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The Vectorian Lounge => The Lounge => Topic started by: exeterdad on July 22, 2007, 11:45:35 am

Title: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 22, 2007, 11:45:35 am
Not trying to get too personal. But I often wonder what other Linux users do for a living.  People are quite surprised or even shocked that I'm a Geek for fun.  I guess I don't fit the profile.

I'm a carpenter. I've been one for about 17 years. No college.

I'm curious what the majority of Linux users are.  I know many are students, some retired.  But what is your career?  Or what was, or will be your career?
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 22, 2007, 11:55:49 am
Me, probably sys admin or computer programmer. None can really say. It's almost as likely I'll end up as a translator or something.

No shame in being a carpenter of course.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: lagagnon on July 22, 2007, 12:04:40 pm
petroleum geologist, but now basically retired!  :)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Megamieuwsel on July 22, 2007, 12:09:02 pm
Welder/fitter/whatever-it-is-you-want-to-be-done-with-steel...
College-level mechanical engineering up my belt, but entered the job-market at the wrong time....
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 22, 2007, 12:18:44 pm
Welder/fitter/whatever-it-is-you-want-to-be-done-with-steel...
College-level mechanical engineering up my belt, but entered the job-market at the wrong time....

I wish I could do really practical stuff like that. But I helped wire a house once. :)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: easuter on July 22, 2007, 12:39:50 pm
Well, I'm a student during most of the year (starting college soon in about two months from now). During my summer holidays I work (3 months - yeah, the school holidays are that long here!).

3 years ago I worked at a goat farm; 2 years ago I worked on a construction site ("servente de pedreiro" was my job, not sure what the same is in english); last year I worked at a recycling plant separating metals, this year I'm working at the same place but at their warehouse (logistical stuff). I'm also distributing fliers for the local pizzaria after I get out from my "main" job.

Basically, I do whatever job I can to earn some $$$. ;)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: The Headacher on July 22, 2007, 02:05:05 pm
I'm currently (still) studying mechanical engineering. I have been away for 1.5 years assembling packaging machines (http://www.jasa.nl/index.php?module=machines&optID=51), but didn't like working assembling too much and continued studying (soon after that they fired a lot of people). I've worked parttime for a small engineering company after I had an internship there, making 3D models in Autocad and using those in Finite Elements Analysis calculations. When they didn't need me any more I did some crude metal work (also parrtime), you know, sawing, welding, grinding, that sort of stuff. Now I'm a full time student again.

I'm not quite sure what I want to do when I (finally!) finish, but you can bet it's going to be something with calculations. I hope to do some programming too, but I have to admit I don't have much knowledge and experience in that department yet. I'm working on that though :).
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: rbistolfi on July 22, 2007, 04:02:09 pm
well, here we go. My father is a mechanical engineer, so I went to the technical school hoping to study the same at college. Then I meet math, physics and that stuff from that great professor. So I started to read about that, ended with a epistemological interest. I went to the college to study philosophy. I am still there, at my 30's, because... well, life is weird here sometimes. I go to classes when I can, and I make a few exams per year (the college is pretty different here, the state one is the better, and you can do almost what you want, everything but killing a professor). I help some professors there too, as a non-paid job. In paralell, I work for our very small family factory. We make cars spare parts. I am the welder. We have several machines of different kinds, I dont know their names in english, but you can figure out, everything to kill a piece of steel. I weld 200 pieces per day. Of course, I administrate the few computers we have too, and our website.
My four month little daughter hangs with me in the workshop two times a week, her mother Vanesa works too, at the mall. So I am a substitute-mother some times  :). At the end of the day, at home, I do some web developing for extra money, most of the time php, and flash when I cant convince the client about the opposite, but I needed an extra box at work, so, that is paused for now.
then, some time for the family, I am trying to learn everything I can about music, and then I hang with a freaky linux community  ;D.

EDIT: That sound nice, guys, I like the carpenters (and all  biblic professions) welders, engineers and programmers. Translators are in the top five of my list.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: hata_ph on July 22, 2007, 06:18:47 pm
I live in Malaysia and I work as a Technician/Helpdesk to a semi-conductor factory. My main function is to maintain hardware and trouble-shoot software problem. My factory mainly using wind@ws based OS. Some servers are UNIX-based OS for operational. :)

I started to use Linux especially VL because I want to try something else beside Wind@ws. But now I seldom use it because don't have internal network and broadband connection but will plan to setup this August. :P
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: retired1af on July 22, 2007, 08:22:54 pm
Data support for a major telecommunications company.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Kocil on July 22, 2007, 08:38:27 pm
I'm a lecturer, teaching programming, digital & computer systems, instrumentation and control.
I also the head of computer facility on my department.
My university has a campuss agrement with M$ for using the Windows, Office, and .NET.
However, I abuse my position to install VL on half of the computers in my lab :)


Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 22, 2007, 09:05:59 pm
I am basically retired now. In 1989 I started a small nonprofit organization and devoted most of my time to it until 2005, when I started a slow process of retirement. Finding people to do all the jobs I did is difficult. I hope to hand over all responsibilities by this fall. I'll continue to work on our newsletter and informational publications.

I learned most of what I know about computers and software out of necessity, so that I could do the jobs that needed to be done for the nonprofit. A major responsibility was putting out a newsletter and several informational brochures, pamphlets, and booklets. In order to do a good job, I completed a graphic design certificate through a noncredit adult program of the local university. I also did publications and newsletters for a related national group. I resigned from that several years ago, as it was extremely time consuming.

In college I majored in Latin. I taught high-school Latin for a couple of years. I also worked for two years as an editorial proofreader for a legal publishing firm. That was a very painstaking, detail-oriented job and included far more than finding typos. This was long before computers were used in the office workplace.

I was a stay-at-home mom for many years. Twenty years ago I completed a Master of Arts degree in biblical studies, which probably led to my being a religious skeptic today.<g>

I first started using a computer in 1987. My son, then in high school, and I decided to take a summer word processing course at a community college. I wasn't in the class for more than five minutes when I thought this was the most wonderful thing I'd ever seen! Being able to make small changes, move paragraphs around, and keep several alternative versions without having to retype the whole thing seemed miraculous--especially considering that everything I wrote in college and graduate school was done on a manual typewriter. In a week we had our own computer, a Tandy 1000SX with 384K of RAM and two 5-1/4-inch floppy disk drives.

I started using Linux in 2000 or so, mainly out of curiosity. The first distro I used was Mandrake and back then, it wasn't all that good. I finally got fed up with it and removed it from my computer. Then I went into a period where old computers kept coming into my life--my son's law firm upgraded their computers and gave the old ones to employees and eventually it came to me. My daughter-in-law got a new computer and gave me the old one. And so forth. I also had a "real" computer for my real work. I decided to try Linux again on the old computers. Eventually I got tired of that, too. It wasn't until I put Linux on a good computer that I really started to like it. Now I have it on all three of my computers and use it far more than XP.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: |nic| on July 23, 2007, 03:52:20 am
I work as a file administrator for a credit management company. I'm doing this job for the last 9 months now. Before that I studied economics.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Freeman on July 23, 2007, 05:18:45 am
I do something similar like |nic|, being Credit Control for an international company as-well as responsible for a new software suite we intend to use.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: carsten on July 23, 2007, 07:41:25 am
Marine engineer working for the a classification society http://www.gl-group.com/maritime/fleet/3588.htm (http://www.gl-group.com/maritime/fleet/3588.htm)
Using Linux on private basis at home since OS/2 abandomed the HO from SO
Carsten
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Rusty Guy on July 23, 2007, 09:29:33 am
I've a pretty mixed a background: credit collection, nurse, shipper/receiver, janitor, marine and small equipment mechanic, vocational counsellor, teacher, researcher, newspaper advertising sales, graphic design. Right now I teach the occasional basic computer course, do low level computer maintenance and office admin for a non-profit. On the side I do some editing, computer or small business related consulting and do boatbuilding on the side. I got interested in Linux via a friend who started the local Linux group. Our organization sometimes gets later model computers without operating systems and I've been looking at Linux for these machines. Vector's ability to work on these oldies first attracted me. Been very happy so far but I'm still a newbie.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 23, 2007, 11:07:07 am
Licensed Electrician, now working as a purchasing office for an electrical contractor corporation

