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Title: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: mathomas3 on September 22, 2007, 10:19:47 am
hi there...

i will make this short... i have a internet connection that has a CAP on how much you can D/L in a month... and im in iraq so i cant use some different internet connection...

so... i would like to use Vector linux... but it needs to be SMALL...  small as can be... 600 megs... tooo much... but maybe i can get by with a 300 or less size D/L... anyone have ideas???

where could i get it... someone package it differently??? hmmm...
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: kidd on September 22, 2007, 10:37:38 am
Hi

If your quote gets reseted every month, you could

wget http://.......VL.iso       

and stop when you want, and the next month

wget -c http://.......VL.iso

to complete the download

HTH
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: mathomas3 on September 22, 2007, 10:41:17 am
this is very true... and i just might end up doing that... but in the mean time...

i am interested in continueing the work VL started 8? years ago... when the distro was 50 megs... i would like to continue that same work...

so... im thinking a distro with nothing but xorg complete drivers and a browser should do it... so the user can install what they want...

the object would be to make a distro that makes it easy to add software to... but come with just the basics keeping it small and simple!
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 22, 2007, 05:00:58 pm
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed with how huge even the Standard version of Vector is these days, so I've been looking for a new home.  :-\

One that I've been keeping my eye on is TinyMe (http://tinyme.mypclinuxos.com/), which is a stripped-down 200MB version of PCLinuxOS.  Their front page is down at the moment, you can download it from their wiki at http://tinyme.wikidot.com/download

If you want to stay in the Slackware family, check out NimbleX (http://www.nimblex.net/).  They've got a sub-100MB edition (http://www.nimblex.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=55) that even includes KDE!
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Pita on September 22, 2007, 06:18:29 pm
There is DSL, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ just melow 50 M. I like it and is my last resort when others fail.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: mathomas3 on September 23, 2007, 08:23:10 am
this is a message i sent to VEC... tell me what you think... it's a little long... but i think it has a point....

oh and he hasnt gotten back to me on it  :-\



yea... guess i have been a stranger...

haha.. well... yea... im about done out here... but still have some time left... glad i didnt ahve to stay the 15 months most guys have to do...

well... i have been looking for a distro of late... cant D/L anything large... but something small i can... say smaller then 200 megs... had to laugh on distro watch says you like to keep things small and simple... but your smallest ISO is like 600 megs... what ever happen to that... i remember that when i started with VL it had two different types the large one and small one...

really wish you would of continued that... i like having to add what software that i need...

not sure how long it would take... but is it possible to make a smaller distro to put out... maybe something just for me... i know that would be asking alot... i hope it would be as simple as deleting a few files and ISOing it and your done... but dont go out of your way...

are you still using that texted based util that would setup your system?

in the mean time i have tried ubutuo backtrack damnsmall and lindows... have yet to find one that works...

you know the thing that turns me away from different systems is that they take longer then a day to get working after install... that's about how long i can wait to get something working till i reghost my machine with Wincrap...

and that's what turned me away from VL a while ago... it was a struggle to get working... and drivers and dependancies were not there...

if you were to ask me what im looking for in a distro would be...

a small and simple distro with easy install to HD and up to date Libs... current codecs, Open Office, Media player, and Firefox... and a windows envirment that's slick... not old... like maybe enlightenment but maybe ghome and or KDE... and the ability to install new software with little struggle... im ok with compiling software but not with missing drivers or Dependicies...

that's what i would like...

now... if after i get home i would like to help in some way... like maybe manage a smaller subdistro... that would meet those goals... to keep the bulk of a 700 iso to a min. 

now as for as my knowlege of linux goes... well... im still a nub... i have worked with scripting before... and i can read and understand code well... but i have not coded with linux much... i know how to get around.. but say... if you had a read-only FS mounted at /dev/sda1... i wouldnt know how to make it so i could write to that Partition... like in the backtrack distro there is a command that i used that got around it without mounting it else where... it's little things like that that i would need to learn... but i think it's time that i do learn those tricks... oh and i have compiled a kernal before... but it failed badly... it worked... but i loaded options that i didnt need thus mad a large waste of space in the kernal...

if you have the time i would like to work with you on a distro...

what i was thinking is that i could take what you have for a standard distro and strip it down to what i would need... and for a time run it like that... and maybe add some things to it later on...

