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Title: [Solved] VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 27, 2010, 02:56:41 pm
I did a full installation VL 6 Standard dual boot with XP pro.
I followed the instructions here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl60/manuals/vl6_installation_guide_en.html
Everything went perfectly. I chose XP as a default boot.
I got to the VL installation is now complete and I reboot the computer. Then I did the hardware configuration. I chose default setting. And then I start VL. Now it stuck at "starting the system" screen. I have to hit the power button to turn off the computer.
Please help me? :-[.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: newt on May 27, 2010, 04:15:49 pm
I think (could be wrong) that you're freezing is happening at the time that X should start, which would indicate a probable display driver conflict.

Try choosing the 'linux-tui' option from the bootloader (i.e. lilo) and see if you can get to the login screen - you will be in a console only.  If you can get to this point then let us know and we can guide you to changing your display driver for something that will hopefully work better.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 27, 2010, 04:38:49 pm
I'm 100% brand new to linux. How do I choose linux-tui?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: newt on May 27, 2010, 05:42:40 pm
When your system boots do you see a screen where can choose between VL and Windows XP? If you do then this is the bootloader screen (i.e. lilo).  By default, VL Standard will create a boot option for itself 'linux' as well as a fail-safe text boot option (linux-tui), and in your case you should see another 'WindowsXP' option. Do you see these options on the bootloader screen?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 27, 2010, 05:50:51 pm
I only see:
Windows XP
Vector Linux
As soon as I choose VL, it goes to load screen.
I don't see fail-safe text boot option (linux-tui) when I reboot the computer?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: roarde on May 27, 2010, 06:14:22 pm
linux-tui might not be in your menu. It is there normally, but you might have unchecked that option.
Or you might have chosen something that disables the wait period. With no wait, there's zero time to choose anything.

This probably won't work, but try it:  When it hangs, press Ctrl-Alt-F3 .  It might get you a text screen. If it does, someone may be able to help more.

Did you use the graphical GUI installer, or the text-based one? That info would help.
Edit: I see from the other post you used the GUI, right?

Luck.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 27, 2010, 06:20:27 pm
Ctrl-Alt-F3 did not work.
I used GUI installer.
Now it stuck at Going to mutiluser GUI mode...
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: roarde on May 27, 2010, 07:45:44 pm
It looks like default for the GUI installer is to not include the linux-tui option. That can be fixed if we can get a usable screen and keyboard.

Try Ctrl-Alt-F3 again, but tap F3 twice.

Didn't work?

OK, as soon as it says "Going to multiuser GUI mode ...", hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace five times. Release all keys each time you hit them. The screen won't change; but wait 10 seconds and try Ctrl-Alt-F3 again (hold Ctrl-Alt and tap F3 twice). You might get a text screen, and we can go from there. By "we" I mean someone. I have to sleep now, but will check in when I can. You'll probably have someone better to help by then.

No text screen? You may want to start over and be sure to include linux-tui.
See http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/windualboot/dualbootwin.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/windualboot/dualbootwin.htm)

Also, choose VESA for video and start with resolution 1024x768. This should get basic graphics working. Once that happens, the resolution and the driver can be changed.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 27, 2010, 10:01:04 pm
Hello,
I just start over. This time, it has linux-tui at boot up. I chose VESA at hardware configuration.
The problem is the same. It just stops at "starting the system" screen.
Windows XP works well.
Please tell me what I need to do next?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: stretchedthin on May 27, 2010, 11:53:14 pm
Here is a vxconf trouble shooting tut, hope it helps.
Using vxconf to adjust xorg.conf the Video conf file. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/vxconf/vxconf.htm)
This also may be of help.
4 ways to enter the text user interface. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/terminal/tui/tui.htm)

and also this one.  It shows how to find and get to the xorg.conf file with nano from the text user interface. It may be a way you can let us know what is going on in there.  You may also try experimenting with lower resolutions or try going with a Default Color depth of 16 rather than 24
Editing text/conf files with nano (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/terminal/nano/nano.htm)
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 28, 2010, 01:07:20 am
I start the linux-tui. When I get to the login. The keyboard does not respond :'(.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: nightflier on May 28, 2010, 04:09:28 am
Try to select linux-tui, then press the Tab key. This will allow you to edit the startup commands. Change "vga=XXX" to "vga=normal" and press enter to boot.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: roarde on May 28, 2010, 05:27:32 am
Are you able to type the username, but not the password? Or it will not accept any input at all?