Dont use vl at work, but on a private basis.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 23, 2007, 11:35:29 am
Medical doctor and missionary (AIDS work and helped establish a church in South Africa); as for computing well, my youngest used to call me (when she was only 3-4 years old) a "pitter head" (baby talk for computer geek).
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on July 23, 2007, 01:38:36 pm
Currently a call centre drone, dealing with billing issues, in bound calls..... not very exciting.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: nightflier on July 23, 2007, 06:46:39 pm
Airline Pilot. Priority air freight, mainly overnight shipping.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: fuzzybud on July 23, 2007, 08:38:35 pm
Late 1964 I got a job on a research ship that worked in Antarctic waters. I worked in the engine room as a wiper, the lowest position. I liked that job so well I looked for another ship after that first year. Thirty three years later I retired with a first engineer's license. In December of '79 I worked on a tanker and the chief engineer had a Radio Shack Model One computer. Soon after I got off that ship I bought one just like it. I followed the instructions to set it up and then said, Now what? I lost count of the number of computers I've owned over the years, more than fifty. It has been a great hobby. I haven't programmed since those first years when most computer users learned basic and some of us learned assembly language, Forth, Tiny C, and a little Pascal. It was a great adventure between ships.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: nubcnubdo on July 23, 2007, 09:21:32 pm
Long on education, short on employment.  Four-year degree in liberal arts, three AAS technology degrees (two years each): Chemical Technology, Electronics Engr Technology, Mechanical Engr Technology. Trained in assembly programming on Apple II (Motorola 6800/6809) in early 80s. Mowed lawns and landscaped for a decade and didnt get interested in computers again until Windows 95 and the Internet. Today, I refurbish computers and televisions, sell them locally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPAgfRRH7LI
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: wcs on July 24, 2007, 04:33:51 am
Doing a PhD in Psycholinguistics, which should be finished soon...  I hope at least.
After that, who knows, but I plan to keep doing research and perhaps teaching.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 24, 2007, 04:52:43 am
I'm a porn star ... my screen name is Buck Naked.  ;)

Here are the jobs I've had, in order:  newsboy, lawn mowing, snow shoveling, grounds keeper, assistant librarian, proofreader at a newspaper, PR rep in a communications firm, fund raising, high school teacher.  My undergrad degree is in philosophy, with a minor in Greek.  Right now I teach the philosophy of science to high school freshmen and sophomores, mostly focusing the examples on physics because that's what I'm most interested in.  The idea of teaching the philosophy of science to high schoolers is that if you don't know anything about the scientific method and how it was developed, then the sciences you study will just seem like a jumble of data and theories.  In the school district where I teach this was introduced because many parents were pushing for Intelligent Design to be taught along side Darwin's theory of the origin of species by natural selection, and the school board and other educators were worried that if we didn't teach people how to think scientifically, they wouldn't be able to distinguish between unscientific ideas (Intelligent Design, palm reading, homeopathy) and real science.  We're only two years in now, but I think it's going well.  At the end of the year most of the kids realize that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, men don't have one fewer rib than women, and that Noah couldn't possibly have fit dinosaurs on his Ark.

In our spare time my girlfriend and I sell antiques on eBay.  I also work on my computer and those of friends and family members, most of whom are slowly coming around to Linux (because most of the work I do for them is removing viruses and other malware).  No complaints yet about VL.  I really can't afford to donate to Vector, but everyone who gets Vector from me asks how much it costs.  I tell them it's free of charge, and then they think I bootlegged it.  Once I convince them it's actually free of charge, I suggest they go to the web site and make a donation.  I don't know if they have, but I hope so.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: metvas on July 24, 2007, 08:29:13 am
Started out delivering goods after the high school experience passed. Loved those years as I played Rugby and we won the Black Shield a few years in a row. We had a student exchange one year I was from the sweat hogs, they from an upper middle class area. They were shocked that most of us wore the same clothes more than one day in a row. That stuck with me and still does today. So it was back to College trained in Steel Design and Detail. After that went into steel sales during the family growing years that was the focus. Then back for more training as a Structural Engineer. That combined with my knowledge of steel brought me to a place were I could consult building planners on ground densification. That would be the piers you see holding up a bridge or the base of a building. This is so we do not have to many Leaning Towers of Pizza. Although there are a few, well hidden and never discussed. Then more training in industrial lubrication. Now I consult on contract. Work for maybe a week straight then a week off or so. Started with computers late about when I met Robert 1988-89. Never looked back. My extended family adores my computer skills. Why? It is FREE labour and parts, can’t beat that.
Favourite saying, “Don’t go near the lions cage”, it was built by the low bidder!
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: lagagnon on July 24, 2007, 08:47:34 am
... In the school district where I teach this was introduced because many parents were pushing for Intelligent Design to be taught along side Darwin's theory of the origin of species by natural selection, and the school board and other educators were worried that if we didn't teach people how to think scientifically, they wouldn't be able to distinguish between unscientific ideas (Intelligent Design, palm reading, homeopathy) and real science

I am relieved to hear your school board actually think rather than believe! Also, it is fantastic to hear of the teaching you are doing there - well done!
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: dawnsboy on July 24, 2007, 09:36:36 am
I spent a lot of years at sea on the North Atlantic in my first life.  Then I re-invented myself and entered the healthcare professions.

I am a Respiratory Therapist.  Respiratoy Therapy is a life saving and life sustaining profession that includes airway disease state management, emergency response to emergency room and code blue patients, operation and management of mechanical ventilators (respirators) in the ICU and long term care settings.  We are able to assess patient status, make recommendations for treatment, deliver treatment once prescribed and evaluate patient response to therapy.  We are an adjunct to the nursing profession.  Nurses are the backbone of the health system here in the United States and I believe there would be no point in having doctors, respiratory therapists or any other allied health team member without nursing.

So as you can see I must have picked the right job for me because I'm just so darned pleased to talk about it  ;).

I was dragged into use of computers kicking and screaming.  I had a strong distrust of these new and awesome technologies.  My first computer was a Commodore 64.  I acquired it in 1998.  No that is not a typo.  It was demonstrated by an older gentleman who still used them.  He sold me one, made home delivery, setup, training and software sales (cheap). I figured out how to get it online with a 1200 baud modem using the services of a modern internet provider.  After that I bought a 486 with windows 3.1. 

I started tearing down computers I found in garage sales and good will stores.  Then I began to sell bits and pieces on the internet.   I discovered linux in 1999 after my wife gave me p1 200 MHz windows 98 computer.   I tried Red Hat 5.2 but found it to difficult to use without benefit of more linux knowledge.  I migrated to Mandrake 7.1.  By that time I kept two different computers, one with windows to use and one with linux to learn on.  Eventually I tumbled to VL around the time of version 3.2 and I began to use Vector Linux as my everyday OS.  It was then that I was able to really begin to properly learn and use linux.  I always had an affinity for command line functions due to my ongoing interest in Commodore computers (I still have two of those.  One is used, the other is brand new in the box).  I do not personally own a windows box.  I have compiled the  most recent version of WINE on VL 5.8 for the occasional use of a windows program or two.

I hope to do something professionally with computers in the future as my ability to run up and down the stairwells and hallways of healthcare facilities begins to wane with age.  Especially since Linux is so much fun to work with.  I would be pleased to see more enterprise systems make the switch to Linux.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 24, 2007, 03:05:01 pm
Thanks lagagnon!  Personally I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic, but I'm also a fervent believer that a teacher's personal religious beliefs have no place in a public-funded classroom.  Also, my parents taught me a respect for science and the discoveries of science along with raising me in the Roman Catholic Church.  Furthermore, here in Missouri there are a lot of fundamentalists, so if we let them push the thin edge of the wedge into the classroom on one thing, before you know it all science and sex education would be gone, and they would be burning books that they don't like.  Also, there would be school prayer, and it would be Protestant prayer, which would not be to the liking of us Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, and so on.  And so the school board thinks it's best to keep the religion out completely.  I'm in full agreement with them.  Also, whenever one of my students asks me about my religious beliefs, I tell them that's not relevant to the subject matter we're studying, and if someone else has a question which is relevant, please ask.  So I've been under suspicion of atheism from the parents for some time now.  Fortunately I'm still protected by the "free expression of religion" clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, so they can't do a damn thing about it.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 24, 2007, 08:15:50 pm
Personally I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic, but I'm also a fervent believer that a teacher's personal religious beliefs have no place in a public-funded classroom.
This seems to be somewhat of a contradiction. I suspect the tenets of your Catholic faith would have you "practice" differently. Perhaps I am wrong though as I not a Catholic scholar.

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Furthermore, here in Missouri there are a lot of fundamentalists, so if we let them push the thin edge of the wedge into the classroom on one thing, before you know it all science and sex education would be gone, and they would be burning books that they don't like.
This seems odd on a Linux forum where people seem to complain about FUD as it is just that. What science are you referring to? To say that the theory of evolution is fact is another contradiction. It is not fact and is no better supported by science than Intelligent Design. Both have holes in them. Which do you choose to believe (oops there's that faith subject again).
If you are also suggesting that lifelong, monogamous sex is bad education then you don't know the facts about sex. Just because people don't like to acknowledge consequences resultant from promiscuity doesn't mean that removing restraint is the best choice. People make choices and leaving out part of the information is not good education. Ignoring part of the information would include them in the same "backward thinking" that you seem to have put those fundamentalists.

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Also, there would be school prayer, and it would be Protestant prayer, which would not be to the liking of us Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, and so on.
Perhaps the "fundamentalists" you speak of would want prayer to fit their belief system but considering that the majority of the public population in these United States calls themselves Christian (not Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, and so on) I think it's interesting that you would be opposed to what the public wants who fund the school you work at. But again because these United States are a Republic and not a Democracy you get the voice of a minority (Atheists) removing any opportunity for anyone's prayer to be school sponsored.