What do you think of all that? it's alot i know... but it's something that i have been looking for for years... and that's what drew me to VL along time ago... and you no longer offer... i would like to fill that void...

oh... and please get back with me on if you would be so kind to make a smaller ISO that i could D/L to use out here in iraq... thanks...

and the laptop im using is a Dell 1705.. with the ATI graphics card... with the different distros i have tried... i was able to get everything working cept maybe the media controls on the front...  but 3d graphics accelation worked! so... there is no reason i cant get it to work with VL...
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: hata_ph on September 23, 2007, 09:52:07 am
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a small and simple distro with easy install to HD and up to date Libs... current codecs, Open Office, Media player, and Firefox... and a windows envirment that's slick... not old... like maybe enlightenment but maybe ghome and or KDE... and the ability to install new software with little struggle... im ok with compiling software but not with missing drivers or Dependicies...

I don't believe you can have KDE or Gnome with ISO size below 100MB....right?
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: The Headacher on September 23, 2007, 10:07:06 am
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and that's what turned me away from VL a while ago... it was a struggle to get working... and drivers and dependancies were not there...
A lot has changed since then.

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a small and simple distro with easy install to HD and up to date Libs... current codecs, Open Office, Media player, and Firefox... and a windows envirment that's slick... not old... like maybe enlightenment but maybe ghome and or KDE... and the ability to install new software with little struggle... im ok with compiling software but not with missing drivers or Dependicies...

that's what i would like...
I thought you wanted small? The gnome packages together are something like 900 MB (installed IIRC) , openoffice is over 300 MB (82 MB as a package), and if you want all of kde you'll probably loose another couple of hundred MB's.

Looks to me like you want 2 things that are fundamentally conflicting. You can't have a minimal system, and have all the dependencies you'd ever need.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 23, 2007, 10:22:44 am
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a small and simple distro with easy install to HD and up to date Libs... current codecs, Open Office, Media player, and Firefox... and a windows envirment that's slick... not old... like maybe enlightenment but maybe ghome and or KDE... and the ability to install new software with little struggle... im ok with compiling software but not with missing drivers or Dependicies...

I don't believe you can have KDE or Gnome with ISO size below 100MB....right?

Well thanks to LZMA compression the total of GNOME core packages is probably in the 60 MB range. Add to that all the extras that actually make it useful, then yes, probably in the 100MB range (just for the packages of course, not decompressed size).

Basically, we now have people tugging at both ends of the rope. Some want VL to become a 64bit, have even more extras like HAL and i18n packages installed by default....others want it to be slimmed down a lot more...and others (this is already the third end of the rope   :D) want it to have all the extras and be slim at the same time.

The latter is like trying to stuff an elephant into a Mini.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 23, 2007, 10:42:30 am
I don't believe you can have KDE or Gnome with ISO size below 100MB....right?
You missed my post.  The NimbleX guys have created a Slackware-based LiveCD that does exactly that.

http://www.nimblex.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=55

Honestly, though, I'd like to see what can be done with around 200MB or so.

