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Title: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 22, 2007, 11:52:09 pm
Please post bugs for VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 here.
Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on October 23, 2007, 02:23:22 am
Just loaded this and found that it doesn't pick up the second optical drive on the system - when I insert a cd into the drive I get an icon pop up and when I double click on it I get this message:

A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

I have HAL enabled.

Also I noticed that when you are first given the option of changing the key map on installation that I can't change the original US layout - though I can later though that also does not take - I have a @ where the " should be and visa versa.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: The Headacher on October 23, 2007, 02:30:08 am
- The readme on the installer seems old.

- It's not quite clear to me what the other kernel is for.. Is it just a newer version? Or does it have special abilities?

- I chose "Autoconfig" during configuration of X, this caused tiny fonts. Using 1024x768 looks a lot better. Even though auto also sets it up as 1024 x 768.

- I noticed that tilda has been included. While I'm a big fan of "quake style terminals", this one doesn't seem quite ready for inclusion on a stable release. It behaves quite badly when transparancy is used, and for some reason it doesn't seem to be possible to have it use the top 20 pixels or so, except after exiting the preferences screen. But after hiding / bringing it up again the top few pixels are not used by it again. I didn't have this problem with the package Uelsk8s built on beta 1 though (the transparancy problem was there as well).

Screenie: (click for larger image)
(http://the.headacher.googlepages.com/tilda_misbehaves_small.png) (http://the.headacher.googlepages.com/tilda_misbehaves.png)

- ffmpeg still needs libdc1394 (which isn't included).

- hardinfo still crashes when "sensors" is selected.

Well, that's it for now ;).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 23, 2007, 07:50:57 am
First the good news: Accepting defaults for nvidia-legacy gave me version 96.43.01 and performance is great. No lockups as with previous version.   :)

- Superfluous entry in context menu for images: "open with gqview" + "open with GQview".

- Logout bug still there.

- Mplayer still will not open media files on samba shares if there are spaces in filename/path. Audacious and Xine do not have that problem.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 23, 2007, 08:19:02 am
Just loaded this and found that it doesn't pick up the second optical drive on the system - when I insert a cd into the drive I get an icon pop up and when I double click on it I get this message:

A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

I have HAL enabled.

Same result here. Also, the "mount devices" on the panel does nothing with respect to the one drive it shows (/dev/cdrom).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 23, 2007, 08:19:33 am
Quote
First the good news: Accepting defaults for nvidia-legacy gave me version 96.43.01 and performance is great. No lockups as with previous version.
Me too!  ;)
Quote
- Superfluous entry in context menu for images: "open with gqview" + "open with GQview".
Me too.

Num Lock and caps lock working again.  Num lock acts in reverse in Xfce if activated at KDM greet.

Neither CD ROM picked up.  One reads/writes anything, other is just CD ROM. 
/dev/cdrom > /dev/scd0
/dev/cdwriter > scd0

Both drives are actually /dev/{hdc,hdd}.  I can make them work great by adjusting sym links.

Mount devices plugin in Xfce could really use command: "Thunar" changed to "Thunar %m" so Thunar opens at the mount point rather in users home dir.

Xfburn can't find any devices. Because they aren't there    :P
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 23, 2007, 08:44:51 am
Code: [Select]
$ catfish
Warning: The optional module xdg.Mime is missing.
slocate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db':  No such file or directory

Edit: After running updatedb and opening/closing catfish a couple of times, using slocate for searches now work. Still complaining about xdg.Mime missing.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on October 23, 2007, 10:05:14 am
And to be honest I don't like the new art work... though that is just a matter of taste.

Also the menus for the various window managers/environments don't match, applications are missing from them, and I don't mean ones that are specific to the administration of that particular environment/manager.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 23, 2007, 03:38:31 pm
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Neither CD ROM picked up.  One reads/writes anything, other is just CD ROM.
/dev/cdrom > /dev/scd0
/dev/cdwriter > scd0

Both drives are actually /dev/{hdc,hdd}.  I can make them work great by adjusting sym links.
Thought I'd share some debug info with the devs rather then simply saying that it doesn't work.

Here's the output of: udevtest /block/hdd
http://pastebin.org/5762
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 23, 2007, 06:18:03 pm
can you remove the cdrom symlinks then download this file: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/cdrom-symlinks.sh
put it in /lib/udev set it executable and then reboot
let us know if it fixes the cdrom symlinks.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 23, 2007, 07:19:51 pm
No luck my friend.  I've reinstalled since so it has original /dev/*

Quote
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*           
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     9 2007-10-23 11:41 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0
brw-rw---- 1 root   24 24, 0 1994-07-18 12:07 /dev/cdu535

Showing the new file in place:
Quote
leeh:$ ls -l /lib/udev/cd*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3285 2007-10-23 22:07 /lib/udev/cdrom-symlinks.sh*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7752 2007-10-16 15:39 /lib/udev/cdrom_id*

Is there some missing hardware database?  I've been pulling my hair out trying to remember what it's called. The debug info I posted earlier shows complaints about a missing db.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 23, 2007, 07:56:49 pm
Can you move the file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules to anywhere else and then reboot and see if it changes anything?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 23, 2007, 07:58:06 pm
also message in /var/log/messages that relate to messages in debug
Quote
root:# grep -r "_id" /var/log/messages
Oct 23 22:13:49 vector edd_id[2174]: main: no kernel EDD support

Tried modprobe edd and restarting udev and nothing exciting.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 23, 2007, 08:03:58 pm
Okay, gone. Same sym link as before.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 23, 2007, 11:10:29 pm
I installed it today on my laptop, which had a very hard time with Beta 1. Good news and bad news.

First, the good news. I was able to get a successful installation using the sata kernel. That is, I had to type
sata
at the first prompt after the CD boots. First I had tried with the default kernel, but the installation halted after the first "floppy 0" line and required turning off the power switch. So I tried "sata" and that went all the way through without incident.

I did not install a boot loader and am using the CD to boot into the installation. I use the
sata root=/dev/hda6 ro
command to boot. In contrast to Beta 1, I did have modules in lsmod. I had no modules in lsmod with Beta 1. However, some were missing that I thought should be there, so I'm still not sure that things are working right. I did install the proprietary nVidia driver, which seems to have worked properly. Startx brought up the nVidia screen and then XFce, which looked good and at 1280x800 (though I haven't confirmed that yet).

Now the bad news:
* No sound comes out of the speakers. No sound has ever come out of the speakers, whether on VectorLinux 5.8 or 5.9 installed in a Linux partition or from one of the many LiveCDs I've tried. So that problem remains. It's obviously not VL's problem.
* I tried to get my wireless working. When I got to the
modprobe ndiswrapper
part, I got "ndiswrapper not found". When I ran
ndiswrapper -l
the only driver listed was the rtl8185 that I had just installed. Nothing else. So something seems amiss with ndiswrapper. Also, when I did ifconfig before I started working on the wireless, I got no eth0, which is odd because there is an Ethernet chip in the laptop and it works well with Linux. I would expect to see forcedeth in lsmod, but there was nothing there. It should have been added automatically.

So, without a network I can't go much farther. Pity.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: blurymind on October 24, 2007, 12:46:26 am
grannygeek>I had the no sound problem with pseudo. try alsaconfig.
I think there was something wrong with the mixer then.The problem was not with the sound device but with xfce.Every time i logged in,sound was turned off by default. I had to do something to enable it,but i dont remember anymore what it was. :(
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Masta on October 24, 2007, 12:51:44 am
And to be honest I don't like the new art work... though that is just a matter of taste.

suggestions are always helpful  ;)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on October 24, 2007, 12:56:01 am
To be honest I loved the art work for Vector 5.01 and 5.1.  I don't like the wallpaper used as background for the log in screen or for the initial splash screen.   
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 24, 2007, 06:59:37 am
Window managers. According to release announcement "include Xfce4, jwm, fluxbox"..

- Only choices I see using vasm are twm and xfce4. Both give you xfce4.
- trying startfluxbox: Couldn't connect to XServer
- trying startfluxbox-desk: command not found
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 24, 2007, 07:21:40 am
Window managers. According to release announcement "include Xfce4, jwm, fluxbox"..

- Only choices I see using vasm are twm and xfce4. Both give you xfce4.
- trying startfluxbox: Couldn't connect to XServer
- trying startfluxbox-desk: command not found
Was fluxbox selected when you installed from the CD?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: phantomgannon on October 24, 2007, 09:15:47 am
Installed fine but Xsane can't find my Canon Lide60 scanner (which works fine on the 5.8 live CD) also trying "hp-setup" for my HP Photosmart 8250 printer gives me

error: PyQt not installed. GUI not available. Exiting.
error: PyQt init failed. Reverting to interactive mode.
error: You must be root to run this utility.

On a side note will there be a music manager with ipod support on the standard version's final release? The SOHO release has Amarok so maybe Exaile would be good for the standard version.

Other than that it looks great & very nippy!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 24, 2007, 09:55:09 am
Install was fine, with one exception. Using 'auto' to configure X left me with a US keyboard layout  in X instead of the UK layout I selected in the prior stage.

Minor annoyance - MC still says that a .tlz file doesn't look like a tar archive.

Gslapt locked up on me several times.

The system won't mount optical drives. I've tried both Vl-hot and HAL. HAL puts an icon on the desktop, but any attempt to open it comes up with "A secutiry policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.HAL.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name" (unset) destination "org.freedesktop.Hal").

A USB flash drive also fails to mount using HAL - I get a few flashes from the drive, but there is no icon and it does not seem to mount anywhere at all..

:) Otherwise, it seems to be running well

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 24, 2007, 11:10:32 am
Was fluxbox selected when you installed from the CD?

It is part of the default selection. I did not uncheck it.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 24, 2007, 12:48:11 pm
Was fluxbox selected when you installed from the CD?

It is part of the default selection. I did not uncheck it.
Just checking  :) I'm using Fluxbox at the moment via KDM
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 24, 2007, 04:07:53 pm
It works if I use GUI login. When I boot to command line first, I can only get xfce4.

Reason why I mention it is that "startfluxbox" and "startfluxbox-desk" are on the list of useful commands at the greeting prompt. If they don't work they should be removed.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 24, 2007, 08:32:57 pm
I messed up the udev rules pretty bad in Beta2.
Anyone that is having problem with hardware please give this ISO a try:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.3.iso
it should fix cdrom, wireless and other HW issues.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 25, 2007, 02:27:17 am
I messed up the udev rules pretty bad in Beta2.
Anyone that is having problem with hardware please give this ISO a try:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.3.iso
it should fix cdrom, wireless and other HW issues.

Installed. I'm currently using HAL (haven't tried Vl-hot yet). CDs now load correctly. However, attempting to mount a USB flash drive fails with the same "security policy" error that I was seeing with beta2 on CDs. In addtion, after double-clicking on the icon, when the error popu is closed, the icon stays with the mouse cursor and gets dragged over the screen.

Keyboard layout. In beta 1, both the console and X keyboard layouts were set correctly after install. With beta2, I used the auto setup for X and ended up with US layout in X. With beta 2.3, I used the manual (select 1024x768 resolution) and still ended up with the US keyboard layout in X - had to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get the correct UK layout.

Annoyances - MC still doesn't recognize .tlz package files as archives.

I find the standard mouse cursor much too big on the laptop screen, so I use the mouse setting to reduce its size. Works fine, but doesn't work properly in some X apps. For instance, in Seamonkey, the mouse cursor is quite a bit larger than it is on the desktop. Spoils the otherwise excellent aesthetics of the desktop.

The new Vlpackager looks a lot better than the last version. There is still some minor truncation on the middle button, but it looks and works much better than it did. One item - first time I tried to fire it up, I must have mistyped the root password. No error - it just failed silently, leaving me wondering what was going on...

On a matter of how things look - the ability to use the Thunar context menu to install packages is great, but the icons for the install, remove and explode options are broken. In addition, if you look at Zenwalk, its similar function is a bit easier to understand - it provides a progress bar and closes when the package is installed. With Vector, I'm left wondering if the package has installed, or, on a big package, wondering if it is doing anything until the final information box comes up.

