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The nuts and bolts => Web & Internet => Topic started by: RonB on June 09, 2011, 03:47:07 am

Title: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: RonB on June 09, 2011, 03:47:07 am
After having to download a couple library files to get Chrome 11.x to work in VectorLinux 6 Standard, I downloaded the newest (v12.x) of Chrome and got a "Your operating system is obsolete" message (paraphrased). It also wanted to set up a keyring, which I had no interest in, as I never save passwords online anyhow -- and I've got the preferences set to "never offer to save passwords." It kind of worked despite the message, but I had issues, so dropped back to Chrome 11. Does anyone know "why" Chrome would judge VL 6 as "obsolete?" (How rude.) I'm also testing Firefox 4 on this same install and it's last "upgrade" (last night) was to version 5 beta -- and it had no issues whatsoever with my "obsolete" OS. I like Chrome but I don't like arbitrary "obsolete" messages. I guess I could probably go to Chromium, but that doesn't sync right -- I know because that's why I use on CentOS -- (and I like the sync feature).

At any rate I thought I would whine a bit. I guess VL 7 should take care of the "obsolete" issue but I still don't like the Chrome's "obsolete" message. I kind of wish Firefox worked a little more like Chrome, so I wouldn't have to worry about it.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: retired1af on June 20, 2011, 11:52:07 am
Just took a look through the Google forums, and you aren't the only one who is complaining about the message.

Seems Google, in its infinite arrogance, has taken upon themselves to declare certain OS's "obsolete". As a result, the browser will no longer update.

Pretty much clinches things for me. I'll stick with FireFox and Opera.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 20, 2011, 03:42:29 pm
So far I have refused to use Chrome. I'm wary of Google. It has its fingers in *everything* and may turn into a worse Microsoft than Microsoft (which is on a decline).

I've never noticed any slowness with Opera and I'm fine with Firefox and SeaMonkey, too.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 20, 2011, 10:18:10 pm
Have a simple rule of thumb the bigger the corp and the more money they have. The higher the craptastic rating and scumbag to sleazball ratio is sure to climb. Google being a megacorp definitely falls well into that.

Feel about the same as the others here. Dislike all the net giants. Think they have too much control, too much self serving motivations and too much craptasticness going on with how they choose to operate. Plus have used FF so long I'm not likely to switch over so webpages will load .00012 secs faster at this point.

Updated to FF 4.01 on VL lite 6.0 last night in a couple clicks. Seems to be running fine. No rude comments about the OS I was using either. :D Ahhh mozilla, the opensource browser that put a boot in IE's a**.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: Andy Price on June 21, 2011, 12:09:34 am
So far I have refused to use Chrome. I'm wary of Google. It has its fingers in *everything* and may turn into a worse Microsoft than Microsoft (which is on a decline).
I can certainly understand that sentiment. Google seem to have quietly dropped their "don't be evil" mantra, perhaps a while after they helped a certain country track down and jail a few dissidents. Or traitors, depending on your viewpoint of course. So the question is: who is not evil?
Anyway, I just want to say that Chrome is a fine browser, whoever its parents, and it feels subjectively snappier than the others, even if the numbers don't show it. If nothing else it's given some much-needed competition and is leading the way in interface design, security etc, just like Firefox did way back when...
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 21, 2011, 02:14:05 am
Did ?

FF is the original and continues to be the original as far as I can tell. The mozilla people are no slouches when it comes to browser development. They have the whole there's a plug-in for it thing going for em. FF is the wordpress of the web browser world. :D

Not to mention, thanks to transparency and about:config. FF is extremely easy to dig into and tweak. Which being a compulsive software tweaker I've done more than my share of. In terms of speed FF 4.01 can hold its own with anything else on the field. As mentioned though am good with waiting an extra .28 secs regardless. If there were something faster. Wouldn't be by all that much regardless. Found chrome and chromium to be less user friendly compared too.

Monopolies always end up biting the little people on the butt. The bigger they get, the bigger the bite. Google already has too much influence online imo. Don't really like seeing them moving into web browsers and linux based OS's now. Though they should've been doing it 10yrs ago or more. They are everybit as craptastic as M$, FB ... etc.

Google has just managed to hide it better. Everybody says ohhhh google gives people all this stuff free !!! Google isn't giving you or anybody else anything for free. They do it to keep the "users" coming back to them. So they can keep printing money monetizing them. Google assigns a dollar value and expectation to anything they let people use and probably to each user too.