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Basically, we now have people tugging at both ends of the rope. Some want VL to become a 64bit, have even more extras like HAL and i18n packages installed by default....others want it to be slimmed down a lot more...and others (this is already the third end of the rope   Cheesy) want it to have all the extras and be slim at the same time.
Once upon a time, that was supposed to be the point of having Standard and Soho.  But today Standard is almost as huge as Soho; it's more about just Xfce vs KDE than small & light vs full-featured.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 23, 2007, 10:47:57 am
I don't believe you can have KDE or Gnome with ISO size below 100MB....right?
You missed my post.  The NimbleX guys have created a Slackware-based LiveCD that does exactly that.

http://www.nimblex.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=55

Apparently  you missed the OP's post. He wants KDE + OpenOffice and all the goodness a "fat" ISO would provide.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 23, 2007, 10:56:39 am
He wants KDE, an office suite, browser, and media player.  NimbleX is KDE-based.  It already includes Xine and XMMS, so there's the media player portion.  Firefox is less than 10MB, and you could toss in Siag Office (http://siag.nu/) and still keep the whole thing to about 115MB.

EDIT: Oh yeah, no need for Firefox, NimbleX already comes with Konqueror!  So yeah, figgure 105MB or so.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 23, 2007, 11:02:00 am
He wants an office suite, browser, and media player.  NimbleX already includes Xine and XMMS, so there's the media player portion.  Firefox is less than 10MB, and you could toss in Siag Office (http://siag.nu/) and still keep the whole thing to about 115MB.

EDIT: Oh yeah, no need for Firefox, NimbleX already comes with Konqueror!  So yeah, figgure 105MB or so.

Well, in that case this thread is fairly pointless  :D
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: kidd on September 23, 2007, 11:06:08 am
I think there are 2 approaches to that issue.

-Arch way:Download a basic iso with NIC cards drivers and linux kernel, and then download each package you need with pacman.   From my point of view this is only for experts, because many people (more ppl every day in desktop environments) are scared of terminals.

Problems:  Nothing can be automated. If you don't have X, there's no point in installing codecs with the iso.  So you'll have to install them manually when you need it.

Now imagine someone does not install VASM.  There's no problem in not installing it, but I think vl is meant to be a collection of things as a group, not just as many inconex parts.

-Trimmed down VL version: If packaging another iso without kernel headers, and less options from extra (opera,mplayer,putty....)  is a matter of deleting the files and repackaging the iso,  maybe it's a cool thing to have (and developing time is really small)
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 23, 2007, 11:06:43 am
If he wants Firefox and OpenOffice specifically, yeah, that adds a bit more, but even then we're still looking at an ISO that's about 350MB smaller than VL 5.8 Standard.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 23, 2007, 11:17:23 am
If he wants Firefox and OpenOffice specifically, yeah, that adds a bit more, but even then we're still looking at an ISO that's about 350MB smaller than VL 5.8 Standard.

Yeah, add GCC to that. I don't know what I'd do without it, its one of the essential tools to have in a distro.
Sooner or later you will need it for building the odd program from source.

Almost forgot the kernel source code...how much bitching there was because 3d drivers couldn't be compiled out-of-the box on VL 5.1.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: hata_ph on September 23, 2007, 11:21:23 am
VL is about choices.......I do respect what some ppls want but to re-create another trimmed version of VL need man power. There is already standard and SOHO version. And I believe there is another request for 64-bit version. Do VL Dev. team have enough time and man power to do it?

PS: I believe VL with a less ISO size is a bonus for us all but it all depend on the creator and developer to decide. No matter what, I do enjoy the speed and friendliness of VL that it offer now. 8)
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 23, 2007, 11:26:35 am
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Yeah, add GCC to that. I don't know what I'd do without it
You'd download it from the repo, of course.  ;)

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VL is about choices.......I do respect what some ppls want but to re-create another trimmed version of VL need man power. There is already standard and SOHO version. And I believe there is another request for 64-bit version. Do VL Dev. team have enough time and man power to do it?
Well like I said, once upon a time Standard WAS the trimmed-down version.  I just wanna see it get back to that!
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: kidd on September 23, 2007, 11:28:58 am
PS: I believe VL with a less ISO size is a bonus for us all but it all depend on the creator and developer to decide. No matter what, I do enjoy the speed and friendliness of VL that it offer now. 8)
Amen
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 23, 2007, 11:29:56 am
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Well like I said, once upon a time Standard WAS the trimmed-down version.  I just wanna see it get back to that!