More later - so far it looks very promising....

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on October 25, 2007, 04:03:19 am
My observations:
1.Wifi radar cannot be launched.
2. I cannot make my ASUS A9RP laptop`s USB wifi card to work (it works well under latest ubuntu 7.10 and Sabayon with zd1211[rw] module). It was the same problem with the latest Vector SOHO but I thought it was due to older kernel version. Since 2.6.22 zd1211 should work properly (and it does as I mentioned above).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on October 25, 2007, 04:45:25 am
My other observations on ASUS A9RP laptop:

1. clicking on Volume Control icon shows empty window
2. I cannot make my screen brighter or dimmer using laptop`s function keys (possible before booting Vector and on Ubuntu and PC-BSD)
3. Xine and Mplayer shows vertical bars instead of movie (sound is OK), both AVI and MOV files.
4. There is no default aplication connected to PDF files when clicking on them
5. hardinfo gui crashes when clicking on sensors.
6. hardinfo and lsub shows no devices though I have USB wifi and mouse
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 25, 2007, 09:23:07 am
As a follow on, I've now switched to Vl-hot, and USB devices load correctly. I'm also able to manually mount CDs.

Another problem noticed in Beta1 is still there as well - using VASM to add partitions, /dev/hda1 is correctly identified as NTFS/HPFS (its a Windows NTFS partition) in the first page, but the add routine then treats it as XFS,

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: caitlyn on October 25, 2007, 09:43:25 am
Downloaded and installed B2 on my Toshiba Satellite 1805-S204.  Here's what I ran into:


The good news:  it's very fast and most things I've tried so far do work.

I have mixed feelings about xfburn being the only burning software included on the iso.  It is very small and lightweight and seems to work fine but it is terribly feature poor.  I'd still like to see gnomebaker offered in the repository.  Maybe I'll have to build it when I have time to get back into packaging things.  The number of text editors have been paired down as well.  I liked having at least one developers' editor (i.e.: medit) available as an install option.

I'll reinstall from the new iso and play some more...

-Cait
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 25, 2007, 05:05:47 pm
Install was fine, with one exception. Using 'auto' to configure X left me with a US keyboard layout  in X instead of the UK layout I selected in the prior stage.

I need some help from those of you that use keyboard layouts besides US.
I need you to run vxconf as root and choose the desired layout and then post the contents of the keyboard section of xorg.conf
mine looks like this
Code: [Select]
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"   ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
EndSection
after that let me know if the keyboard map works for you and if not what you had to do to fix it.
Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: thump on October 25, 2007, 07:20:30 pm
D/L'ed and installed beta2. The only problems I found were that the beta driver for nvidia cards won't install and my Ensoniq sound card wasn't detected. Beta1 got them both right.
D/L'ing beta2.3 now. Will install tomorrow after work, and try to get in a report.
@ uelsk8s
I read where you wrote that you did something wrong with the udev rules (was that right? ).
Read carefully: It's a beta. It's supposed to hose the computer. If it didn't, I'd never have any fun testing and hosing my computers. (4 of them for playing, 1 for serious stuff :p )
Thanks for the hard work you've done.
Bill
edit: I promise I'm not tripping! I just looked at my install disc, and it's beta2. So it's the Ensoniq card and the nvidia beta driver that won't work with b2. Sorry for the mix-up.
B.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 25, 2007, 08:49:49 pm
I worked some more today with Beta2 on the Celeron computer. When I went to install my LaserJet 4 PostScript printer through CUPS, I couldn't find any PostScript drivers for the LJ4 in the CUPS list. They all used CUPS + Gutenprint or GimpPrint, but PostScript printers don't need those. What I did was copy a LaserJet 4 PostScript PPD from my Windows partition, which CUPS used, and that worked fine. I'm sure that in Beta 1 there was a PostScript option for the LJ4.

All the NTFS drives I mounted allowed access only to root. I fixed that by copying a line from /etc/fstab in my VL 5.8 partition on the same computer. Some guidance for users who want to have user access to their NTFS drives would be very useful, as well as instructions to use ntfs-3g in fstab if they want to write to their drives.

I'm happy to report that my ancient Microtek ScanMaker E6 attached to an old, old Adaptec cheapo ISA SCSI card is working very well on beta 2.

I'm downloading the new ISO in hopes it might fix the problems I had on the Turion laptop.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 25, 2007, 09:06:09 pm
grannygeek>I had the no sound problem with pseudo. try alsaconfig.
I think there was something wrong with the mixer then.The problem was not with the sound device but with xfce.Every time i logged in,sound was turned off by default. I had to do something to enable it,but i dont remember anymore what it was. :(

Thanks for trying to help. I've run alsaconfig--again and again. The mixer is right, though limited. It offers just Master, Capture, and Mic. Master is not muted. Sound is on when VL loads and XFce loads. I have tried numerous LiveCDs for various distros and none of them can get sound out of the speakers, either. They all *think* sound is working. There's no sound when I play an audio CD, either.

When I get around to it I'll send a message to the ALSA developers.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Gslapt Package Manager "hangs"
Post by: mcrofutt on October 26, 2007, 05:05:12 am
Hi all,
 this is a brand new install of 5.9 beta2. Install went as smooth as ever, reboot was as fast as ever, but, when I ran Gslapt package manager to update it froze solid. There were a few updates using the stock repositories so I chose to install. Things were smooth until it was updating the AbiWord plug-ins. That's where it froze. I thought it was just a lengthy process so I went on to bed. Well it was still frozen 7 hours later.
Anyone else have this happen? How'd you fix it?
Mark
Title: Re: Gslapt Package Manager "hangs"
Post by: toothandnail on October 26, 2007, 05:47:58 am
Hi all,
 this is a brand new install of 5.9 beta2. Install went as smooth as ever, reboot was as fast as ever, but, when I ran Gslapt package manager to update it froze solid. There were a few updates using the stock repositories so I chose to install. Things were smooth until it was updating the AbiWord plug-ins. That's where it froze. I thought it was just a lengthy process so I went on to bed. Well it was still frozen 7 hours later.
Anyone else have this happen? How'd you fix it?
Mark

Same here. At the same point as well. In the end I could only kill Gslapt. Tried a couple of times, and it locks up at the same point.

If I restart, it locks up again attempting to upgrade cruxports4slack.

paul.
Title: Re: Gslapt Package Manager "hangs"
Post by: mcrofutt on October 26, 2007, 05:51:43 am
I logged out and back in and restarted gslapt. It finished the AbiWord update then hung at the desktop config of the final update. After logging out and back in again, gslapt showed all ok and I guess the quirks are something to look into.
Overall I really LIKE this distro as it's SUPER fast on my system!
Mark
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 26, 2007, 05:52:57 am
Install was fine, with one exception. Using 'auto' to configure X left me with a US keyboard layout  in X instead of the UK layout I selected in the prior stage.

I need some help from those of you that use keyboard layouts besides US.
I need you to run vxconf as root and choose the desired layout and then post the contents of the keyboard section of xorg.conf
mine looks like this
Code: [Select]
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"   ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
EndSection
after that let me know if the keyboard map works for you and if not what you had to do to fix it.
Thanks,
Uelsk8s

Ok. Just ran vxconf from a terminal. Strange. It worked correctly this time. The keboard section of the new xorg.conf is as below:

Code: [Select]
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "gb"    ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
    Option      "XkbModel" "pc102"    ## KEYBOARD_MODEL!
    Option      "XkbVariant" ""    ## KEYBOARD_VARIANT!
EndSection

The xorg.conf produced during the original install had "Xkblayout" "us", which had to be changed to "gb".

No idea why it worked this time but not during the installation. I made the same choices again...

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 26, 2007, 09:46:27 am
Beta 2.3:

Optical drives, hdc=DVDROM, hdd=CDRW
- Only one show up in fstab:
  /dev/cdrom   /mnt/cdrom   iso9660      users,noauto,ro
- With VL-Hot, no auto-detecton or automount. I can mount manually.
- With HAL, both pop up on the desktop when I insert a disc, but only one, hdc, will automount or eject from desktop icon.
-- On the good side, xfburn did pick up the drives and identified the burner.

Keyboard:
- Trying to select Norwegian during setup had no effect, stayed at us.
- After running vxconf and selecting "no", I did get some changes in keyboard behavior on command line, but it was not Norwegian as I know it. When running X it returned to "us".

xorg.conf section, Initial:
Code: [Select]
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"    ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
Option  "XkbModel"  ""    ## KEYBOARD_MODEL!
Option  "Xkbvariant"  ""    ## KEYBOARD_VARIANT!
EndSection

xorg.conf after vxconf:
Code: [Select]
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"    ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
    Option      "XkbModel" "pc104"    ## KEYBOARD_MODEL!
    Option      "XkbVariant" ""    ## KEYBOARD_VARIANT!
EndSection

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 26, 2007, 09:53:49 am
Installed vl5.9b.3 yesterday morning.  Thought I'd test drive awhile. I like it! rules.d sure looks cleaner.  It's a shame we aren't using that neat cdrom rule making script, that thing was a work of art. But the one we are using now "just works".  My multi-function drive won't burn ram disks without some rule tweaking, but the rules are fine for the majority of users.
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/dev/dvd   /mnt/dvd   iso9660      users,noauto,ro
Did show up twice in fstab.  Not a biggie.

Noticed many things mentioned earlier are fixed.  Thanks for listening guys  :)

I've been working on a few things that will give "progress" and notification of completion, for some of the right click functions in Xfce.  I'm in agreement that it's a bit unsettling for the user. I'm going to polish them up a bit before submitting to the dev's for approval and possible use.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 26, 2007, 12:54:38 pm
exeterdad,
I have the vinstallpkg and vremovepkg fixed so they give a progress message while the package is being installed or removed.
they will be in next release let me know what else you are working on.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
 
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 26, 2007, 02:50:45 pm
I installed 5.9 beta 2.3 on my very difficult laptop, hoping for the best. Unfortunately, the same problems persist. I had to use the sata boot option. Using the default kernel resulted in the same hang just after the Floppy Drive line early in the process. With the sata boot option everything proceeded nicely. I'd say beta 2.3's installation went much more smoothly than my previous tries with beta 1 and beta 2.

I am not using LILO and I boot into 5.9 on the laptop by typing
sata root=/dev/hda6 ro
at the boot prompt of the installation CD. When I check lsmod it looks as if the proper modules are loaded. Unfortunately, no sound comes out of the speakers, which has always been the case. I'm getting the correct mixer and everything seems okay, but no sound can be heard. No distro or LiveCD has ever gotten sound out of the speakers. The sound works fine, as it plays well in Windows Vista and in my 5.8 Standard in a VirtualBox vm under Vista.

Unless I can get wireless working, there is no point in doing anything with the installation. I need to use ndiswrapper and carefully followed the Wireless HowTo up to the point of doing
modprobe ndiswrapper. That returns FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. So I can't go any farther if I can't get the module loaded. I had the very same problem with beta 2. Also, there are apparently no usual ndiswrapper drivers included, as the one I loaded for rtl8185 is the only thing that appears in /etc/ndiswrapper or when I do a ndiswrapper -l command. Is anybody else having this "Module ndiswrapper not found" problem?

So that's where we stand with the laptop.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 26, 2007, 04:48:11 pm
GrannyGeek, and anyone else that needs ndiswrapper with the alternate kernel
you can get the ndiswrapper module here http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/ndiswrapper.ko
put it in /lib/modules/2.6.22.10sm/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ and then run "depmod -aq"
you should then be able to use ndiswrapper

thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VECTOR STANDARD 5.9-BETA2 released
Post by: Pita on October 26, 2007, 09:01:13 pm
Installed fine w/o freeze unlike beta1 on vlatin installing.

Blank screen after logout fixed, great.

Could not get an audio CD to play.