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And so the school board thinks it's best to keep the religion out completely.  I'm in full agreement with them.
Perhaps you could ask them why, in the interests of education. The likely answer would not be something most would accept in any other aspect of their life. They (the school board) don't want religion (Protestant in particular) because someone would alert the ACLU or other such group and the school board would be sued and probably lose a great deal of money. But consider something a bit less obtrusive to life such as computers. The minority group Microsoft has the power to control the market. They have done so to the disdain of some. Many on this forum and other's like it don't particularly appreciate it and would like others more influentual then they are to stand up to what they feel the majority of computer users really want (interpreted as NOT Microsoft). Thus MS "keeps" other OSes from getting significant market share; a misinterpretation of Thomas Jefferson keeps prayer out of schools.
What you have said is that you are a lifelong, practicing Catholic...except at your school.

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Fortunately I'm still protected by the "free expression of religion" clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, so they can't do a damn thing about it.
So you would use what you disagree with to support your opinion? The constitution was penned by men who were willing to die for the right to be Protestant. They were lifelong, practicing Protestants and their Biblical beliefs invaded every part of their life including the documents that we in the USA hold very dear.

While this forum (even in the lounge) may not be the best place for this discussion what you believe is your choice and your choice to voice those beliefs are fine too but you have to know that those beliefs are based in faith of something. To say that Christianity denies science is erroneous and to say that science disproves Christianity is foolish. For the "scientific" mind to discount something based on current knowledge and theory is arrogant as science had never been very good at predicting the future. And lastly, to ignore spiritual issues in the name of science will doom society as history has revealed often (what was the last war over scientific beliefs...)

Of course who am I to question a teacher?

FWIW,
Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 24, 2007, 09:34:23 pm
Them's fightin' words, mikecindi.<g>

To say that the theory of evolution is fact is another contradiction. It is not fact and is no better supported by science than Intelligent Design. Both have holes in them. Which do you choose to believe (oops there's that faith subject again).

I'm not an anthropologist and will leave that argument to those who have the necessary scientific background. But in NO WAY is Intelligent Design science and therefore it does not belong in a science curriculum. Intelligent Design is yet another manifestation of "The God of the Gaps." If someone thinks he/she cannot explain something by scientific evidence, he/she says "it must be God's doing." The Gaps are an ever-narrowing set. We no longer think thunder is God and the angels bowling in heaven. We no longer think there is a drought because we didn't offer the proper sacrifices. We no longer think we're sick because our mother cursed God. We now have verifiable scientific explanations for these phenomena. But because we don't understand precisely how life developed, some are very quick to say "it's too complicated; it must be God's doing." Why not simply say "we don't yet know"? Those who want to believe it's God's doing are certainly free to believe that, but many of the rest of us are content to wait for explanations that do not rely on supernaturalism.

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Perhaps the "fundamentalists" you speak of would want prayer to fit their belief system but considering that the majority of the public population in these United States calls themselves Christian (not Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, and so on) I think it's interesting that you would be opposed to what the public wants who fund the school you work at.

This is called the tyranny of the majority and is what the Bill of Rights and US Constitution are designed to protect against. The US is a secular society according to our Constitution and a long history of jurisprudence. Freedom of religion also means freedom *from* religion. There is no such thing as a Universal Prayer. Such a prayer would have no content whatever and thus would be an empty gesture. And yes, those who do NOT believe in God are just as much a part of society as those who do. Numbers don't matter, freedom of/from religion does. Public prayer in a school implies that the government endorses being religious. This is not a decision government can make. People are free to say their own private prayers at any time they want, but those prayers should not be endorsed by a public body like a school.

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Perhaps you could ask them why, in the interests of education. The likely answer would not be something most would accept in any other aspect of their life. They (the school board) don't want religion (Protestant in particular) because someone would alert the ACLU or other such group and the school board would be sued and probably lose a great deal of money.

And thank goodness for that! Otherwise we'd be on our way to the Christian Talibanization of American society. Actually, we'd be already there. Anyone for Salem witch trials again? This time we could burn the gays, too.

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What you have said is that you are a lifelong, practicing Catholic...except at your school.

If being a "practicing anything" means you have to promote and even impose your beliefs in every sphere of life, what do you do when those who believe something else become the majority? How would you feel about living under Shariah law? Freedom of religion/freedom from religion does not rely on head counts.

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The constitution was penned by men who were willing to die for the right to be Protestant. They were lifelong, practicing Protestants and their Biblical beliefs invaded every part of their life including the documents that we in the USA hold very dear.

God is not mentioned in the US Constitution. Many of the founding fathers were Deists.

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to say that science disproves Christianity is foolish

But reasoning does. Example: Because of the sin of one couple, all humans ever to be born were doomed to enmity with God. Now, what kind of God would do such a thing? Would you inflict eternal damnation on your grandchildren and all descendents because your son offended you?

Why did God create humans in the first place? If it was to share eternal life with them, why not create them directly in heaven? Why have them on earth at all? Why put them to a test first--a test many will fail? And why unleash a devil on them, making it even harder for them to act the way God presumably wants humans to act? And since this devil will ultimately be vanquished by God, why not vanquish the devil now? Why not 3000 years ago? Why continue this cruel game?

And why would you demand that Jesus your son be tortured to death in order to restore humans to friendship with God and the possibility of salvation? Why kind of monster would have such a plan?

If God is in charge of life and death, why did God allow fiends like Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot to live long enough to torture and murder millions of innocent people? Why didn't God send a heart attack to the 9/11 hijackers, or at least have them stopped for a traffic ticket on their way to the airport so that they missed the planes?

I could go on for days. I'm sorry for offending people who hold these beliefs dear, but please, think about it. Give up the comfort and think about the total screwiness of the beliefs. The only logical conclusion from such beliefs is that God is a monster or a trickster.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: metvas on July 24, 2007, 09:49:31 pm
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I tell them that's not relevant to the subject matter we're studying, and if someone else has a question which is relevant, please ask
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Toe on July 25, 2007, 12:08:45 am
I just found out that the place I do tech support for is closing down.  8)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on July 25, 2007, 01:39:08 am
Very well put, Intelligent design is not science, the founding fathers of the USA wanted to get away from any established religion, most were not what today would be called Christians, because they did not believe in the divinity of Christ.  They were what would become unitarians.  I am not from the USA but similar fanatics have been trying to get intelligent design adopted in science classes in schools in the UK.  It has no place in science, maybe in a class on comparative religions (Wales has no established church, unlike our neighbour - England).  As for sex education, yes certainly you can teach that abstinence and monogamy are tools that can be used and are for a number of people an ideal that they would like to aspire to.  They should not be taught as the only way, there is an obligation to teach risk reduction and discuss how people want to lead their lives.  The state has no place in telling people what is an exceptable lifestyle.  In a country where we now have civil partnerships which are the gay equivalent of marriage you can't have schools promoting discrimination or the acceptability of discrimination.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Vanger on July 25, 2007, 04:12:15 am
First I got a computer at 6 years in 1993. It was my mother's Poisk-2 - a Soviet IBM PC clone with 286 processor. The only non-PC architecture, that was widely used in xUSSR was Spectrum, by the way.

Then math school, applied mathematics specialisation in university, optimisation methods faculty - you know, a common set.

Worked mostly as a sysadmin, used Slackware, then VL on my machines.
Now I'm working as a QA engineer at one IBM contractor. Made myself a birthday present - moved all my workflow to VL (though most of the testing is, obviously, in virtual machines). And, well, I'm happy).
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: wcs on July 25, 2007, 04:25:29 am
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The only non-PC architecture, that was widely used in xUSSR was Spectrum, by the way.

Oh, memories.... I absolutely love Spectrum.
That's how I learned some BASIC programming! (Unfortunately, 20 years later, my programming skills are pretty much at the same level as they were then.  :-\)

And no matter how many 3D games and nVidia cards show up, I still think Chuckie Egg is the best game ever designed.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 25, 2007, 05:23:46 am
GrannyGeek many things you about the US and its founding are correct but some are not (e.g. most of the founding fathers were not Deists). And I'm not sure what God you are referring to but if you are reading a "Christian" Bible then your interpretation of it is what is screwiness. Nowhere that I have read does the Bible say that God tortured his Son or "demanded" it unless perhaps you're referring to a concept of transmuting all the sin of the world on him as torture. Seems to me very clear that Romans and a few Jewish leaders at the time tortured him and God's "demand" is for justice. Thus God knew that we could not surivive the enactment of justice so He chose to become human and allow what happened to him to happen. As for all the bad things that others (such as Hitler, et al) have done well, did God stop you from doing the bad things you've done in your life. Just because the scale of injury is much greater people still get to choose what they do and there is a consequence to the choice. Besides all of that you yourself have implied that there is no room for God in your beliefs as have many others. When this society (USA) that reports a majority of being "Christian" tells God to stay out of their public life why would you be surprised if it happened? To say that God "let" all these things happen would not be accurate to say that he knew they would happen would be. Just like tomh38 when he wrote what he wrote and when the rest of us wrote what we wrote (to a lesser degree than an all-knowing God of course). Those challenges are all based on the way you think not on what is shown of God's character in the Bible.