Nobody is stopping you  ;)
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: hata_ph on September 23, 2007, 11:31:32 am
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Well like I said, once upon a time Standard WAS the trimmed-down version.  I just wanna see it get back to that!

maybe some one can volunteer to do it....... :P :P :P
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: rbistolfi on September 23, 2007, 01:17:26 pm
I think given the fact soho and std have the same base, there is really not important difference between them. Of course, std is lighter than soho, the ram usage is the main diff, imho. But if you boot in tui, they are the same to me.
As far as I know, a single cd distro is a small one for today standards. A 700mb download is not a very big one, (and I live in a country where internet is expensive, I connect with a UsRobotic 56k dial up modem, a nice old serial one, but I download the isos in an internet cafe for AR$ 5, US$ 1.5).
One thing to think about is Xfce is getting bigger. In a 128ram box, I uninstall xfce and install fluxbox or icewm. Not too much work. You can get a slimed down VL just using the installer carefuly. An option to not install Xfce but yes X would be useful, though, if you dont have much hd space.
I read a Con Kolivas interview some time ago (sorry I lost the link) where the guy said basicly there is no good desktop today. And I think he is right. Think about it, the systems are not essentially better than 10 years ago, and the hardware needed to run it is 10 times bigger. A nice example is Vista, it is not essentially different than w98 (but for the tons of drivers included) and the sys required is 32 times bigger.
IMHO, In that scenario, VL is a terrific os, giving a lot of features with a very reasonable  list of hardware requeriments. Of course, it will not cover every one needs, but that is why there is puppy linux.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 23, 2007, 09:00:45 pm
I have no interest whatever in a slimmed down VectorLinux. There already are distros that are 200 megs or less. Why should VL duplicate those? I don't think of various distros as being in competition. Whatever you're looking for, there's a Linux distro that will provide it. There's no reason one distro has to satisfy the lean and mean crowd, the eye candy crowd, the basic-but-full crowd, the everything-but-the-kitchen-sink crowd. If VL Standard is too big for you, get Damn Small Linux or Puppy or some other deliberately small distro.

The computing universe moves on. Hardware today is much more sophisticated than it was 10 years ago, or five years ago. We want that hardware to be supported, which means a larger kernel or many more modules. Graphic cards and chips are much more powerful than they used to be. Huge flat panel monitors are now affordable. Why be minimalist?

I'm not a fan of old hardware, either. My budget doesn't allow cutting edge, but I don't want to be stuck in 1999 either. Or 2003, for that matter.

I like Standard as it is now. I'm not particularly interested in having a small distro and I don't care much whether everything fits on one CD, but I do want a solid, basic system on which I can build exactly what I want and that doesn't come with KDE and/or Gnome, neither of which I like.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Toe on September 23, 2007, 11:02:42 pm
OK, if Vector doesn't care about being lightweight/usable on old hardware anymore, is it time to abandon the Standard/SOHO dichotomy?  I don't see much point in keeping two separate distros around, otherwise.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Colonel Panic on September 23, 2007, 11:53:47 pm
OK, if Vector doesn't care about being lightweight/usable on old hardware anymore, is it time to abandon the Standard/SOHO dichotomy?  I don't see much point in keeping two separate distros around, otherwise.

I agree, but my impression is that it takes longer to test a KDE-based distro than an XFCE- or IceWM-based one, so by having the two we get to have a "quick release" distro while we're waiting for SOHO to come out. Maybe the testers will put me right on this.

Colonel Panic (posting from Fluxbox)
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: easuter on September 24, 2007, 12:37:32 am
OK, if Vector doesn't care about being lightweight/usable on old hardware anymore, is it time to abandon the Standard/SOHO dichotomy?  I don't see much point in keeping two separate distros around, otherwise.