In xfce4 frozen-bubble crashes and kills xfce4. In fluxbox frozen-bubble can be played, no crash.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 26, 2007, 09:21:35 pm
Thanks very much. I downloaded the file to a shared partition and got it loaded. modprobe ndiswrapper worked.

Unfortunately, I have the same inability to make a wireless connection with WPA as I had in VL 5.8 and the earlier betas.

So I'm batting zero on the two major problems: no wireless (hence no Internet) and no sound.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 26, 2007, 09:43:33 pm
GrannyGeek,
these drivers are supposed to fix your sound issue. http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/alsa-driver-1.0.15_2.6.22.10sm-i586-2vl59.tlz

does unsecured wireless work for you? if so what steps do you take to enable wpa?

What model gateway laptop do you own?

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Failed to read splash image
Post by: demigaucher on October 26, 2007, 11:17:48 pm
Hi everybody

At boot, I get first the message "Failed to read splash image (overify (hd0,0)/boot/bitmap/boot.xpm) etc..."

No really a problem: I just hit the <RETURN> key, and obtain the GRUB multiboot menu; but could be puzzling
for a newbie.  By the way, I checked: in /boot/bitmap, there exists boot.xpm, which is a link to boot-grub.xpm,
itself present and being an image.  I don't understand.

More tests to come (problems with USB pendrives).

By the way, the problems I could not overcome in VL5.9-BETA_1 with graphic display seem to have been solved.
Congratulations.

Best regards to all

Demigaucher

Old pentium 4 @700 MHz, 320 MB ram




Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 27, 2007, 05:36:17 am
I'm having problems with Gslapt under the beta. Using 'update', 'mark all upgrades' followed by 'execute' results in some of the packages being installed, followed by a lockup. I can kill the process and restart, but it locks every time left to itself.

Selecting individual packages seems to work ok.

On another topic, its nice to have Wbar included, but the package is incomplete - no sign of the man pages, which makes it a bit difficult to customise.

I've been running 5.9 beta2.3 for a couple of days now. Generally stable, looks good... I just had to reinstall it a short time ago, after Gslapt did something it shouldn't have (and my knowledge of problem recovery under Vector was insufficient to fix the problem). On reinstall, the keyboard under X was misset again, even though I had selected UK during the install.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 27, 2007, 07:45:10 am
First install of b2 and it is typical VL - fast. I used the vinstall-iso method after resizing a few partitions with GParted Live. After about an hour of use this is what I noted:
-no "compact" line in lilo.conf so I added it and got rid of all the dots on boot and saved about 7 seconds
-the blue "satin sheet" background looks nice but distracts from the VL logo's visibility; perhaps using a different shade of blue would be better?
-in terminal using apps that have F10 to quit doesn't quit but rather opens the File menu
-ppracer works for the first time ever on my laptop
-vpackager has multiple problems: doesn't auto-create /tmp/vpackager-builds so I manually did that, then will stop with error on finding other existing directories (looks like it truncates or drops characters in the path it's trying to cd to), occasionally it would stop in the middle of decompressing the tarball with no warning or error.
-several shared libs that are part of 5.8 seem to be missing
-appreciate that Tux-On-Ice (suspend2) is enabled on the default kernel although I did not try it as I haven't added the pointer to my swap partition to lilo (will try that later)

I would request that ntfs-3g be the default ntfs access used. While editing fstab is not a problem I would suspect that most who dual boot with Windows ntfs partitions would prefer that approach.
Mike
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 27, 2007, 08:08:35 am
-in terminal using apps that have F10 to quit doesn't quit but rather opens the File menu

That drove me nuts until I found out how to change it: Terminal > Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts > Disable menu key.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 27, 2007, 08:33:46 am
Thanks, I'll do that right away!  :P
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 27, 2007, 09:09:30 am
-in terminal using apps that have F10 to quit doesn't quit but rather opens the File menu

That drove me nuts until I found out how to change it: Terminal > Edit > Preferences > Shortcuts > Disable menu key.

 ;D Even better - Terminal > Edit > Preferences > Appearance > untick Display Menubar in new Windows.

The right click context menu gives you all you need, and you get better use of the window area without the menubar.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: didfem on October 27, 2007, 09:35:47 am
My comments regard mostly the wording of some windows shown during install.

The message that states "FOUND EXISTING XORG.CONF ..." is very confusing since "OK" is not an answer to the question asked. It may have to be rephrased.

The message : "KEEP DEFAULT KEYBOARD MAP & LAYOUT" near the end of the install relates to keyboard mapping and configuration for the X server, but it's not indicated. What I mean to say is that the user does not realize that it's a setup different from the one that was previously done for the text console keyboard mapping. The normal user (I sometimes indulge myself into thinking that I am "normal"!) does not realize that it's a different setup this time and doesn't do the necessary change. It is precisely what I did (or what I didn't do, to be grammatically correct!). I managed to set it right afterward, once I rebooted into VL. By the way, that XWINDOW option in VASM is great. Was it there in 5.8?

Another problem that is not related directly to VL-5.9 or any VL, but has more to do with the packages in the distribution is the spellchecker in AbiWord. I have been attempting for hours to change it to French Canadian, trying everything I found on the Web, but to no avail. It would be nice to add a French version of AbiWord in the list of availalbe VL packages.

A little annoyance is the requirement to configure the cdrom in VASM, as if the system didn't know there is a cd drive although it was just used to install the distro ...!

Of course, localisation for French and Canadian French would be nice, particularly in light of the fact that Vector Linux is Canadian. I am quite willing to help translating the distro.

Still, on the overall, VL is a wonderfully efficient distribution that, like a good wine, was made with the best ingredients but becomes better with age.

didfem


Title: Re: vpackager bugs found on the beta ISO releases
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 27, 2007, 04:24:52 pm
I'd like to ask everyone to report vpackager related bugs in the Beta releases to this other thread

http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4259.0

This would help keep them isolated from the general Distro bugs, and I can find them easily and get them worked out.
Filling out an official bug report is also an option. This can be done at http://code.google.com/p/vpackager/issues/list

This would help make the vpackager development more efficient and much faster.
Thanks

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 27, 2007, 04:51:30 pm
these drivers are supposed to fix your sound issue. http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/alsa-driver-1.0.15_2.6.22.10sm-i586-2vl59.tlz

What model gateway laptop do you own?

I thought I was going to have great news to report because I finally succeeded in getting connected with WPA. I was able to set up an nfs network with my other computers and to be on the Web for several hours. But then what I feared would happen did happen. On the only two LiveCD distros where I was able to get wireless WPA working (PCLinuxOS and Mandriva One), the connection would disappear for no reason and it would be difficult or impossible to get it back without rebooting. Alas, the same thing happened in 5.9--several times. The network connection just vanished and I couldn't re-establish it without rebooting. It's the network connection itself, not just the Internet connection. In Vista the wireless never drops, never has problems, is always very strong. Any ideas on what might be going on?

After three reboots caused by the wireless going out three times and not getting established again, I gave up. It's just not usable. Maybe there's a fix, but given that it has happened under PCLinuxOS and Mandriva One and now VL 5.9, things don't look good.

I downloaded and installed the driver file for ALSA that you posted. Well, it's worse than ever now, if such a thing would be possible given that there was no sound before. I ran alsaconf as root and it found hda=intel for the sound, etc., and said ALSA is ready for use. Ha! Not by a long shot! When I tried to run alsamixer, I got this dreaded message:
alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

And indeed, there is no snd-hda-intel in lsmod. If I do
modprobe snd-hda-intel
I get this:
FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22.10sm/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

This is what's in dmesg:
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_verbose_printd
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kzalloc
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kcalloc
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kfree
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_verbose_printk
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_boolean_mono_info
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kstrdup
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kmalloc
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_verbose_printd
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kzalloc
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kcalloc
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kfree
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_verbose_printk
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_boolean_mono_info
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kstrdup
snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_hidden_kmalloc

In my previous attempts to fix sound under 5.8 Standard I did build all the 1.0.15 stuff from ALSA, not just the drivers. No joy. I also tried building with a patch that was reported to help some problems with snd-hda-intel, but I got a bunch of those "Unknown symbol" errors.

When you said "these drivers are supposed to fix your sound issue" I wonder if you found something I haven't yet found. From time to time I search the Web hoping there is now a solution and I think I've tried everything suggested, but nothing has gotten sound from the speakers. I think my next step is to contact the ALSA people and hopefully, they'll let me know if there's anything on the horizon that might help.

The laptop is a Gateway MT3423. Here are the results of lspci:
root:# lspci
00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI-X GeForce Go 6100 (rev a2)
00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a3)
00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a3)
00:0a.3 Co-processor: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PMU (rev a3)
00:0b.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0b.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev a3)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev f1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
06:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)

/proc/asound/cards says
--- no soundcards ---  

So you see the sound situation is dire.

I'm really losing hope of ever getting VL installed on its own partition in this laptop. I was so hopeful when I got wireless established with WPA, but it proved to be so unreliable that it's useless. I'm downloading alpha3 of 64-bit VL and will see if I have better luck with it.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VECTOR STANDARD 5.9-BETA2 released
Post by: Pita on October 27, 2007, 08:46:44 pm
Installed fine w/o freeze unlike beta1 on vlatin installing.

Blank screen after logout fixed, great.

Could not get an audio CD to play, in fact could not mount the CD at all, therfore, not playing anything.

In xfce4 frozen-bubble crashes and kills xfce4. In fluxbox frozen-bubble can be played, no crash.

Cannot get my Epson LQ300 printer to print. Trying to configure in http://localhost:631/admin in Devices: there is no "Unknown USB #1" as I have in VL-5.8 cups-1.2.9. Copying printers.conf over from VL-5.8 and doing lpq I can see the printer jobs, however no printing. Printing a test page I get error: Printer not connected. My Epson is connected with a parallel adapter cable to a usb port.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: BlueMage on October 27, 2007, 09:57:38 pm
Holy shit this looks nice.  Of course, required some screwing around with the vinstall-iso script - it's not going to screw things up too much that I commented out the "mount /sys" line is it?

Pretty rapid install.  Though, it seems like vl-hot isn't working (it is included, right?) and if it is, it's not creating desktop links.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 28, 2007, 12:17:00 am
Pretty rapid install.  Though, it seems like vl-hot isn't working (it is included, right?) and if it is, it's not creating desktop links.

Are you using beta 2.3? Vl-hot didn't work for me in beta2, but is working in beta 2.3. HAL still doesn't work properly for me in beta 2.3 though.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: BlueMage on October 28, 2007, 04:46:38 am
Just Beta 2 I'm afraid.  Not that I'm worried - it's enough of a mission to install Vector on this box, I'm not going to let a little thing like vl-hot not working stop me.

That said, I'm also pleased to report that the diversions - all the nice little games and such - work wonderfully.  Even better, I can consistently play Chromium and get sound (on my SOHO5.8 box sound rarely, if ever, works in Chromium) and I can actually play PPRacer.  Interestingly, I know for a fact that the hardware in this machine is not as good as the hardware in my SOHO machine, so I guess that means the dev crew get another tip of my metaphorical hat.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 28, 2007, 06:45:28 am
Just Beta 2 I'm afraid.  Not that I'm worried - it's enough of a mission to install Vector on this box, I'm not going to let a little thing like vl-hot not working stop me.

Reason I asked was because beta 2.3 has fixed the Vl-hot problems I was having, though it hasn't completely solved the HAL problems.

Quote
That said, I'm also pleased to report that the diversions - all the nice little games and such - work wonderfully.  Even better, I can consistently play Chromium and get sound (on my SOHO5.8 box sound rarely, if ever, works in Chromium) and I can actually play PPRacer.  Interestingly, I know for a fact that the hardware in this machine is not as good as the hardware in my SOHO machine, so I guess that means the dev crew get another tip of my metaphorical hat.

 ;D I'm not used to having games available - been running Zenwalk for the last 18 months or so.

