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Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: nightflier on August 04, 2011, 07:16:27 am

Title: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 04, 2011, 07:16:27 am
Please report your findings below. Thanks for being part of the testing process!  :)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 05, 2011, 12:27:41 am
Downloaded iso file gives correct md5sum yet burned CDs, 2 different ones
seem to have corrupted files. Times-out on udev one, the other on modules.

Will try another download early in the morning tomorrow, better broadband run.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 05, 2011, 08:23:27 pm
I made another download, took half the time this time. md5sum of iso file
again OK, however, on the burned CD trying to get md5sum again I get
only errors. Burning was at speed 3 on a brand new CD.

Booting from the CD took forever especially for Triggering udev events,
Setting system time and Caching fonts.

There was an error: /etc/rc.d/rc.S: line 293: 2796 Bus error ldconfig.

When it finally reached login I got:
/usr/bin/skill: Input/output error
/usr/bin/xmodmap: Input/output error.

Unable to start X.

There were as well some errors about Samba, cups and alsa.

I double checked my CD burning etc and all works fine and with other
install CDs I can get a md5sum.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: stretchedthin on August 06, 2011, 10:48:42 am
Hi niteflier;

Couple days ago I downloaded the vl-light.iso alpha5, put is to a usb flash drive with unetbootin, and all that I tested went well.

I tested the live-upgrade function and it worked and added the text file to the desktop as it was designed to do.

Yesterday at vector's prompting I did it again, and low and behold got a new pcmanfm which works for mounting external media (flash usb, camera media etc.) NICE.

One note, I was quick on the trigger and "ctrl+alt+del'd" as soon as promted to make the new installation of pcmanfm take effect.  I think something was still at work in the background and was terminated prematurely as I lost the ability to launch a terminal, rox-terminal, linux-terminal, any command line interface.

I rebooted to the live usb, did it all again but this time waited for a good 30 - 40 seconds after the prompt to log out and back in.
Everything worked perfectly then.

Took the next step and installed.  Installation went very well, (took the familiar gslapt route).  Like the new additions.

After installation rebooted and had a black square on the screen (which was pcmanfm).  Think it was supposed to be running invisibly in the background but something was off.  It went away after logging off and back on again.

Probably have not told you anything you don't know already. So will do some more testing and report back later.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: caieng on August 08, 2011, 12:23:35 pm
Hi nightflier,

Thanks for your time and trouble to make VL 7 lite-a5,  for testing.
download smooth, cd booted no problem,
Chose from the menu: "autoprobe for video", so the following comments may be skewed by having made the wrong choice here......

When the desktop appears, it looks satisfactory, albeit at mediocre resolution (I cannot tell by looking at it, without running a test, but it is either 800 x 600 or 1024 x 768, neither the default:  1280 x 1024, as I use every day, under windows 98 on the same computer.

I click on "READ-ME", and nothing happens.  Why?  Strange.

I click on "Install VL" nothing happens.  Wow.  Maybe there is something wrong with me?

So, I reboot, and this time, I choose "alternate autoprobe for video".  The screen resolution is definitely better, but still not 1280 x 1024. 

When I move the mouse, however, all kinds of activity jumps about on the screen in front of me.  It finally settles down, and I manage to close the half dozen applications which had spontaneously appeared.

I manage to invoke "Install VL", by RIGHT CLICKING the mouse, and then left clicking "Open".  This is clumsy at best, and, in my opinion, ill-suited to the hard earned philosophy of a user friendly system, enjoyed by VL.  Please change the default to SINGLE left CLICK ENABLED, which is intuitive and simple....

Those dissatisfied with the opportunity to act rationally, as if the year were 2011, not 1981, when we only had ONE button on a mouse, and were thus OBLIGED to use TWO successive clicks to distinguish one user input from another, that required only one click, will be sophisticated enough to REQUIRE themselves to click twice, but please stop penalizing those of us with arthritic disease:  we not only have old computers, we also have old brains, and very old joints.  THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION for requiring two clicks.  To do so, is both stupid, and inflexible, conveying exactly the opposite mentality from that outlined for MANY years, by the VL community.  One click is the standard.

BIG BUG:
I chose to adjust partitions, but when I reached the "Add user" sequence, the system just froze up, after I had entered a user name and password.  Mouse still moved, but had no impact on installer program:  could not close.
Rebooted, tried again, this time the big problem arose BEFORE I could enter the user name, right after clicking on add user.

I am stuck.

CAI ENG
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: raleeha on August 09, 2011, 12:40:07 am
Hallo,

i downloaded the iso and checked with md5sum was o..then trying to install on a 350 mhz pentium..everything seems ok..but when i reboot after install it says me:

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xauth:    file/home/test/.serverauth.2741 does not exist
         xinit:     giving up
         xinit:     unable to connect to X server: connection refused
         xinit:     server error
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 09, 2011, 04:23:48 am
raleeha, did you try to log in as root, or vl?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: scififry on August 09, 2011, 10:20:49 am
Downloaded and burned the image to a CD today, did the usual (md5sum check...) and booted it... Now posting this with the fresh install.
Works fine so far, but I'm experiencing the ALSA problem at the live boot too.
The installation went really well, but values like keyboard layout, hostname, text mode screen resolution and the ALSA configurator aren't settable in the installer anymore.
Also, the autologin isn't as save as a normal login, because I don't want anybody to access files on my computer just by turning it on. I'll check out that file sharing option later, but why does it (according to Nightflier's post in Distro Releases) have world wide read AND write permissions? The concept basically sounds good (file sharing), but if anybody could write data onto my /home until it's full that'd be a problem.

Overall this new edition of VectorLinux looks like a huge heap forward into new ranges, thank you for creating it! :)

EDIT: When setting up ALSA at boot, it says [FAILED], but seems to work just fine anyways...

Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 09, 2011, 10:52:59 am
Good observations.  :)

- Install/setup options: Since this is aimed at being installed, we should probably walk user through all available options. I'm thinking it may be best to do this on first boot after installation.
- Autologin: Can be turned on/off by root only. Currently set for convenience on the LiveCD.
- The file sharing setup is not what it would be in a final version, but this way we can verify that everything works.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 09, 2011, 11:28:36 am
Hi nightflier,


I manage to invoke "Install VL", by RIGHT CLICKING the mouse, and then left clicking "Open".  This is clumsy at best, and, in my opinion, ill-suited to the hard earned philosophy of a user friendly system, enjoyed by VL.  Please change the default to SINGLE left CLICK ENABLED, which is intuitive and simple....

Those dissatisfied with the opportunity to act rationally, as if the year were 2011, not 1981, when we only had ONE button on a mouse, and were thus OBLIGED to use TWO successive clicks to distinguish one user input from another, that required only one click, will be sophisticated enough to REQUIRE themselves to click twice, but please stop penalizing those of us with arthritic disease:  we not only have old computers, we also have old brains, and very old joints.  THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION for requiring two clicks.  To do so, is both stupid, and inflexible, conveying exactly the opposite mentality from that outlined for MANY years, by the VL community.  One click is the standard.

CAI ENG

Nice... Here goes the single-click rant again.  This time it even implies that the dev is stupid for not having the same personal preferences or circumstances as (1) of the many (potential) users of the end product.  This is as ridiculous as saying we should all use wheelchairs because some users might need them.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 09, 2011, 12:02:04 pm
Let's just hear people's preferences on single or double click. Add a brief and respectful explanation if you want to.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 09, 2011, 07:02:54 pm
I prefer single-click to highlight and double-click to select. I've been doing it that way for the 22 years I've been using a mouse. It works that way in Windows, which I use about 10% of the time. It works that way in XFce, my preferred desktop environment.

KDE uses single click by default and that's one of the many reasons I don't like KDE.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: raleeha on August 09, 2011, 09:31:47 pm
hi,

when i'm logged in as root and normal user it sows me same error message...maybe the installation went wrong...think i ll try it to reinstall

Code: [Select]
file/root/.serverauth.2161 does not exist
Code: [Select]
file/home/test/.serverauth.2119 does not exist
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Masta on August 09, 2011, 09:43:43 pm
hi,

when i'm logged in as root and normal user it sows me same error message...maybe the installation went wrong...think i ll try it to reinstall

Code: [Select]
file/root/.serverauth.2161 does not exist
Code: [Select]
file/home/test/.serverauth.2119 does not exist


or a bad burn.
Keep us posted on your findings
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: hata_ph on August 09, 2011, 09:53:38 pm
The matter of single or double click is not a bug/problem. Is just a matter of preferences. Since you can change the setting I don't see it much a issue to discuss...better focus other real problem or bug  ::)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: raleeha on August 09, 2011, 10:34:32 pm
but i did checked the burned cd and md5sum seems ok
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 09, 2011, 10:52:08 pm
raleeha, I'm working on another update which may help. How about waiting a day before re-installing? I'll post when update is ready.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: raleeha on August 09, 2011, 11:18:23 pm
oh now is too late i just reinstalled it and now x starts very well .. but now i get any trouble alsa working .. dont know what was wrong in past installation ..

yes i will try to install next release

but thx for reply
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: caieng on August 10, 2011, 01:22:06 pm
Quote from: hata-ph
The matter of single or double click is not a bug/problem. Is just a matter of preferences. Since you can change the setting I don't see it much a issue to discuss...better focus other real problem or bug
Is there an intuitive method to change from single to double click?  Would I be able to hand my computer to someone who was completely unfamiliar with Linux (or Windows), and ask them to change the default from two to one?  What would they do?  How would they know to do taht?  How many clicks of the mouse would it take, to accomplish the change?  Would they be obliged to click TWICE, to find out how to change to click ONCE?

Granny: 
I also dislike KDE, but not because of the quantity of clicks.  Why, do you suppose, the architects of KDE, one of the all time biggest bloats in the OS world, chose SINGLE clicks, rather than TWO clicks?    (hint:  Was KDE developed BEFORE, or AFTER, the mouse acquired MORE THAN ONE button?).

Getting back to the issue of installation, I had been stuck after the installation program crashed at the "create user" phase.

Today, I started over, from the beginning.
THIS time, unlike the previous attempt, I chose to bypass the option to engage GParted, and proceeded directly to the next phase, i.e. selecting the option to proceed using the existing partition layout.

Holy Cow.  This time, THERE WAS NO error, during the creation of a user account.  Why it should work if skipping Gparted, and fail if invoking Gparted, is a mystery to me....
In my opinion, there is definitely a bug in the installation software.  Don't know where, but I do know that I whizzed right past the previous problem, and as I write this, the cdrom is installing the software.  I hope to get logged in, yet today!

Yeah!!!!

CAI ENG
(wish I knew how to change the bloody mouse to single click)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: caieng on August 10, 2011, 01:44:53 pm
Quote from: nightflier
I'm working on another update which may help. How about waiting a day before re-installing? I'll post when update is ready.
nightflier:
a couple more bug report messages, hope they help:

1. Skip Gparted? wow, NOT A GOOD IDEA--the installer FAILED to format the partition, although, the installer software indicated that it would.....How do I know that?  Well, unintentionally, I assigned the normal screen resolution (1280 x 1024x32 bit color for Windows 98), oops, that caused a catastrophic failure, "blue screen of death".  Then, when I SKIPPED GParted, on starting over, the installation appeared to go smoothly, but, upon rebooting, BOOM, the same blue screen of death appeared, though I had not selected that resolution, which appears to exceed the capabilities of xorg.

2.  I found out what was wrong, with the "add user" routine.  At the risk of receiving all kinds of hostile rejoinders, this is ANALOGOUS to my "rant" about single click versus multiple clicks.

