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Title: Movie rant
Post by: askfor on April 08, 2016, 04:36:57 am
This is not related to Vector Linux, but to watching movies in browser on Linux.

At the moment I need 3 different browsers to watch content that I like. It doesn't seem normal, at least not to me.

There is some older stuff for which I need Java browser plugin, an the only browser which supports it is Firefox.

If I try to watch some newer content in Firefox, there is a problem. By newer I mean HTML5/MP4 videos which play in browser without plugin. Firefox is built with old Gstreamer 0.1. support, and, as a result I've got no sound. When I disable Gstreamer in about:config, sound is back, but frame rate drops to the point where it is not possible to watch. Also, Firefox has outdated Flash plugin, which doesn't help..

So, I use Google-Chrome. Most of the newer content is optimized for Chrome, because it is most widely used browser. However if connection to a server is less then perfect, Chrome aborts playing on first sign of trouble.

So, there is new Opera with Webkit engine. It is more robust than Chrome, but when I try to skip playback forward, it takes forever.

I don't know how it works on Windows or Mac. I suppose it isn't much better on BSD's. Still, having to have 3  different browsers to watch few movies is not my idea of normal.

I'd like to hear what other people think and to they have similar problems.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: sledgehammer on April 08, 2016, 07:25:33 am
I think you watch too many movies. 

just kidding.  Chome works for me. Give me the url of something you can't play on chrome so I can try it.

Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: askfor on April 09, 2016, 01:01:58 am
True, I probably do watch too many movies. My health isn't so good lately, so I have to stay indoors more than I want to.

True, again, majority of sites are optimized for Chrome. However, sometimes the connection isn't great and Chrome cowardly aborts. I am watching old "Hell on Wheels", and server response isn't always great. Additionally, I need subtitles, because I am not a native English speaker. I can watch without subs, but it takes additional effort from me and spoils the fun. PenguinSubtitlePlayer is a great help, but it is awkward when you need to skip forward or backwards. So, sometimes I download the movie and find subs elsewhere. However, download isn't always available, so one needs additional browser plugins for that and it doesn't always work.

Also, I watch old "Star Trek Voyager", and it requires Java plugin. Latest Chrome, which I installed with SlackBuild, can't play it

Many sites require something called 'gkplugins', which is available only with SpiderMonkey or TamperMonkey installed.  I mean, a simple thing such as movie playback is turned into rocket science. I suspect Windows users are not in luck, either. I don't know how it is on Mac.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: roarde on April 09, 2016, 12:28:29 pm
FWIW, in most cases the BSD's are either emulating Linux and using those tools, or using Wine. So you can stop "supposing" -- it's even more indirect and harder on a BSD.

What this implies is that so long as the film distributors' current business model lasts, it's impossible to create any new operating systems and have them adopted unless you're Google. Not even Apple could do an entirely new one without this being changed.

While we all rant about this, myself included, we should keep grepping the Fortune 500 list for "Nina Paley". What we'll get for this effort is a current drain, some exercise of the hardware, and a return code of "not found". So what's your (my) plan?
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: roarde on April 09, 2016, 01:00:17 pm
It would be informative for users of other OSen to track the version number changes in the Linux NPAPI ("our") plugin. Here, The Unholy Vendor cannot claim "new features" or a "better experience". There is no further development for this interface, per se, just bugfixes and required security updates. And look at how very often it changes. Buggy and very insecure. We are not only at risk, we've been had several times over. That fact is becoming better published to the world at large, but should be more emphasized among the userbase of popular streaming services.

And bear in mind that PPAPI ("Chrome") and every other interface will be getting these changes, and more. And they're not done just for fun.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: nightflier on April 10, 2016, 09:26:35 am
Pardon me if this could be viewed as hijacking the thread, but since it is labeled "rant"...

My issue is the opposite. I want no video or animations in Firefox. I realize that ads pay for much of the content on the Internet, and I do not mind non-invasive advertising. However, autoplay crosses the line. Few things are more annoying than webpages shoving loud, obnoxious and bandwidth gobbling videos into your browser, especially if it is in a non-active tab.

At least in the "good old days", flash was the devil you knew, and using flashblock left you with a quiet browsing experience without blocking all ads. Lately, I have not been able to make it so. Even with all kinds of tweaks, there are autoplay video ads.