To equate Christian principles with repressive society is FUD tactics. It has never happened. The "dark ages" church was no more "Christian" than you would seem to be although I appreciate from your other comments on this forum that you are probably more reasonable. But that is just my impression with what little I know about you.

I do agree that there is a lot that is unknown as will continue to be the case in our lifetime and to say that "we don't know" is wise. People say that in many different ways including attibuting it to God. It would seem that to phrase it that way would make them a lesser person in your estimation. To say that reason denies Christianity is true in some ways perhaps but I would submit that reason denies many things that most of us do and believe. If your going to apply reason so rigidly to Christians apply the same to others...well maybe don't go too far with that process because the world may stop. :-)

I didn't state my personal beliefs at any point (not that they aren't clear enough), just questioned what was written by tomh38. If those are "fightin' words" I suppose anytime you challenge someone's belief system you get into "fights". I'm not opposed to someone challenging me either.

metvas, well quoted.

Lyn, I would have to agree and disagree. Yes, they wanted to not have a state sponsored religion but they didn't want to do away with it or it's influence on public matters. Most of them did believe in the deity of Christ or they didn't believe what they wrote. True that govenment should allow people to make choice as far as lifestyle goes but that reasoning does not carry to extremes and only slightly past societal norms. Thus there are laws the limit our choices in many ways. Some we may agree with and some we may not but that does not make them right or wrong respectively.

Toe, I'm very sorry to hear that.

FWIW,
Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: no2thesame on July 25, 2007, 06:57:25 am
I'm a physiotherapist (of 29 years) working in residential aged care institutions (for the last 13years) in sunny Australia.  I was bitten by MS DOS 4 and haven't used Microsoft products since then by choice. (Sometimes I've been forced to use them by circumstance)

I have children and so not much money to spare on computing.

One quiet afternoon, in the late '90s, as I worked in my treatment room at the nursing home I heard a radio interview with someone from the local university and he mentioned Linux. I liked what I heard, especially the part about it being free. My operating system then (and I still have one P90 on it) was PCDOS 1991 edition from IBM (I know its only rebadged MS but I completely missed Windows, lucky me!)

Then in 1999 my eldest daughter insisted that we get on the internet for schoolwork. A friend gave me his cast-off P300 and I ordered SuSE 7.0  in the mail. It took me 2 weeks of my Christmas break to install (what a learning curve! I didn't know anyone who used it) and get on the web... but look at me now!

I still run old machines so Vector suits me fine.

By the way, seeing as this seems to have degenerated into that sort of place:
I believe in a six day creation and therefore intelligent design - which really bucks the Aussie trend - this is a very secular society where the dominant religions are, in descending order of popularity: Football, consumerism, drinking, surfing and a long way down the list, evolution.

I have no desire to force my beliefs on any school system - no school I ever went to had public prayer, or taught creation/intelligent design and I turned out ...well... I use Vector and Linux so something stuck.

I love you GrannyGeek! Keep Mike honest and keep asking the good questions, the answers are out there.
No2
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 07:19:41 am
All right ... I didn't want to turn this into a religious flame war, but I suppose I'd better make a few points since some of my statements have been attacked, and others misinterpreted.

1.  If I were teaching in a Catholic school, I would gladly lead my students in prayer, and if they wanted to know my religious beliefs, I would tell them.  I would also tell them what the Catholic Church teaches about sex and marriage.  But I teach in a public school, paid for by taxes.  There's a non-establishment of religion clause in the First Amendment, and for me to endorse a particular religion (or to teach against any religion) would be a violation of the First Amendment.

2.  The Catholic Church does not require me to teach the Catholic faith in a public school.  So, as I interpret my Church's teaching, I can do so on my own time and on my own dime, but not in a government endorsed and funded institution.

3)  There is no scientific data (that is, hard observational data that can be replicated) to support Intelligent Design.  There is an enormous amount of scientific evidence to support the origin of species by natural selection; you could spend your entire life just glancing through it and barely scratch the surface.

4. The Catholic Church has rejected both Creationism and Intelligent design and endorsed the origin of species by natural selection, so I have no conflict of conscience on that regard.  In my classes we don't do much biology, but we do physics, and the current evidence for the age of the universe is that it's about 14.5 billion years old, not around 6,000 as the biblical literalists claim.  My Church also has no problem with this, so I have no conflict of conscience there either.

5.  I don't use the term "evolution" because it's unscientific.  It implies that organisms "evolve" over time into something better, and there's no scientific evidence for this.  There is ample scientific evidence for the origin of species by natural selection, so I speak about it in that way instead.

6.  In regards to sex education, I asked that it be included in my contract that I not be required to teach sex ed., as it might require me to teach something which would go against my conscience.  Human sexuality always involves morality of one kind or another, and so I've recused myself from that subject.  When the subject of sexual reproduction does come up in my classes, we deal in matters of biology.  One mammal's means of reproduction is pretty much the same as any other's so we can deal with it generally.  If a student ever asks me a question regarding human sexual morality, I'll refer him or her to a parent or other moral guide who is appropriate for that person.

7.  Many if not most of the founding fathers of the United States may have been practicing Christians, but the private writings of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin show that they were Enlightenment thinkers and deists.  Jefferson and Franklin certainly had grave doubts about the divinity of Jesus, which at the time would have put them outside of mainstream Christian belief.  For most churches, it still would.  I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion, since the First Amendment clearly states that "congress shall establish no church," which in practice means no public funds for religious proselytizing of any kind.

8.  I personally don't care what the religious beliefs of the majority of people in the US are.  I also don't care that there are Christians, Jews, Atheists, and one Muslim in my classes.  Their religious beliefs, and the religious beliefs of the majority of people in the US, are outside the scope of the philosophy of science, just as they are outside the scope of geometry, literature, geography, music, and so on.  If people want to send their children to a religious school, they are free to do so.  If they cannot afford to do so, they can home school their children.

9.  I usually avoid discussions of the meaning of the Bible on the Internet, since so few people know much about the Bible.  Very few people I know have enough knowledge of Hebrew, Greek, ancient near-eastern archeology, literary criticism, paleography, anthropology, sociology, psychology, et al. to have an informed opinion about the Bible.  Most people who argue about the Bible are familiar with one translation in their native language which they tend to interpret literally.  Many of the conclusions they draw are too flawed to even be wrong.  So I won't argue about the Bible unless someone in here is familiar with all the subjects I listed above, and is willing to quote in one of the original languages (Hebrew or Greek).  If somebody quotes me the Bible from some translation, I'll ignore the post.

Look, everybody, I know this is the Lounge, but I'd much rather talk about Linux in here than religion.  If you all want to argue religion, that's fine, but in all likelihood this is my last post in this thread, even if somebody attacks me or my views.  Also, I'm really not in the mood for an email discussion about religious matters, so please don't send a private message to my gmail account regarding the matters in this thread.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: metvas on July 25, 2007, 08:02:25 am
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I tell them that's not relevant to the subject matter we're studying, and if someone else has a question which is relevant, please ask
Let's move on folks.
Thanks
regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 08:07:51 am
Darrell,

Agreed.

I'd like to hear more about what people do for a living.  For example, who's a professional software developer, if anyone?  Does we have any military folks in here?  Does anybody work in a business where Linux is deployed on a large scale.  You get the idea.

Tom
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 25, 2007, 08:08:09 am
Look, everybody, I know this is the Lounge, but I'd much rather talk about Linux in here than religion.

Me too.

Again, well quoted metvas. I will "move on."
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 25, 2007, 08:24:30 am
Goddang vanger, it's been a long time...
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 25, 2007, 08:26:58 am
Religion and politics are two subjects I refuse to debate over.  Firstly, I don't have the facts or the in depth knowledge to debate about how my heart feels. Secondly, no one else has facts or the in depth knowledge to change how my heart feels.  Everyone that's posted about their views has brought up things that I can certainly agree with.

But on a lighter note...  This thread in my opinion has been very interesting.  I was just interested in finding some common denominators about Linux users.  But now when I read everyones posts in other parts of the board, I can associate them with something other than a simple text user name.

I'm surprised with everyones responses so far. A very diverse crowd.  Though it does seem that higher education and Linux go hand in hand for the most part.

I suppose I'd better get a degree in something so I can blend in a bit.  lol  Unfortunately my Army college fund has long expired.  I (foolishly) didn't think I was capable of being a good student and support myself at the same time.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Vanger on July 25, 2007, 08:30:50 am
Goddang vanger, it's been a long time...
I'm a pulsar, you know? Showing, hiding, showing again, hiding again ;) .
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 08:38:56 am
M0E-lnx,

Does your avatar represent what you really look like?  Are you really some kind of futuristic cyborg dude?  If so, I'd really like to know what you do for a living.  By the way, I am a biohazard (flatulence).  ;D

exeterdad,

You're right about it being a diverse crowd.  Regarding higher education ... it all depends on how learn best.  I spent five years in school after college, but most of what I've learned has been from what I've read on my own.  I always did well in school, but mostly because of reading, not lectures.  On the other hand, if you do well in the structured university environment (and very many people do) then a higher degree might be for you.

