard of anyone having XP start and stop times that are anywhere near what you're reporting.
My times start with pushing the reset button, or power on button, and cease upon observing the disappearance of the hour glass.  It is difficult to know, especially with KDE, when the actual boot up is completed.  Is it when we hear the nice chime?  Is it when the infamous "akonadi server", whatever that is, has completed its task of issuing dire warnings?  I generally wait until after all the icons appear along the bottom of the screen, so that I can click on something and see immediate response.  I do wait ten or fifteen seconds, before starting up the browser with XP, so feel free to add another dozen seconds to the boot time.  Stop times on the other hand, are quite definitive.  When the power goes off, there is both an audible clunk, and extinction of a light right on the computer case.  Halt times are more useful in comparing operating systems, because off is off, there is no controversy over when an action has completed.  The computer is still on, until that light is extinguished.

regards, CAI ENG
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 18, 2010, 02:38:05 am
 ??? I'm having trouble booting into that pretty splash bootup that Dweeberkitty mentioned earlier.  I chose Vesa just like last time, however, upon boot up the screen blacks out then proceeds to a stricly text bootup with a black background, why? I missed the previous GUI/Text bootup. I'm falling asleep trying to find answers
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 18, 2010, 03:14:53 pm
The whole system just goes through some kinda freeze panic, just before you can set up user account and password, during install on the Toshiba NB205 netbook.  I chose Vesa for the 10.1 in" screen, but it won't get to desktop.  ???
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 18, 2010, 03:37:34 pm
Choose automatic and let the system decide what settings are best for the netbook.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 18, 2010, 05:40:42 pm
Thanks Retired1af.  Actually it turned out to be a 1024x600 setup in Vxconfig, but when I bootup the system it stops when trying to setup keymap.  From there I have to type startx in order for the boot process to proceed.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 19, 2010, 11:04:35 am
Still having issues, but It would help a lot if the installer numbered the amount of keys on each keyboard model selection. I believe the problem stems from the Toshiba NB205 having only 85 keys, which isn't supported by the installer. Also. there is no sound on this net book. The installer don't appear to be net book friendly.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: kc1di on May 19, 2010, 02:33:00 pm
Downloaded the images this afternoon and install went great no problems - only quirk is cd2 does not eject when told to reboot at end of install.

everything I've tried so far seems to works well.  even got google chrome installed and working.

Looking good here. will test more tonight.
Dave
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 20, 2010, 01:31:07 pm
I was able to use the Everex Stepnote... to proceed, it has 87 keys, which is close.  The installer still hangs after creating a root password. 
I get a nasty pause upon boot, prompting ... :

Probing EDD (edd=off to disable) ...ok
Undefined Video Mode: 31a

 ???
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 20, 2010, 05:10:40 pm
I think I need a kernel patch to get the sound speakers and wireless working. I think this kernel version of Linux is too old.  I see the 2.6.35 Kernel project have already commenced!
Vector ought to give the 2.6.33 kernel a try.
That with Slackware 13.1 and X ...1.8 might help resolve issues tremendously.
I know Btrfs is a dream away, but I'm looking forward to the Vector Soho VL7, already.
By the time I get a reply .... 
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 20, 2010, 05:33:27 pm
The installer hangs at System Administrator Account, after entering the password and hitting the button "next."
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: jpuhalski on May 22, 2010, 05:13:14 pm
I was having problems with the VL 6.0 Deluxe that I purchased.  someone from the forum, retired1af, suggested I try SOHO-RC2.8 and gave me the link.  It worked great.  thanks for the work in making the install so smooth.  So far everything is working fine.  I'm running it on an IBM Thinkpad T42, dual-boot.

Since this is still in testing could you suggest the best way to update, should I just use Gslapt normally?  I also notice there is a slapt-update-notifier, will it notify me when updates are available?   

I just want to make sure because I was fooling with slackware current one time and when I used installpkg to update I broke it, I found out I was using the wrong source for the updates.

thanks
john
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 22, 2010, 06:18:23 pm
Everything in the RC is fairly new, so there's no real need to update any of the core files. As we get new goodies into the repository, there's an announcement made, and if you wish to update then, all you need to do is use gslapt to upgrade the one file. :)
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 22, 2010, 07:04:15 pm
If you want to update everything that's updateable with Gslapt, be sure you DON'T have /testing enabled in the Sources (Edit menu, Preferences, Sources). Then click on the Update icon, which will get a list of packages currently in the repos. Click on Mark All Upgrades. If you want to see what's marked, hit F4 to see just the marked upgrades. Then click on Execute and Gslapt will download and install the upgrades and their dependencies.