VL 5.8 Standard runs just fine on my laptop (P3 450mhz, 128mb ram). The only difference from the stock installation is that I use WindowMaker instead of XFce. My "devbox" is a P3 900mhz with 256mb. And in WindowMaker RAM consumption is at about 22MB, Xfce 48MB.

In case you haven't noticed, Standard ships with lightweight apps, while SOHO ships with heavier apps. Example: I don't use OO on my computers because its like molasus. I use Abiword an Gnumeric. Just two examples.

So, to recap:
Standard: lightweight lightweight lightweight apps
SOHO: heavier heavier heavier apps

Just look at the forums and see how many people love Standard for its speed (on old hardware, mind you).
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: The Headacher on September 24, 2007, 12:46:56 am
OK, if Vector doesn't care about being lightweight/usable on old hardware anymore, is it time to abandon the Standard/SOHO dichotomy?  I don't see much point in keeping two separate distros around, otherwise.
There's a difference between some users saying they don't care about lightweight and "Vector" not caring. You took 1 or 2 users comments and blew them way out of proportion

Also, AFAIR this was about the size of the distro.
Just because vl 5.8 std is not as trimmed down as some people would like to have it doesn't mean 5.8 won't do a nice job on older computers. Remember that the OP wanted a small distro yet with KDE and OpenOffice? that's exactly the sort of stuff that isn't on 5.8 standard because it's meant to be light(er) weight.

There is always going to be some hardware specification that's going to be too low for VL. If you happen to have one of those boxes... that's a darn shame (for you). But on the other hand you can't build a distro that's minimal enough to run on let's say a p1 200 yet satisfies most people who don't have a dinosaur for a computer.

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I agree, but my impression is that it takes longer to test a KDE-based distro than an XFCE- or IceWM-based one, so by having the two we get to have a "quick release" distro while we're waiting for SOHO to come out.
You have no idea much work has to be done to build standard (noticed the "pseudo" releases Uel has built? he built a lot more like these, and it's only sometime in the near future this will "morph" into a 5.9 beta). It is this work on which SOHO is built. Basically, SOHO is the "quicker release" of the 2, since a lot of the work has already been done for standard.

Also, it's pretty easy to "SOHOize" your standard install If needed. The other way around is probably harder.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: BlueMage on September 24, 2007, 03:45:03 am
You have no idea much work has to be done to build standard (noticed the "pseudo" releases Uel has built? he built a lot more like these, and it's only sometime in the near future this will "morph" into a 5.9 beta). It is this work on which SOHO is built. Basically, SOHO is the "quicker release" of the 2, since a lot of the work has already been done for standard.

Also, it's pretty easy to "SOHOize" your standard install If needed. The other way around is probably harder.

How does that work?  I'd've thought given the greater (amount of) content, SOHO would be more tedious to put together, at least.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: The Headacher on September 24, 2007, 04:22:46 am
well, first you take Slack 12. Then you make the changes that make VL what it is (startup scripts, vasm, pkgtools-tukaani, gslapt/slapt-get etc) and make a "Dynamite" or "pseudo" (or whatever you want to call it) .iso. From that you build standard.

When it is finally "stable", you add some packages, remove some others, and you have a SOHO beta (well obviously some other stuff has to be changed too, like slapt-get's config ). Even though SOHO contains more software than std, a lot of it is part of "bulk" packages, like "kdemultimedia", "kdegraphics" etc. Those packages are pretty stable, easy to build and hardly ever have problems in them. And they are meant to be used with KDE, whereas a lot of the packages on std might have to be tweaked.

Please don't think I could do this myself (kudos to Uelsk8s for doing it), and my previous statement may be wrong, but still SOHO is easier to build from a standard version than it would be to do it from the ground up.