Why similar:  Well, I insist on LOGIC, and others prefer TRADITION.  I am disinterested in how things HAVE BEEN DONE, and more interested in doing things in a rational, systematic fashion.

In this case, as with the single click business, I employ a single character for the user name.  I can expect HOWLS of disapproval from the many, many forum members who are accustomed to the tedium of having both a letter AND a number included in the user name.  This is AGAIN, another ANCIENT tradtion, that harkens back to yesteryear, in the bad old days, I remember all too well, in the 1960's, when we had a computer with a hundred users.  ONE computer, with a hundred users.  Yes, in that environment, we needed more than a single character user name.

We don't need that today.  The "error", or "bug" in this marginal installation software, is the FAILURE of the installer to accept a single character as input.  This is a FATAL error, since I will not use, ANY distro, that OBLIGES more than one character..... VL light can conform to my DEMAND, or I can look elsewhere....

cheers,
CAI ENG
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 10, 2011, 02:13:45 pm
VL light can conform to my DEMAND, or I can look elsewhere....

cheers,
CAI ENG
WTF! ....  :-\ :-\ I'm sure Nightflier is shaking in fear! ;)
Interesting, 'cuz looking @ the poll on this thread, looks like your pitch about single click being more intuitive is not getting anywhere.  Besides, I've already told you how to change your preferences on your setup... You may think it's not "intuitive", but you can have your "intuitive" environment after about 4 clicks.  Get over youself dude.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 10, 2011, 02:54:07 pm
The formatting step that kicks in if one skips gparted is a new addition, and it does look like it causes problems. I'm thinking it may have something to do with disc syncing, needing time to update the new disk layout.

For the smoothest installation, do not skip the gparted step. But, for those who did, by doing so, you have given valuable feedback.   :)

There is no limitation on a single character user name, I do it all the time for quick testing.

Again, as mentioned in the announcement, this is Alpha software, with lots of new code (and bugs) in it. Expect more.
By testing and reporting, your current pain will be your gain later on!  ;D
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 10, 2011, 08:55:57 pm
I made another download, however, seem to be unable to get a correcty
burned CD. Again md5sum of the CD gives errors. On booting all runs well
until it reaches usr.xzm when it says it cannot open modules. It continues
with error reporting. Logging-in shows there is no /usr and no /var directory.

Other recently burnded CDs give correct md5sum. What could be the failure
for this Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 not to burn correctly? What could
I do to check where the problem is?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: gnomic on August 10, 2011, 09:43:57 pm
Ah, I see the person calling himself cai eng is here. Perhaps it would be injudicious to call him a troll, maybe he just has too much time on his hands which he spends splitting hairs on Linux forums. Anybody wishing to be bored to stupefaction need merely search on 'cai eng linux forums'. File under ignore for the most part imho.

About wrong md5sum for an iso from Pita - I haven't downloaded Light alpha 5, so can't comment on the quality there, but I had no problem with alpha 4. Assuming you have a good download verified by the md5sum, if the burned disc is no good then you presumably have a problem with your burner, or with your media, or with the interaction of the drive and disc. Some drives dislike some media. Have you tried using another drive to burn? Haven't reread all of your posts about this today before posting now, are you by any chance using a CD-RW - this sometimes causes problems. Often if a burn is bad this shows up by looking at the contents of the files on the disc - text files may not open for example, or their contents are corrupted. Maybe wait for the next iso?

Have you tried wget for downloading? This may be more reliable than using a browser. It's a cli programme but there are various gui wrappers for it depending on what distro or desktop you are using.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 11, 2011, 01:19:39 am

About wrong md5sum for an iso from Pita - I haven't downloaded Light alpha 5, so can't comment on the quality there, but I had no problem with alpha 4. Assuming you have a good download verified by the md5sum, if the burned disc is no good then you presumably have a problem with your burner, or with your media, or with the interaction of the drive and disc. Some drives dislike some media. Have you tried using another drive to burn? Haven't reread all of your posts about this today before posting now, are you by any chance using a CD-RW - this sometimes causes problems. Often if a burn is bad this shows up by looking at the contents of the files on the disc - text files may not open for example, or their contents are corrupted. Maybe wait for the next iso?

Have you tried wget for downloading? This may be more reliable than using a browser. It's a cli programme but there are various gui wrappers for it depending on what distro or desktop you are using.

Thanks! My burning problem apparently was solved. I run a laser lens cleaner
disk which is so seldom used that I almost could not find it.
After that I got a good burn. To download I always use either wget or prozilla.

First impression of LIGHT-Live: great. ;D
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: caieng on August 11, 2011, 04:34:29 pm
Quote from: nightflier
There is no limitation on a single character user name, I do it all the time for quick testing.
Thanks.

I attempted installation, twice, and both times, used a single character, and both times the installer software froze.

CAI ENG
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 11, 2011, 06:42:57 pm
Which character did you try to use?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 11, 2011, 09:17:02 pm
New update available. Use the "Upgrade System" on the desktop of user "vl" to download and apply (or run /sbin/do_upgrade as root). On a virgin system you will have to run it twice.

Highlights: A big thank you to roarde. He modified the live installer so that skipping gparted should not produce the errors it did before. System upgrade mechanism refined (but you won't see any difference on the surface).
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2011, 12:36:36 am
Here I am sitting in a puddle of my own sweat looking at this beautiful icy
picture of VL7-LIGHT-installed and feel great.

Installation went smooth and took about 15 minutes, except when the
installation progress bare showed I left and when I came back after a few
minutes that window had gone. I could see that the CD was working and
df showed loading progress. Suddenly the lilo window came up.
Rest is history.

On first boot the icon for upgrade showed. I used it and I think 2 programs
were upgraded, PCman and a library. Then logout and login that upgrade
icon is gone.