On the third hand ... heh ... if you're only worried about blending in, don't bother.  From what I've read that you've written in these forums, you're just as bright and knowledgeable as anybody in here, so you blend in fine.

Just my two cents.

Tom
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 25, 2007, 08:55:58 am
tomh38,

Have I ever mentioned that I like you? lol
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 08:57:41 am
Personally I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic, but I'm also a fervent believer that a teacher's personal religious beliefs have no place in a public-funded classroom.
This seems to be somewhat of a contradiction. I suspect the tenets of your Catholic faith would have you "practice" differently. Perhaps I am wrong though as I not a Catholic scholar.

WRT the Catholic Church and the Theory of Evolution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

The encyclical Humani Generis, which states that there is no conflict between evolution and the Catholic faith, is still the prevailing doctrine I believe. The late John Paul II bolstered that opinion and Benedict seems not to have rescinded it.

(BTW, I'm not a Catholic; I follow religions though. There are some things I don't like Catholicism, but I have some good feelings toward that faith.)

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Furthermore, here in Missouri there are a lot of fundamentalists, so if we let them push the thin edge of the wedge into the classroom on one thing, before you know it all science and sex education would be gone, and they would be burning books that they don't like.
This seems odd on a Linux forum where people seem to complain about FUD as it is just that. What science are you referring to? To say that the theory of evolution is fact is another contradiction. It is not fact and is no better supported by science than Intelligent Design. Both have holes in them. Which do you choose to believe (oops there's that faith subject again).

Intelligent design is not science at all; perhaps philosophy or theology of a kind. The theory of evolution is. 'Proof' does not exist in science as it does in mathematics, and, by definition, there are 'holes' in any scientific theory. Evolution is among the best tested of theories and is nearly as important to modern biology as cell theory.

The way I look at science, or knowledge in general really, is that we want to draw a circle, but we can only draw regular polygons. With each new discovery, we more closely approximate a circle as a new side is added. Triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon, and so forth...we will never have a circle but maybe damn close to a circle.

And of course one can observe evolution in a very mundane way...note that flu shots change every year.

If you are also suggesting that lifelong, monogamous sex is bad education then you don't know the facts about sex. Just because people don't like to acknowledge consequences resultant from promiscuity doesn't mean that removing restraint is the best choice. People make choices and leaving out part of the information is not good education. Ignoring part of the information would include them in the same "backward thinking" that you seem to have put those fundamentalists.

Well if it's abstinence-only education you have in mind, it has been a statistical failure.

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Also, there would be school prayer, and it would be Protestant prayer, which would not be to the liking of us Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, and so on.
Perhaps the "fundamentalists" you speak of would want prayer to fit their belief system but considering that the majority of the public population in these United States calls themselves Christian (not Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, and so on) I think it's interesting that you would be opposed to what the public wants who fund the school you work at. But again because these United States are a Republic and not a Democracy you get the voice of a minority (Atheists) removing any opportunity for anyone's prayer to be school sponsored.

I'm curious about whether prayer has to be organized. I'm not really sure about the metaphysics behind it, but isn't it possible to pray mentally and silently, at least for Christians? Furthermore, why must prayer be held in school, as opposed to church or at home or whatever? I don't ask rhetorical questions (pointless), so I really don't know the answer.

Anyway, I for one don't think that students should be forced to pray. I think if prayer were imposed on us when we were in high school, one of my non-practicing Jewish friends and I (I'm a freethinker) would probably goof off.

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And so the school board thinks it's best to keep the religion out completely.  I'm in full agreement with them.

Perhaps you could ask them why, in the interests of education. The likely answer would not be something most would accept in any other aspect of their life. They (the school board) don't want religion (Protestant in particular) because someone would alert the ACLU or other such group and the school board would be sued and probably lose a great deal of money. But consider something a bit less obtrusive to life such as computers. The minority group Microsoft has the power to control the market. They have done so to the disdain of some. Many on this forum and other's like it don't particularly appreciate it and would like others more influentual then they are to stand up to what they feel the majority of computer users really want (interpreted as NOT Microsoft). Thus MS "keeps" other OSes from getting significant market share; a misinterpretation of Thomas Jefferson keeps prayer out of schools.

Microsoft are a powerful multinational corporation and the majority...the comparison doesn't hold up. I can't speak for everyone, but I think that many who don't toe the party line here, atheist, agnostic, independent believer (like me), or otherwise, are sometimes treated with suspicion and distrust. Persecution would be too strong a word, but, yes, fundamentalists do have way too much power in policy-making and culture here. As such, the friend I mentioned earlier and I will probably not be here too much longer. I think that many of the USA's intellectual youth, particularly we men, for whatever reason, are really disillusioned with the way things go now.

I have never agreed with reasoning that says one should do something because everyone else does it. In this case, it's an adult form of peer pressure, and I rarely ever bow to peer pressure. To put it bluntly, peer pressure is silly.

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Fortunately I'm still protected by the "free expression of religion" clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, so they can't do a damn thing about it.
So you would use what you disagree with to support your opinion? The constitution was penned by men who were willing to die for the right to be Protestant. They were lifelong, practicing Protestants and their Biblical beliefs invaded every part of their life including the documents that we in the USA hold very dear.

I don't see why I should form my religious opinions according to what someone else believed long ago, whether or not they wrote an important document or not. Those who wrote the Magna Carta were Catholic, and those who wrote the Old Testament were of course Jewish. But that doesn't imply one must be Catholic or Jewish.

Actually, some commonly observed Western customs are distinctly un-Christian. If we were to make everything Christian, we'd have to change the names of the weekdays (for Tuesday is named after one of my favorite bands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%BDr_(band))), and move Christmas to a more likely date for the birth of Christ, and call 'Hell' by its original Hebrew name, 'Gehennom', or at least something like it, as in French. That last one has caused much confusion. Hel is where one goes when a warrior smacks him with a huge tree trunk: "Rívur upp eikikelvi stór / hann lemjir summar til heljar"

For the "scientific" mind to discount something based on current knowledge and theory is arrogant as science had never been very good at predicting the future.

Predicting the future is integral to science. It's the only good way to test its reliability.

And lastly, to ignore spiritual issues in the name of science will doom society as history has revealed often (what was the last war over scientific beliefs...)

To the best of my knowledge, there have never been wars over scientific beliefs, but many over religion.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 09:52:17 am
I want to stay away from the religious discussion, but Mr. hanumizzle made an interesting linguistic point on which I'd like to comment.

The term Gehenna was, if I remember correctly, originally a reference to the Hinnom Valley, a place outside Jerusalem where people would throw their garbage.  It was always on fire, sort of like the constant tire-fire in Springfield from The Simpsons.  As you can imagine, the place probably stank pretty badly.  To the best of my knowledge, by the time of Jesus the place had become metaphor for a place of eternal punishment (eternal flames, horrible stench, people throwing stuff on you all the time, etc.).  This is all from memory, so I could be wrong on some of these points.

I imagine, though this is only speculation, that Tolkien's Mordor is based both on this and the traditional Christian idea of Hell, complete with a devil (Sauron).

When I think of Redmond, Washington, I imagine either the Hinnom Valley or Mordor.  ;D

Nothing I stated above is a commentary on any religious belief in the existence or non-existence of an eternal place of punishment of any kind.

exeterdad,
I like you too ... you've given me some good advice and helped me solve an annoying problem with Thunar the other day.  Just so you know, I don't like you in any kind of homer-sexual kind of way.  ;)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 25, 2007, 10:05:57 am
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I don't like you in any kind of homer-sexual kind of way
This is comforting news!
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 10:26:44 am
I want to stay away from the religious discussion, but Mr. hanumizzle made an interesting linguistic point on which I'd like to comment.

The term Gehenna was, if I remember correctly, originally a reference to the Hinnom Valley, a place outside Jerusalem where people would throw their garbage.  It was always on fire, sort of like the constant tire-fire in Springfield from The Simpsons.  As you can imagine, the place probably stank pretty badly.  To the best of my knowledge, by the time of Jesus the place had become metaphor for a place of eternal punishment (eternal flames, horrible stench, people throwing stuff on you all the time, etc.).  This is all from memory, so I could be wrong on some of these points.

All true. Hinnom Valley today is not a bad place to spend eternity...a bit of a hot climate for my tastes, but not bad.

(http://www.greatcommission.com/israel/2003020.jpg)

I imagine, though this is only speculation, that Tolkien's Mordor is based both on this and the traditional Christian idea of Hell, complete with a devil (Sauron).

The true 'Devil' in his legendarium was the Vala Melkor (He Who Arises in Might), who came to be known as Morgoth (The Dark Enemy of the World). Sauron was the mightiest of his lieutenants, which goes to show you how powerful Morgoth was, before the other Valar shut him away into the void. So Sauron is a 'fallen angel' as it were, having turned against the will of Eru the creator.