I have hit another small problem with the beta - decided to try Fluxbox in place of Xfce. That worked, but when I logged out of Fluxbox, I couldn't use the "system" button on the login menu. Ended up having to reboot to get back to Xfce. 

Still, the beta has been pretty stable, and most things work quite well. So far, I'm impressed...

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 28, 2007, 09:55:59 am
I messed up the udev rules pretty bad in Beta2.
Anyone that is having problem with hardware please give this ISO a try:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.3.iso
it should fix cdrom, wireless and other HW issues.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s

Could you post the md5sum for this? I get a decompression error and wonder if it's the iso or my laptop (optical drive died yesterday)! >:(
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 28, 2007, 10:06:06 am
40d6675dc8f5092c8d3e31b171bd07a0  VL5.9-STD-B2.3.iso
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 28, 2007, 10:16:44 am
Thank you, my image has the right md5...I sure hope my laptop isn't on it's last leg! I'll try another download (not that it makes sense to do so) and see if that gives a different result (definition of crazy right?).

later at the ranch...
Following directions would be nice wouldn't it. My partition with the iso was ro vs rw.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 28, 2007, 11:58:08 am
I just tried to start another installation, not intending to go through it, but wanting to have a look at the steps invovled. This was with beta 2.3

In this instance, instead of using 'linux vga=791" I used "linux2 vga=791" ( :-[ hadn't noticed earlier that linux2 is supposed to be the default). Using this option, I hit a problem very early in the installation. I went through the normal procedure of selecting a keyboard layout, then went to test the it. Instead of being the UK layout I had selected, it was still at the default US layout. Not a good start...

I didn't have this problem when using "linux" instead of "linux2", so something in the new initrd doesn't seem to be working correctly.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: caitlyn on October 28, 2007, 03:42:18 pm
Comments on beta 2.3:

Bluefish icon issue and udev issue fixed.  VL-Hot works great with no extraneous icons.

The install problem (X) on the Toshiba Satellite  laptop remains as does the grub menu problem.

Reboot on my laptop also doesn't work -- only Ubuntu gets this right so far.  Toshiba and toshiba_acpi kernel modules also not loaded on boot.  I can change this, of course, but it would be nice if the installer detected the hardware like other distros and enabled the modules automagically.

I'll be doing more testing and reporting...

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on October 29, 2007, 12:21:39 am
VL59-STD-BETA-2.3

Good News

CD now working.

Printer printing after copying VL5.8 printers.conf over.

Frozen-Bubble does not crash anymore in xfce4.

Bad News

Unable to connect to the Internet.

Fluxbox does not open.

System hangs again with blank screen as in BETA1 on logout, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, Alt-F*.

Regards

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Dweeberkitty on October 29, 2007, 11:02:49 am
I finally got around to downloading VL 5.9 Beta2.3. All I can say is wow! I should have stuck with Beta1. What a mess.

NVIDIA Drivers:
•   When I installed, the driver chooser thing came up and I chose NVIDIA-latest (later I also tried the 9xxx one). It compiled fine and everything. Good.
•   After the install, I loaded up the system but X failed. It couldn't find the nvidia module. Bad.
•   I tried VASM to fix it but that didn't work (I'll tell a little bit more about that later) to finally get to X I had to use the vesa driver. This doesn't look so nice because the resolution is all wrong and I can't have any 3D acceleration.
•   I tried to reinstall the nvidia drivers by running
Code: [Select]
./usr/src/vl-pkgs/NVIDIA-100.14.23/nvidia-installer This however didn't work and it failed saying it it couldn't find the kernel source. So I ran the nvidia installer again only this time passing:
Code: [Select]
--kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-2.6.22.9/ It seemed to compile fine but again the nvidia driver failed with this error:
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ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This happens most frequently when this kernel module was built against the wrong or improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that differes from the one used to build the target kernel, or if a driver such as rivafb/nvidiafb is present and prevents the NVIDIA kernel module from obtaining ownership of the NVIDIA device(s).

Sound:
•   My sound card was correctly detected on install.
•   When I try to "play" a file I get this error:
Quote
ALSA lib confmisc.c:769:(parse_card) cannot find card
ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
ALSA lib confmisc.c:392:(snd_func_concat) error evaluating strings
ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_concat returned error: No such device
ALSA lib confmisc.c:1251:(snd_func_refer) error evaluating name
ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such device
ALSA lib conf.c:3982:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device
ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
sox: Failed writing default: cannot open audio device
•   Even though my card was correctly detected in the installer, when I run alsaconf later, it politely informs me that "No PCI or PNP cards found." Bummer, no sound.

Vasm XWMSET:
•   Trying to change the default window manager for all users has no effect. Xfce is always loaded by default with startx.

Vasm XDMSET:
•   When I tried to change login managers I got an error when loading init 4:
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which: no gdm in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin)
which: no wdm in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin)
•   This happens no matter whether I chose KDM or XDM. After trying to change it back numerous times, it finally worked and I was able to go back to KDM.

Vasm Xconf:
•   As I mentioned before, I tried to use Vasm to fix my X server after nvidia failed. Vasm seems to be working up until you get to the part when it asks about screen resolution. I usually chose AutoConfig and it works. But no matter what I chose, I find that Xconf quits and acts like it finished making its xorg.conf. In other words, after the resolution screen, it drops back to the main menu. And it doesn't fix the xorg.conf. It moves it so now your X system is messed up. If I weren't a Linux geek it would be reinstall time.
•   The problem right now is that if you're not a geek or a CLI expert, messing up your Xorg server is equivalent to hosing your system. I did some searching for fixes to this and here's what I found. The Ubuntu guys came up with a nice solution for this problem, not that I'm an Ubuntu fan (I'm not) but it seems like a nice fix nonetheless. They call it the "BulletProof X" and it basically works like this: IF your xorg.conf file is messed up and X fails to start, THEN it loads up X in a "safe mode" (really just like the xorg-vesa.conf) and then displays  a message that you are in safe mode and gives some info on how to fix it. It would be nice if when the average user's X gets horked, it will boot into some safe mode thing that can get them out of a pinch (especially if they are not very good at the CLI) Here is BulletProof X: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX)

Startfluxbox(-desk):
•   From the terminal startfluxbox "Error: Couldn't connect to Xserver"
•   startfluxbox-desk doesn't exist

KDM login:
•   Funky login! But the System and Session buttons don't work on the left half of the buttons. They work on the right half. (This may be because my screen resolution is all messed up but I doubt it)

Fluxbox:
•   Multimedia->Graphics->gimp-2.2 shouldn't be there

Desktop Background:
•   Wow, an uglier background could not be found. A better one would make the whole desktop look much more polished and professional.

HAL:
•   I'm experiencing all the HAL problems that have already been reported. However, HAL worked perfectly for me in Beta1

Modules:
•   When I was trying to fix nvidia, I ran lsmod. Interestingly, there are NO modules loaded. There's something wrong with this picture.

In short, I couldn't get nvidia drivers or sound to work. And those are the two main things that I need for packaging. I can't compile or test a lot of the multimedia programs for the Multimedia Bonus Disc if my system is messed up in those two things. Also I experienced major problems with Vasm and X. Either VL is having the equivalent of a "bad hair day" or I don't know what I'm doing. (I'd like to think it was the former) I appreciate all the work it takes to get a distro ready. Keep going!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 29, 2007, 05:00:35 pm
Thanks for testing everyone.
I have a new iso to test here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.4.iso
should solve a few things.

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on October 29, 2007, 06:11:39 pm
I have a new iso to test here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.4.iso

I can't find that ISO, but I see the 2.3to2.4 patch.. 503K, is that right?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: kidd on October 29, 2007, 06:31:05 pm
I have a new iso to test here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.4.iso

I can't find that ISO, but I see the 2.3to2.4 patch.. 503K, is that right?

It's there. Sure.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/273/screenjt1.jpg
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on October 30, 2007, 12:20:44 am
VL59-STD-BETA2.4

Installation hang toward end of installing vlnvidia. Installed w/o and put it in after installation.

Internet connected, CD functioning. Good

No blank screens after logout, Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace, Ctrl-F*. Good

Can't print, printing test page says "printer not connected".Bad

Frozen-bubble crashes and kills X in xfce4 not in fluxbox.  Bad

startx  takes 30 seconds before x shows and 35 seconds for fluxbox to be ready.

It takes 5:30 minutes to bring xfce4 up. From a console with command startx. Really Bad

Regards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: BlueMage on October 30, 2007, 12:37:46 am
I'd love to share a few other bugs I've encountered, but only Beta 2 and I'm a bit strapped for download quota.

Sounds like we're getting close to RCs though :)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on October 30, 2007, 04:02:21 am
Downloaded and installed beta 2.4.

Install was ok, though using 'linux2' still ends up with keymap selection not working.

Keyboard layout for X was wrong again - had to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to correct, even though correct layout was selected during install

First reboot resulted in a black screen, had to power the machine off. Seems to be ok on subsequent reboots.

Not sure, but it looks as though there is an error during startup - hald fails?

Using HAL, CD/DVDs mount, still getting the same error attempting to mount a USB flash drive - the icon appears on the desktop, but it will not mount, double-clicking results in the icon becoming sticky and following the mouse cursor.

I've cheated and installed Midnight Commander from 5.8, so I now have access to .tlz files. The new dialog when using Thunar right-click install is great - shows the user that the install is still working, followed by the output of the install.

I've still got to check that Vl-hot is working, as opposed to HAL.

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Dweeberkitty on October 30, 2007, 11:47:59 am
Hey! 2.4 is a big improvement!

NVIDIA drivers and sound work out of the box. I haven't had much time to play with it but it's looking good. Is it just me or does this thing really live up to "Vector Linux, at the speed of light"? It is FAST! It really flies!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 30, 2007, 05:58:13 pm
I installed beta 2.4 on my Celeron desktop and my Turion laptop. On the Celeron everything went perfectly (it always does on that computer). I haven't found any problems so far, but I've had it for only a few hours. I'm using the Radeon driver offered by VASM.

Then, the supreme test--installing on the troublesome Turion laptop! First I tried the default kernel, but it stalled at the same place as all the other 32-bit kernels (right after it looks for the floppy drive, which I don't have). So I tried the sata2 kernel and everything went very smoothly, no stalls, no problems. I should also mention that I use Runlevel 2 and don't mess with bootsplashes and graphical logins.

I had the initial configuration go for the proprietary NVIDIA driver and had the screen resolution autoconfigured. It worked perfectly. I'm getting the proper 1280x800 laptop resolution.

Next I tried to set up my WPA wireless, which has been extremely troublesome on earlier betas. On my first attempt at modprobe ndiswrapper I got a FATAL:Module ndiswrapper not found. So I downloaded (with another computer) the library file Uelsk8s posted for the alternative kernel, copied it to the proper place, and this time modprobe ndiswrapper loaded. I then configured wpa_supplicant.conf, ran wpa_supplicant, and--I was connected! I was able to ping my router and my wireless access point. Then I started X and tried to connect with the Internet It didn't work until I ran wifi-radar and set things up for my fixed-IP WPA connection, including the DNS server that I use. So far, so good. In the past, the wireless connection disappeared after some period of time and getting it back was difficult to impossible without a reboot, so I'm anxious to see if this problem persists

My other problem on this laptop is sound. I haven't had time yet to see whether anything will come out of the speakers this time. So far, no distro or LiveCD has been able to actually produce sound.

Everything else has been working fine. Will continue testing and hopefully the Internet connection won't crap out.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 30, 2007, 08:33:51 pm
Loaded 2.4 and all seemed to go well. Only had 2 and 2.3 for a few days each. 2.3 fixed some problems with flash drive detection only to give an error about not having permission to mount the device. 2.3 lost sound on my Toshiba Satellite A15 laptop for the game chromium only and 2.4 didn't fix that. TuxOnIce (suspend2) while enabled in the kernel doesn't "respect" my resume2=swap:/dev/hda7 line in lilo and it is missing the line "echo 1 > /sys/power/suspend2/do_resume" that should be in the init process before file systems are mounted. I tried placing that line in /etc/rc.d/rc.S as I had done sucessfully with 5.8 SOHO but still no luck. And finally, still no "compact" line in lilo.conf which on my slow 2GHz celeron with 1Gb RAM adds about 7 seconds to the boot time at least twice before I get it fixed. :P Overall though continues to be very impressive with stability and speed.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on October 30, 2007, 10:47:28 pm
BETA-2.4

Did not mention on my last post testing this VL5.9 version Ihad installed with initrd.new and vl-hot-config.