People say ohhh that's just business. Well anyone who has a clue about the overall impact and havoc of what people with too much money already always looking for more have inflicted on the world in the name of business. Are more likely to call it scumbaggy, lowlife, psychopathic business. As usual ...

Think the world would be a much better place if M$, Google and Facebook all weren't in it, lol.

Dontcha just luv a good rant ? I feel 10 pounds lighter. :D
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: Andy Price on June 21, 2011, 03:05:09 am
Well if you want a browser to twiddle with then I have to agree, FF is your best choice - a twiddler's delight :)
And yes, plugins were an innovation... five years ago. But credit where it's due, we'd still be in the browser dark ages if not for FF. I loved it, even way back when it was called Phoenix and was super light and fast.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 21, 2011, 04:26:01 am
Ohhhh U ! Uuuuuu, chrome liker !!! I do in fact like me twiddling .. BUSTED ! :D

Unless there's a super compelling reason guess I'm sticking with good ole FF. Web browser is a preference thing. Not like I wish death on chromium n chrome users. Not even the people still using IE. Will be watching closely, though not bothering to do all that much upgrading. FF is doing this whole new rapid release cycle thing. 4.01 ( or variations, iceape, shiretoko, palemoon ) work well enough under all the OS's installed now. Having to upgrade every time someone turns around could get annoying.

Also wondering how much progress can actually be made every 16 wks ? Oh well ...
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 21, 2011, 07:50:30 pm
I feel compelled to point out that Opera had these Firefox "innovations" long before they showed up in Firefox. The things popular Firefox plugins do are already built into Opera, for the most part.

about:config is one thing I hate about Firefox. Why aren't most of those settings available to ordinary mortals in a menu or human readable form, as they are in Opera? It disgusts me that I have to go into about:config to make the backspace key work like in does in most browsers. And there's nothing to help you out, nothing that explains the obscure settings.

I don't dislike Firefox and I do use it sometimes. But Opera is my main browser in all operating systems and has been since Windows 3.1 days.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 21, 2011, 11:35:18 pm
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And there's nothing to help you out, nothing that explains the obscure settings

Well nothing except google and any other search engine. ;) Just mainly messing with ya GG. Not like a persons preference of browser is all that big a deal either way it goes. Been thinking about that backspace function thing you mention lately myself. Toying with the idea of setting it up to work as it's supposed to. Agree that is a wee bit annoying ... oh well.

Been using the alt and arrows keys to shortcut back/forwards. Was thinking it was just a linux thing. Being newbish ... then noticed the line of code for determining backspace action while reviewing a FF tweak guide. So mozilla's not focusing all that much on linux I guess. Backspace works as expect by default in winblows. Guess it's understandable ... With 90% of PC's being M$ boxes. Logical enough that they'd focus more energy and effort on that platform.

Scratches head, not sure why they wouldn't set that line of code to do what's accepted as normal for web browsers under linux though ... Weird.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 22, 2011, 02:48:45 am
Update: Well FF 5 just came out and mozillas servers must be getting slammed. Took like 30mins to download 8.5mbs on highspeed ... yikes.

lol ... this seemed like an appropriate place to post this. Only been playing with it a couple mins and under winblows. Haven't worked up the nerve to install under VL lite yet. But have to say so far. Look out chrome ... Is definitely peppier than it was with 4.01. At least liking it so far anyway.

Plus ramped up a few tweaks. Is it ill advised in VL to update FF or other browser the old fashioned way ? I mean direct from the provider ? Wondering if issues could crop up, dependencies or it not being well supported and make it become unstable or buggy ?

Went ahead and updated to FF 4.01 on VL lite 6.0 night before last  from the 3.6.16 or whichever it was. Haven't seen any issues yet. Thought if the OS can support version 3.6 why shouldn't it also have what it takes to handle 4.01. Some input on this would be nice from someone who knows. Updating from the official source good, bad ... indifferent idea ? Thanks ... sorry about the offtopic. Nope FF 5 didn't say anything about my using an obsolete OS either and XP is older than dirt. :D
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 22, 2011, 03:33:00 pm
Been using the alt and arrows keys to shortcut back/forwards. Was thinking it was just a linux thing.

