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Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: vector on November 14, 2007, 02:48:23 am

Title: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: vector on November 14, 2007, 02:48:23 am
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/old-pkgs/VL5.9-STD-RC1.3.iso
New kernel some new surprises (think vasm control center) lots of fixes. Please everyone try this. We are close so want to get the last wrinkles out. We have a preview of vasmCC in there not quite done yet but want some feed back. It's looking better keep those cards and letters coming. If your a vectorite then you want to be proud of what goes out to the next generation of vectorbies.............lets make it so!

cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 14, 2007, 09:36:23 am
Installed flawlessly with defaults.  Although I did choose nv for vid driver.  Noticed that the stinking caps/scroll/num lock led's do not work.  Although they do function.
I've yet to get Xfburn to do anything. Starting via Xfce menu just yields a busy mouse pointer until it finally passes. But clicking the menu entry again will open it up.  I noticed when running ps aux that the first attempted xfburn process (executed by menu) never terminates.  When there is a instance of xfburn running, you are able to open xfburn successfully, but it won't pick up any of the devices.  Also, the orphaned process will tie up my CDROM drive preventing mount or umount.  My CDROM is not a burner.
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vector:/~
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/cdr -> hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/cdrom -> hdd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/cdrw -> hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/cdwriter -> hdc
vector:/~
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/dvd -> hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/dvdrw -> hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-11-14 05:30 /dev/dvdwriter -> hdc
hdc is my burn/read anything device and hdd is merely a cd reader.  CDROM mounts fine when the xfburn process isn't dinking with it.  Starting xfburn via cli reveals nothing exciting at all.  It just hangs without any output until I get bored and stop the process.  Root cli has all the same results.

Missing icons in Xfce menu still. "About Xfce" and the two from the settings submenu "Autostarted Applications" and "Database Access Properties".

VasmCC-  Nice addition, I think it will be gratefully accepted by users.  Nice work Moe and friends!  But...  when selecting "X Window" catagory, when the text goes bold.  It expands to two lines.  The second line goes out of the container making it unreadable. Also noticed the "Exit" button text looks.... weird sometimes until you mouse over it. Then it straightens out.

Alright, I'm gonna come right out and say it.  I hate the look of the "vsuper" dialog.  I hope you'll consider adding gksu to the iso so vsuper will detect and use it like the good ol' days.

Thunar File Manager (root) added.  Thank You.

That's about all I've noticed at this time.  Sorry for sounding so picky, but Gold is rapidly approaching so I thought I'd bring up things I'd normally not worry about.

Overall, it's a very usable system.  Nice work  :)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 14, 2007, 09:44:06 am

VasmCC-  Nice addition, I think it will be gratefully accepted by users.  Nice work Moe and friends!  But...  when selecting "X Window" catagory, when the text goes bold.  It expands to two lines.  The second line goes out of the container making it unreadable. Also noticed the "Exit" button text looks.... weird sometimes until you mouse over it. Then it straightens out.


What screen resolution are you using?
Does it help if you resize the panes? click on the separator line and drag it to resize...
Let me know if it helps, so I can set the widths to this panels right...

VasmCC is very young... Thanks for testing...

I too hate the looks of everything after you click on the icons on vasmCC, but not much we can do there ATM... maybe later.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on November 14, 2007, 09:49:41 am
VasmCC-  Nice addition, I think it will be gratefully accepted by users.  Nice work Moe and friends!  But...  when selecting "X Window" catagory, when the text goes bold.  It expands to two lines.  The second line goes out of the container making it unreadable. Also noticed the "Exit" button text looks.... weird sometimes until you mouse over it. Then it straightens out.

Now we see how modest you are. The VasmCC was written by Moe and the desktop launchers were put together by Nightflier and Exeterdad.
Nice work guys!

I dont see any of the problems you mentioned with vasmCC here. can you post a screen?
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/uelsk8s/Screenshot-8.png)

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 14, 2007, 10:20:53 am
Screen Res is 1280x1024.
Here's two screenshot's. First is VasmCC as seen when first opened.  Then after clicking the "X Window" catagory.  Resizing makes no difference.  Even dragging center divider to the right.  Even maximized doesn't straighten it out.  But it sure gets big  :D I can't seem to duplicate the "exit" button thingie.  Maybe it was a fluke.

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6356/beforern9.th.png) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beforern9.png)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1803/afterop3.th.png) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afterop3.png)


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I too hate the looks of everything after you click on the icons on vasmCC, but not much we can do there ATM... maybe later.
I wasn't talking about the dialogs while using VasmCC.  I was talking about how I hate the looks of "vsuper" when we need to supply a password for a privileged task.

But, I agree with the appearance of the dialogs after the VasmCC frontend.  But without some serious work to the VASM scripts, or a seperate VASM-like system we're gonna have to deal with it.  VASM doesn't require X.