How does one get rid of this to me obnoxious speed dial in Opera?

Further testing to follow.

Menu-System-Manage Printing did not open Opera. However, in Opera
http://localhost:631/admin opened and I was able in good VL-LIGHT fashion
to configure my 2 printers, Epson as USB-unknown and Brother. Epson printing
OK for Brother I have to install the drivers first. Sledgehammer please take note!
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: raleeha on August 12, 2011, 03:28:12 am
i got illegal instruction while im starting pidgin :o

Code: [Select]
gdb --args pidgin -n -m
GNU gdb (GDB) 7.2
Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i586-slackware-linux".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>...
Reading symbols from /usr/bin/pidgin...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) r
Starting program: /usr/bin/pidgin -n -m
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/gdb/auto-load/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0.2800.7-gdb.py", line 9, in <module>
    from gobject import register
  File "/usr/share/glib-2.0/gdb/gobject.py", line 3, in <module>
    import gdb.backtrace
ImportError: No module named backtrace
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread 0xb404fb70 (LWP 11311)]

Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0xb31f9b0b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libcvaux.so.2.1
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 12, 2011, 05:10:13 am
Pita and raleeha: please both run the "Upgrade System" until you get a message "Testing only, no changes made". That would indicate that update 3 is installed and working. You can check /etc/vector-version to see where you are.

The upgrade icon should be on the desktop, but if not, run "/sbin/do_upgrade" as root.

Opera startup settings are found in "Opera > Settings > Preferences > General Tab" (kb shortcut Ctrl-F12).


Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 12, 2011, 05:31:42 am
Polls seem like a good way of getting a feel for user preferences.
Please vote in the current one, subject startup services.
This way, Light becomes YOUR distro.  :)

Result of the first poll is attached.

Edit: I just realized we need two votes for this one. If you voted once for Print, go back and give your opinion on File Sharing.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 12, 2011, 09:20:41 am
I mentioned this already in VECTORLINUX 7.0 RC2 Bug Reports

PLOP booting doesn't work anymore

One of the strong things of VectorLinux (VL6.0-light-live-final) was for me the fact
that it was able to boot and run, with the use of PLOP Boot Manager, from usb devices where
the mainboard bios itself can't boot from.
This possibility seems to have vanished in VL7.0-std-live-rc2. For now Vector is not able
to find the livecd.sgn file anymore. And this is very pitty because there are not many distro's
who worked together with PLOP right out of the box. Vector was one of the very 'seldom' ones.

Same with Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5. It can't find the livecd.sgn no more while VL6.0-light-live-final
does find it very well. My question is. Will this PLOP-booting be possible in the final version of Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live ?
Or is this possibility dropped ?

Friendly Greetings, Compact
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 12, 2011, 09:34:57 am
Compact, do you know the exact requirements for PLOP? We'll make it happen if we can.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 12, 2011, 01:43:02 pm
I burned a CD for Light Live alpha but at this time I have no interest in installing it on my hard drive. My main interest was in seeing if it would boot on all my systems and how well hardware was identified. The CD did boot on my three comuters and loading completed. Video looked okay on the desktops but I didn't investigate to see what was actually installed. I did run the update but this was for the uninstalled Light. I don't recall what happened on the Athlon but on the Sempron I lost icons and had just a gray desktop (menus functioning) and I couldn't get icons back. Okay, good-bye!

Amazingly, the CD did boot on my Dell laptop, whose CD/DVD drive is quite flaky and often refuses to boot a CD. It actually got as far as the screen that suggested commands but there was no prompt to log in. X also did not start. I was basically stuck there. That laptop with the Brookside graphics was a video nightmare when I first started using it in Linux a year or two ago and it still acts weird now and then, so I wasn't expecting smooth sailing. VESA didn't work when I first tried it a year or two ago. The fact that the CD was able to boot was a big plus in my book and I hope I'll eventually be able to get farther than that.

I trust we'll have a REAL VL7 Light and won't be stuck with just the Live version. I've never been fond of LiveCDs. To me they're just something for seeing if a distro tolerates your hardware and they're handy when you're traveling and going to be using someone else's computer. It really kind of drives me crazy when some people on this board automatically install the Live version to their hard drive. Why not go for the real thing? I think it's the pernicious influence of Ubuntu.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 12, 2011, 01:51:38 pm
Result of the first poll is attached.

Okay. I have to ask it. HOW do you change one-click or two with a few mouse clicks? You can't do it in XFce. The only thing you can change is whether Thunar will need a single click or double click to activate something. It doesn't apply to the whole system. 

Light alpha is using IceWM I think. I know Ice offers tons of customizations so maybe you can choose a system-wide single click in IceWM. But if it does, I've never encountered it--haven't looked, either, which might explain my results.

So pray tell, how do you change it with a few mouse clicks???
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 12, 2011, 01:57:33 pm
How does one get rid of this to me obnoxious speed dial in Opera?

Um, speed dial has been in Opera for several versions. You're first complaining now???

What do you find obnoxious about it? I consider it one of Opera's best features. If you don't like it, just ignore it. It doesn't do anything unless you set it up and want to use it. It's there if you open a new tab but ignore it. You can still use bookmarks as always.

Speed dial is great for intermediate pages, that is, pages you don't want in tabs that load all the time but that you use often enough that going through bookmarks is a bit tedious.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 12, 2011, 03:41:39 pm
HOW do you change one-click or two

It is a function of PCManFM (File Manager): Edit > Preferences > General
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 12, 2011, 04:53:42 pm
It is a function of PCManFM (File Manager): Edit > Preferences > General

Thanks. I had assumed it worked like the single-click option in Thunar, but I see that in IceWM it also applies to desktop icons. In XFce using PCManFM, it doesn't apply to desktop icons.

I guess it's easy to switch to whatever click you prefer if you're using Light and PCManFM.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2011, 05:55:44 pm
On new boot upgrade icon is back I think for #3.