Nah. I think most browsers offered those as options regardless of platform. Plus other keyboard shortcuts. In Opera you can use the z (back) and x (forward) keys, too. Not mnemonic, positional. Opera also has mouse gestures built in. Right mouse click and hold and move the mouse left or right to move back and forward. You can get those in Firefox with an extension. You can also use the Alt, Control, and Shift keys with mouse clicks to move back and forward in Firefox--also in SeaMonkey, which is built on the same base as Firefox and works similarly.

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So mozilla's not focusing all that much on linux I guess.

Here's a secret for Linux folks who think "open source" belongs mainly to us. It doesn't. I suspect a large portion of users of open source software that has cross platform versions are using Windows. That goes for Firefox without question, Gimp, Scribus, Open Office, Picasa, others I can't think of offhand. It's no longer true that you have to spend the big bucks on software if you're not using Linux. There are loads of free programs for Windows, both open source and proprietary but free to use. So I suggest scratching that "advantage" when we're promoting reasons to use Linux.

I never noticed how backspace works on Windows Firefox. I don't use Windows much and though I do have Firefox installed on my Win 7 computer, I don't think I've ever used it for browsing. About all I do with it is start it to update it and update Flash.

I agree completely that browsers are a personal choice and not something to argue about. I'm glad we have more choices now than we did a few years ago, at least as far as Windows is concerned. All users benefit because with several popular browsers, Web pages have to be more careful to follow standards so all browsers can view them.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 23, 2011, 12:32:08 pm
No shortage of choices out there that's for sure.

Seems many nix distro's are taking pains to step up their efforts to have the latest browser versions supported and available in their repos. Several I've seen already have FF 5 out. Makes sense too ... latest web browsers seem like it could be a make or break selling point for nix for a lot of people.

I really don't sweat it. Not mandatory to have the latest browser out installed. As long as the one's I'm using work as expected. Latest isn't always a good thing anyway. Remember when I did start experimenting with other browsers for awhile in the linux OS. Probably tried just about every wb known to humanity and some very few people had heard of. Anyway, sometimes latest, as with any software, doesn't necessarily mean best.

Had chromium 10.summin and chrome same version number installed. Out came version 11 and thought alright, this is bound to be better !!! Nope ... crashed left and right, slow as molassas lol.

All that headache and experimentation finally led me to a couple conclusions. Why would anyone need 15 web browers ? 2. It was just simplier for me to stick with the one I was most familiar with. They all do the same thing. One may do this or that a lil better than the others. But likely something they all do better than it does too or have a feature it's missing, shrugs.

GG went ahead and fixed the backspace action for FF 4 in VL. Just a matter of about:config ... search for one line of code in the search bar, change a value of 2, to 0. Restart browser n done ... Backspace works as expected afterwards.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 23, 2011, 09:46:12 pm
There is a bit of a hazard to using an older browser, though--even one release back. New releases are often to fix security issues, which are constantly being found. It may not be something likely to bite us, but I still don't like to be using something on the Internet that has known vulnerabilities.

I wouldn't usually upgrade the day the new release comes out, but within two or three days. I figure if it's a disaster, early adopters will experience the problems and a fix may be forthcoming.

I don't think one browser is enough because it's not unusual for one browser to have difficulties at some site that another does not. On Linux I like to have Opera, Firefox, and SeaMonkey. I don't usually use Konqueror as a browser, if I bother to install kdebase at all. I'm avoiding Chrome and I've stopped bothering with Dillo, Links, Lynx, and others in that class.

>> went ahead and fixed the backspace action for FF 4 in VL. Just a matter of about:config ... search for one line of code in the search bar, change a value of 2, to 0.  >>

Yep, it's easy when you know what to do. By the way, you don't have to restart the  browser. The backspace action takes place as soon as you make the change.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on June 24, 2011, 04:54:41 am
I'm sure I'm considered obsolete by many. Once I get used to a workflow I don't like to change it. I just made the leap from FF3 to 5. I still struggle with the "hold down back button for history" instead of the single click used before. That one difference kept me from going to FF4, but the smarter status indicator in 5 makes it worth it.

The whole backspace issue is a good example how users and their preferences are often ignored. The uproar when they changed it was loud enough that it should have prompted a check box option.

