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Title: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Lyn on May 15, 2011, 04:25:19 am
I it would be really nice if an updated IceWM with the excellent modifications as seen in the 6.0 Vector light could be added to the 7.0 repositories...
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on May 15, 2011, 05:27:20 am
Testing in progress. Not sure about the new version of PCManFM, may just stick with 0.5.x. Thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Lyn on May 15, 2011, 02:28:31 pm
If there are issues with the latest PCManFM then stick with 0.5.x

It seems a shame in a way with the work people have done with the look and feel for XFCE for Vector 7.0 standard but I do like IceWM
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: scififry on May 17, 2011, 06:26:17 am
Yes, i can only agree to Lyn. I'm using VL 6.0 Light and also like the design of IceWM the most. Tried the 7.0beta2 and also didn't like the look of XFCE.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: M0E-lnx on May 17, 2011, 06:31:46 am
Tried the 7.0beta2 and also didn't like the look of XFCE.
You're not the only one ;)
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: scififry on May 17, 2011, 11:30:18 am
;) Oh...
The only thing I like on Xfce more is the Linux-classical black mouse pointer. The white one of IceWM reminds me always a bit of the one of the operating system most of us hate so much.

That always interested me, is the mouse pointer just an image file (.png, .gif, or something like that) which is moving to the movement of the mouse?
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: M0E-lnx on May 17, 2011, 12:44:04 pm

is the mouse pointer just an image file (.png, .gif, or something like that) which is moving to the movement of the mouse?
It is a theme composed of several images.

Look at the contents of /usr/share/icons/whiteglass/cursors for example.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: pierce.jason on June 17, 2011, 11:11:12 pm
Testing in progress. Not sure about the new version of PCManFM, may just stick with 0.5.x. Thoughts on that?

I'm using pcmanfm 0.9.8 from the vl7 repos. Seems to work ok for me, but I don't use alot of features that others might.

What problems do you foresee with the newer versions of PCManFM?
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 18, 2011, 06:39:06 pm
In some ways I prefer PCManFM to Thunar, so I've installed PCManFM in my VL7 Standard RC1 desktop computers. It's the version that's in the VL7 repo. I haven't had any problems.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on June 19, 2011, 11:11:55 am
Pcmanfm 0.9.x seems to be much more integrated with LXDE components than 0.5.x is. It has more dependencies, including gvfs. This adds functionality, of course. Features like samba browsing support and trash can would probably be valued by less savvy users, but I'm wary of "feature creep". Those who want more automation would be better off with VL Standard.

Comments and suggestions?
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: pierce.jason on June 19, 2011, 09:20:31 pm
I've been using pcmanfm with GVFS on other systems for quite a while now it seems. I'm always super-critical of extended dependency trees, but did not have any hesitation with utilizing GVFS.

However after you mentioned it, I did a quick search and it seems that GVFS can be used "optionally". I read that if the library is not present on the system, that pcmanfm will silently drop those features from usage.

While very uncommon, there's a few filesystems-access-types that are almost exclusive to GVFS. I've recently dealt with a cellular phone's network filesystem that strictly needed GVFS to access. No commandline or low-level  access tools available for it. This was actually why I switched to the pre-release 0.9x branch some time ago. Even though I never got the cell thing working, I stuck with 0.9x and have no regrets. I even continue to use it to manage my desktop icons/background.

OTOH, I _HATE__HATE__HATE_ file manager trash cans. Every rare once in a while I'll think, oops I shouldn't have deleted that and of course I don't have atrash can in that case. But multiple times a week I'll think about my dislike for trash cans when I have them!
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 20, 2011, 03:17:47 pm
Why do you hate a trash can? If you don't like it, just don't use it. The latest PCManFM from the VL7 repos asks you if you want the deleted file to go to the trash can and you can choose "no." I haven't looked enough to see if you can set up a straight and final Delete with PCManFM. Thunar does offer that option if you choose to add it.

It's good to be sure you want to delete a file before you do it and not use the Trash as a temporary storage area while you decide, but we're all human and occasionally make mistakes.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 20, 2011, 03:24:50 pm
Features like samba browsing support and trash can would probably be valued by less savvy users, but I'm wary of "feature creep". Those who want more automation would be better off with VL Standard.

I don't understand what you mean when you say "more automation would be better off with VL Standard." More automation in comparison to what? IceWM? LXDE? And what does it have to do with PCManFM?

PCManFM seems to be usable on several window managers, and it is what it is. I like it quite a bit and usually use it in preference to Thunar on VL7 Standard, but Midnight Commander is still my most-used file manager in all VectorLinuxes I use.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 20, 2011, 03:32:27 pm
I've just checked PCManFM Edit, Preferences, and in the General tab you can choose "Move deleted files to trash bin instead of erasing from disk." So you don't have to deal with the Trash at all if you don't want to. You can also choose "Confirm before deleting files" if you want to do that or uncheck it if you don't.

I like programs that give me a choice, rather than that try so hard to be mean and lean that they lack things people are used to having.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on June 20, 2011, 05:56:42 pm
Granny, I take your posts as a vote in favor of the new version of pcmanfm with gvfs enabled.

When I say "automation", I refer to the differences between pcmanfm 0.9.x and 0.5.x. In the later version, gvfs enables features like the trash can and automatic browsing of virtual filesystems (SFTP, FTP, WebDAV, SMB, OBEX and more). This brings pcmanfm's feature set closer to that of Thunar's.

I'm not sure about possible performance penalties and added complexity needed for these more advanced features.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: pierce.jason on June 20, 2011, 09:18:22 pm
I've just checked PCManFM Edit, Preferences, and in the General tab you can choose "Move deleted files to trash bin instead of erasing from disk." So you don't have to deal with the Trash at all if you don't want to. You can also choose "Confirm before deleting files" if you want to do that or uncheck it if you don't.

PERFECT! Thanks for the tip Granny! I guess missed that configuration option when I started using pcmanfm2(0.9x), and have just been hating trash can so long that I never re-checked!
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Lyn on October 05, 2011, 03:52:56 am
Any progress with this?  Thought I'd bump this up the list :-)
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on October 05, 2011, 04:15:07 am
I know it has been a while. Right now the emphasis is on STD and Live. There have been spurts of progress, the fruits of which can be seen in Light Live A5. Once STD goes final, things should pick up. Appreciate the interest.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 05, 2011, 04:31:52 am
light live a5 is pretty good.  im using that as my main development environment now and have not haf a single problem.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Lyn on October 05, 2011, 11:00:38 am
I wonder if I should add the light version as my main and add to it...  one way of getting a Vector 7 system up and running with my fav window manager
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on October 05, 2011, 11:21:09 am
Lyn, I suggest holding off a little. There have been major changes between Light A5 and current STD.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Herpy on December 23, 2011, 09:27:11 am
Being a self diagnosed fluxbox junkie I haven't tried PCmanFM, always used thunar, wanna try it now lol
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: nightflier on December 23, 2011, 10:20:01 am
The package "icewmvmods" is available in the repo. It will add a choice in your login manager "IceWm", plus PCManFM and some more more customizations.
Title: Re: Package request - IceWM plus mods
Post by: Lyn on December 24, 2011, 12:53:40 am
Using it now :-) 

My main issue with vanilla icewm is the menu, easy to build by hand but a bit laborious, there was a script you could run (not the one with the mods for icewm done for vector) but that ceased to work on my machine.... so the mods get my vote for making Icewm the best for my machine.  Have done a rough theme of my own too... will have to give you a screenshot.