In the do-upgrade window of leafpad a small typo: "checing" for new up-date

Great, a first in this entire VL7 series, finally USB flash drives are mounted as well as CDs.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2011, 06:03:04 pm
How does one get rid of this to me obnoxious speed dial in Opera?

Um, speed dial has been in Opera for several versions. You're first complaining now???

--GrannyGeek

Yes on previous versions there was the option "hide speed dial" I can't see
it anymore.

And when I do Ctrl-t for a new tab I get again another annoying churning
of wheels instead of a blank page. On a slow Internet connection this churning
is rather irritating to me.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: newt on August 12, 2011, 07:05:42 pm
How does one get rid of this to me obnoxious speed dial in Opera?

Um, speed dial has been in Opera for several versions. You're first complaining now???

--GrannyGeek

Yes on previous versions there was the option "hide speed dial" I can't see
it anymore.

And when I do Ctrl-t for a new tab I get again another annoying churning
of wheels instead of a blank page. On a slow Internet connection this churning
is rather irritating to me.

You can disable it by going to opera:config, and then 'speed dial state', change to '3'

shortcut (paste in opera address bar): opera:config#UserPrefs|SpeedDialState
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2011, 09:47:05 pm
How does one get rid of this to me obnoxious speed dial in Opera?

Um, speed dial has been in Opera for several versions. You're first complaining now???

--GrannyGeek

Yes on previous versions there was the option "hide speed dial" I can't see
it anymore.

And when I do Ctrl-t for a new tab I get again another annoying churning
of wheels instead of a blank page. On a slow Internet connection this churning
is rather irritating to me.

You can disable it by going to opera:config, and then 'speed dial state', change to '3'

shortcut (paste in opera address bar): opera:config#UserPrefs|SpeedDialState

Thanks a lot! What a relief. ;D
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 13, 2011, 12:59:44 am
Can barely find a fault. All seems to run well.

Installed wxcam, joe, dillo, firefox-5.0, dictionary for look. No squeaks nowhere.

"mc" for opening a picture file is looking for gqview instead now for geeqie.

vlc media player plays audio and video just fine.

To feel really at home I will copy essential files from my /home working distro.

Just did skype_static-2.2.0.35/,  works!

Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 13, 2011, 06:02:58 am
I think tbe printing and samba serbices shoukd off if included in the live cd.  These normally need specific configuration procedures that cannot he automated during firat boot.  My idea is... If it cant work out of the box it dont need to be there.  You may choose to have packages there and install them but save the cpu's breath from having to load services that will most likely not be used on a live environment.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 13, 2011, 12:14:28 pm
Compact, do you know the exact requirements for PLOP? We'll make it happen if we can.

PLOP itself works very fine no problem. It boots Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 very fine.
I just said PLOP because with PLOP it is possible to boot from media where the bios itself
can't boot from. After PLOP-booting VL the loading  of Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 stops because
VL7 can't find the medium it is booting and loading from. So it can't find the livecd.sgn file.
VL6.0-light-live-final did recognise very fine where it was booting from. In my case a
cardbus pcmcia usb 2.0 card with stick where Vector is on. So VL6.0-light-live-final did find
the livecd.sgn file.
As far as I understand it has something to do with options during the compilation of the kernel.
But my knowledge is too small to help you for I can't compile kernels.
Untill now I only found Vector 6 and TinyCore Linux who know where they are booting from. Most distro's
don't know where they are booting from if it is not directly a bootable drive or medium in the bios.
So Vector 6 was pretty unique in this aspect. It would realy be pity if this disappears with Vector 7.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: newt on August 13, 2011, 04:43:18 pm
Compact, do you know the exact requirements for PLOP? We'll make it happen if we can.

PLOP itself works very fine no problem. It boots Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 very fine.
I just said PLOP because with PLOP it is possible to boot from media where the bios itself
can't boot from. After PLOP-booting VL the loading  of Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 stops because
VL7 can't find the medium it is booting and loading from. So it can't find the livecd.sgn file.
VL6.0-light-live-final did recognise very fine where it was booting from. In my case a
cardbus pcmcia usb 2.0 card with stick where Vector is on. So VL6.0-light-live-final did find
the livecd.sgn file.
As far as I understand it has something to do with options during the compilation of the kernel.
But my knowledge is too small to help you for I can't compile kernels.
Untill now I only found Vector 6 and TinyCore Linux who know where they are booting from. Most distro's
don't know where they are booting from if it is not directly a bootable drive or medium in the bios.
So Vector 6 was pretty unique in this aspect. It would realy be pity if this disappears with Vector 7.
nightflier, I notice that VL6LightLive has a boot.catalog and VL7LightLiveA5 does not. I wonder if this single, simple file is what causes the inability to find the livecd.sgn. It should be pretty easy to test. HTH! newt
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: vector on August 13, 2011, 06:32:00 pm
The plop problem is due to plop only looking for the old hd format of devices like hda hdb hdc etc. The new kernels and most distributions including Vector subscripe to the new sd format i.e sda sdb sdc etc. So me thinks if someone urges the plop author to include the sd format for devices then it should probably work.

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 14, 2011, 03:36:08 am
The plop problem is due to plop only looking for the old hd format of devices like hda hdb hdc etc. The new kernels and most distributions including Vector subscripe to the new sd format i.e sda sdb sdc etc.

With PLOP-booting I ment the whole proces of booting, loading and running Vector.
The booting part is 100%. Loading VL7 gives a limited prompt and fdisk -l
gives up devices sda1, sda2, sda3 and loop0. So only my harddrive partitions
are seen and NOT the usb-drive where it is booting from.
I don't understand what PLOP has to do with that ?
I always thought the kernel is taking over after booting with plop ..... but I might be
mistaken.....