Obviously SOHO would be done sooner if there wasn't a standard version to build first, but this work on standard does mean less work has to be done for SOHO.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: nightflier on September 24, 2007, 04:44:58 am
it's pretty easy to "SOHOize" your standard install If needed

I have tried doing just that. The result is not the same as SOHO proper, and I was not as happy with the result as I am with a package assembled and tweaked by developers who know a lot more than me. I like SOHO.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: rbistolfi on September 24, 2007, 05:28:10 am
I just want to add this: Standard is almost perfect, IMO. Is not about just being light for old hardware, as Granny pointed many times, is about efficiency.  Even when I have a decent machine, I dont want to run unnecessary stuff, daemons, unuseful bloated things, etc, etc. Is a waste of resources, energy and time. The system needs more attention in security, in stability. An efficient system is great in many senses. You dont need to upgrade hardware every six month. VL runs great in 1ghz cpu and 512 mb of ram. Its greener, we all know that is important now. The system is more simple, ie, more easy to maintain / configure / customize.
So, I dont see the point of change something great. Of course, always is room for improvement, and perhaps in a long future better features will be added, and others needs just to be well documented, as the install in a usb flashdrive or a very minimal base install with the chance to grow via slapt-get.
Again, if you need a very small linux for really old hardware, you can have basicLinux in a floppy, DSL / Puppy Linux, in a 50megs iso, and so on... There is a Linux distro for each person in this planet.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: exeterdad on September 24, 2007, 05:55:02 am
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Well like I said, once upon a time Standard WAS the trimmed-down version.  I just wanna see it get back to that!

maybe some one can volunteer to do it....... :P :P :P

Not me baby!  :D Those nifty distro's that trim every teeny tiny little piece of fat of their packages so they can make the size quota allowed, are also trimming away things that SOMEONE will miss and raise heck about.  Packages would be built without support for other packages.  I'm not a fan of most minimalistic applications.  When I'm working on something, I want to get it done.  Not spending my time starting a project with one application, and then have to load up one or more "helper" applications to complete what I'm working on.

Giving credit where credit is due though, those "micro distro's" do a fantastic job.  But still, things are lacking.
GrannyGeek said so many things well.  This quote in particular:
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The computing universe moves on. Hardware today is much more sophisticated than it was 10 years ago, or five years ago.
VL accommodates the old, and the new very, very well. To do that, and keep the majority happy, there needs to be some stuff on those CD's. Compared to other distro's, VL is a small download.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: nubcnubdo on September 24, 2007, 08:57:17 am
I agree that VL Standard approaches perfection, but would also like to see a barebones version of VL for the purpose of custom installs and experimentation.  So I favor a ~200 MB version of VL with selectable DE/WM.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: marcus on September 25, 2007, 02:33:17 pm
There is something called Damn Small Linux. I think it needs less than 100 MB.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: BlueMage on September 25, 2007, 04:11:11 pm
There is something called Damn Small Linux. I think it needs less than 100 MB.

Less than 50 you mean :)

Hmm, really should get it again.  It'll complement Puppy nicely methinks.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: alec on September 26, 2007, 01:03:43 am
Back on monthly quota of download. From my experience, snail mail will be faster in this case. You get someone "over here" with fast connection to burn all isos you need and send to "over there" by regular snail mail. You will get the desired result faster and the net quota is available for solving questions that may arise.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: nubcnubdo on September 26, 2007, 05:58:33 am
NimbleX sub100MB Edition claims to be the fastest booting KDE distro at ~40 seconds.
http://www.nimblex.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=87&Itemid=55
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Joe1962 on September 26, 2007, 06:21:09 am
NimbleX sub100MB Edition claims to be the fastest booting KDE distro at ~40 seconds.
NimbleX is neat, especially their "roll-your-own" page, but I'm not too sure about that claim. I'm pretty sure I've seen comparable times posted here (or on IRC) for SOHO.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: DrGrov on September 26, 2007, 05:32:46 pm
There seems to be quite a lot of opinions about what Standard/SOHO should be about.
I actually feel like 5.8 Standard as some of you have pointed out, it's perfect as it is.
Nothing to change, works well. 5 browsers to choose from, why on earth would anyone want to cut down this possibility that VL provides???
And it's not only about the browsers. Several apps for each purpose, it's the user who decides what to use and what not.
I don't see much sense in having VL becoming one of the smallest distros with perhaps a total size of around 200-250MB without the possiblity to choose what to use.
It's so much easier in my humble opinion to have users customize a perfect VL install and make it to what they want to have.