I use the Yahoo News page: https://www.yahoo.com/news/ for testing. Not because I want to read it, but because it seems to be one of the most persistently annoying sites out there. I install addons which are supposed to control it, but it seems to adapt to whatever you throw at it. It may be quiet the first visit after installing a new extension, but it soon figures out how to penetrate your defense.

The only thing that seems to work is the nuclear option: a full blown adblocker. I would prefer to not go that far. If anyone have recommendations for FF modifications to achieve relative peace without going underground, please share.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: wigums on April 10, 2016, 12:28:12 pm
does setting this to false in ff help nightflier?

Code: [Select]
media.autoplay.enabled
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: macondo on April 10, 2016, 02:30:37 pm
this is what i installed in my box #2 freebsd 10.3, with FF45 works ok.
(http://thumbnails114.imagebam.com/47713/4f7cd9477128945.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/4f7cd9477128945)
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: sledgehammer on April 10, 2016, 02:54:12 pm
Macondo,

I can't find YouTube all html5 in chrome. Only in firefox.  Any thoughts on how to get it are appreciated.  I prefer using Chrome

Version 48.0.2564.97 (64-bit) but might ought to switch to firefox.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: roarde on April 10, 2016, 04:28:04 pm
Google has reasoned that 32-bit users need even more challenge: They have stopped offering 32-bit versions of Chrome. Some streaming sites have Chrome as their only possible access method for viewing movies using Linux. Can it be done otherwise? Yes. Customize chromium until it, too, fails. Who would have time to watch a movie?

Is there anyone out there who actually wants me to look at their content?
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: roarde on April 10, 2016, 05:02:56 pm
@sledgehammer: visit https://www.youtube.com/html5  See how many boxes are checked, and which. Html5 on youtube has been Chrome's default for quite a while. You may be using it and not noticing. The screens look very similar.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: macondo on April 10, 2016, 05:43:55 pm
sledgehammer:
You're talking to the wrong guy, I hate Google and everything it stands for.I use DDG.

I used Chrome(ium) for a couple of days, it was like eating fried eggs rolled in sand.

The privacy issue was bad, you have to erase your history everyday at the end of the day. Sorry.
(macondo puts on his aluminum foil hat again)
Besides, no vimperator...just vimium.

PS: youtubeallhtml5 is great on movies, not just videos.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: sledgehammer on April 11, 2016, 12:30:36 am
Macando

Quote
I hate Google and everything it stands for.

Why? 

Firefox fired its president because he supported some political thing several years ago.  Can't we express opinions, even it not politically correct? What are we coming to?

John
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: nightflier on April 11, 2016, 03:57:17 am
does setting this to false in ff help nightflier?

Code: [Select]
media.autoplay.enabled

It helps. I combined that with Flashblock, Ghostery and Privacy Badger. That will do for now :)
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: retired1af on April 11, 2016, 04:22:17 am

Why? 

Firefox fired its president because he supported some political thing several years ago.  Can't we express opinions, even it not politically correct? What are we coming to?

John

Eich was not fired. He resigned.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/

Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: macondo on April 11, 2016, 06:14:46 am
Hi sledge: this is not personal or political or not being able to express views that go contrary to somebody else's.

It's about invasion of privacy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/united-states-of-secrets/#video-2
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: sledgehammer on April 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
Thanks Macondo.

I have watched about half of the frontline story and can see why you are not happy with Google.  The implication is that firefox does not forward info to the government, but Google does.  I hope I have that right.

Anyway, I will switch over to firefox, at least for a while.  If I don't like it I will try Konqueror or opera.
Title: Re: Movie rant
Post by: nightflier on April 14, 2016, 07:14:56 am
Anyway, I will switch over to firefox, at least for a while.  If I don't like it I will try Konqueror or opera.

I regularly use FF, Seamonkey, Chromium and Google-Chrome. Each one is configured differently, from paranoid to promiscuous, and which one I use depends on where I go on the 'net. Doing product research in one and on-line ordering in another confuses tracking software, reducing spam. If I absolutely have to watch that hilarious cat video, I'll use google-chrome.

Konqueror does not seem to have kept up with the times, but it is okay for very basic sites. If you're okay with closed source Opera, its offspring Vivaldi is worth a look. I'm using it right now and it's fun to see some new energy in the browser field.  ;D