If I force a limited prompt in VL6 by renaming the livecd.sgn file
and do a fdisk -l it gives up de following devices: hda1, hda2, hda3 and sda1.
No loop0. sda1 is the usb stick I'm normaly booting, loading and running VL6 from.

Friendly Greetings, Compact
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 14, 2011, 06:12:27 am
I see that boot.catalog is part of the El Torito specification.. "This is a 2048 byte file which is of no interest except it is required". Worth a try.

So, VL7 boots to a prompt and you can issue commands? What errors, if any, do you see? What does the "mount" command yield?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 14, 2011, 09:17:43 am
What errors, if any, do you see? What does the "mount" command yield?

I did some typing it over:

These are the errrors with VL6 if I force a command prompt by renaming livecd.sgn:
(VL6 normaly boots; loads and runs fine)

* Starting USB support
* Starting PCMCIA Cardbus support
* Looking for data directory (searching for livecd.sgn file)
Fatal error occured - VL6.0-Light-LIVE data not found.
You are maybe using an unsupported boot device (eg. SCSI or old PCMCIA).
Workaround: Copy the directory VL6.0-Light-LIVE from your boot device to an IDE/SATA
disk, eg. to /mnt/hda1/VL6.0-Light-LIVE or C:\VL6.0-Light-LIVE. Then try to boot again
* Something went wrong and we can't continue. This schould never happen.
* Please reboot your computer with CTRL+ALT+Delete
/# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/root on / type ext2 (ro,errors=continue)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)


These are the errors with VL7:
(VL7 does boot but doesn't fully load and run)

* Starting USB support
* Starting PCMCIA Cardbus support
* Looking for 'VL7.0-Light-Live-A5' data directory (searching for livecd.sgn file)
Fatal error occured - VL7.0-Light-Live-A5 data not found.
You are maybe using an unsupported boot device (eg. SCSI or old PCMCIA).
Workaround: Copy the directory VL7.0-Light-Live-A5 from your boot device to an IDE/SATA
disk, eg. to /mnt/hda1/VL7.0-Light-Live-A5 or C:\VL7.0-Light-Live-A5. Then try to boot again
* Something went wrong and we can't continue. This schould never happen.
* Please reboot your computer with CTRL+ALT+Delete
ash: can't access tty; job control turned off
/# mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/root on / type ext2 (rw,relatime,errors=continue)
devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=65088k,nr_inodes=16272,mode=755)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
/dev/loop0 on /usr type squashfs (ro,noatime)
/dev/loop1 on /lib/modules/2.6.38.7/kernel/drivers type squashfs (ro,noatime)

Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 15, 2011, 01:18:16 am
I installed quite a few more programs from the repos and others and all run
w/o flaw. Wonder why this is still called Alpha? ;)

BTW I changed that Window Remover with xkill in Menu-System to a smaller
xterm and with a red background. I put it as well as an icon on Desktop for
easier access, just one double-click away.

Code: [Select]
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Comment=
DocPath=
Exec= xterm -g 50x12 -bg red -e xkill
Icon=/usr/share/icons/Faenza/apps/scalable/gnome-mines.svg
MimeType=
Name=Kill Window
#GenericName=Quick testing mechanism
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Qt;System;
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 16, 2011, 10:56:40 pm
Installed Firefox -6.0. Running well.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 18, 2011, 05:56:21 am
Wonder why this is still called Alpha? ;)

Yeah. Me too is wondering why this is called Alpha5 if really nothing is running.
At least ..... in my case...... ;)

Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: The Headacher on August 20, 2011, 10:54:01 am
Awesome stuff guys!! I've installed it on my Roboard 110, and it seems to work fine so far.
However, I also tried to install on my laptop (the one in my sig), but it just wouldn't boot it. The error was that the medium could not be found and that I could try putting the iso elsewhere as a cheat (I´m paraphrasing here). If you need some more info, please let me know.

In  the mean time, I'm installing it in a virtual machine, and so far it's nice and fast.

Thanks for making a light VL, I really needed this for my secret project. Oh, alright, I'm building a robot, and I wanted it to be VL powered.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on August 21, 2011, 01:16:59 pm
However, I also tried to install on my laptop (the one in my sig), but it just wouldn't boot it. The error was that the medium could not be found and that I could try putting the iso elsewhere as a cheat (I´m paraphrasing here). If you need some more info, please let me know.

I ambushed The Headacher in IRC and as stated, received further info. Paraphrasing here, the error looks just like Compact's, but a bootloader isn't involved: BIOS boots the internal CD drive. 6 SOHO (much later kernel than 6 Light) sees the drive as sr0.

Thanks to The Headacher for info here and in IRC, and to Compact for the details that really helped me know what to ask.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on August 22, 2011, 08:54:00 pm
After PLOP-booting VL the loading  of Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 stops because VL7 can't find the medium it is booting and loading from. ...

As far as I understand it has something to do with options during the compilation of the kernel.
But my knowledge is too small to help you for I can't compile kernels. ...

This sounds similar to what's required to boot as a loopback .iso file from grub2.

Here is the grub2 block that I'm using:
Code: [Select]
menuentry "Vector Live A5" {
set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
loopback loop /boot/VL7.0-Light-Live-A4.iso
linux (loop)/boot/vmlinuz from=/boot/VL7.0-Light-Live-A4.iso
initrd (loop)/boot/initrd.xz
}

The magic part of this is the "from=", which is a kernel boot param. A large listing of boot parms avail can be found in on the cd/iso at VL7.0-Light-Live-A4/bootparms.txt

I also boot the STD RC2.1 installer iso in a similar method via grub2:
Code: [Select]
menuentry "Vector STD Installer RC2.1 " {
set root='(hd0,msdos1)'
loopback loop /boot/VL7.0-STD-RC2.1.iso
linux (loop)/isolinux/kernel/sata from=VL7.0-STD-RC2.1.iso vga=normal splash=silent load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 rw root=/dev/ram
initrd (loop)/isolinux/init.lz
}

Be wary when using this method to boot the iso, I have noticed anomalies in both systems that might or might not be caused by this boot method. I have further investigation to do before I can determine if this boot method is causing my issues.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Masta on August 22, 2011, 09:25:47 pm
Off, Off... anything I don't use is OFF. well at least for my own system  :)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on August 23, 2011, 10:40:13 am
Off, Off... anything I don't use is OFF. well at least for my own system  :)


Uh oh Masta! The print lovers seem to be catching up!