Since I'm already ranting.. I used to have Google as my home page, but since "instant search" became mandatory, "about:home" is looking much better. And I'm using the built in search box more.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on June 24, 2011, 01:27:08 pm
Just so everyone knows the easy fix for making backspace work they way they're used to in FF. ie: Backspace return to the last page you were on.

In the firefox address bar, type about:config ... hit enter. Search for the following in the search bar or even searching for backspace will bring it up.

browser.backspace_action;2

Click on it, select modify and change the default value of 2, to 0 instead. That's it ... sure most people here already know this. Just covering for the sake of covering it. In case someone hadn't known the fix.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: RonB on June 28, 2011, 11:35:17 pm
Anyway, I just want to say that Chrome is a fine browser, whoever its parents, and it feels subjectively snappier than the others, even if the numbers don't show it. If nothing else it's given some much-needed competition and is leading the way in interface design, security etc, just like Firefox did way back when...

I'm not happy about Chrome "obsoleting" VL6, but it's still my favorite browser and I'm hoping that issue will be moot with VL7. Not only is Chrome "snappier" but I like the way it clears so much real estate by default. It has been my main browser for several months now -- not that I hate FireFox (I've upgraded to 3.6.18 and also have 5.0 beta on this machine). I appreciate all the innovations and hard work put into Opera -- but I've never been able to quite get used to it.   
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 03, 2011, 10:19:00 pm
Know whatcha mean about not liking the instant search. Who knows why google does the junk they do ? Well ... other than making any and every attempt poss to make google inc more $. Not too sure about them really. Keep hoping a lil known search engine will innovate and displace google. Seems they spend way more time trying to figure out new ways to bilk more money out of the web and their userbase. Than they do being a good search engine.

Anyone who's had the pleasure ( 2/3 people abouts in the US ) of searching for summin on google. Knows how much totally irrelevant and unrelated crap you have to spend time digging through to find anything worthwhile on google. Wish theyd concentrate on being a friggin search engine. Rather than coming up with more ways to boost google's bank accounts. What a mind blowing concept ... A search engine that actually consistently finds relevant stuff on the web !!! Wow ... :D

As for browser related VL stuff. Had to roll back to the latest FF version in VL lights repos. Updated ff, the conventional way to FF 4.01 and it started getting buggy on me. aka: search for updates, update available, downloaded and installed them using FF's interface. End result ... a buggy FF 4.01. So used the package manager to mark whichever FF version was available for reinstall and it cleared things up for me.

So atm, using Ff 3.6.summin ... When the latest stable out for it is already 5.0. It works well enough though. Guess I should learn more about my OS and nix to figure out how to keep things current myself. Though is a downside of using a distro that doesn't have as much support in terms of user numbers and devs to keep things more current. VL light 6.0 is a really good, lesser known nix distro imo though.

Have to say for the unintiated and avg PC user. Things like not having access to latest version browsers is one of nix's real weaknesses and where it comes up short to winblows. Though for M$, guess all the development work is done for them by the devs who maintain and release web browsers to da masses.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on July 04, 2011, 06:18:21 am
In a talkative mood, so a few thoughts on Google, Firefox  ;D

Google is a moving target that is picking up speed. I've been dodging instant search and other improvements, using the https version and special urls. Now there is a black bar at the top which actually offers an improvement: click the "gears" icon in upper right corner and it allows you to set your preferences without logging in. Hope that lasts for a while.

Firefox is also hard to keep up with. It takes time for the packagers to build and upload new packages. Then a maintainer needs to move them to the testing section and announce them in the forum. After a while they make it into the stable repo. The small VL team does not have the resources to immediately cover all the bases.

I manually installed FF5 using the official binaries and have found it to be a worthy upgrade. It is cleaner and faster than previous versions.

Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 05, 2011, 12:30:57 am
Sumthing tells me you aren't the avg nix ... or VL user though nightflier. First distro I used as an actual hard disk install was Linux Mint. They make installing .deb packages from outside sources a bit easier if I remember correctly. Did it a few times from the actual source ( people who make/release the software.) Got rid of LM. Cause it didn't make sense to spend 4hrs tweaking an install to lighten it up. When someone can just install something like VL light, antix ... etc and be good to go with the default. Plus they are closely based on ubuntu. Personally cannot stand ubuntu and think they're the most overrated, hyped and undeserving nix distro in history. Not to mention vast majority of buntu is just rebranded Debian testing code apparently.

