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Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: larryd782 on August 03, 2007, 05:36:56 pm

Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: larryd782 on August 03, 2007, 05:36:56 pm
One of the hot things with Linux right now is Beryl. People switching over from windos want the eye candy and they are not going to compile the xorg to do it. It should
be automatic like all the other distros.
Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: lagagnon on August 04, 2007, 05:23:46 pm
One of the hot things with Linux right now is Beryl. People switching over from windos want the eye candy and they are not going to compile the xorg to do it. It should be automatic like all the other distros.

BERYL: Biggest Efficiency Robber Yet on Linux.  :D
Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: rbistolfi on August 04, 2007, 05:27:06 pm
One of the hot things with Linux right now is Beryl. People switching over from windos want the eye candy and they are not going to compile the xorg to do it. It should be automatic like all the other distros.

BERYL: Biggest Efficiency Robber Yet on Linux.  :D

:D

I have a moderated position in matter of the eye candy debate, but I think the better reason to upgrade Xorg is the support for the newest video cards and new improvement on already working drivers.
Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: Joe1962 on August 04, 2007, 08:43:21 pm
BERYL: Biggest Efficiency Robber Yet on Linux.  :D
LMAO, totally agree. I just don't see the point of a rotating cube vs. several desktops selectable with the mouse wheel.

I think the better reason to upgrade Xorg is the support for the newest video cards and new improvement on already working drivers.
Agreed.
Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: blurymind on August 05, 2007, 04:56:34 am
beryl is still hawt,but everybody can enable composition and have transparent windows on xfce4, by editing xorg.conf...

What makes this jump to newer versions of packages is that with the older vector linux, the user couldnt use ALOT of applications (not only beryl) that used a newer gcc, a newer xorg, e newer everything, packages that were long upgraded on major distros and still old on vector.
The upgrade will open the doors to many applications and will boost vl's popularity. (hey, for example you can't use the latest version of skype with vl 5.8 std,because it needs a newer glibc)

In the Release post at DW you should mention beryl if you want,but should focus on the upgrades of major packages (finally an upgrade to catch up with ubuntu ,suse , fedora and the rest of the long list which had upgraded long before vl)

and yeah,the switching to linux windows user would definatelly want to see beryl. No matter what.
Title: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: larryd782 on August 05, 2007, 05:48:46 am
I agree that the newer xorg is good for a lot of things and it should have been in 5.8 SOHO.
About Beryl, Its great to look at and I always set it up but I very seldom use it. When I show it to someone they all say the same thing, I want that. I think it just gives
people another reason to switch to Linux which is a good thing. I think most of us will turn it off (Beryl) after we have had our fun with it.
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: The Headacher on August 05, 2007, 06:12:32 am
Guys, I split these posts from the rest of the bugreports to keep that place sort of clean. A lot of us have strong opinions on beryl/xorg, let's continue talking about that here and keep the bugreports thread for just bugs.
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: easuter on August 05, 2007, 07:43:30 am
Quote from: blurymind
and yeah,the switching to linux windows user would definatelly want to see beryl. No matter what.

I have to disagree with this. When I dumped Windows (only a year-and-a-half ago) I was really looking for something stable and at the same time fast. I didn't care much for special desktop appearance, and in any case, XP doesn't have much to boast about in that area either, since its GUI was clearly designed by FisherPrice.

IMHO, it would be a lot cooler to add good laptop support for SOHO 5.8.6 than to have a resource intensive window manager/desktop effects generator like beryl.
And its not like it can't be added on easily with slapt-get on this release.....the foundations (Xorg7, etc) are already in place.
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: lagagnon on August 05, 2007, 08:25:12 am
Guys, I split these posts from the rest of the bugreports to keep that place sort of clean.

Yeah, I was out of place with my initial little Beryl observation, but I couldn't resist that one. I apologize as a moderator who should know better.  :-[
Title: Re: VL 5.8.6 SOHO RC1 BUG THREAD
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 11, 2007, 05:14:16 pm
I just tried beryl because it's the major "upgrade" on this version. I'm turning it off now, I don't want my screens to wobble, I don't want a rotating cube and I certainly don't want tiny representations of my running programs to be displayed whenever I move the mouse to the top right to close a program.

That's how I feel about Beryl, too. I burned a VL Beryl LiveCD so I could see what the buzz was. The only one of my three computers it would work on was my laptop, which has an Intel graphics chip. My Compaq desktop would need the ATI proprietary driver installed, otherwise no 3D. My slower desktop has a Radeon 9200 that does 3D with the xorg driver, but it won't run Beryl. I don't know why.