To the streets, rally the forces! LOL
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Masta on August 23, 2011, 10:36:27 pm
Off, Off... anything I don't use is OFF. well at least for my own system  :)


Uh oh Masta! The print lovers seem to be catching up!

To the streets, rally the forces! LOL

Thanks for the tip, I'll try to make sure my woman misses the rally info  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 27, 2011, 09:30:10 am
After PLOP-booting VL the loading  of Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 stops because VL7 can't find the medium it is booting and loading from

I see the same thing trying to boot from USB stick, where VL6 has no problem.

Edit: Running it live from USB stick now. First (failed) attempt was when trying unetbootin. Then I added it to a bootable flash drive that I've been using for quite some time. It was initially created using instructions for Clonezilla, but it has an easy to edit menu which lets me manually add entries.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: stretchedthin on August 27, 2011, 06:09:02 pm
I've been able to use unetbootin with the vl70 series both live and install.  The trick is to rename init.lz to init.gz.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on August 29, 2011, 01:03:51 pm
Booting Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 from an USB-stick gives no problems here too if booted from an USB-port that is bootable via the mainboard-bios.
But problems do arise if the USB-port is NOT bootable via the mb-bios. I don't think that Plop or Kexec-booting make any difference. Although I still didn't try out kexec-booting.

Friendly Greetings, Compact
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on August 29, 2011, 02:10:27 pm
Services poll showed a preference for not enabling samba by default. Cups was less conclusive, I'll use my double vote to decide that one.  ;D

New poll: Email client - use Opera or add in Sylpheed?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on August 29, 2011, 07:03:50 pm
Sylpheed or its offspring claws-mail? I personally prefer the latter.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Lyn on August 30, 2011, 04:23:04 am
Personally I use  Claws, but for this iso I think we should stick with opera's intergrated client for reasons of space, but recommend Claws as an add on, alternatively if you use say Midori (or how ever you spell it) with java/flash inabled as a lighter replacement then you will need claws or something similar....
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on August 30, 2011, 01:18:50 pm
Personally I use  Claws, but for this iso I think we should stick with opera's intergrated client for reasons of space, but recommend Claws as an add on, alternatively if you use say Midori (or how ever you spell it) with java/flash inabled as a lighter replacement then you will need claws or something similar....

I also agree with just having Opera's email client on the cdrom, since it is already there.

The only thing that would change this, is if opera's client (and opera) use significantly more runtime resources.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on August 31, 2011, 07:49:54 pm
I'm a Sylpheed user and have been waiting for Light 7 to upgrade my old, old Sylpheed version.

Now that you have the background, I too say just leave it at Opera for reasons of space.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on September 02, 2011, 07:27:43 pm
@Compact:
What version of PLOP are you using? I'd like to do some testing and see what I can break.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on September 04, 2011, 04:33:42 pm
What version of PLOP are you using?

I used the latest versions of Plop Boot Manager for PCMCIA-USB.
I just tried to boot with Kexec. But also Kexec will not load and start up VL7.
Same error. So I really think the problem is VL7 itself.

This is what the maker of PLOP BM, Elmar, says about booting distro's from a 'not by mainboard-bios bootable' pcmcia usb drive:
---
when you want to boot a linux distro from a pcmcia usb pccard, then the linux kernel
must have pcmcia/pccard support compiled into the kernel, or the distro has to load the required modules
during bootup. you have to ask the people of the distro to add this feature when you are not able to
boot the distro from the usb pccard. or you compile the kernel by yourself.
---

I think this was well done in VL6 but not in VL7.
Or my knowledge is too simple and short.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Compact on September 08, 2011, 07:27:45 am
So, VL7 boots to a prompt and you can issue commands? What errors, if any, do you see? What does the "mount" command yield?

Why did you ask me ?
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on September 08, 2011, 06:10:54 pm
I asked to get more information, hoping to see if myself or someone else could come up with a solution. Unfortunately, there were no "ah-ha" revelation on my part.  :(
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: OU812 on September 10, 2011, 10:44:49 am
Running from a live cd. Just began testing. Really like the default theme, menu layout, toolbar, and volume control. I like that it's more of a minimal system right now (and hope it stays that way). Great choice of apps. The few I've tried work well (vlc, wicd, opera, and grsync). Did not do any upgrades, but ran gslapt, did an update, and searched for several packages. Like the icewm quick config.

I was interested in using an app I've read about - some sort of tool for porting arch's aur packages. Wanted to try it on something like cdw, but couldn't find the vl tool.

Don't really care about single/double click. Don't use email clients. It makes sense to use opera's email client though.

The only rough spot I've found is that I chose "Manage Printing" from the System menu, but nothing seemed to happen.

Great looking distro.

john
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on September 12, 2011, 02:33:14 pm
Benchmarks of several versions of Opera vs Firefox show Opera falling in an inferior position in terms of memory management. Tomhardware benchmarks consistantly exhibit this in both Windows and OSX (I don't think Toms does/has any Linux benchmarks).

Since it looks like Opera's integrated features like email won't be defaults, how about the idea of taking Opera off of the Light cd altogether? Anyone that really likes Opera can of course install from the repos, and its removal will keep more consistent with the nature of Light.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on September 12, 2011, 05:56:31 pm
Benchmarks of several versions of Opera vs Firefox show Opera falling in an inferior position in terms of memory management. Tomhardware benchmarks consistantly exhibit this in both Windows and OSX (I don't think Toms does/has any Linux benchmarks).

