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The nuts and bolts => Technical General => Topic started by: haywire on April 20, 2011, 08:53:18 pm

Title: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 20, 2011, 08:53:18 pm
I'm going to again attempt a respin of vector live light. I tried before and was "almost" successful but didn't have the time to work on it.

Lately I have some more time so I wanted to give it another go.

I'm not sure all I wanted to include will fit on a dvd-r when I'm finished, so can someone tell me what can be cut from the install iso? 736 megs or so seems like alot of space for what vl light comes with. I considered a smaller footprint distro as a starting point but since I've been using vector for years I'm much more comfortable using this. 

With XFCE, seems like it takes about 48-64 megs to load/run, this is great, especially for older pcs.

The respin is intended to be for creative types and include alot of multimedia apps and so on for video, graphics and audio.

Any ideas, advice or suggestions, I'm all ears. This is going to take awhile I think... Right now I'm installing virtualbox on my windows box and will be working on this in that until I assemble a spare pc for this.

Steven


Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 21, 2011, 08:31:33 am
Well I learned alot so far...

1) Virtualbox is VERY slow at generating an iso. Painfully slow, takes hours on my quad core windows pc. Time for a real dedicated computer to work on this on.

2) Once you have your system installed to hard drive and set up everything, install software and so on, making a new iso is fairly straightforward.
I really like this because I can make my perfect u/i, set of programs, panels, everything I want and have a ready to install backup that is already perfectly set up to my liking. Thats awesome. Even if I just use this for myself, its fantastic.

3) I have alot of work to do still, but now I know how this works... Made 2 tests of isos so far, but I'm no where near done the modding/setup and software install. There will probably be alot of trial and error for awhile until I get things right, but I can keep modding till its right.

Steven




Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: monfen on April 21, 2011, 11:09:09 am
Your project is interesting to me, keep posting development results. Good luck with your work.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 06:38:33 am
Its certainly been a learning experience so far. I'm enjoying this tremendously.

Can anyone help with me some questions? After I've made the first couple of test isos I realized I may need to be deleting the whole tmp folder before I make more changes and making a new iso. I'd like to save the isos as I go, so if I dork something up I can return to the last previous good iso and keep working...

So should I delete the entire tmp folder between making each iso?

Thanks,

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 22, 2011, 07:38:15 am
Do not delete /tmp. You can clean it out though. Each respin creates a new folder in there and they quickly gobble up space.

If you increment the name of each ISO, you can keep a copy of each.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 07:56:42 am
Nightflier,

So I move the iso out of tmp, delete the stuff in tmp but leave the folders?

I'm a bit confused on this.

Thanks for your tremendous work on vl-light, its awesome!

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 08:04:33 am
Nightflier,

to clarify, in my tmp director is folders :

.ICE-unix which is very little space.

.X11-unix which is very little space.

gku-v06kku - which is locked?

live_date_4718 - which is apparently 1.5 gigs?

ssh-kbvWav4101 which is very little space

There also is a bunch of misc small files in the root of tmp, should I leave those or delete them.

I think I just delete live_data_4718 each time, is that right?

And yes I'm adding going up in #'s as I make each iso vl1.iso vl2.iso and so on... Thanks!

And another stupid question, making each iso is taking hours and hours and hours on virtualbox in windows,
please tell me this is much faster on a real machine? :)

Steven


Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 22, 2011, 09:07:56 am
Yes, it's those live_data_xxxx folders that you need to keep deleting. Don't move the completed ISO to anywhere else in the file system of the installed VL Live. You don't want that to become part of the next ISO. Put it on a USB stick or on the Windows file system.

Creating an ISO does take some time, but should be less than an hour on a reasonably fast machine (P4 or better).
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 09:11:32 am
Nightflier,

I just realized that on my quad core pc, virtualbox was only giving the vl-light virtual machine one processor. I'm going to push it up to 4 and see if that speeds things along.

The video is also annoying me, 1024x768 on a widescreen monitor sucks. Gonna try and fix that after this last iso finishes, 2 hours and counting...

I'll probably be starting over from scratch now that I know a little more about this.

Its actually alot easier than I thought this was going to be. You made the process easy to do so thank you for that!

Steven





Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 22, 2011, 10:19:09 am
Its actually alot easier than I thought this was going to be. You made the process easy to do so thank you for that!

I just did what you're doing now. :) The bulk of the credit goes to the creators of the linux-live scripts: http://www.linux-live.org/ , Joe1962 and uelsk8s, who made the live capable kernel and packaged the live scripts. This is the beauty of the free software model; we can re-use, modify and add to previous work. You can see far when you're standing on the shoulders of giants.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 12:28:02 pm
Nightflier,

Your absolutely right, thats the beauty of open software. I'll be sure to thank everyone on my respin. Its coming along, just painfully slow in virtualbox. Apparently, you can only use one processor in current virtualbox. I hope to get an extra machine setup soon to work on this with.