Hint for other helpers: Didn't I see something about problems with older VESA, starting with 6.0, in some thread? I can't find it now.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 28, 2010, 10:47:21 am
Hello,
As soon as it shows: "Vector login". The keyboard stops responding.
I also did try press the Tab key. But I don't see where I can change "vga=XXX" to "vga=normal"?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: retired1af on May 28, 2010, 11:19:27 am
You do that at the boot screen where you select the boot option.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: nightflier on May 28, 2010, 11:25:01 am
I should have said: select linux-tui with the up/down arrow keys, then press Tab
Screen should blink a little and bring up an editable line.
Make sure there is a space after "linux-tui" then type vga=normal and press Enter.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 28, 2010, 11:38:54 am
I highlight linux-tui, then press the Tab key.
boot: VectorLinux-tui vga=normal
It happens the same. When I get to the login. The keyboard does not respond.
I have tried 2 keyboards.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: nightflier on May 28, 2010, 12:37:11 pm
Running out of ideas here.. how about letting it boot to login screen, then hitting Ctrl-Alt-F2, then try to log in?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: newt on May 28, 2010, 03:57:30 pm
Another long shot.... once you reach the login screen, try unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in. If that doesn't work and it's a USB keyboard, try plugging it into a different USB port. If you've only been trying PS/2 keyboards, and you have a usb keyboard to try then give it a try to see if it works.

My only other idea is to ensure that your install CD is 100%.

To see if the CD is 100% then you would boot from cd and at the 'boot:' prompt you would type 'linux' without the quotes.  This will load the text user interface installer (TUI installer) at which point you'll choose: Start, Install, Check, and then using the spacebar put an 'X' next to each option and then hit Enter. This will start the process of ensuring that all installable data on the disc is correct. The process will take many minutes and will provide a message indicating if there are any problems with the disc. If no problems are found then the installer will start walking you through a new install starting with choosing a 'Swap Partition'. If you do not want to reinstall using the TUI installer then just use the right arrow to choose 'Cancel', after which you can 'Exit' the installation.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: joel2007 on May 28, 2010, 05:41:30 pm
Hello,
I know what cause the problem. It's the Encore 802.11g PCI wireless adapter with RTL8185L chip.
I just took it out. I can login now :).
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I know I have been bother you guys last 2 days. Is it possible to make the wireless adapter works with VL?
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: roarde on May 28, 2010, 06:17:07 pm
Networking is my weakest point, but I did find this: http://gajon.org/installing-realtek-rtl8185-wireless-card/ (http://gajon.org/installing-realtek-rtl8185-wireless-card/)
If it works in Slackware, it will probably work in Vector, but don't go to that much trouble yet. Wait for someone who's better with networking and wireless drivers in Vector to respond. There's probably an easier and more compatible way.

There just aren't many new users who have the patience you do. The Vector Team (as in not me) keeps changing things so the patience is less needed. In the meantime, helping someone who has the interest and patience you do is a joy and an education; the opposite of a bother. Thank you.
Title: Re: VL freeze at "starting the system" screen
Post by: nightflier on May 28, 2010, 06:50:09 pm
Nice job figuring it out.  :)

At this point, it would be good to edit your first post, and add [solved] to the title.

Next, start a new thread in the hardware and driver section about your network adapter.
Describe the problem in as much detail as possible and be prepared for some trial and error.