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The nuts and bolts => Installation & Updates => Topic started by: warpman on April 10, 2011, 10:54:07 pm

Title: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 10, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
Hi guys. I used to use VL a while back and now I'm planning to come back to it. I have a couple of questions:

1. Which version of VL should I download?

2. I would like to install Enlightenment only and not KDE or GNOME. Or maybe install KDE for a while until I get everything working under Enlightenment. Are there any packages available to do this or do I have to install everything from the Enlightenment website?

I am currently running Slackware and Ubuntu.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 12, 2011, 06:52:33 pm
OK... so I went ahead and loaded and install VL 6.0 light and install it on a virtual machine running VirtualBox. The only issue I had at the beginning was with the mouse but after I install the VirtualBox additions everything is working just fine. At this moment so far so good.
Next step? Download and install Enlightenment. I will keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: Andy Price on April 12, 2011, 07:09:17 pm
Yep, please post back and report on how you get on. I don't know if other people have already done what you are doing, but the lack of replies suggests it's not common.
Andy
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: monfen on April 13, 2011, 12:30:50 pm
http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/vectorlinux/veclinux-7.0/testing/ap/ - There are the testing packages of Enlightenment for VL 7.0 if you need them.
I think Enlightenment will get more and more popularity in the following years - it has great and unique features while using very low resources.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 15, 2011, 06:52:24 pm
OK... so I went ahead and downloaded the enlightenment files from GARR's Networks but I couldn't install the .txz files. I don't know how to install those files. So, now I'm going to try to install the files from SlacksBuilds.org. I will post my results later on.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: monfen on April 15, 2011, 10:40:13 pm
OK... so I went ahead and downloaded the enlightenment files from GARR's Networks but I couldn't install the .txz files. I don't know how to install those files. So, now I'm going to try to install the files from SlacksBuilds.org. I will post my results later on.

Try to download all the required .txz packages for Enlightenment in some folder, then start the console from that location and write in it installpkg *.txz - this should work for you.
Or add this source http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/vectorlinux/veclinux-7.0/testing/ to the gslapt package manager, activate it, refresh the information from the sources and make query for enlightenment in the search box.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 16, 2011, 12:19:18 pm
OK... so I went ahead and downloaded the enlightenment files from GARR's Networks but I couldn't install the .txz files. I don't know how to install those files. So, now I'm going to try to install the files from SlacksBuilds.org. I will post my results later on.

Try to download all the required .txz packages for Enlightenment in some folder, then start the console from that location and write in it installpkg *.txz - this should work for you.
Or add this source http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/vectorlinux/veclinux-7.0/testing/ to the gslapt package manager, activate it, refresh the information from the sources and make query for enlightenment in the search box.

No go... I get the following message: Cannot install packagename because the file does not end in .tgz, .tlz, .tbz or .tar.
I have try the command that you mention before and it gave me the same message. I will keep on trying. Thanks for you help.

Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: InTheWoods on April 16, 2011, 02:40:33 pm
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I went ahead and loaded and install VL 6.0 light

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There are the testing packages of Enlightenment for VL 7.0

I don't know for sure but I am betting packages made for VL 7.0 will not work on VL 6.0 light.

Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 16, 2011, 10:39:14 pm
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I went ahead and loaded and install VL 6.0 light

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There are the testing packages of Enlightenment for VL 7.0

I don't know for sure but I am betting packages made for VL 7.0 will not work on VL 6.0 light.


I think you're right. The question is how or where do I download VL 7 light? or do I have to download the standard version? I don't see VL 7 under the download area.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: hata_ph on April 17, 2011, 01:05:54 am
VL7 is still in beta/rc stage.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 17, 2011, 01:31:26 pm
VL7 is still in beta/rc stage.
That is what I thought. Thanks for the info. I guess I have to keep working on the slackbuilds.org packages. Thanks for the info.

I have another question, how do I determine if my computer already have the requirement? Is there like a command to identify the packages? I guess I can always use gslapt to see which packages are installed.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: GrannyGeek on April 17, 2011, 01:40:14 pm
I have another question, how do I determine if my computer already have the requirement? Is there like a command to identify the packages? I guess I can always use gslapt to see which packages are installed.