Looks like I should be able to cram everything I want on one dvd-R which is great, but its tough deciding what to cut to fit everything in.

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: pierce.jason on April 22, 2011, 12:48:00 pm
There's a few things you mentioned that have me confused. You say VL Light, but then you mention XFCE. Light came without XFCE but had JWM and IceWM. Then you mention 736MB, but I'm seeing VL6.0-Light-LIVE-Final.iso at 644MB and VL6.0-Light-Final.iso at just 617.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 22, 2011, 06:02:42 pm
Steven is using Light as a base for his own version and adding his favorites to it. That is very much what it was intended for, glad to see it being put to use.  :)

As far as size goes, the reason Light is not "small", is because below the lightweight UI is a full Linux install with all the libs and dev tools. Since our repo is not as extensive as those of the Big Boys, it is important that you have the ability to build your own packages.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 22, 2011, 07:57:13 pm
Your right I don't know where I got 736 at. I'm using vl-light live final which clocks in at 644 megs.

And yes, I'm using xfce as my default window manager.

I figured it included all the developer tools and thats why it was so big. Its cool as it is because when I'm done, my repsin will be on dvd-r and clock in somewhere around 4+ gigs.

I borked something good today and my hard drive install would no longer start,so I am restarting again tomorrow from my last good iso. At this rate, I'm probably a few weeks (or months hahaha) from a finished project.

I hope some of you will help be build and install some things not included in our repository. I already installed a few things that were not in our repositories. I hope I can include alot more stuff thats out there than just the stuff we already have in our repos.

Steven


Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 23, 2011, 03:54:32 am
Nightflier,

I forgot to ask but how can I set xfce as the default window manager and set it to autologin to the default user with xfce if I want to leave the others?

Thanks,

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 23, 2011, 05:56:10 am
Light Live default is to auto-login user vl. To change DE, it should only be necessary to log out, select XFCE and log back in (password: vector).
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 23, 2011, 08:47:41 am
And what if I deleted that user and wanted to remove jwm and the other window managers? How can I fix the auto-login to a different user?

Sorry - DOH!

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 24, 2011, 05:15:47 am
Check the menu under System, look for "KDM Setup". Or, run command "/sbin/vkdmconf".
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 25, 2011, 06:56:04 am
Nightflier, Thanks that did it...

Now I have another problem with the hard drive install I am working on...
Vector starts booting, you get the blue screen with the blank progress indicator and it seems to hang there. If I hit escape it starts booting.

Any idea whats causing that or how to fix it? I think I may scream and pull all my hair out if I have to start all over again. I'm about 50% done the respin I'd say, maybe more.

Best regards,

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 25, 2011, 07:36:34 am
Try running vliloconf and select standard (text only) instead of the splash screen, reboot and look for clues in the startup messages.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 25, 2011, 08:29:12 am
Unless I'm retarted, I don't have a vliloconf command installed, won't run from terminal or run, where do I find this?

Sorry to be a PITA, but your right if I switch to text only boot I should be able to see whats hanging.

Steven
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 25, 2011, 08:36:20 am
Not at home right now, so working from memory: Run vasm > super and look for it, think it is under filesystem.

The file is in /sbin and you need to be root to run it.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: haywire on April 26, 2011, 01:09:40 am
Hey Nightflier,

Yeah setting for text only I could see its hanging on USB. This appears to be an issue with virtualbox and some kind of funky usb driver virtualbox uses.

Burn an iso, works fine on a regular computer, so I set it back to gui and autologin. I'll just hit escape in virtualbox I suppose till I'm done with the respin, then I plan on installing the respin on a real pc. Thanks for all your help so far.

Next up : Installing the amiga emulator, atari st emulator and more... Then customizing user interface and burning a new iso.

I would like to customize the boot screens and stuff as well. Almost there...

Steven


Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: nightflier on April 29, 2011, 08:46:40 am
Apparently, you can only use one processor in current virtualbox.

I have VB 4.0.6 on my VL6 machine and it supports multiple CPUs. It has to be done on the command line though. Check the Help Contents, look for CPU hot-plugging.
Title: Re: vector live light respin.
Post by: M0E-lnx on April 29, 2011, 10:22:03 am
Apparently, you can only use one processor in current virtualbox.

I have VB 4.0.6 on my VL6 machine and it supports multiple CPUs. It has to be done on the command line though. Check the Help Contents, look for CPU hot-plugging.
If your CPU supports virtualization it should be able to do multiple from the GUI