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Title: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 03:04:08 pm
hi everyone! ;D
like other people this is my frist time using linux.
I have a half dead pc (compac) with just enough system files to run.
so i can't install things there is no my documents  ect.
i was wondoring is it possible to whipe my hard drive and install VL?
 ???
If more details are need i will gladly give them.
thank you all,
strash :)
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: lagagnon on August 24, 2007, 06:01:36 pm
hi everyone! ;D
like other people this is my frist time using linux.

Welcome to VectorLinux. I hope you enjoy it - we all do!  :)
To be perfectly frank you will enjoy Linux much more if you do a bit of reading to familiarize yourself with it. A good place to start is our documentation, particularly our installation manual here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl58/manuals/vl5_installation_guide_en.html, plus the other manuals

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I have a half dead pc (compac) with just enough system files to run.
By half dead I hope you mean not the hardware only the Windows operating system - because if you have hardware problems Linux won't make any difference - although it does make it easier to diagnose hardware faults than Windows (IMHO). What are the specs of that Compaq??? - it is important for you to know them to determine what version of VL would suit it best.

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i was wondoring is it possible to whipe my hard drive and install VL?
When you install VL you will first of all create some partitions and then basically VL will write overtop of the stuff on the drive so you really do not need to do a wipe beforehand.
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 06:42:12 pm
wow really friendly support ;D
well its just the OS files i think the hardware is still good
the thing is when i put in the disc with the ISO image and boot it
it doesn't run it just goes to the broken Windows OS
(the disc drive does work i've tested it)
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on August 24, 2007, 07:11:56 pm
You probably need to set your computer to boot from the CDROM drive instead of the hard drive.

This may involve entering the BIOS setup. Do you know how to do that?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 07:19:30 pm
nope mind telling me how? ???  (am not very good at this kind of stuff) :(

Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on August 24, 2007, 07:37:35 pm
Okay, let's take this one step at the time.

If your computer has a floppy drive in it, try inserting a floppy and then power it up. Does it still go to the broken windows or do you get an error message?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: exeterdad on August 24, 2007, 07:43:25 pm
First of all strash...  Welcome to VectorLinux!  Well to the forums anyway!  :D We'll get you up and running in no time.  You'll find we strive to help out whomever needs it.  Especially people like you that have no prior knowledge of Linux.  So stick it out, and you will NOT regret it.  Besides... for selfish reasons, I can't wait to hear from you how much better that PC runs VL Powered.

It may be a bit tricky for us to tell you exactly how to set your BIOS as they are all so different.  We can help, but it's up to you to poke around and at least tell us what you see.

When you boot your computer there will be a very basic display.  Maybe some sort of graphic, but most likely words.  Often you will see some text telling you to press a certain key to access setup.  On mine the key is "delete".  Some computers use "F1" or "F3".  Sometimes it takes many tries to get into your BIOS.  Some computers are fussy and expect you to hit the key at a exact moment.

Once you get in to your BIOS, you will know it.  It looks very alien.  Usually the first set of settings you will come acrossed is the time and date settings.  Somewhere on the screen there will be text explaining what keys to use to navigate and change things.  Often all you need is the arrow keys, plus and minus keys and the enter key.

Navigate around until you find settings about "First boot device"  "Boot Order"  or something like that.  Usually the device boot order is: Floppy, hard drive, and then CDROM.  Swap things around until CDROM is the first boot device.

I can't tell you exactly how to save your BIOS changes as they vary.  Once again there should be some helpful text explaining what keys do what.  I would expect you would have to hit "Esc" to get out of the settings you just changed.  Then probably a "F Key"  maybe "F10" ? to exit and save changes.  It will or should ask you  Y or N about the changes.

Save those settings and your computer will restart.  Make sure the VL install CD is in the drive if you want a real OS installed!  ;)

It is possible your computer is too old to support booting from CD.  There are workarounds so don't panic. 

Let us know how you're making out.

One tip if you don't mind.  If you are not going to dual boot, make sure you have access to a computer with internet.  You might need us as a safety net if something goes haywire!

Good luck!
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 07:57:06 pm
Wow really really friendly support! :o ;D
Ok well in the bois i switch everything around
k if this matters the plug and play os thingy is on
The boot order is,
1 Cd-rom drive (the cd with the iso image is in)
2 removable devices
3 network boot
4 hard drive.
and even now it just takes like 10 more seconds to boot then goes to the windows logo (Xp home edition)
am look at the bios screen right now so if theres anything else i need 2 do...
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: exeterdad on August 24, 2007, 08:02:56 pm
Hmmmmm.....  I'm a bit stumped.  It should of picked it up (the bootable CD).  Your settings appear correct.