I often look in /var/log/packages. There is a lot of information in those files, not just what is installed, but where things went.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on April 18, 2011, 09:32:15 pm
I have another question, how do I determine if my computer already have the requirement? Is there like a command to identify the packages? I guess I can always use gslapt to see which packages are installed.

I often look in /var/log/packages. There is a lot of information in those files, not just what is installed, but where things went.
--GrannyGeek

Good idea GrannyGeek. Thanks.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: pierce.jason on August 23, 2011, 10:28:43 am
There are new E17 packages going into the 7.0 Testing repositories.

The primary problem you had with installing them before, is that you need newer package management software inorder to handle the new txz file extension. To add support for TXZ to 6.0, checkout this thread http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=12771.msg79489#msg79489 (http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=12771.msg79489#msg79489). You won't have to do the whole list of steps since you don't want newer kernel, these are the ones of most interest to you:
# slapt-get --install xz
# xz -cd pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.txz | lzma > pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.tlz
# installpkg pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.tlz
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: Colonel Panic on August 23, 2011, 12:53:17 pm
Don't know if this helps, but I installed Enlightenment using the SlackE17 package. It's only one package to think about;

http://sourceforge.net/projects/slacke17/files/slacke17/r59882/

It's for Slackware 13; there used to be a Slackware 12 package (which would work in Vector 6) but I don't know where it is.

CP.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on October 24, 2011, 09:34:40 pm
There are new E17 packages going into the 7.0 Testing repositories.

The primary problem you had with installing them before, is that you need newer package management software inorder to handle the new txz file extension. To add support for TXZ to 6.0, checkout this thread http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=12771.msg79489#msg79489 (http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=12771.msg79489#msg79489). You won't have to do the whole list of steps since you don't want newer kernel, these are the ones of most interest to you:
# slapt-get --install xz
# xz -cd pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.txz | lzma > pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.tlz
# installpkg pkgtools-tukaani-1.2.5-i586-1vl60.tlz

Pierce.jason, I was wondering if you could give me a hand with the commands that you mention. I try running them but on the second one I get a message about a directory was not found. Am I missing something here?
Any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on October 25, 2011, 09:55:11 pm
So, I was finally able to install pkgtools-tukaani on VL6.0 Lite. After I did this I downloaded and upgrade Firefox to version 7 and now firefox doesn't start.
After this I decided to download and install opera version 11, I think, but that doesn't start either! I guess I'm in trouble now. The only browser available that I have at this moment is Dillo which is not the greatest browser.
Any help with these issues would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: nightflier on October 26, 2011, 07:11:49 am
Start by launching firefox from a terminal window and see if it gives a reason why it won't launch.

Second option; delete or rename your ~/.mozilla directory and try again.

If neither of the above work, try the official binaries from Mozilla. Their download is a self-contained build of the browser, you can just extract it and run the firefox executable without removing your existing installation.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: pierce.jason on October 26, 2011, 03:58:29 pm
Chances are you have installed a version of firefox that is compiled against too new of libraries for your system. When using repos that are not intended for your release, you must be careful and selective in what you install.

To downgrade firefox and opera, try the downgrade commands here http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl60/manuals/vl6_slaptget_en.html#othermenus

This considered, enlightenment from 7 might have the same issue.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on October 26, 2011, 08:20:50 pm
Chances are you have installed a version of firefox that is compiled against too new of libraries for your system. When using repos that are not intended for your release, you must be careful and selective in what you install.

To downgrade firefox and opera, try the downgrade commands here http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl60/manuals/vl6_slaptget_en.html#othermenus

This considered, enlightenment from 7 might have the same issue.
nightflier, the message I get from Opera is Illegal instructions. The message I get with Firefox is: Couldn't load XPCOM.

Pierce.Jason, so what you are saying is that I cannot upgrade the browsers to the latest version under VL6? I have to wait until VL7? It doesn't make sense why...
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: hata_ph on October 26, 2011, 09:22:29 pm
VL6 is a 2 - 3 year old product which still using some old library that some latest browser like Firefox are not compatible with it. You can update the library one by one but will be a troublesome work and may break your current OS. I would recommend use VL7.  ;D
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: retired1af on October 27, 2011, 06:17:51 am
Pierce.Jason, so what you are saying is that I cannot upgrade the browsers to the latest version under VL6? I have to wait until VL7? It doesn't make sense why...