Made a new install with initrd and hal.

All seems to be working properly, CD, Printer, Internet, Frozen-Bubble except, and that is serious:

leaving X, whichever way (logout, exit, Ctrl-Alt-F*/-Backspace) will blank the screen and disable the keyboard requiring a dirty reboot..

For xfce4 to come-up it takes 35 seconds, Fluxbox 15 seconds against 25 and 10 seconds respectively in VL-5.8.

How could that crash of X be fixed?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on October 30, 2007, 11:06:26 pm
Pita,
what video card and driver are you using?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on October 31, 2007, 02:36:01 am
Pita,
what video card and driver are you using?

Unquote

On board:
As of xorg.org

Driver      "savage"                                               
VendorName  "S3 Inc."                                         
BoardName   "VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]"
BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"

I just checked xorg.conf in VL5.9* has a vesa driver.
Later I will copy xorg.conf from VL5.8 to VL5.9 and see what will happen.

Hurray, it worked!!
No more X crashes after copying VL5.8 xorc.conf to VL59*
xfce4 comes up in about 15 seconds and fluxbox in about 10.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on October 31, 2007, 05:19:07 am
Installed beta 2.4 last night. Used delta to patch (that's so cool) and vinstall-iso script. Click-click-click... Bam.  Hello VL!  Absolutely no hassles.  Good thing the install hasn't changed as I really don't read it any more, I just click  :D

Can't say I can tell the difference.  I guess that's a good thing as all is/was running well for me.  The numlock button led acts odd, but functions.  If numlock is activated at Kdm greet, it still works, but the led goes out when Xfce is loaded.  If I wait to activate it after Xfce loads, it looks and works normally.

Not having slow loads like others are reporting.  Things are fast all around, even for having it installed on this boat anchor.

Please keep the wallpaper that everyone is complaining about available in future releases.  I happen to enjoy it.  And my wife out of the blue complimented it. She has no interest in my little Linux "hobby", so the compliment is huge coming from her.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 31, 2007, 04:58:35 pm
I ran into a problem today on my Celeron desktop. I tried to listen to streaming radio with RealPlayer and it complained that something else was using the sound card. It wasn't. I rebooted so I could be sure there wasn't some process running and I got the same message. On the previous betas I had no problem with RealPlayer. I checked /dev in the previous beta and there were many more entries in /dev/snd and there was a symlink for /dev/dsp, linked to /dev/dsp0. There is no /dev/dsp in the latest beta. It seems to be missing some things needed for programs like RealPlayer that use ALSA's OSS emulation. I'm going to rerun alsaconf tomorrow and maybe reinstall RealPlayer to see if that fixes anything. I'll report my results. The sound is some onboard VIA AC'97.

On my Turion laptop, my WPA wireless has been stable for many hours. So whatever you did to fix it seems to be working (I use the sata2 kernel.) I do have one problem on the laptop with shutting down. When I select ShutDown from XFce's Quit option, X closes and the shutdown process starts, but I then get a screen with random text that repeats randomly. I have to push in the power button in order to shut down the computer. So Shutdown isn't working right on this computer.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Dweeberkitty on October 31, 2007, 05:07:53 pm
I installed Beta 2.4 on my little slow Winbook XLi laptop. The installation went fine except for three things:

1. I chose AutoConfig for my X resolution but when I booted up, it was at 800x600 or something ridiculously low like that. I tried to fix it in Vasm but had no luck. No matter what I did it always stayed at a low resolution. I found that the driver used in my xorg.conf was 'trident'. I changed this to vesa and it fixed the resolution. Either something needs to be fixed with that driver setup or it needs to use vesa.

2. My laptop has a touchpad thing. This was not recognized on install and I was forced to plug in an external usb mouse. In the installer, on the screen when it asks what kind of mouse (number of buttons etc) it should have an option for a touchpad and edit the xorg.conf appropriately.

3. Sound does not work. I had to chose to search ISA cards or something like that and it found the card but there is no working sound. I'll see if I can come up with more details than that.  :D

There were also some problems with suspend and standby and things like that. I need to look more into those things though. It looks really good so far!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on October 31, 2007, 06:53:34 pm
I checked /dev in the previous beta and there were many more entries in /dev/snd and there was a symlink for /dev/dsp, linked to /dev/dsp0. There is no /dev/dsp in the latest beta.
This is the reason chromium's sound is broken on my laptop. Repeating the ALSA setup and reloading chromium didn't help me (nor did I expect it to).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on October 31, 2007, 08:19:44 pm
There is again a beauty spot, frozen-bubble crashes now after I changed to VL58 xorg.conf.

So I asume it must be in this file, no crash with VL59 xorg.conf, however, leaving X blanks screen and kb hangs.

With VL58 xorg.conf frozen-bubble crashes, however, X can be terminated w/o hang.

How to solve???

Here are the message of frozen-bubble crash:

Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x80) [0x80ceff0]
1: [0xb7f4b420]
2: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers//savage_drv.so(SavageSwitchMode+0x9f) [0xb7b6363f]
3: X [0x80f2f21]
4: X [0x80db993]
5: X(xf86SwitchMode+0xd8) [0x80b8758]
6: X(VidModeSwitchMode+0x6b) [0x80d970b]
7: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions//libextmod.so [0xb7ba829c]
8: X [0x8146d2e]
9: X(Dispatch+0x2cb) [0x808682b]
10: X(main+0x496) [0x806dce6]
11: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xd8) [0xb7ca7df8]
12: X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x209) [0x806d011]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting

xfce4-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.   

(xfwm4:3520): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: ICE I/O Error

(xfwm4:3520): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Disconnected from session manager.

(xfdesktop:3524): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: ICE I/O Error

(xfdesktop:3524): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Disconnected from session manager.

(xfce4-panel:3531): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: ICE I/O Error

(xfce4-panel:3531): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Disconnected from session manager.
xfce-mcs-manager: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfwm4: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
Thunar: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfdesktop: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfce4-panel: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xterm:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or KillClient on X server ":0.
xfce4-mount-plugin: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfce4-menu-plugin: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
orageclock: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
xfce4-netload-plugin: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0.
xinit:  connection to X server lost.
XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
      after 117 requests (113 known processed) with 15 events remaining.

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 31, 2007, 08:31:11 pm
This is the reason chromium's sound is broken on my laptop. Repeating the ALSA setup and reloading chromium didn't help me (nor did I expect it to).

Very interesting. It sounds like something broke in this version. I guess I won't bother with alsaconf and will just wait for the next beta. I found that the radio stream I wanted to play in RealPlayer did just fine in Audacious, so maybe I don't need RealPlayer at all.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: vector on November 01, 2007, 11:00:24 pm
sssshhhhhhhhh beta 2.8 is out and about rumor has it this will be our first public rc release. We will announce this Sunday night so there is time if you want to do a final test for us. http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.8.iso
We are looking for show stoppers and maybe some help completing the fluxbox menu. Also test the bugs you encountered before let us know which are ripe and which are dead.  Any last minute suggestions would be welcome too. Thanks for all the input to date.

cheers,
vec
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 02, 2007, 05:03:54 am
Beta 2.8 downloaded and installed. Bugs encountered before:

I'm still getting "xd: out of memory" at the start of the boot. Doesn't seem to affect anything, but might be a bit alarming..

Selected HAL instead of Vl-hot. I'm still getting a "[failed]" message next to "Setting up hald", but, so far at least, HAL seems to be working - I've been able to mount both USB and optical devices without problems.

MC still doesn't understand .lzma packages. I'll install the Vector 5.8 version in a bit...

New problems:

the splash screen has a problem. In the final stage of the install, the blue background overlaps the bottom of the 'terminal' window. Also, during boot, messages continue below the terminal window.

During install, I tried to install the flgx drivers (new option), since the T40 has Radeon graphics. That came up with an error, allowed me to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with mcedit, but was still not happy. Went round in circles until I elected to remove the flgx driver and replace it with the radeon driver.

Otherwise, everything seems to be working well. More later if I hit any other oddities.

Oh, one other (really) minor item. During partition selection, I select a / partition, then go on to select /home (which is shared with two copies of Zenwalk). The installer offers 'keep" option (no format). That message appears twice, for some reason.

 ;D Nice to see Seamonkey 1.1.5 installed - I'd installed the 5.8 version a couple of days ago...

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on November 02, 2007, 05:18:13 am
2.8 - sound in chromium fixed, compact line added to lilo; still problems with getting suspend2 to work...will check a few other items out over the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 02, 2007, 06:01:05 am
 ;D That didn't take long...

I have a number external USB drives, both flash and hard drive. The most recent of these is a Seagate Freeagent Go 120 GB unit. It is NTFS formatted.

Under Vl-hot in the earlier betas, I could access it, and read/write data to it. Using HAL, it mounts, but I can only access it as root, even for reading purposes. I can access another drive, which is FAT32 (haven't tried writing to it yet).

I would guess that is something in a udev rule, but I'm afraid I don't even know where to look..

Can anyone tell me which rule I should be looking at? I'd like any external drive to be full access  for normal users.

One (related) item. When selecting to unmount such a device, it would be nice if there was some way to tell when it has been fully shut down. In the past I've had problems with an external drive formatted HPFS - it frequently doesn't seem to be shut down cleanly when I unmount it.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 02, 2007, 07:37:49 am
;D That didn't take long...

I have a number external USB drives, both flash and hard drive. The most recent of these is a Seagate Freeagent Go 120 GB unit. It is NTFS formatted.

Under Vl-hot in the earlier betas, I could access it, and read/write data to it. Using HAL, it mounts, but I can only access it as root, even for reading purposes. I can access another drive, which is FAT32 (haven't tried writing to it yet).

I would guess that is something in a udev rule, but I'm afraid I don't even know where to look..

Can anyone tell me which rule I should be looking at? I'd like any external drive to be full access  for normal users.

One (related) item. When selecting to unmount such a device, it would be nice if there was some way to tell when it has been fully shut down. In the past I've had problems with an external drive formatted HPFS - it frequently doesn't seem to be shut down cleanly when I unmount it.

paul.

still looking into this, but here are some things to try

1)create an executable file mount.ntfs in /sbin with the following content:
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash
ntfs-3g $1 $2

2) create a file 10-ntfs-policy.fdi in /etc/hal/fdi/policy with the following content:
Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<deviceinfo version="0.2">
    <device>
        <match key="volume.fstype" string="ntfs">
            <match key="@block.storage_device:storage.hotpluggable" bool="true">
                <merge key="volume.fstype" type="string">ntfs-3g</merge>
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_filesystem" type="string">ntfs-3g</merge>
                <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">locale=</append>
            </match>
        </match>
    </device>
</deviceinfo>

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on November 02, 2007, 08:54:52 am
No showstoppers.   :)

Proprietary video drivers installed and ran without a hitch on GF2MX400 and GF6200. On Radeon 9600 I had to do ctrl-alt-del when the screen went blank, but worked fine after reboot.

A few minor things that I have found workarounds for:
With multiple optical drives, I need to manually edit fstab, then all works well.
Hardinfo does not like "sensors" on two Intel based machines. It crashes, but I can view sensors output in a terminal. AMD machine fine.