In LM did it both by installing via .deb package and just adding the mozilla repo/ppa etc.

Not sure how to manually install a program in VL light atm. Still too nix newbish ... Would be a nice thing to learn though. Until then am stuck with FF 3.6.xxx, shrugs. Trying to devote more time to learning linux. Though it does take a considerable amount of time and we all have other things pressing on our time. I'm trying to start an online services business. Which it's ridiculous how many t's there is to cross and i's to dot with things like that ... sighs.

Guess just have to go with live and learn ( a lil bit at a time.) Might eventually be a 1/2 proficient linux user someday. :D Doesn't help having quite a few different distro's installed either. Some debian, some slackware ... one independent. Not everything works consistently the same across all of them. Makes it tougher than just having one to focus on. Though have nobody to blame except myself there. For going overboard with the distro hop. There's just too much great linux in the world to just have one imo, lol.

Chose to stop at 3 installs, but there's another 20 distro's I'd like to try. On top of the dozen I've already gone through. Back to the only so many hrs in a day thing. As for google ... Mentioned I personally keep hoping something will come along that works mucho better for web search and knock them on their butts. They've been dominating the web too long already, far as I'm concerned. They can take their browser and shove it. M$, Google, facebook should all eat **** and die in my opinion, lol.

Calling an OS someone is using obsolete is just craptastic, insulting and disrespectful in my view. Like they are so full of themselves they couldn't even be bothered to phrase it better. That's insulting to the OS user and the creators of the OS ... imo anyway. Google's momma is obsolete.

:D
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on July 05, 2011, 05:17:51 am
I agree that Linux introduces a lot of choices that can complicate the life of a user.

That's life. Remember when the telephone was predictable and easy to use? There was one company, one interface, one way of doing things. Then came cell phones, feature phones and smart phones. Much more complex. But when they want to, or have to, people figure it out.

Don't feel bad about distro-hopping. It took me a long time before I settled on VL. Have fun and learn.

I am not too worried about having the latest and greatest, but when it comes to browsers, I want an up to date product. If you like, and are willing to copy and paste some commands into a terminal, I can post instructions on installing FF5.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 05, 2011, 07:37:04 am
Would definitely be appreciate NF. Already used your patented terminal instructions to upgrade to the lastest adobe flashplayer.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on July 05, 2011, 08:42:55 am
Alrighty then.. usual disclaimers about unofficial hack, use at own risk etc..  ;)
Remember, you can copy each line and paste it into a terminal with mouse middle-click (usually the wheel), or key combination Shift-Insert

In a terminal:
Code: [Select]
su
cd
cp /usr/share/applications/mozilla-firefox.desktop /tmp
removepkg firefox
wget ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/5.0/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-5.0.tar.bz2
tar -jxvf firefox-5.0.tar.bz2 -C /opt
cd /usr/bin
rm -f firefox
ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox firefox
mv /tmp/mozilla-firefox.desktop /usr/share/applications

Explanation:
become root (it will ask for password)
change to root home dir (so we don't put the downloaded file in a weird place)
the Mozilla package does not provide a menu entry, so we'll preserve the one from the VL package
then we remove old FF
download the new file (you can browse to other versions at https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html)
extract it to /opt
change to /usr/bin
remove old link/excecutable, if present
make a link to the FF executable, so users can launch with just the command "firefox" instead of "/opt/firefox/firefox"
move the file for the menu entry back where it belongs

To update this Firefox install, just launch FF as root and click Help > About.. and allow it to update itself.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 05, 2011, 09:13:40 am
Thanks NF, don't see how there's much to lose. Am going for it !!! :D


I borked it !!! Through no fault of NF's highly detailed and comprehensive instructions and explanations anyone should be able to follow. Arghhh, am stuck on stoopid. Was copying the terminal commands from FF lol. Needless to say, not really sure how VL felt with I told it to delete FF. But evidently wasn't happy about my choices.

So didn't panic ... open package manager reinstall. Now for whatever reason when I get to a certain step says. error myusername/home not found or similar. Sheesh have been awake too long and should've paid better attention. Oh well ... still stuck with 3.6.xxx. Tried mk dir (the one that it said didn't exist.) Believe it's supposed to be mkdir ? Didn't even attempt to set permissions when I messed up with mkdir. :D

I'm too darn tired to worry about this. Though appreciate the detailed attempt NF. Nobody can say you don't give in depth instructions that shouldn't leave much room for error. I still found room though. *face palm. Oh well no better, but no worse off.