You should be able to. I'm running FF 7.01 on SOHO 6 with no issues at all.

Here's what I did. I nuked the existing 3.6 package and downloaded the tar ball from Firefox. I then installed FF to /usr/lib/firefox7-01, updated the firefox symlink in /usr/lib, and then created a new menu item pointing to /usr/lib/firefox. Works just fine.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 27, 2011, 07:48:07 am
I'm using the latest Firefox. SeaMonkey, and Opera on VL6 Light on my laptop. No problems. I install the Slackware download for Opera and the self-contained binaries from Mozilla for FF and SM. I put those in /opt.

Flash current versions haven't worked in Opera for quite a while but the latest Flash works fine in FF and SM. This is in Light. No problems in Vl7.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: pierce.jason on October 27, 2011, 02:38:05 pm

Pierce.Jason, so what you are saying is that I cannot upgrade the browsers to the latest version under VL6? I have to wait until VL7? It doesn't make sense why...


What I'm saying is that since you are on an older 6.0 system, you will likely run into problems with many applications from the VL7 repositories. Many of these applications have been compiled against different libraries than what you have on your system.

You can get firefox updates from firefox website in either source format to compile yourself or in binary format. The same is likely true with Opera. Alternatively you can put in a package update request on the Package Request board (http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?board=35.0).

However for the case of firefox in 6.0, I believe it is the intent to stick with one of the older branches and only do maintenance update packages for it. Ie 3.5.X where only the .X part gets updates.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on October 31, 2011, 07:13:55 pm
I'm using the latest Firefox. SeaMonkey, and Opera on VL6 Light on my laptop. No problems. I install the Slackware download for Opera and the self-contained binaries from Mozilla for FF and SM. I put those in /opt.

Flash current versions haven't worked in Opera for quite a while but the latest Flash works fine in FF and SM. This is in Light. No problems in Vl7.
--GrannyGeek
GrannyGeek, how do you get to install FF? I cannot seem to be able to get it going. I get the following message:

Illegal instruction

How do I determine if I have all the packages that it needs?

Any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 01, 2011, 08:07:47 am
GrannyGeek, how do you get to install FF? I cannot seem to be able to get it going. I get the following message:

Illegal instruction

How do I determine if I have all the packages that it needs?

Any info would be appreciated.


I go to mozilla.org and click on Firefox--Free Download. As root I move the firefox-7.0.1.tar.bz2 to /opt. Then with Midnight Commander I highlight the file and select F2 (Unpack selected file). It expands into a directory that should have just about everything Firefox needs. I run ldconfig to make sure any new libraries are added to what the system is aware of. Then as user I run the firefox executable file in the new directory from a terminal and note any error messages. If things are working, I make a symlink in usr/bin to the firefox executable. Plugins are in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and you usually don't need to touch those unless you are updating Flash.

Some error messages are either bogus or don't matter. If the program runs, that's all that counts unless it turns out to crash a lot. I haven't had to deal with that. I guess I'd go back to a version that didn't crash.

Remember that if you're running the executable in its own directory, you must type
./firefox
and not just
firefox.

I'm at VL7 RC3.4 as I type this but I'm pretty sure that's what I do in VL6 Light. I use VL6 Light every day because it's on my laptop and I do most of my Web visits, forums, and e-mail on my laptop while I watch TV in the evening. My VL6 Light is quite elderly now. I do use kernel something.31.8, I think, not the kernel that came with VL6 originally. I got the newer kernel from our repos. I haven't done any other major library updates and don't think there's anything particularly special about my VL6 Light.

I wish I could be more precise. When I turn on the laptop tonight I need to install a new SeaMonkey, which is done exactly the same way. I'll make sure I didn't leave out a step in what I wrote above.

To be clear, you're not using a VL package for Firefox and SeaMonkey. You're using the self-contained binary file you download from Mozilla.org. It should be independent of any distro.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL and Enlightenment
Post by: warpman on November 01, 2011, 09:16:13 pm
GrannyGeek, Thanks for the info. I already tried all the steps that you have mention and I keep on getting the same message... Illegal Instruction when I run the ./firefox file.

I have no idea what else I'm missing... any ideas?