My impression of Beryl on the laptop was ho-hum. I hate the cube and wobbling screens. There really was nothing I cared about and a lot that I didn't like at all.

None of the Windows users I know are salivating over Aero or getting Vista so they can have the eye candy. Well, I never checked with my 15-year-old nephew. He might have a different opinion. Enough said.<g>

I do know one non-kid Linux user who loves Beryl. The rest of us either don't care or don't like it. Of course, it's admittedly a small sample and not representative of Linux users or potential users, but then, what is?.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: blurymind on August 12, 2007, 04:19:22 am
i dont really care about beryl that much ,as to which packages were upgraded aside x11...

So which are upgraded? Is everything in slackware 12's package version upgrades here on 5.8.6?
I want to know if its worth hopping on next vec,or is it too early..

Does anybody know? I couldnt find a package list anywhere at the ftp, the announcement,the forum or at Vl's distrowatch page.. I want package list with their versions. Everything thats in that iso.

Now that beryl is gonna merge with compiz,we are gonna have trouble building it with all the gnome-bloat-dependencies..  >:( and im begining to hate gnome,with its terrible package structure,slowness and bugs..
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 23, 2007, 03:48:37 pm
the truth is eye candy or not. An xorg upgrade is due for vl but i do agree laptop support is a must
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: Dweeberkitty on August 31, 2007, 04:19:36 pm
Quick question, why is VL including Beryl which has now been discontinued and merged with compiz? Why not replace Beryl with compiz-fuzion?
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 31, 2007, 05:08:23 pm
Quick question, why is VL including Beryl which has now been discontinued and merged with compiz? Why not replace Beryl with compiz-fuzion?

A very short answer to that question:

5.8.6 kept the old tool chain. (old glibc version, old gcc and old binutils) Compiz-fusion needs glib > = 2.5 to function. Such an upgrade on 5.8.6 would break compatibilty with the previous vl versions.

Unless you're willing to make the upgrade yourself, you would not be able to enjoy fusion.
Needless to say, if you do perform such an upgrade, you would not be able to submit packages built on that install.

I've done my upgrade...and may I say it is worth every bit of it ;)
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: vector on August 31, 2007, 06:39:53 pm
when we jump to the 5.9.x series we will be compiz-fusion ready. At this point in development I am glad as were the other developers to take this migration in small steps as just the up grade to Xorg-7.2 has taken considerable work . Beryl is a bit buggy and now out dated but at least a taste of what is to come.
cheers,
vec
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 31, 2007, 07:05:06 pm
I guess it'll be ok for the time being since fusion is still under heavy development.
Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: The Headacher on September 01, 2007, 03:10:16 am
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Beryl is a bit buggy and now out dated but at least a taste of what is to come.

May I say that including a br0ken/buggy beryl is absolutely not in any way a good idea to promote a distro?
Just because it's eyecandy is no excuse for crappy software to be on a release that's supposed to go stable. I think stability is much more important than looks. If it has to be somewhere it should be in some "unstable" repo.

People who try SOHO 5.8.6 for the eyecandy will be disappointed with the buggy beryl. People who don't want the eyecandy might not even upgrade there 5.8 to 5.8.6 because of the few changes. I certainly won't switch my rock solid 5.8 just to get a newer xorg and kde, and possible dependency issues to boot. 

There seems to be little progress because there are few bughunters, and possible bugs that might still be found in the RC 1 are hopelessly outdated because by now there's an RC 1.11, which was never announced  (and nine others before it).

I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I honestly (still) don't see the point about 5.8.6, it seems like an eyecandy release, with buggy eyecandy. Yes, we get to test new xorg. But when this one works we'll get different xorg packages on 5.9 anyways right (since that'll be built with slack12 toolchain)?
Rather than focusing on the important development stuff we now have to test Beryl and such  :-\, while we should be testing the new Slack12 toolchain. On that, compiz-fusion should build fine too.

Title: Re: Talk about Beryl on VL 5.8.6 SOHO
Post by: Dweeberkitty on September 01, 2007, 02:01:46 pm
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I honestly (still) don't see the point about 5.8.6, it seems like an eyecandy release, with buggy eyecandy. Yes, we get to test new xorg. But when this one works we'll get different xorg packages on 5.9 anyways right (since that'll be built with slack12 toolchain)?
Rather than focusing on the important development stuff we now have to test Beryl and such  :-\, while we should be testing the new Slack12 toolchain. On that, compiz-fusion should build fine too.

I have to say, I whole-heartedly agree.