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 02, 2007, 09:14:29 am
still looking into this, but here are some things to try

1)create an executable file mount.ntfs in /sbin with the following content:
Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash
ntfs-3g $1 $2

2) create a file 10-ntfs-policy.fdi in /etc/hal/fdi/policy with the following content:
Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<deviceinfo version="0.2">
    <device>
        <match key="volume.fstype" string="ntfs">
            <match key="@block.storage_device:storage.hotpluggable" bool="true">
                <merge key="volume.fstype" type="string">ntfs-3g</merge>
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_filesystem" type="string">ntfs-3g</merge>
                <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">locale=</append>
            </match>
        </match>
    </device>
</deviceinfo>



Neat. Done that, the device mounts, and can be opened by normal users. Thanks...

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on November 02, 2007, 03:02:08 pm
sssshhhhhhhhh beta 2.8 is out and about rumor has it this will be our first public rc release. We will announce this Sunday night so there is time if you want to do a final test for us. http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-B2.8.iso
We are looking for show stoppers and maybe some help completing the fluxbox menu. Also test the bugs you encountered before let us know which are ripe and which are dead.  Any last minute suggestions would be welcome too. Thanks for all the input to date.

cheers,
vec

Sorry to rain on your parade here but still no joy in enabling keyboards with anything other than US layout.  Also opening a terminal or a terminal ap will instantly crash X and I have to log back in, and this is using the new beta 2.8
quite a few other things missing too, like no way of stopping errant programs.  Xfce had a nice little graphical utility for that, and as I can't call anything from the command line am a bit stuck with that..
On a plus point the sound is working.
Running now on my second machine - a 900MHz Compaq deskpro EN machine, with an Intel i810 graphics chip.  Only one cd drive so can't report on it resolving more than one drive.  have Audacious playing an audio CD so all good on that point.   Though no control of volume through the volume control via Xfce only through the actual application.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Joe1962 on November 02, 2007, 04:10:46 pm
Just installed Beta 2.8 (though it says RC1) on vmware and went through some preliminary testing. The good news is the install went like a hot knife through butter... ;D   Except for the keyboard layout that is. I chose US international and US acentos, but no luck. In fact, I set it twice, as we still have an unselected option at the top of the list for that and I always select it, forgetting that it will happen anyway at the end. We really should get rid of that redundancy.

The X autoconfiguration during install now works like a charm inside vmware. Strange though, I picked 1024 x 768 and that's what I got on first login, but after logging out of xfce (to kdm) and back, it picked a much larger resolution. The xfce display settings showed a very large selection of resolutions, even beyond what the LCD can handle, so I picked up 1280 x 768 (weird I know, but it fits well inside the 1440 x 900 of the LCD) and that's what stayed whenever xfce came up, though kdm seems to be at about 800 x 600.

I first logged in as root and found some very ugly (to my taste) theming, though the wallpaper is nice, even though I didn't keep it. The normal user themeing is much better, though I always change those to my preferred curve and xfce-curve. The qt colours need changing IMO (weird tone on window innards) and fixing (disabled options show a grey square all around).

The user menu is missing vl-hot-config in System, though it is present in the root menu. I'll try and check out why in a while.

That's it for now I guess, probably more later.



EDIT: dang! Why are .txt files set to open in Abiword by default?   :o
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on November 02, 2007, 05:31:45 pm
Quote
EDIT: dang! Why are .txt files set to open in Abiword by default?
Not fond of this either. 
I'd also like to see a menu entry for Thunar (root).

Few other preference type things that are odd to me but other than that, the install went perfect, and I can't find anything broken.  At least nothing that affects "my" hardware.

Didn't notice anything odd with boot splash as was reported earlier with this version.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 02, 2007, 07:07:26 pm
quite a few other things missing too, like no way of stopping errant programs.  Xfce had a nice little graphical utility for that, and as I can't call anything from the command line am a bit stuck with that..

If you hit Control-Alt-Escape do you get the xkill cursor you can click on the window you want to close?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 03, 2007, 12:23:55 am
Beta-2.8

All sems to be working well, except

frozen-bubble and Mega Mario still crash and kill X in xfce4, however, not anymore in fluxbox.

It did configure xorg.conf correctly for my system. I had to do my own usual for my Davicom eth card to get Internet connection.

The boot messages do not fit into the console frame, too low.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 03, 2007, 12:42:03 am
what resolution does the text come lower than the terminal window in bootsplash?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on November 03, 2007, 02:18:07 am
If you hit Control-Alt-Escape do you get the xkill cursor you can click on the window you want to close?
--GrannyGeek

Thanks for that yes I do, I had quite forgotten about that method.  Even so it would be nice to have the xfce tool that enables you to see all running processes and be able to kill through that.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 03, 2007, 02:54:36 am
what resolution does the text come lower than the terminal window in bootsplash?

I'm running vga=791 in Grub's menu.lst, so 1024x768. I didn't have the problem with earlier betas.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 03, 2007, 04:35:59 am
what resolution does the text come lower than the terminal window in bootsplash?


In lilo vga=791.

Previous VL5.9 Betas it was within the terminal.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Joe1962 on November 03, 2007, 05:59:25 am
Xfce had a nice little graphical utility for that, and as I can't call anything from the command line am a bit stuck with that..
It's still there, just not in the menu. I think I saw it on the fluxbox menu though.

Try it: Alt-F2, xfce4-taskmanager.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Dweeberkitty on November 03, 2007, 10:16:11 am
Okay, I finally downloaded Beta 2.8. Here are some of the things that I noticed (In no particular order).

•   Spelling:
Quote
You are working as dweeberkitty
Frequently used programs:
Configuration  : vasm
File manager   : mc (press F2 for usefull menu)
Editor         : mcedit, vi
Multimedia     : alsamixer, play
localuser:root being added to access control list
vector:/~
dweeberkitty:$

Watch your spelling! "usefull" should be spelled like this: "useful"
Also, get rid of the last line there: "localuser:root being added to access control list"

•   Terminal:
The current default terminal is nice, but it is horribly slow. Especially on older machines. I don't notice anything on my desktop, but on my laptop it seems to take forever to load. Changing the default terminal from 'Terminal' to 'xterm' makes a huge difference.

•   HAL:
HAL works great now! Cool!

•   Browser testbed:
Everything works except PDF files are not displayed within Seamonkey or Firefox. They both think it's just a download.

•   Vector Documentation:
The VL documentation really needs to be updated. So does the README on the installer.

•   Lilo screen:
"Press Tab to Enter Boot Options" There needs to be some sort of artwork for this instead of a black screen. In fact, what would look best would be if the boot option input opened below the lilo screen. Also, is it possible that a sharper login screen could be made? No matter what monitor I display it on, it always looks pixelated and crummy. Not that the design is crummy but the visual quality certainly is.

•   Bootsplash:
The bootsplash looks better except that the Vector logo is not centered on the screen; it is too low. Also the progress bar refreshes every time it changes what it is doing.

•   KDM login:
The new look on the login screen looks better than before! However, I think it should be redesigned a little bit. Here's why:
   1. If one adds multiple users, then they all have to fit into that little tiny box that has to be scrolled. This makes it look ugly and cumbersome. I think that the login should be redesigned to make it easier to accommodate more users.
   2. The System and Session buttons only work on the right half of the buttons. In other words, they only 'light up' when your mouse goes over the right half. (Like to the 't' in System and the second 's' in Session) The left half of them does not work.
   3. After setting up my machine with a bunch of users, I found that there were a bunch of little links in my home folder that pointed to the users login pictures. This is not a very good place to put them. It clutters up ones home folder. Also, there needs to be an easy way to change ones login picture.
   4. There should be an "Enter" button on the login screen. Many people naturally look for it. I personally don't use it and just hit the enter key but there are many who look for the button and expect it to be there.

I'm not saying that the current login screen doesn't look nice. It does. I'm just saying that there are some 'physical' limitations to the design.

•   Mplayer:
Mplayer does not read files that have spaces in them. It gives an error. Renaming the file allows it to read it correctly. This did not happen for me in the 5.8 series.

•   Xfce on Laptop:
My little WinBook does not have a network card. I did not try to configure one. Here is what Xfce says to me when I try to login:
Quote
Could not look up internet address for vector.linux.net. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding vector.linux.net to the file /etc/hosts on your system.
Then it has two buttons "Continue anyway" and "Try again"

•   Laptop touchpad:
PLEASE oh PLEASE include an option for touchpads! I see that the Synaptics 0.14.6 driver is already installed. All it would take would be for a "touchpad" option in the mice section that would add some sections to the xorg.conf file. See here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad)

•   Laptop logging out:
On my laptop, WinBook, logging out of the desktop (fluxbox or xfce or whatever) I get a black screen a lot of times. I have to switch to vt1 and then back to vt7 to get the login screen to show up. This doesn't happen all the time though. There have been many times where it has worked correctly.

•   Suspend and Standby:
Standby works like a charm. There's a button on my laptop for it and it works great. Suspend however is another story. I used to have VL 5.8 SOHO installed on this laptop. When I closed the laptop, it would automatically do a suspend. Now, with 5.9 installed, when I close the laptop, it doesn't do anything. When I open it again, the screen goes blank for a second and then comes back on. I have a suspend button on my laptop but it doesn't work so well. When I press it, it seems like it's suspending but when I press it again, I get nothing and have to switch terminals back and forth (like loging out sometimes) and then I suddenly get the login screen even though I used suspend while logged on. Other times, the computer will just freeze and be totally unresponsive. Nothing wakes it from it's eternal slumber. Until I pull the cord! The suspend button worked correctly in VL 5.8 SOHO.

Over all, this feels like the most stable and clean system yet! Keep up the good work!

P.S. In what version is the GUI installer going to be used? What's the progress on that?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on November 03, 2007, 12:00:17 pm
Xfce had a nice little graphical utility for that, and as I can't call anything from the command line am a bit stuck with that..
It's still there, just not in the menu. I think I saw it on the fluxbox menu though.

Try it: Alt-F2, xfce4-taskmanager.


I refer the honourable gentleman to the problem I outlined earlier, ie try to run anything from the command line and the system crashes.  :-( 

Mind you if it was on the fluxbox menu then it should be on the xfce menu too.  The menus should be as much as possible showing the same things.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Joe1962 on November 03, 2007, 02:51:30 pm
I refer the honourable gentleman to the problem I outlined earlier, ie try to run anything from the command line and the system crashes.  :-( 
Oh, that's not nice. No problem here though.

Mind you if it was on the fluxbox menu then it should be on the xfce menu too.  The menus should be as much as possible showing the same things.
My thoughts exactly, I was discussing that on the IRC last night.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: rbistolfi on November 03, 2007, 03:31:40 pm
I have trouubles with terminal too, it appears with weird graphics and unusable. I have to do ALT+F2 and run xterm.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on November 03, 2007, 04:59:28 pm
No problems with Terminal here.  But I'm having cd/dvd issues. Once again I have two drives.  One is a dvd/cd writer, the other is a straight cdrom.

Xfburn doesn't show devices on my machine, nor will it dectect them from the preferences window. Root or user.
I'm only able to burn via command line: cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=/dev/hdc testimage.iso as root, not user.

Using HAL

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdr -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdr1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/cdrom -> cdrom0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hdd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrw1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/cdwriter -> cdrw1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdwriter1 -> /dev/hdc
vector:/~
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvd1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdrw1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/dvdwriter -> dvdrw1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdwriter1 -> /dev/hdc
vector:/~
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/{hdc,hdd}
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22,  0 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/hdc
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/hdd

icon with description of contents of dvd or cd displayed on desktop when loading disc.


Using VL Hot

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdr -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdr0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/cdrom -> cdrom1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrw0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/cdwriter -> cdrw0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdwriter0 -> /dev/hdc

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvd0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdrw0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/dvdwriter -> dvdrw0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdwriter0 -> /dev/hdc

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/{hdc,hdd}
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22,  0 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/hdc
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/hdd

What's with the timestamps in the links (Hal & Hot)??
Because of the links pointing to links, the cdrom's come up in the wrong order with Hal or vlHot. But the links are not consistant so many apps with settings hardcoded like Xine or Mplayer, will fail to find devices.

When using anything with vsuper the numlock led will go out. But keys are still locked.

Not "end of the world" issues, but if others are having problems, it would be nice to resolve early on.