Edit:  Dang...  I wish I would of thought to add NIGHTFLIERS icon entries into my VasmCC before the screenies.  What you see folks is the VasmCC as it is on the new ISO.  Uelsk8s above screenshot shows nightfliers "a little too late for ISO" menu icons installed.  And...  Uelsk8s did a lot with VasmCC as well.  Not sure exactly what, but he sure orchestrated a lot via PM.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 14, 2007, 10:49:05 am
The next one will be yet better ;)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: toothandnail on November 14, 2007, 12:03:21 pm
Finally finished downloading (worst for a long time), and installed.

Install was fine, though "linux2" is still unusable for me - I can't select UK keyboard layout booted from it.

YASMCC looks good, though I'm having the problem already mentioned with the Xwindows selection.

The mount applet in VASM still has problems - attempting to add /dev/hda1 (NTFS) still results in an fstab which lists it as XFS.

Still missing a few icons in the menus - missing are About XFCE, Autostarted Applications, GTKFind and PPRacer.

Otherwise, so far, very good...

One other peculiarity. I have  libjavaplugin_oji.so in /, which is a link to /usr/lib/java/i386/l libjavaplugin_oji.so. Not doing any harm, but I don't think it really should be there...  ;D

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: toothandnail on November 14, 2007, 12:40:03 pm
Gslapt will not execute from the menu - selecting it does nothing at all. Executed from a terminal (as root), I get a number of errors:

Code: [Select]
(gslapt:3256): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()

(gslapt:3256): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
regex failed on [PACKAGE NAME:  orbit2-2.14.8-1vl59.tlz]
regex failed on [PACKAGE NAME:  orbit2-2.14.8-1vl59.tlz]

but it does work...

I also tried Edit > Unmark all, but it didn't work - had to exit and restart to clear the execute list.

paul.


Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 14, 2007, 01:53:07 pm
Wow, that vasmCC looks pretty cool! should we give our thanks to the gambasian fellowship?
God, this download is taking for ever, is a 10 kb/s here...
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 14, 2007, 01:57:52 pm
gambasian fellowship

hehe.... I like that...

Gambasian ....

funny... yet accurate ;)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 14, 2007, 02:41:22 pm
I'm downloading as we speak. It is SLOOOOW! I started late this morning and at about 35% it errored out and I had to start all over. I hope it'll be done before I go to bed. :)

Can't wait to try it out!
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: toothandnail on November 14, 2007, 03:00:55 pm
I'm downloading as we speak. It is SLOOOOW! I started late this morning and at about 35% it errored out and I had to start all over. I hope it'll be done before I go to bed. :)

Yeah, horribly slow here too. Mind you, since I'm paranoid and always use wget -c for this type of download, at least it didn't error out. Just took 5 hours plus to complete...

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Can't wait to try it out!
--GrannyGeek

 ;D Its well worth the wait...

paul
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 14, 2007, 04:40:35 pm
Yeah, horribly slow here too. Mind you, since I'm paranoid and always use wget -c for this type of download, at least it didn't error out. Just took 5 hours plus to complete...

Thanks for the reminder. My download errored out AGAIN, so this time I'm using wget. I usually use Opera for downloads and it will resume a stopped download, but not an error. Maybe the slowness of the connection is causing problems. I'm getting better speed now, too. wget is reporting 3-1/2 hours to go.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: nightflier on November 14, 2007, 05:46:57 pm
After spending this time with vasmCC, I have formed some opinions:

I think the logo should be incorporated in the welcome screen. Some advertisement is fine, but once you get down to business, the screen real estate should be dedicated to the task. The title bar will still show what you're working with.

The scripts that can not be run under X (like autosetup) should not be included.

With the freedom of motion that the GUI gives us, the launchers should only be one level deep. Better to add some categories to the left panel. That way we could eliminate some duplications as well. Thinking of it.. I'll start on that, just in case   ;)
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Pita on November 14, 2007, 07:03:19 pm
Just started downloading at around 40 Kb/sec. That will take 4½ hours with prozilla.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Dweeberkitty on November 14, 2007, 07:09:07 pm
vasmCC looks cool! Good job. I wonder though, how hard it would be to integrate each of those "modules" or scripts into the new KDE 4 Control Center. It would be nice to have one central control panel instead of a KDE one and a Vasm one. Just a thought. Probably not worth anything.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 14, 2007, 07:29:54 pm
gambasian fellowship

hehe.... I like that...

Gambasian ....

funny... yet accurate ;)

he, I think was the gambasian's leader who made up that one, I added the "fellowship" thing.

Ohh, after the long download, it wont boot, is there an md5?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on November 14, 2007, 07:44:24 pm
9da06e61bf6a25f51b9a37e5fd5fc7bc  VL5.9-STD-RC1.3.iso
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 14, 2007, 10:05:25 pm
Thanks, Uel, the download is corrupted... :(
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Pita on November 15, 2007, 12:54:08 am
Getting closer.

Boot messages now well within terminal frame.

Frozen-bubble can again be launched with -no-fullscreen flag. We know for -fullscreen we have to wait for xorg to fix the driver for sagave.

First startx gave a black screen and a teminal in the upper left corner. I had expected xfce4 to open.

Twm will not exit except with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.