I use Fluxbox now since I felt like a change from KDE, WindowMaker, E17, IceWM, XFCE. I've tried probably around 90% of the WM's/DE's ( I refer to the MOST USED ONES!) at least so that I get an impression about them. It's perfect that Standard is with XFCE, SOHO with KDE. Then the user can choose from the repositories what WM/DE to go with.
IMHO, it doesn't have to be so [censored] difficult. :) Keep VL as it is, keep up the good work! I'm at least very happy on the development.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: caitlyn on September 27, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
Good very small distros <330MB abound.  Some even have KDE :)  personally though about building a mini Vector but I've pretty much decided I don't need to reinvent the wheel.  As much as I like VL I don't have to use it exclusively, do I?

A great choice for you would be Slax 6 RC6.  It's just under 200MB and has KDE but no OpenOffice.  OOO could be added and you'd still be around 300MB.  Slax is a live CD based on Slackware 12 but can be installed to a hard drive in frugal mode (think Knoppix Poorman's install) much like Damn Small Linux.  See http://www.slax.org (http://www.slax.org)  (NOTE:  I have a HD install script for Slax and AliXe I'm testing but I probably won't have time to finish it until after I move.)

Other good choices for those who like Xfce and don't demand KDE are:


I hope this helps or at least gives some people new toys to try :)
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: rbistolfi on September 27, 2007, 04:51:24 pm
  • GoblinX Mini -- Perhaps the prettiest mini distro to date.  Fits on an 8cm CD-ROM  ~199 MB  http://www.goblinx.com.br/en/index_news.htm (http://www.goblinx.com.br/en/index_news.htm)


I like GoblinX veru much, and it has the best artwork. My friends from the next door, Brazil, are giving very good projects lastly.
Title: Re: Needed SMALL LINUX...
Post by: Colonel Panic on September 30, 2007, 11:27:25 am
Good very small distros <330MB abound.  Some even have KDE :)  personally though about building a mini Vector but I've pretty much decided I don't need to reinvent the wheel.  As much as I like VL I don't have to use it exclusively, do I?

A great choice for you would be Slax 6 RC6.  It's just under 200MB and has KDE but no OpenOffice.  OOO could be added and you'd still be around 300MB.  Slax is a live CD based on Slackware 12 but can be installed to a hard drive in frugal mode (think Knoppix Poorman's install) much like Damn Small Linux.  See http://www.slax.org (http://www.slax.org)  (NOTE:  I have a HD install script for Slax and AliXe I'm testing but I probably won't have time to finish it until after I move.)

Other good choices for those who like Xfce and don't demand KDE are:
  • AliXe -- Slax with Xfce 4.4.1 and some other apps, plus French localization available  ~328MB http://alixe.org (http://alixe.org)
  • Wolvix Cub -- Another excellent Xfce distro based on heavily updated Slackware 11 (like VL) with hard drive installation fully supported.  ~250MB  http://wolvix.org/node/613 (http://wolvix.org/node/613)
  • GoblinX Mini -- Perhaps the prettiest mini distro to date.  Fits on an 8cm CD-ROM  ~199 MB  http://www.goblinx.com.br/en/index_news.htm (http://www.goblinx.com.br/en/index_news.htm)


I hope this helps or at least gives some people new toys to try :)

Yeah, Wolvix have joined forces with Martin Ultima who's in charge of Ultima Linux (but doesn't have a download link for it at the moment). That collaboration could be fruitful.