How did you burn the ISO?  Did you just copy it on to a CD because that will not work.  What software did you use?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 08:15:59 pm
well i (think if it did burn) i burned it with this
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/icey5_2007/it.jpg
here's the image in a folder

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/icey5_2007/ti.jpg
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: exeterdad on August 24, 2007, 08:24:10 pm
Okay, I am not familiar with the software, but I'm very sure you made a coaster.  It appears by the first picture, you created a "data" cd.  Which means you merely copied a file onto a cd.  There must be some sort of way to "burn CD image" "burn ISO image" or something like that.  That's what a ISO is...  A image of a CD or DVD.  That's not all it could be, but that doesn't pertain to this problem.  A data CD or DVD is not bootable.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: exeterdad on August 24, 2007, 08:28:32 pm
A quick Google of "NTI" and "iso" found this tidbit.  Maybe this makes sense?  Once again, I'm not familiar with the program.
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To burn the iso file, you go into copy then in the source select "disc image reader" then in target your burner, once you hit step 2 it will ask for the image file
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 08:51:42 pm
well ok i think i got it now ;D
like 15:00 minutes till its done ;D
but if it works THANKS!!!!  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: exeterdad on August 24, 2007, 09:07:21 pm
Good luck once again.  I need to be off to bed before my wife kicks me to the curb.  Don't be alarmed about anything.  The install may be a bit daunting since you've never done it before, but you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.  You'll do fine.  BTW  This machine is a 1 ghz Athlon Thunderbird.  Not impressive.  I don't know that it would run XP well.  It really does fly with VectorLinux. You will be very happy with Linux.  Don't give up.
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: hata_ph on August 24, 2007, 09:49:06 pm
try this for step by step installation guide for VL
http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3425.0

Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 09:57:26 pm
i F*cked up big time...
i installed it but something went wrong during the installation!  so now am trying to reinstall it what but now it won't boot the installer!!!
SOS  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: hata_ph on August 24, 2007, 10:15:51 pm
do you know what you did wrong?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 24, 2007, 10:27:55 pm
i think i tried to install it with out some file!
NOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING IT JUST LOCKS UP!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o
like when i get to the start screen where it has the penguin it locks up!
PLEASE HELP!
with out the linux swap thing (i think...)
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: hata_ph on August 24, 2007, 10:32:55 pm
I think should reinstall everything start from beginning........
how many HDD size you have?
you should at least how I swap, root and if can home partition.....just follow the link I send to you.....
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 25, 2007, 01:27:49 pm
i have a 50 gig hard drive
there was only one place to put the partition thingy and i put the type 83 like it said.
after that i couldn't make the type 82 thing because the [  NEW   ] button was gone. ???
is there a way to start fresh? 
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on August 25, 2007, 01:52:23 pm
Sounds like you made one big swap partition on your hard drive.

Start fresh by highlighting the partition using the up/down arrows, then choose delete with the right/left arrow keys. Make a new partition that does not fill the whole drive. It should default to "linux", don't change it. After that there should be some free space visible. Select it and create your additional partitions. Only for the swap partition do you need to mess with the "type" setting.

It is enough to just have one big linux partition plus a swap partiton. A good swap size is twice your ram up to a max of 512 mb. If you have a gig of ram, you can do without swap all together.

Don't forget to select "write" after you have made the changes.
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 25, 2007, 02:26:10 pm
ok so now i have partiaons
type 83 (linux)
type 82 (linux swap)
is that all that i need 2 make?
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on August 25, 2007, 02:45:59 pm
That will suffice.
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 25, 2007, 02:52:09 pm
cannot extract required/velinux.tlz maybe the file is corrupt or the parition is full the current installation is in unkown state
ummm what does that mean?
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on August 25, 2007, 03:32:51 pm
Could be either:

- Your CD is corrupt, either from a bad download or burn.
There is a procedure for verifying a downloaded file. Google for md5sum.

- There is not enough room on the hard disk.
How did you partition it? Did you make a linux partition big enough, like 5 GB or more?

- Your computer is having hardware problems.
Since you are experiencing lockups this is possible. You may want to try a LiveCD version and see how it runs.
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on August 25, 2007, 09:12:45 pm
ok i re-downloaded and burned again now it crashes at the end of the install!
(annoying com...  :'( )
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: bigpaws on August 25, 2007, 09:16:29 pm
Please describe crashes. Do the install hang as in nothing else happens. Maybe there is a blank screen. Is this a problem after probing (setting up video)? After which screen does this crash?

Bigpaws
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: hata_ph on August 25, 2007, 11:31:39 pm
if the screen just turn blank it could be the monitor is in save mode......just press the up dawn button
it happen to me when I first install VL
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: strash on September 10, 2007, 07:56:25 pm
Well now i got it installed  :P
but i can't really do anything when i run just the linux shell it crash same with the linux-GUI
i can only use the linux-iun (or something like that..)
 ???
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: nightflier on September 11, 2007, 05:34:28 am
linux-tui?  (Text User Interface).

Well, if that runs you have a starting point. Try some text mode applications, like mc, links, htop, and see what they do. If the shell is working okay, from there you can troubleshoot and fix problems with X-windows (GUI).
Title: Re: Half Dead Pc
Post by: Freston on September 11, 2007, 06:11:12 am
I also had only a working TUI upon first install. It's resolvable, but you might get your feet wet. The trouble with my system was that Vector auto-installed the VIA driver, a driver of which I experienced more trouble before. I could have copied&pasted the generic vesa driver into my xorg.conf, but I was lazier than that... I just copied the whole xorg.conf of my Slack install, and all was well ;D

Can you post the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?

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By the way, was vesa not an option during install?