For SOHO I'd suggest upgrading at least Firefox and SeaMonkey because for some reason SOHO includes older versions. I've commented on this before. Firefox and SeaMonkey upgrades include fixes for security issues and I can't see a reason for not including the current versions in the ISO.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: jpuhalski on May 22, 2010, 08:03:32 pm
ok, great, thanks for the replys.  I did notice that testing is not enabled in the sources.  there are 17 updates available.  I'll give it a try.

john
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 22, 2010, 09:13:05 pm
Testing should be used *with caution* and never enabled if you're doing a general system update. If you're not doing a system update, it's okay to have testing enabled so that you can see what's available. Often newer versions that people are looking for are in testing and you can help the whole process by installing what you want and seeing how it goes. Just be sure you realize that a package is in testing, which means it *might* cause some problems.

I routinely have testing enabled but I don't do system-wide updates of everything available and I always make sure I know where in the repo a package is coming from. If it's in testing, I make sure I have a good reason for giving it a try.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: prince on May 25, 2010, 04:12:36 pm
Disregard my previous post , the Toshiba 205 is a poorly developed design from it's inception.  It will be returned.  It's not worth Vector Linux precious time, nor mine.  If Intel refuses to work properly with Linux, then I will give up on Intel. It's just not worth the headache.  Next time it's AMD. 8) 
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 26, 2010, 02:35:06 pm
Well, here's a neat little trick I just tripped across!!!!!!

Mouse over the volume control in the notification area and scroll with your mouse wheel.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: Joe1962 on May 26, 2010, 02:54:15 pm
Well, here's a neat little trick I just tripped across!!!!!!

Mouse over the volume control in the notification area and scroll with your mouse wheel.
Heh! That's how I've done it for ages... ;D   Pretty cool, huh?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on May 26, 2010, 03:25:47 pm
I must have missed that particular memo.  ;D
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: MikeCindi on May 31, 2010, 10:01:47 am
While trying to perform some of my new repository maintenance duties I came across a potential problem. It would seem that setuptools in SOHO is built against python 2.5 but SOHO is distributed with python 2.6.

In my typically daily usage this would never be an issue but with new tasks comes new problems I guess.
Title: strigidaemon eaten up 100% CPU&RAM
Post by: vincent2 on June 06, 2010, 04:30:11 am
Bonjour!
tested RC2.8 again today on sharp mebuis laptop, once enter KDE desktop, noticing programmes running slowly and going to dummy from time to time,then Checked sytem monitor and found out:
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strigidaemon eaten up 100% CPU&RAM
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then suspended/killed it, desktop running smoothly again....

I wonder whether it's bugs or not, if not so necesary to system how to uninstall it..


a bien tot
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: lopanrs on June 16, 2010, 02:04:22 am
Hello, a tip about TuxOnIce on VL soho 6.0 RC 2.8:
I moved the line in /etc/rc.d/rc.S:
echo 1 > /sys/power/tuxonice/do_resume
from start after "Mounting local file systems" to start after
"Starting sysfs"
then it works fine with lzo and/or lzf compiled into kernel for compression.
Another question:
I cannot configure my keyboard (us-acentos) to work on KDE, it works fine in terminal and X with no window managers...but in KDE 4 it works only with KDE layout on, and when i open Konsole it turns back to "us" and i have to set it again with "setxkbmap us_intl". How can i setup my us_intl keyboard definetely in KDE 4 ?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: Joe1962 on June 16, 2010, 05:09:29 am
... and when i open Konsole it turns back to "us" and i have to set it again with "setxkbmap us_intl". How can i setup my us_intl keyboard definetely in KDE 4 ?
Dang! I was hoping that was fixed in the newer KDE version in RC 2.8, this is driving me mad on my SOHO B4 install. I have not found an answer to this... >:(
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: nightflier on June 16, 2010, 05:55:12 am
Not sure if this would apply to this version, but on VL7A1 I commented out the line with "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" in .bashrc and it prevents the keyboard map from changing when I open a konsole.
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: lopanrs on June 18, 2010, 04:27:21 am
Not sure if this would apply to this version, but on VL7A1 I commented out the line with "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" in .bashrc and it prevents the keyboard map from changing when I open a konsole.
Hello, i commented the line mentioned and made some changes on ~/.bash_profile to:

# LOCALES ADDITIONS MADE BY THE VL GUI INSTALLER
export LANG=pt_BR.utf8
`setxkbmap -model evdev -layout us -variant intl`
# END OF MODIFICATIONS BY THE VL GUI INSTALLER


Now US_INTL works on all aplications (and konsole) without KDE Layouts.
Thanks vectors !
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: retired1af on June 22, 2010, 06:47:11 pm
Something I've run in to, and haven't been able to find a work around, other than shutting one app down so the other can work.

If Opera is up and running and I view a video (like Youtube), then try to start Amarok, it states that the playback device isn't working. Reverse also results in a video without sound. If Amarok is running first, and then I attempt to view a video, there's no sound. Suggestions?
Title: Re: SOHO-RC2.8 is out please leave feedback and bug reports here
Post by: Dweeberkitty on June 23, 2010, 10:23:34 am
I think I am still on Beta2. Ignore this if it's already been fixed.

From VasmCC the vpackager app is not installed (command not found from cli output). And the same with vcpufreq.

Also running VasmCC from a terminal (as root of course) gslapt will not open from the menu.