Since it looks like Opera's integrated features like email won't be defaults, how about the idea of taking Opera off of the Light cd altogether? Anyone that really likes Opera can of course install from the repos, and its removal will keep more consistent with the nature of Light.

And use the browser Midori instead. I do like it and use it more and more.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on September 12, 2011, 08:08:22 pm
If I remember right, Light6 came shipped with one tiny GUI browser and one full GUI browser. A couple of good choices to fill these niches could be Midori and one of the Chromium offshoots(Iron or ChromePlus?). Since the Chromium browsers as well as Midori use webkit, possibly a default other than Midori could be considered?

Kazehakase is very light and runs either Gecko or Webkit renderers.

Dillo2 has been redesigned in 2008 to use FLTK instead of GTK and saw a memory footprint improvement of 50%. Wikipedia even has this to say about Dillo: "Dillo is, however, the browser of choice in several space-conscious Linux distributions, such as Damn Small Linux[34], Feather Linux[35], VectorLinux[36], antiX[31] and Mustang Linux[31]." I don't see any info on what Dillo uses for a rendering engine.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 13, 2011, 08:58:28 am
Dillo is pretty useless for anyone doing serious Web browsing. It doesn't do flash or multimedia and can't do various logins. It's okay for browsing mainly text Web sites but not much else. I think it should be left out and left up to the user to install if such minimal Web use is what they're happy with.

I'm personally wary of Chromium because I don't want to further Google's dominance of the online world.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: pierce.jason on September 13, 2011, 01:47:44 pm
I meant including one full featured browser and one minimal browser. Dillo or Kaze or Midori filling the later slot.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on September 13, 2011, 06:40:43 pm
Dillo 3 has been released. Will need FLTK 1.3 to build. Haven't looked at it. Wouldn't include a minimal browser unless it were highly capable and what it lacks could be filled in with other small apps. The idea is to have something ready-to-go out of the box, even if not exactly to taste.

A text-mode browser may be desirable or a necessity in some cases; but a graphical "minimal browser" alone, alongside a larger browser, is just a waste of space that could be used to add real functionality.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: Pita on September 13, 2011, 07:35:22 pm
Dillo 3 works just fine. I could not imagining using the web without Dillo. One has to learn how to use it. 80 % of my browsing is done with it. And no silly ads disturbing my viewing. All my posting here is done with it. :)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: nightflier on September 15, 2011, 08:53:12 am
Looks like email client is no hot button, results attached.

Lots more opinions on browser, let's have a vote on that. So far, space is not a big concern on the ISO.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: scififry on September 15, 2011, 09:35:09 am
Firefox as the main browser, Dillo as the small graphical one, and Lynx is very useful for SSH.
Having a little selection of browsers directly without installing ones afterwards is pretty fine :)
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on October 16, 2011, 09:42:35 pm
In a pcmanfm file manager window, "open folder as root" works fine with out-of-the-box CD, but installing updates breaks it. IIRC, it worked OK after update 1, but not when update 2 was installed, not sure.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: scififry on October 20, 2011, 11:47:08 am
Installed onto the Pent2 350MHz 320MB RAM after doing the upgrade. Installation took only 32 minutes; working fine so far.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback--- guys, sorry this s/b beta 2
Post by: billshere on October 22, 2011, 04:36:03 am
Greetings,
Don't know how much help I can be, but as an end user I shall give my experince with the new Vector 7.

I am IMPRESSED with its speed!

I like to test candidates for my netbook Asus Eee 1015px as a Live CD on my main big box. It is my feeling that with the constraints imposed by a CD drive that a closer approxmation will be achieved in the performance of an install for the netbook using a Live CD.

1) Was not able to fully access the hard drive, limiting the ability to open the files within. I was able to get to items that were not within a folder.
2) Music: .wav and .mp3 played without errors!
3) Pictures : .jpg, Yay! Outstanding, very quick!
4) 401 KB File on desktop : was not able to open.
Error creating mount point : no such file or directory
5) USB stick 2G, Kingston, same error, no file or directory.
5a) Used Gslapt to upgrade all. No change in the above error.
5b) Downloaded USB View.
Error : Can not open the file /proc/bus/usb/devices.
6) Used Disk utility : Peripheral Devices, clicked USB, none shown.
6a) Note, bottom left of panel scrolling to the bottom showed the Kingston stick and the 401 KB File.
Error is the same for both when attempted to mount : Error monting volume while performing an operation the operation failed.
7) Tried all the above as root.

Hope that helps! I am looking very much forward to this being ready for prime time! Go Vector!

Equipment used : emaxx mb 785 series, Athlon 3 core 2.9 Ghz, 2 g ram
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on October 23, 2011, 11:58:46 am
Elinks fails to display several webpages. For example, google displays fine, but not duckduckgo. Many more like this. Probably something in the config.

edit - This occurs in STD RC 3.4 and apparently VL 64 too, so posted to 3.4 bug thread with a little more info.

I did notice that elinks honors most of the command line options from lynx. I have several scripts which use lynx, but if it's just a matter of applying sed s/lynx/elinks/g to the scripts in ~/bin, no problem. Need it to work, though.
Title: Re: Vector Linux 7.0 Light Live Alpha 5 feedback
Post by: roarde on October 23, 2011, 12:13:26 pm
On package dependencies:
Many or most of the packages recently released for testing will fail due to unmet dependencies. This is due to version differences between the STD version the packages are being built on -- usually the most recent RC -- and older test-releases like 7 Light Live A5. This should clear up when STD goes final and the others are updated to reference STD's newly stable buildbase.

Ignoring dependencies and installing anyway often works, but be careful.

I ignored a version dependency (had a slightly older version installed) to upgrade Firefox to 7.0.1, and that seems to work.