:D

Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 05, 2011, 05:34:57 pm
Nightflier, thanks for those directions. I'll do it manually, as it looks pretty simple. What about /usr/lib/mozilla? I'm sure I'll understand once I see what's in the extracted file.

Firefox updated itself to Firefox 5 on Windows 7, but on VectorLinux it needs some human intervention.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on July 05, 2011, 06:13:55 pm
There is no /usr/lib/mozilla in the Mozilla package, nor the VL one. Other packages (jre, librsvg, mplayerplugin, vplug-in) place files there, so they are not affected by the removal or installation of Firefox or other Mozilla browsers. On my system, all plugins continue to work after this procedure.

Yes, only root can install/update/remove system files on Linux. For good reason.  ;)
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 05, 2011, 06:16:49 pm
Not to mention vast majority of buntu is just rebranded Debian testing code apparently.

Which is perfectly okay in the open source world.

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In LM did it both by installing via .deb package and just adding the mozilla repo/ppa etc.

You can use Slackware packages from non-VectorLinux sources, for example slacky.eu or linuxpackages.net. (linuxpackages.net seems to be down now. Does anyone know if the site is still around?) When I download from other than the VL repos, I install with installpkg. Try to get a package for the same version of Slackware that your VL is based on. For VL6 Light, it's Slackware 12.1.0. Also, the first time you start the program, start from a Terminal prompt. The package may not pull down all the needed dependencies. You may be able to add them later.

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Calling an OS someone is using obsolete is just craptastic, insulting and disrespectful in my view. Like they are so full of themselves they couldn't even be bothered to phrase it better. That's insulting to the OS user and the creators of the OS ... imo anyway.

Chill out! There's nothing insulting about calling something obsolete that IS obsolete. VL Light 6 is obsolete. You would realize this if you used VL6 SOHO or especially VL7 Standard. Libraries are out of date, as is the kernel. The included software is also out of date. I'm using VL6 Light to write this. I'm not insulting VL6 Light. I love it; it's perfect for this computer. But it's obsolete nevertheless. Some software won't run on it because it requires newer dependencies. I'm really looking forward to the final release of VL7 Standard and hope we'll next work on VL7 Light.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 05, 2011, 09:31:16 pm
Thanks to Nightflier's inspiration, I've upgraded to Firefox 5 and SeaMonkey 2.1 on VL6 Light. All I needed was a little nudge and some idea of what was involved. Actually, I just put the expanded installation directories into /opt and put a symlink in /usr/bin. Plugins are working.

Adobe Flash also has a new version and I've installed that. Tomorrow I'll update Flash and the browsers on my VL7 RC2 desktop computers.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 06, 2011, 01:32:09 pm
Oh well, more opinions than there are people. Think it'd be just as easy to say your OS is not supported. As it is to say your OS is obsolete. How an OS, that's capable of running everything on a computer and doing all the daily computing tasks an avg user could need should be considered obsolete ... not overly sure. Even if it doesn't have the latest of everything or support for it.

Either way, dislike Google and the rest of the megatech corps. That won't change, shrugs.

Might eventually take another stab at manually upgrading FF in VL lite 6. More likely just wait till the new 7.0 comes out though.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 06, 2011, 09:03:04 pm
I upgraded to Firefox 5 and SeaMonkey 2.1 in VL6 Light. I didn't use any scripts and it was simplicity itself. Here's what I did:

I went to the Firefox Web site and downloaded the latest version from the download link.
( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/new/ ) I closed the browser and opened Midnight Commander to the download directory I use. I then highlighted the firefox-5.0.tar.bz.2 file in Midnight Commander, hit F2, and selected "Unpack selected file." This created a /firefox directory in my download directory. I then opened another terminal, did su to root, and moved the /firefox directory to the /opt directory.