(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6633/fingolfinandmorgothbb0.jpg)

The blighted lands of Mordor, Angband, Anfauglith, etc., probably have some connection to the Christian Hell, and his experiences as a combat veteran from World War I probably play some role as well.

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Suddenly Morgoth sent forth great rivers of flame that ran down swifter than Balrogs from Thangorodrim, and poured over all the plain; and the Mountains of Iron belched forth fires of many poisonous hues, and the fume of them stank upon the air, and was deadly. Thus Ard-galen perished, and fire devoured its grasses; and it became a burned and desolate waste, full of a choking dust, barren and lifeless.

Sounds like chemical warfare to me.

And Dunharrow is a dead-ringer for Nifelhel, full of ghastly oath-breakers.

(http://www.tuckborough.net/images/kingofthedead.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 10:44:29 am
I want to stay away from the religious discussion

Basically, they don't get out of hand as long as you don't use rhetoric, harsh sarcasm, or name-calling, and, in keeping with learning a Scandinavian language, I have deprecated those habits.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 10:53:56 am
Good stuff hanumizzle ... goes to show two things:  1) You've got a lot of fantastic knowledge in that mind of yours, and 2) Tolkien drew on so many sources, it's just incredible.  Probably a lot of stuff we'll never know about, too.  The man was a genius.

I remember Melkor/Morgoth from the Silmarillion and some of the other books that Christopher Tolkien published after his father's death.  There's a wealth of knowledge about how Tolkien developed his worlds in there.  If I remember correctly, Melkor was originally on of the greatest of the Valar, but was proud and took the music of Eru Ilúvatar and altered it to his own liking.  I think this was the beginning of his downfall, which eventually led to his being cast out into the void (which you mentioned).  I suppose that "the void" is the real "Hell" in Tolkien's mythos, since Morgoth would be eternally cut off from Eru.  Places like Angband and later on Mordor were more like "hell on middle-earth" I suppose.

Side note ... I once visited Oxford, and made a special point the visit the pub The Eagle and the Child, where Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and others used to hang out and discuss the stuff they were writing.  There's a plaque there commemorating their meetings.  It was about as moving an experience as I've had, akin to when I stood at the graves of Keats and Shelley in Rome, or when I got to hold the jar which contains Einstein's brain (okay, I never did that last part, but apparently Dr. Thomas Harvey did remove Einstein's brain and stored it in some mason jars in his office somewhere in Kansas for a couple of decades - creepy).

Great pics too, hanumizzle.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 25, 2007, 10:57:07 am
M0E-lnx,

Does your avatar represent what you really look like?  Are you really some kind of futuristic cyborg dude?  If so, I'd really like to know what you do for a living.  By the way, I am a biohazard (flatulence).  ;D

exeterdad,

Scroll back a few replies on this thread
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 11:04:38 am
M0E-lnx,

Licensed electrician!!  No wonder you have to wear all that gear.  Electricity is dangerymoust!  Dat's what my daddy told me.

Seriously, question:  if a socket in a ceiling lamp keeps burning out light bulbs after a few days (different batches) could that be a sign of a wiring problem?  I've been trying to get an electrician over here, but I'm going have to wait another two weeks or so.  For the time being I'm leaving it switched off with no bulb in it, but I'm sort of curious ... thought you might know.

Tom
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 25, 2007, 11:25:26 am
Nicely put in your posts hanumizzle. There are a few statement that I would contend about but mostly my points, which you elaborated on, are that there are many ways to interpret information and the conclusions that people come to are quite varied. Sometimes the factors to influence those conclusion have little to do with the presented information. I would not want to belittle another because they didn't interpret ancient or modern literature the way I do but if you make the statements that others find inflamatory you'll probably get flames. Since, to my knowledge, I've never met anyone who frequents this forum I can only assess what they reveal here. I didn't think any less of you when you were having difficulties last year and said you didn't ascribe to religion. I've always found that the common thread of VL was such that people could come from their various backgrounds, etc. and interact in a lot of interesting topics (at least to me) but especially linux. Of course I'm not anatagonistic towards Microsoft which possibly puts me in the wrong forum.  ::)

I was happy to see Vanger back in the mix. What is the rate of pulsation because this forum isn't the same with out you. Of course I get used to reading various people's responses since I've been a part here and appreciate the insight it provides for many of us linux newbs.

BTW, other jobs I've had/places I've worked include: newspaper delivery, Der Wienersnitzel, yard work for a professional building next to a hospital, janitor, computer operator for Amoco, research assistant in med school, and then as mentioned earlier in this post.
Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 11:28:43 am
Good stuff hanumizzle ... goes to show two things:  1) You've got a lot of fantastic knowledge in that mind of yours, and 2) Tolkien drew on so many sources, it's just incredible.  Probably a lot of stuff we'll never know about, too.  The man was a genius.

One of the finest philologists of the 20th century to be sure. Perhaps of all time.

I remember Melkor/Morgoth from the Silmarillion and some of the other books that Christopher Tolkien published after his father's death.  There's a wealth of knowledge about how Tolkien developed his worlds in there.  If I remember correctly, Melkor was originally on of the greatest of the Valar, but was proud and took the music of Eru Ilúvatar and altered it to his own liking.

He harshed everyone's mellow at the jam session. And yes he was the greatest Vala.

I think this was the beginning of his downfall, which eventually led to his being cast out into the void (which you mentioned).  I suppose that "the void" is the real "Hell" in Tolkien's mythos, since Morgoth would be eternally cut off from Eru.  Places like Angband and later on Mordor were more like "hell on middle-earth" I suppose.

Well, the land of the dead (which is physically in Valinor), the Halls of Mandos is like vanilla Hel: like a boring-ass clinic waiting room where there's nothing to read but 'Highlights'.

The 'Hells' on Middle-earth of course spawned scads of black metal bands like Gorgoroth (http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6wyu841Z6s) later on.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 11:30:56 am
I didn't think any less of you when you were having difficulties last year and said you didn't ascribe to religion.

I'm religious but I'm not. Kind of like that Jabali fellow.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 12:29:40 pm
"Highlights" - good gawd I hated that magazine when I was a kid.

The whole story of Melkor/Morgoth reminds me of when I used to play trombone in a jazz band way back when.  Everybody got their turn at improv, but we all knew to meld what we were playing with what everyone else was doing, or it would ruin the whole thing.  Good lesson in life, too, I suppose.

Now I want to go back and re-read all of Tolkien.  Some of the stuff you've pointed out has reminded me that it's been too long, and a lot of that stuff has gone stale in my mind.  From what I remember the Elves had to go to the Halls of Mandos to await their final judgement when the world ends, or another incarnation, I forget which, and nobody knew what the fate of Men and Dwarves was after death.  So as I interpret it there really is no "Hell" in the Christian sense, except maybe for what happened to Morgoth, and unless the Men who turned to evil and allied themselves with either Morgoth or later on Sauron were cast out into the void as well.  I suppose that the same would go for Dwarves who turned to evil, and Orcs seem to be evil by nature (though they were originally Elves who were twisted and corrupted by Morgoth if I recall, so perhaps they have a chance at another go around after a stop-off in Mandos).  Tolkien left a lot of these things unclear in the stuff that I've read, but I haven't read it all by a long shot, and I've forgotten a lot of what I've read.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 12:37:13 pm
To kill an Orc does it a favor...one frees the Elven soul inside I think.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: cintyram on July 25, 2007, 01:10:11 pm
currently software process coordinator + R&D Engineer at a major corp.
past gigs include teaching and software development. thats pretty much it.
i have participated in a lot of other activities and management and organization stuff.. but not professionally.   most of the time i love to learn new things and do fun stuff like sports etc.

Hey what are the moderators doing? this whole religion thing is way out of line for this thread!
despite requests from metvas, those posts seem to not go away.

cheers
ram
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 01:19:35 pm
currently software process coordinator + R&D Engineer at a major corp.
past gigs include teaching and software development. thats pretty much it.
i have participated in a lot of other activities and management and organization stuff.. but not professionally.   most of the time i love to learn new things and do fun stuff like sports etc.

Hey what are the moderators doing? this whole religion thing is way out of line for this thread!
despite requests from metvas, those posts seem to not go away.

cheers
ram


They haven't become overly insulting, so I see no need to remove them. Maybe split them off into a new thread.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 25, 2007, 01:20:12 pm
I have to side with ram on this one...

This is way out of line, looks like someone wanted to start a fun thread and we ended up with a religion/science and everything else thread
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 01:23:06 pm
hey cintyram,

So ... software process coordinator.  Are you managing developers working on software projects, or is that something different.  Also, what kind of research and development, or are you allowed to talk about it?

You're right, the whole religion thing got way out of hand.  I'm sorry I ever mentioned the topic, but it seemed relevant at the time since it recently has had something to do with my job.  My mistake for even bringing it up.