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 03, 2007, 07:00:54 pm
Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: lagagnon on November 03, 2007, 07:17:40 pm
Have been away for 3 weeks hence my late entry to test this beast. Here is what I have found, from what I consider to be most serious to the least serious:

1) during alsaconfig, the last screen, it asks user if he/she wants to edit the sound config file. If user chooses NO (which I successfully did with VL5.8) the alsa config fails. If choice is YES, alsa config is fine ???

2) using hald, icons for devices appear on screen but as a normal user I always get the message "Unable to mount XXX"! Then the icon gets moved after closing the error box ???

3) volume control applet not working as described above by another user

4) I don't have wifi but attempting to launch the wifi-radar and vwifi icons from the menu results in nothing, no error messages. Launched from a terminal there are error messages.

5) please turn off by default the checkbox during the exit screen which says: "Save Session for Future Logins". In xfce this results in nothing but problems for newbies who might bugger up their desktop and never get it back to where it was.

6) do we really want to provide 2 extra desktop environments (fluxbox and jwm??). I thought a decision was made in VL5.8 Standard to have only the one so that we could "perfect" it - rather than spend volunteer's time making sure all the menus matched (at present they don't)!

6) VASM does not have an entry in the System Menu, it is only on the desktop.

7) personally I think crond should be run by default so that users logs get rotated.

8) KDM login screen looks much nicer with antialiasing enabled. To do so edit /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and uncomment the line AntiAliasing=true.

9) the newish install screens have some English, punctuation and text formatting errors -no big deal but it looks a tad unprofessional IMHO. Such screens include the X11 resolution choice screen which needs text reformatting and the KB map and layout screen which has punctuation errors, amongst a couple of others I noticed during the install.

Larry
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: lagagnon on November 03, 2007, 07:19:30 pm
Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

Both work fine on my machine. I suggest you might not have the correct video module/driver loaded or something is amiss with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 03, 2007, 08:37:45 pm
Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

Both work fine on my machine. I suggest you might not have the correct video module/driver loaded or something is amiss with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

Just to say it, both applications work fine in VL-5.8-STD.

I copied the xorg.conf from VL58 to VL59 at one time and I still get the crashes. Even so I too suspect it is in the xorg.conf of VL59 but where.

I will compare the output of lsmod to see if there is a difference.

What is the difference from starting a program in X from a terminal on the one hand or from starting from the menu of the xfce4 panel? Where the latter causes crashes????

Just found it. The difference is that starting from the menu panel frozen-bubble is set to play fullscreen. Removing now that flag the program starts from the menu panel just as from a terminal.
Megamario apparently can only start full screen  and therefore crashes on my system when started within X. However, it can be started from the console outside X and so can frozen-bubble --fullscreen.

So where is the bug in VL5.9?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: blurymind on November 04, 2007, 01:29:37 am
its amazing how simple little games help notice issues with X that need to be adressed. I agree that only one desktop environment should be worked on.The menu entry problems are minor,compared to others.
I am sorry i cannot curently help and test,for i dont have an avaiable machine at my disposal  :(
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Lyn on November 04, 2007, 02:25:08 am
I refer the honourable gentleman to the problem I outlined earlier, ie try to run anything from the command line and the system crashes.  :-( 
Oh, that's not nice. No problem here though.

Mind you if it was on the fluxbox menu then it should be on the xfce menu too.  The menus should be as much as possible showing the same things.
My thoughts exactly, I was discussing that on the IRC last night.


Then I'd go with one window manager/environment so to minimise the issues.

As mentioned no VASM entry in the menu, only on the desktop

Maybe the issues when launching a terminal or an application that runs in a terminal (like Htop) but accessed from the menu is due to my graphics?  An onboard i810 graphics chip, with shared ram.

I didn't have the crashes on my old system (before that went west on me).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 04, 2007, 03:10:53 am
This is more a peculiarity than anything else.

Using beta 2.8, with HAL enabled (still getting a [failed] message on setting up hald during boot), if I double-click on an HTML file on a CD, it opens in Opera, rather than Seamonkey, which I have set as the default browser. Strange... HAL mounting and unmounting is working fine for me in this beta.

I've only got Seamonkey and Opera installed (I deslected Dillo and Firefox during the install).

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances: volume control / mixer
Post by: brjoon1021 on November 04, 2007, 06:35:36 am
HI,

I know what is supposed to be there when I click on the speaker icon in the taskbar. I should have a volume slider. However there is nothing there. Just the empty application control with no sliders. I tried to fix it with the hardware detection of VASM, but that did not do it.

Thanks

B
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on November 04, 2007, 06:42:15 am
Curious performance issue:
Boot is quick, but it takes about 10 seconds longer to power off than 5.8 SOHO. Ten seconds is not the end of the world, but in my case it is almost twice of what I'm used to.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: lagagnon on November 04, 2007, 08:07:39 am
Megamario apparently can only start full screen  and therefore crashes on my system when started within X. However, it can be started from the console outside X and so can frozen-bubble --fullscreen.
So where is the bug in VL5.9?
Do you have an nVidia card and if so did you choose to load the proper nVidia drivers during the install (ie do you get the nice nVidia logo just before the logion screen?)?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on November 04, 2007, 08:57:09 am
Quote
I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

The difference may be that when frozen-bubble is launched via the menu entry, it's launched with command:
Quote
frozen-bubble --fullscreen
Megamario is fullscreen by default I believe, I'm guessing this is hardware specific/Xorg related.

Try launching frozen-bubble with
Quote
frozen-bubble --fullscreen
from the command line for me if you would just to satisfy my curiosity please.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 04, 2007, 09:39:08 am
Two problems, both with beta 2.8.

I just attempted to use Gslapt to update all the new packages in testing. And its still locking up. It will install one or two packages, then go to sleep, have to use kill to get rid of it. Eventually will complete, but it meant I had to kill it three or four time before it did.

Also, the updated version of MC still doesn't open .tzl packages. No longer produces an error, just doesn't do anything.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 04, 2007, 05:08:11 pm
OK megamario and frozen-bubble -fullscreen can be launched from the console command line outside X.

Both application when launched within X crash and kill X.

Frozen-bubble (w/o -fullscreen flag) can be launched within X.

I have only an onboard video card.
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver      "savage"
VendorName  "S3 Inc."
BoardName   "VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]"
BusID       "PCI:1:0:0

Both application work well in VL5.8-STD

Regards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 04, 2007, 05:15:53 pm
Pita,
can you put your xorg.conf from 5.8 and from 5.9 into pastebin.ca and post the link here?
I am thinking the composite section in 5.9 might be a problem with your video chipset.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 04, 2007, 07:27:12 pm
Pita,
can you put your xorg.conf from 5.8 and from 5.9 into pastebin.ca and post the link here?
I am thinking the composite section in 5.9 might be a problem with your video chipset.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s

Here it is. I am amazed what all can be done.

http://pastebin.ca/761881

Both xorg.conf were created by vasm. BTW on the first beta of VL59 it created a vesa xorg.conf which did not work at all.

Regards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 04, 2007, 07:36:26 pm
Pita,
Lets start by commenting out the composite section.
change this
Code: [Select]
Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "on"
EndSection
to this
Code: [Select]
#Section "Extensions"
#Option "Composite" "on"
#EndSection

Then restart X and run the games that locked you up before
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 04, 2007, 09:12:13 pm
Changed as recommended xorg.conf. Did not change the crashes.
Here is some output I get an the console from frozen-bubble -fullscreen crash in fluxbox:

Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x80) [0x80ceff0]
1: [0xb7fdc420]
2: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//savage_drv.so(SavageSwitchMode+0x9f) [0xb7bf663f]
3: X [0x80f2f21]
4: X [0x80db993]
5: X(xf86SwitchMode+0xd8) [0x80b8758]
6: X(VidModeSwitchMode+0x6b) [0x80d970b]
7: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so [0xb7c3a29c]
8: X [0x8146d2e]
9: X(Dispatch+0x2cb) [0x808682b]
10: X(main+0x496) [0x806dce6]
11: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xd8) [0xb7d39df8]
12: X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x209) [0x806d011]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting

XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
      after 10254 requests (10254 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
xterm:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"
xinit:  connection to X server lost.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: lagagnon on November 04, 2007, 10:23:03 pm
Pita: try again editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change line 93 (Driver "savage") to Driver "vesa" and reboot X and see if the same thing happens.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 04, 2007, 11:00:02 pm
Pita,
can you try downloading and upgrading this package then try to run the games again with the savage driver in xorg.conf
 http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/xf86-video-savage-2.1.4-i586-1vl59.tlz

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 04, 2007, 11:40:27 pm
acham!!

first I upgraded that video-savage as suggested by Uelsk. Starting X I got  weird colors and system hang.

Reboot

next I then changed the savage to vesa in xorg.conf as suggested by lagagnon, started X and yes, finally the 2 programs in question launched in full screen and went back to X after closing.

Thanks, what a relieve.

Now I have only the one complain left that the boot messages are 3 lines below the teminal frame. All other programs I am using work properly, the browsers, sound, CD, printer, Internet, flash, realplayer music streaming, mail programs, applix office suite. I guess that's it.

???   ???
Rejoiced too early. Now I can't leave X anymore. The system freezes as I have reported in earlier posts on this sub-forum when xorg.conf-vesa was up and I tried to get out of X.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 05, 2007, 01:28:51 am
Several days ago I shared my observations about Beta2.2 I thought my observations would be useful for developers (that is why they started this Bugs/annoyances thread, I guess). Strangely, it seems that they were ignored as I downloaded beta2.8 and noticed that many problems I reported still exist. Here are they with my additional comments:

1. clicking on Volume Control icon shows empty window

not fixed, however when I first ran alsamixer from console and then started the applet it worked. Anyway I have no sound on my ASUS A9RP laptop http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Asus+A9Rp (http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Asus+A9Rp).

2. I cannot make my screen brighter or dimmer using laptop`s function keys (possible before booting Vector and on Ubuntu and PC-BSD)

not fixed

3. Xine and Mplayer shows vertical bars instead of movie (sound is OK), both AVI and MOV files.


this seems to be the issue of the video driver. Both ati and raden shows vertical bars, VESA works properly (however slow). Proprietay fglrx not tested.
(I wrote "sound is OK" before but It was not, my mistake, sorry.)

4. There is no default aplication connected to PDF files when clicking on them

not fixed

5. hardinfo gui crashes when clicking on sensors.

not fixed

6. hardinfo and lsub shows no devices though I have USB wifi and mouse

lsusb works OK.

7. Wifi radar cannot be launched.

Not fixed

8. I cannot make my ASUS A9RP laptop`s USB wifi card to work (it works well under latest ubuntu 7.10 and Sabayon with zd1211[rw] module). It was the same problem with the latest Vector SOHO but I thought it was due to older kernel version. Since 2.6.22 zd1211 should work properly (and it does as I mentioned above).

Don`t know if it is fixed: no time to feedle config files (especialy that it seems that nobody treats my comments  seriously  :-\) I wish there was some easier way to make wifi running on Vector. As I said before Ubuntu and Sabayon recognize my interface with no problems.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 05, 2007, 01:40:59 am
This is intermittent, and looks as though its related to the kernel being used by the beta. On some boots, I get messages like this:

Code: [Select]
thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad ACPI Extras v0.14
thinkpad_acpi: http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/
thinkpad_acpi: ThinkPad EC firmware 1RHT71WW-3.04
hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 3
hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 4
hub 3-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2
hub 3-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1
hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 3
hub 3-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2
hub 3-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1

I've also got Zenwalk 4.8 on this machine, which also uses a 2.6.22.9 kernel, and also has the thinkpad_acpi module loaded, but its never produced the message above.

Anyone have any ideas what might trigger this?