Next I opened the /usr/bin directory as root and created a symlink from /opt/firefox/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox after I deleted the firefox symlink that was already there. Finally I tped
firefox
at a terminal prompt. Firefox came up and is working fine. I do get a couple of complaints but they don't seem to affect program operation. Plugins are working, though some are incompatible and were disabled by Firefox. These are the complaints:
/opt/firefox/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
/opt/firefox/plugin-container: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)

For SeaMonkey, do the same thing but with the SeaMonkey update file you can download at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ .
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: nightflier on July 06, 2011, 11:23:30 pm
Granny beat me to it when it came to recommending Midnight Commander. But, since I already wrote a little mini-tutorial off-line, here is my supporting vote for that great utility:

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In a terminal, run command "mc". If you are using VL6 Light, it will be pre-configured for lynx-like motion, so you can navigate using the keyboard arrows. Right to enter a dir, up/down to see the files, and left to go back.  You can also use the mouse and click. Otherwise, you need to highlight with arrows and press Enter. Press the Tab key to move between the two panels.

In the left panel, navigate to an easy to remember location, like /tmp.

On the top menu, press F9 and highlight (or click on) "Right". Select "FTP link...", and type "ftp.mozilla.org" in the field. Now navigate via pub > firefox > releases etc. until you find the "firefox-5.0.tar.bz2" file. Highlight it with the arrow keys and press F5 (check the bottom info bar for more commands). This will copy the file to the left panel (/tmp).

Now navigate to the /opt directory in the right pane. Tab back to the left and highlight the firefox-5.0.tar.bz2 file, then press Enter. Give it a few seconds, and the contents of the archive should be displayed. Use F5 to copy the firefox folder to /opt. Informational: you can then tab to the right panel, highlight the /opt/firefox/firefox file, and press Enter. This will launch FF.

Next, navigate to /usr/share/applications and copy the mozilla-firefox.desktop to /tmp

While still in mc, type "removepkg firefox" and press Enter.

Navigate to /usr/bin. If you see a "firefox" file there, highlight and delete it with F8.
Use F9 (or click) File > Symlink. Type "/opt/firefox/firefox" in top field, "firefox" in lower.

Navigate to /tmp and /usr/share/applications, use F6 to move the mozilla-firefox.desktop file

Done. Press F10 to exit.

Compare the length of this walk-through to the command line instructions, and you quickly understand why some prefer the briefness and exactness of shell commands instead of trying to talk people through the use of a GUI.

Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: vectornewb on July 07, 2011, 12:35:42 am
Between the two of you NF and GG. Definitely makes using VL more enjoyable. Nightflier is the king of well detailed how to's for sure. :D

Will more than likely try what you've listed nightflier. Just for the sake of learning it. Though for whatever faults it may have ... FF 3.6.xx is actually pretty snappy in VL and does get the job done.
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: Andy Price on July 07, 2011, 06:57:25 pm
Thanks for the tips, just upgraded to FF5 and it seems much faster and nicer than FF3.6 or whatever I was stuck at. Almost as nice as Chrome :)
Used the same method to upgrade Thunderbird to version 5, no problems so far, though it seems like a minor upgrade to me. One interesting thing though, it's much better at compacting folders. My email previously occupied 1.3 GB (after compacting) but after the upgrade the new Thunderbird compacted it to less than 1 GB.
Andy
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: RJARRRPCGP on December 17, 2011, 11:15:07 am
I feel compelled to point out that Opera had these Firefox "innovations" long before they showed up in Firefox. The things popular Firefox plugins do are already built into Opera, for the most part.

about:config is one thing I hate about Firefox. Why aren't most of those settings available to ordinary mortals in a menu or human readable form, as they are in Opera? It disgusts me that I have to go into about:config to make the backspace key work like in does in most browsers. And there's nothing to help you out, nothing that explains the obscure settings.

I don't dislike Firefox and I do use it sometimes. But Opera is my main browser in all operating systems and has been since Windows 3.1 days.
--GrannyGeek

Welp, I found a rendering option that requires about:config in Opera 11.6x.
Opera hides some options, too. :(
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: Herpy on January 06, 2012, 09:12:14 am
Welp I am sticking with Firefox thankyou! Obsolete, I'll show them obsolete when I hunt down each and every one of their computers and put Windows ME on all of them! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
Title: Re: Chrome 12.x calls VL 6 "obsolete"
Post by: RJARRRPCGP on March 24, 2012, 08:23:28 am
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I downloaded the newest (v12.x) of Chrome and got a "Your operating system is obsolete" message

Like it's Windows 95 and NT 4? WTF Google.