I guess the mods let these things go on, even when they're completely off-topic, at least in the Lounge.  I was glad that metvas asked us to move on, since I was ready to move on.  I suppose the posts will stay up, since they're already there, but as far as I'm concerned they could all be deleted, including mine which started the whole thing.  I really don't like flame wars, and religion and politics tend to lead to that pretty quickly.

Having said that ...Hitler!  http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/hitlersbanjo0dt6fc.gif?t=1185394918
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: nubcnubdo on July 25, 2007, 01:34:47 pm
Next time you feel like flaming a fellow Vectorian, go here instead:

http://www.com.uvigo.es/~ediaz/billg/billg.html

He deserves it.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on July 25, 2007, 01:36:48 pm
Interestingly enough Mordor was based on the Black Country, In the West Mindlands of England.  Tolken spent quite a bit of time in the district of Birmingham called Moseley.  Several of its then features are in the Hobbit and in the Lord of the Rings as the Shire.  The Black Country was so called because of the wealth of small and not so small scale metal bashing industries that existed at the time.  Which included in many areas back yard foundries where women made chains or nails.  This, the pits that many men worked at, the steel works etc, created a landscape of boiling black clouds, fires everywhere and the sweated labour of about a million people.  This was his template for Mordor.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 25, 2007, 01:37:30 pm
hehe ;)
nice one nubcnubdo
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 01:41:36 pm
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Having said that ...Hitler!  http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/hitlersbanjo0dt6fc.gif?t=1185394918

Godwin's Law validated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9VfwVvlptw)
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 01:46:03 pm
Lyn:  I've never heard or read that.  Very interesting to know.  Thanks.

nubcnubdo, hanumizzle:  good ones, thanks.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 01:52:41 pm
Interestingly enough Mordor was based on the Black Country, In the West Mindlands of England.  Tolken spent quite a bit of time in the district of Birmingham called Moseley.  Several of its then features are in the Hobbit and in the Lord of the Rings as the Shire.  The Black Country was so called because of the wealth of small and not so small scale metal bashing industries that existed at the time.  Which included in many areas back yard foundries where women made chains or nails.  This, the pits that many men worked at, the steel works etc, created a landscape of boiling black clouds, fires everywhere and the sweated labour of about a million people.  This was his template for Mordor.

Wow...that reminds me of Riddley Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddley_Walker).
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 25, 2007, 02:02:46 pm
hanumizzzle ... dude ... I have got to read that book

When you get uploaded I want access to your /home directory just so that I can find out all the books you've read.  Don't worry, I'm only asking for read access.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 02:31:56 pm
hanumizzzle ... dude ... I have got to read that book

When you get uploaded I want access to your /home directory just so that I can find out all the books you've read.  Don't worry, I'm only asking for read access.

Maybe, but you'll have to crawl through scads of pr0n to get to my books.

Truthfully, I have a number of electronically stored books in /home/docs; that's where you'd look.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: rbistolfi on July 25, 2007, 03:27:39 pm
well, was fun to read about your jobs. I think the religion topic was no offensive, a little out of topic though. My opinion about religion was already exposed in other threads, so I will be no boring with you again  :D.

Lyn, that info is interesting, even more knowing Tolkien was a critic of modernism and the way the tech "progess" was implemented.
Is really interesting, Christopher Tolkien points that the firsts books are related to a theological interest of his father, and the next ones are the fruit of a more philosophical approach. I always think about Aragorn as a perfect idea of a man, in an humanistic way. He has wisdom, he is a warrior, a moral authority and a good friend. He has to death just because he is still a human. He finds the divine in himself, but he cant go beyond his humanity. In a way he is a symbol about the human condition. He can make a hero from himself, but he cant be an inmortal god, and there [in his mortal humanity] resides his force.

About the jobs of the vectorians, the pattern is like ovious, but I guess any person who likes science, math, and that kind of stuff will be interested in linux. I am interested on free software philosophy too. So I guess a person interested on ethics and politics can be interested in linux too. IMO, linux is the first successful implementation of an old ideal of science, which is about people sharing knowledge in order to improve the things around for the good of the community. It proves ideals can be realized and things can be done thinking in more than just money.

Truthfully, I have a number of electronically stored books in /home/docs; that's where you'd look.

That would be interesting to see. I think a man is what he reads  :D
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 25, 2007, 04:51:25 pm
Or rather, a man is the pirated CHM files he reads.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: metvas on July 25, 2007, 10:25:03 pm
You guys kill me I was laughing so hard at nubcnubdo's video clip I was out of breath. Good one!!! hanumizzle what do you not know? Would take a lot less space in the forum lol :>)
regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on July 26, 2007, 01:06:10 am
Lyn:  I've never heard or read that.  Very interesting to know.  Thanks.

nubcnubdo, hanumizzle:  good ones, thanks.

I used to live in Moseley before I moved back to Cardiff and Wales.   It still is a very bohemian district, a stone's throw away from the Balti belt of Birmingham (where the balti was invented :-) .   When the first Lord of the Rings film was in development a Finnish film crew were wandering round the place doing a documentary about the links and those that were still visible.  As for the Black Country, its now de industrialised and the home forges are now a thing of the past.  Though a lot of the older terraced houses still have a run of out buildings that were previously, scullery/washroom, brew house (metal bashing is thirsty work) forge and outside toilet. 
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Vanger on July 26, 2007, 02:31:42 am
Godwin's Law validated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9VfwVvlptw)
http://xkcd.com/261/

And about flame: http://xkcd.com/263/
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: apock627 on July 26, 2007, 04:27:19 am
I'm a surgeon, no IT background at all except my dabblings here (and a whirl with linux from scratch a few years ago). Would eventually love to have all my home and portable stuff running on linux (VL of course) but I can't do it yet. I'll never be a useful member of the open source "community" but I really admire those who are. If only most things worked the same way...
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 26, 2007, 04:51:33 am
I'm a surgeon

That's awesome!  I couldn't do it, not with all the coffee I drink.  :P
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: apock627 on July 26, 2007, 05:03:59 am
 :) I couldn't do it without all the coffee I drink...
Still recovering after 2:30 am start yesterday
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 26, 2007, 05:09:57 am
:) I couldn't do it without all the coffee I drink...
Still recovering after 2:30 am start yesterday
That's why I stopped doing OB work, well actually deliveries (Family Practice doc)...now I have an outpatient only practice and am able to participate in my kids' growing up.
Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 26, 2007, 09:13:07 am
apock627,

You're a surgeon.  I think you're contributing enough to society as it is.  Surgeons saved my life, my dad's life, and my brother's life.  My hat's off to you, sir.

mikecindi,

The same thing goes for you.  I have a great deal of respect for pretty much all physicians (I've only known of a few bad ones).  Without you the rest of us would be much worse off than we are.  And a family practice doctor ... well, that's a heroic life in itself, and you spend time with your kids.  Kudos.

Tom
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tanelle on July 26, 2007, 10:32:54 am
i've got my own interiorshop for 13 years now, selling and installing carpet and other floorcoverings, curtains made by my wife and also beds.
When I started this, I said I didn't need a computer. My father in law dumped an old XT and said: do something with it.
So I made my bills with PlanPerfect (Spreadsheet brother of Word Perfect) Later I bought my own computer and MS office. After a lot of pain I made a reasonable working order database. It was about 1999 that a German friend showed me Linux and explained the way linux was developed. From that time I was determined to make the switch one day. I'm still looking for a way to make a good multiuser database application. I'm using Linux at home for some years now and infected my daughter with it too.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: cintyram on July 26, 2007, 11:56:07 am
So ... software process coordinator.  Are you managing developers working on software projects, or is that something different.

Well i don't actually "manage" folks yet[ as in schedule work on the critical path, give personal development  advice etc..]  but I help with the processes, define policy , schedule work on non critical path etc. Define and get people to work on their quality plans and other stuff.  The projects are software :) . and I'm Looking for opportunities to move to full time management of Development teams.

Also, what kind of research and development, or are you allowed to talk about it?
The other role i play is to work on different projects with in my team. We are basically a RFIC simulation company, so there are lots of interesting problems to work on.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 26, 2007, 01:39:27 pm
Thanks cintyram, that was helpful.  I don't know much about software development, so I was interested in where your job fits into the process.  Do you contribute to Free/Open Source projects as well?  Just curious.

Tom
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: cintyram on July 26, 2007, 05:08:12 pm
  Do you contribute to Free/Open Source projects as well?  Just curious.

Well Not much to brag about here  ;).
i used to try to help in a lot of places, basically any project i liked, i wanted to contribute.  But ended up not helping in any effort.  But i soon wised up and spend most of my free time with VL.

I test betas and RCs, give  design guidance and advice . But i have not committed code to any project :(
at one point i used to help UKBIll with doc review etc.  so i do what i can, in the time i have.
I don't know if it counts, but at one point, there was some friction and uncertainty on some key Developers' part about VL's future because of GPL law suites etc..  I jumped in and tried to convince that it wont be an issue for us.