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: vector on November 05, 2007, 02:18:24 am
note to wm.............my apologies but we only have three part time developers working on the bug reports and unfortunately none  has your hw config on  a laptop. It would be more useful if you found out how the distros with more resources enabled your wifi then perhaps we can do something useful. If you like vector for it's premise then you need to help with things we don't have the resources for. If it works somewhere else then it should work here too we all have access..........contributing is an important part to the process we need your help too................I don't mean to be critical but we could sure use some help searching for answers on hw questions...............:)
vec
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 05, 2007, 02:53:53 am
note to wm.............my apologies but we only have three part time developers working on the bug reports and unfortunately none  has your hw config on  a laptop.

I understand that fixing the hardware issue is hard without the hw. Some other problems I mentioned are probably not hardware dependent, however. Can you for example launch wifi radar?

Anyway I must confess that I like Vector very much and this is the distro I`ve been using for some time. That is why I tried to help in its development by posting some comments on Beta. I`ll try to look into the wifi issue and if I succeed I will post results on the forum.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 05, 2007, 04:35:06 am
I tried to make wifi working according to http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1282.0
but I was not able to add any wireless interface by modifying /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/ifplug.d/ifplugd.conf according to the above instruction.

Syslog says:

Nov  5 13:01:47 men4 kernel: Device driver 1-6 lacks bus and class support for being resumed.
Nov  5 13:01:47 men4 kernel: usb 1-6: Could not load firmware file zd1211/zd1211b_ub. Error number -2
Nov  5 13:01:47 men4 kernel: zd1211rw 1-6:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -2

but firmware IS located in /lib/firmware/zd1211

No idea what to do....

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 05, 2007, 07:33:50 am

Several days ago I shared my observations about Beta2.2 I thought my observations would be useful for developers (that is why they started this Bugs/annoyances thread, I guess). Strangely, it seems that they were ignored as I downloaded beta2.8 and noticed that many problems I reported still exist. Here are they with my additional comments:

Your observations along with everyone else's are never ignored here. I think this perception can be partly to blame from us not having a formal bug report system where you would get an answer to each of your separate bug reports. I will give you answers to each of the bugs you have as i see them.

1. clicking on Volume Control icon shows empty window
This happens whenever your sound modules are not loaded or for whatever reason xfce doesnt have access to your soundcard.
we are working on alsa problems, and you may have to try the optional kernel to see if it works better with your hardware.


2. I cannot make my screen brighter or dimmer using laptop`s function keys (possible before booting Vector and on Ubuntu and PC-BSD)
Not sure about this. again try the alternate kernel and report if it helps at all.

3. Xine and Mplayer shows vertical bars instead of movie (sound is OK), both AVI and MOV files.

I think you will need the proprietary fglrx driver for decent video, however you can play with the composite and other options in xorg.conf and see if you get decent results with the ati or radeon drivers.

4. There is no default aplication connected to PDF files when clicking on them
We will get xpdf connected to the pdf files.

5. hardinfo gui crashes when clicking on sensors.
This is a problem with hardinfo and has been reported on there bug reports.
we are waiting for a fix from them.

6. hardinfo and lsub shows no devices though I have USB wifi and mouse
This is a problem with hardinfo and has been reported on there bug reports.
we are waiting for a fix from them.

7. Wifi radar cannot be launched.
wifi-radar launches if your wireless driver is working. I am not sure why this happens in this version as it did not in previous versions.

8. I cannot make my ASUS A9RP laptop`s USB wifi card to work (it works well under latest ubuntu 7.10 and Sabayon with zd1211[rw] module). It was the same problem with the latest Vector SOHO but I thought it was due to older kernel version. Since 2.6.22 zd1211 should work properly (and it does as I mentioned above).
It sounds like either we dont have the proper firmware for your card, or udev is not loading the drivers properly.
can you check that /etc/rc.d/rc.udev is set executable?
if its not it may fix some of your problems above as well.
if it is then I would try using the firmware from one of the distro's that you know works.

Thanks for your report it is what helps us make VL better.
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Joe1962 on November 05, 2007, 08:27:12 am
1. clicking on Volume Control icon shows empty window
This happens whenever your sound modules are not loaded or for whatever reason xfce doesnt have access to your soundcard.
we are working on alsa problems, and you may have to try the optional kernel to see if it works better with your hardware.
If the sound modules are loaded, try right-clicking on the speaker icon, then Properties and selecting the proper device if not correct. It works for me after install, but I remember this being a problem during 5.8 development.

2. I cannot make my screen brighter or dimmer using laptop`s function keys (possible before booting Vector and on Ubuntu and PC-BSD)
Not sure about this. again try the alternate kernel and report if it helps at all.
This is dependent on the make/model of notebook, some use hardware connected backlight keys that work regardless, others use software for this function. You might need to load some notebook brand-specific support modules, the lcd module and maybe even some button handler application. This is one of the more complicated areas in Linux. A couple of sites that might help you with this are:

http://www.linux-laptop.net/
http://tuxmobil.org/

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: easuter on November 05, 2007, 10:17:53 am
For the zydas zd1211 chip problems it is most likely missing firmware. Probably best add it by default.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 05, 2007, 10:26:25 am
For the zydas zd1211 chip problems it is most likely missing firmware. Probably best add it by default.
I thought we had all the zd1211 firmware added by default, can you confirm some are missing?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: vector on November 05, 2007, 12:13:15 pm
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=129083&package_id=187875&release_id=544191
This is the latest firmware pkg I could find for the zd1211 chip. Could someone with this hw try and see if it makes a difference.
Thanks,
vec
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: toothandnail on November 06, 2007, 01:07:40 am
I've been getting a [failed] message during boot with the beta. Having now got the splash screen working, I find that its APM that is not being setup, not HAL as I first thought.

This machine is (and should be using ACPI, not APM. Is there a way I can disable attempts to start APM?

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 06, 2007, 01:39:50 am
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=129083&package_id=187875&release_id=544191
This is the latest firmware pkg I could find for the zd1211 chip. Could someone with this hw try and see if it makes a difference

It works! Firmware was in charge of the problems. I downloaded the latest firmware and my wifi is up (i`m writing this post using it :-) ) Indeed, wifi radar is now launchable (however not necessary as I configured connection through vasm). I`m not sure if it will be up after reboot, anyway the giant step has been made.


Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 06, 2007, 02:53:00 am
My aditional suggestions:

1. Assign default application for archieves (xarchiever) since no application selected when clicking on zip, tar.gz, etc.

2. "view in browser" in Bluefish doesn`t work. Maybe a default external browser should be selected?

3. I would recommend a wonderfull light editor (and simple IDE) for many languages: Geany. If you accept this idea, you can find package created under Vector SOHO by me with checkinstall here: http://trimen.pl/geany-0.12-i386-1.tgz (http://trimen.pl/geany-0.12-i386-1.tgz)

4. Having 3 different browsers is in my opinion not necessary, I would replace Seamonkey suite with Sylpheed e-mail client (or Claws-mail) and a newsreader (Pan?)

Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 06, 2007, 03:43:29 am
aww... not the browser discussion again. We had a poll on that somewhere
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 06, 2007, 03:47:32 am
aww... not the browser discussion again. We had a poll on that somewhere

sorry, didn`t know
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 06, 2007, 05:06:16 pm
Does anybody know which game in kde must or can be played full screen. I would like to try it in slack12 to see if I get the same crashes as in VL5.9. If that would be the case it would mean to me that this new xorg stuff is at fault. The first batch was definitely buggy and only when I changed to the slack/current version as recommended by Uelsk things improved. Initially I could not even open X.

Thanks & regards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: nightflier on November 06, 2007, 06:34:00 pm
ppracer in full-screen is how I test my video cards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 07, 2007, 12:08:17 am
I just found that when I use xorg.conf-fbdev as xorg.conf megamario and frozen-bubble -fullscreen will not crash and kill X. At the same time I can logout w/o X freezing with a blank screen and a disabled keyboard.

There is only one problem the screen resolutuion is not right and I seem to be unable to set it for my lcd screen in this xorg.conf-fbdev. xfce4 settings manager Display does not show any choices except default. I usually have Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024"

If I that can be resolved I will finally be set with VL59.

Can anyone assist me please?

And thanks nightflyer, unfortunately I do not have that program ppracer.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 07, 2007, 09:31:05 am
Pita,
using xorg.conf-fbdev makes xorg use the frame buffer to set it you need to change lilo or grub.
if you use lilo the in your lilo.conf change the line that says
vga = 791
to
vga = 794
then run "lilo" and reboot
or just run vliloconf and choose a resolution from the list

HTH,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: MikeCindi on November 07, 2007, 05:54:19 pm
ppracer in full-screen is how I test my video cards
Until 5.9 ppracer never would get past a few fps. Thus I had to use chromium as a test for my laptop's video (Intel GM 82855 chip). Now ppracer works very well and smoothly. What is the difference? It wouldn't work with SuSE 10.x, VL, Fedora 5 thru 7, Zenwalk, (K)Ubuntu, or Slack 10 thru 12!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 07, 2007, 06:55:22 pm
Pita,
using xorg.conf-fbdev makes xorg use the frame buffer to set it you need to change lilo or grub.
if you use lilo the in your lilo.conf change the line that says
vga = 791
to
vga = 794
then run "lilo" and reboot
or just run vliloconf and choose a resolution from the list

HTH,
Uelsk8s

Thanks! That worked.

It seems to me that xf86-video-savage-2.1.3-i486-1 file is defective. The prolem I have is not confined to VL59, it is the same with slackware12 and slack clones running on slack12.

Whom does one address this to for correction? Volkerding, Xorg.com? Who will do it, one of your peolpe or me?

Regards
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: exeterdad on November 07, 2007, 07:05:40 pm
Did you try the manual in case there is something useful?
Quote
man savage
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Dweeberkitty on November 07, 2007, 07:21:07 pm
I think cmake and scons should be included in the optional DEV.tlz.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 07, 2007, 08:29:02 pm
Did you try the manual in case there is something useful?
Quote
man savage

I had a look now and must admit I don't understand most of it, among others the meaning of some of those acronyms.

The setting I have now is surely not satisfactory to run VL59 with vega set to 794 and that fbdev driver. The problem is naturally not confined to megamario, etc. It is with all programs requiring full screen to run. A way around is to stay with savage driver and leave X for full screen programs to run.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: uelsk8s on November 07, 2007, 08:30:21 pm
Pita,
using xorg.conf-fbdev makes xorg use the frame buffer to set it you need to change lilo or grub.
if you use lilo the in your lilo.conf change the line that says
vga = 791
to
vga = 794
then run "lilo" and reboot
or just run vliloconf and choose a resolution from the list

HTH,
Uelsk8s

Thanks! That worked.

It seems to me that xf86-video-savage-2.1.3-i486-1 file is defective. The prolem I have is not confined to VL59, it is the same with slackware12 and slack clones running on slack12.

Whom does one address this to for correction? Volkerding, Xorg.com? Who will do it, one of your peolpe or me?

Regards
there is a bug in that driver, said to be fixed in cvs, but i had no luck in the package i built for you to try.
you can post to xorg bug reports.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
Post by: Pita on November 07, 2007, 10:37:56 pm
Pita,
using xorg.conf-fbdev makes xorg use the frame buffer to set it you need to change lilo or grub.
if you use lilo the in your lilo.conf change the line that says
vga = 791
to
vga = 794
then run "lilo" and reboot
or just run vliloconf and choose a resolution from the list

HTH,
Uelsk8s

Thanks! That worked.

It seems to me that xf86-video-savage-2.1.3-i486-1 file is defective. The prolem I have is not confined to VL59, it is the same with slackware12 and slack clones running on slack12.

Whom does one address this to for correction? Volkerding, Xorg.com? Who will do it, one of your peolpe or me?

Regards
there is a bug in that driver, said to be fixed in cvs, but i had no luck in the package i built for you to try.
you can post to xorg bug reports.

Thanks for your help and concern. I just looked at the xorg bug report under this latest savage driver, it is just bug riddled accross distos. I will just have to wait then till things clear-up. Spent enough time already.
BTW with driver fbdev the mouse wheel does not scroll.