The bigger problem for me is that i suffered a serious bout of RSI [Ulnar neuritis] some time back and try to restrict myself to using a mouse and kbd only for critical work. im slowly coming out of that:)
so if you see a period of absence, it could be anything from lots of work to bad case of RSI.

Hey incidentally , when you install VL my name also shows up on the list of contributors that scrolls. :)
Feels like an achievement to be in the same list as Kocil, Tiger, Vec, johnvan, JohnB etc

cheers
ram







Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 26, 2007, 05:15:34 pm
I have a great deal of respect for pretty much all physicians (I've only known of a few bad ones).

That is very kind of you Tom, thanks.

For a picture of me at work...http://www.ihcrc.org/.

tanelle, I believe there are several multiuser database applications available for you to choose from. Several are available in the VL repos. I suppose the simplest one, if you have SOHO, is included with OOo. If you have something specific (usage) in mind there are several in the VL community that have extensive experience.

Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: apock627 on July 26, 2007, 08:17:32 pm
Likewise for me, Tom. BTW my hat's off to your surgeon(s) too!

I love my work and I'd still do it for no thanks, but we rarely have to.

There are a few truly altruistic people in my profession (sounds like mikecindi is one of them) but in many ways I see more desire to make a better world without personal gain among folks here than I do in some of my colleagues.

(This is not an invitation for a debate about altruism and whether it really exists!)

That's why this group has a special vibe (despite some differences!) and is one of the reasons I like to hang around like a lost puppy. Long may it last.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: exeterdad on July 26, 2007, 08:45:53 pm
Quote
For a picture of me at work...http://www.ihcrc.org/.

I had to kind of chuckle.  You've been a bit modest about your accomplishments.  Yet a few paragraphs in the web page prove you to be a very noble and accomplished person.  You've made your mark in this world.  Good for you! It's an honor to be in your company.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 26, 2007, 09:02:53 pm
You're making me feel self-conscious that I ever brought it up. As apock627 said VL has a very special "vibe" and I am very please to be in that company. Also similar to what cintyram mentioned I saw my name in the credits for 5.8 too and was shocked and gratified (not that I did much). I have said this many times and don't see it changing anytime soon this is the best linux community that I've seen.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: GrannyGeek on July 26, 2007, 10:19:26 pm
GrannyGeek many things you about the US and its founding are correct but some are not (e.g. most of the founding fathers were not Deists). And I'm not sure what God you are referring to but if you are reading a "Christian" Bible then your interpretation of it is what is screwiness.

I wrote a detailed reply including Bible chapter and verse to illustrate some of my points. However, some people are obviously uncomfortable with this subject and it's really off topic, so I decided not to post it.

I hope all of us with differing opinions can remain on friendly terms with each other.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on July 27, 2007, 01:46:57 am

Wow...that reminds me of Riddley Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddley_Walker).

Not heard of, but thanks for the link - it sounds interesting.... of course A Canticle for Leibowitz is one of my favorite novels, I read it every year...
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: tomh38 on July 27, 2007, 05:25:15 am
I've read A Canticle for Leibowitz four or five times.  The first time I read it I was about twelve, so there was a lot of stuff I didn't understand.  The second time was in my third year of undergrad, so I had studied some Latin, and I understood more.  After that I just read it because it's a well-written and powerful story.  Now that it's been brought up here I think I'll read it again.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: MikeCindi on July 27, 2007, 05:49:49 am
I wrote a detailed reply including Bible chapter and verse to illustrate some of my points. However, some people are obviously uncomfortable with this subject and it's really off topic, so I decided not to post it.
I would really like to read your reply if you are willing for me to. Perhaps you could send it to my email although I'm often very slow to respond. If you don't that's fine too of course as I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I just learn more through such dialog.

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I hope all of us with differing opinions can remain on friendly terms with each other.
I must agree with this. My line of work requires this on a daily basis. (Patients, at times, will not appreciate my opinion. Sometimes that opinion might be wrong but I hope it's never because I was negligent in my application of medical knowledge.)  :o Besides, I have "thick skin" and a generally friendly disposition.  :)

Mike
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on July 28, 2007, 05:28:21 pm

Wow...that reminds me of Riddley Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddley_Walker).

Not heard of, but thanks for the link - it sounds interesting.... of course A Canticle for Leibowitz is one of my favorite novels, I read it every year...

I recommend the book to anyone who grasps English well enough to read the book's degenerate dialect, which is full of subtlety and distant memory. In particular to anyone who lives in the British Isles.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: ronnyquest on October 16, 2009, 09:15:13 am
I'm curious what the majority of Linux users are.  I know many are students, some retired.  But what is your career?  Or what was, or will be your career?
Well, let's see...

I went to college and got a degree in geology.

Then, I joined the Army, became a paratrooper, then moved into Special Operations.

Then, I was offered a civilian job making lots of money with no bullets flying at me, so I left the Army and worked for a number of years as a systems engineer. 

I've been a student part of the time in the astrophysics program at one of the local universities.  Sometimes, I'm a mathematics major at a local college.

During that post-Army stretch of employment, I had a few surgeries and some lengthy hospital stays, and nearly died because of a nasty infection that necessitated another round of surgical procedures.  I stopped working for about ten months to recover after that last one.

Then, I went back to work and had a couple heart attacks, so I sort of retired.

Now, I'm just a slacker who spends my time working on my home systems.  Life is funny that way.  I have way too many hobbies.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Bjrnarlinux on October 16, 2009, 03:52:01 pm
As i've said in my intro pst i'm a school assistant( i think teachers aide is the correct english term) which means i mostly spend my days helping the kids with special needs, syndromes, etc. I wound up with this after drifting around after leaving vidaregåande( high school i think) drifting around. I applied for the norwegian railway school with the aim og becoming a traffic controller, but i was to young at the time. Then i was called into the military, which i didn't want to do. So i declared myself a conscientious objector and spent a week in the kings royal guard. Then i was enrolled into the civil service( which you have to do if you're a conscientious objector) and got a job at a local school. When i had done my duty i applied for a job as a school assistant here in Oslo and got it. Been here since!

I actually stumbled into Linux because of my political views. I'm a communist and a lot of us see Linux as the first instance of a communistic way of working being succesful. So i tried Ubuntu and it worked great.

Then i got an itch to try something new, and heard about VL. Tried 5.9, didn't work. gave up, went back to Ubuntu, but i couldn't shake Vl away. So when 6.0 came out i tried it again and got it to work! And here i am!

Bjørnar
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Lyn on October 16, 2009, 04:23:26 pm
Regret to say nothing exciting, callcentre... it could be worse... though had hoped to work on a recycling program with my company's machines, we decided to keep them and just cope with the problems that that involved.  Otherwise I might have been able to turn out 1000+ Vector machines... ah well can't get everything I wanted.
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: never_stop_learning on October 16, 2009, 07:21:11 pm
30+ years in the Telecom, CLEC, Cable and Metro Wireless business.

Publisher of Cigar Weekly (Internet-based cigar magazine, www.cigarweekly.com).

Co-founder (with sledgehammer) of the Reno Cigar Lions and our Computers for Kids program.

Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on October 17, 2009, 09:55:44 pm
Updated plans

My aim is to become a neuroscientist

Either computational or cognitive

But probably computational

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=b7b66ad9c0d5a7df21d9488b107256ae&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

Quote
DARPA’s Defense Sciences Office is soliciting innovative research proposals in the area of Systems of Neuromorphic Adaptive Plastic Scalable Electronics (SyNAPSE).  Proposed research should investigate innovative approaches that enable revolutionary advances in neuromorphic electronic devices that are scalable to biological levels.

Let's leave the world a better place than it was before we came into it

o/
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: lighans on November 08, 2009, 09:12:29 am
Well, I'm a teacher biology on a secondary school (NL).
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: gacl on November 10, 2009, 04:54:03 pm
Hello,

Finally moved back to my home country (in Latin America) after a long and arduous job search in The States. Found a job instantly as an English and music teacher. Being a (semi-)native English speaker with a bachelor's degree is a huge advantage around these parts; we're talking double-digit unemployment rates here.

My elementary students are cute, love 'em all. My high school students are possessed by The Devil (i may be wrong).

And i don't miss those low temperatures. . .
Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: rbistolfi on November 11, 2009, 06:19:10 am
Hello,

Finally moved back to my home country (in Latin America)

Welcome back to the neighborhood.

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My high school students are possessed by The Devil

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Title: Re: Okay VL user, what do you do for work?
Post by: linux411 on November 11, 2009, 05:11:18 pm
Optical Laboratory Technician. Been using Linux since SLS was around in about '93 if I remember correctly. Then went to Slackware, then RedHat, then SUSE, then Debian, etc, etc, etc. LOL Been steady with Slackware for about 5 years now. Really enjoy VectorLinux so I'm trying it again. Like editing config files more than gui editors. A big "AWESOME JOB" goes out to all those involved in creating, updating and improving VectorLinux. Been through all of the top 100 and more on Ladislav Bodnar's listing. Of the "Derivative" Linux distros (hope no one minds the word I chose), I have to say VectorLinux is the best.