No icons on xfce4-panel for Quit and Speaker.

CD icon still follows cursor.

Audio CD can only be played with xine. Audacious and mplayer claim that there is no audio CD.

In cups can't make anything out of the printers offered for Epson such as
Generic PCL 4 Printer Cups-gutenprint..... etc
Never seen before.

Yes it seems I can't print with this kernel 2.6.23.1 with my Epson LQ300 printer. I took the kernel over to VL5.8-STD and sure enough it will not print. I overlooked that on RC1 assuming it will print as it did with the Beta versions on previous kernel.

VASMCC looks nice!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: BlueMage on November 15, 2007, 03:41:20 am
Bugger, I need to clean up the drool on my desk now...

Yeah, downloading and eager to try.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Witek Mozga on November 15, 2007, 04:03:23 am
Kernel Selction Help is confusing for me, it says that:
linux   : For most systems with IDE/SATA harddisk (default)

few lines below:
The default is 'linux2'

but when I just pressed enter the message was:
loading kernels/sata

Which then is the default kernel? linux, linux2 or sata!?   ???
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 15, 2007, 04:49:24 am
"same as above but with new initrd"


Wm, apparently, both of them are "sata", but linux2 use a new initrd.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 05:57:23 am
vasmCC looks cool! Good job. I wonder though, how hard it would be to integrate each of those "modules" or scripts into the new KDE 4 Control Center. It would be nice to have one central control panel instead of a KDE one and a Vasm one. Just a thought. Probably not worth anything.


MMM.... I can think of a couple of reasons not to do that. let me see if I can put those down in an orderly fashion:

First, and probabbly the most relevant.... We only ship KDE with SOHO ... How would we configure STD?
Second .... I dont know C or C++ ;) (I assume it's written in one of those)

With that said, I think our configuration (be it vasm vasmCC or whatever else) needs to be DE-independant.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 15, 2007, 06:58:50 am
ok, was a long wait, but this is great!
I have no the vasmCC problem. Looks very good. A few minor things to comment, but perhaps we should start a new thread for it, is a hole new thing.
media-refresh gives me 

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Failed to execute child process "sginfo" (No such file or directory)

I had problems with the keyboard layout too, vasm fixed it though.

Terminal doesn't work for me, the same weird problem. I can-t find and explanation for it, but I am comfortable with xterm. I am pretty sure it is a non-vl-related problem. I will do more research if I can make the time for it.

After thinking a while, I made an opinion about Acrobat Reader. Some users have problems to install it, so is good thing to have it in the iso. But the size is huge. I think we should include a vector graphics tool in the place of Xara, and Inkscape is the obvious choice. Gvim could be good too, or perhaps Geany. I think we should include a least one more 'dev' editor. So, resuming, I think the size of AR lives out a few of cool and useful apps. Of course, is just one opinion. May be the fact I have more use for Inkscape and text editors is influencing my argument  ::),

I installed a few packages with Gslapt, I have the problems mentioned. It download everything but hangs during the install. Who packaged Amaya? Thank you very much  ;)

Well, a great job as always. I thing this one is in shape, a few minor things...
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 15, 2007, 07:28:04 am
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Who packaged Amaya?

 ;D

I started inkscape a couple weeks ago, but had a few deps to build.  Then got distracted.  Such is life for me  :D
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 15, 2007, 07:38:54 am
Since I'd consider the use of Gslapt important.  Those that need a quick fix until it's resolved in the next release.  As root (terminal):
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sed -i "s|/usr/sbin|vsuper /usr/sbin|" /usr/share/applications/gslapt.desktop
Will add the vsuper command before gslapt is launched, so you can enter your root password.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: toothandnail on November 15, 2007, 08:37:58 am
Since I'd consider the use of Gslapt important.  Those that need a quick fix until it's resolved in the next release.  As root (terminal):
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sed -i "s|/usr/sbin|vsuper /usr/sbin|" /usr/share/applications/gslapt.desktop
Will add the vsuper command before gslapt is launched, so you can enter your root password.

Thanks. Saved me manually editing the gslapt desktop file.

Gslapt itself still has a lot of problems here. I attempted to update 4 files earlier, and had it lock up 3 times. It eventually completed, but I had to kill it three times to get it to do so.

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 08:47:24 am
I think the logo should be incorporated in the welcome screen. Some advertisement is fine, but once you get down to business, the screen real estate should be dedicated to the task. The title bar will still show what you're working with.

I Agree... It looks good one time... but then it gets dorky after a while

We'll have to eliminate that.

The scripts that can not be run under X (like autosetup) should not be included.

With the freedom of motion that the GUI gives us, the launchers should only be one level deep. Better to add some categories to the left panel. That way we could eliminate some duplications as well. Thinking of it.. I'll start on that, just in case   ;)

That can be easily done without modifying the vasmCC code (except to add more categories)...
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on November 15, 2007, 09:03:10 am
I think the logo should be incorporated in the welcome screen. Some advertisement is fine, but once you get down to business, the screen real estate should be dedicated to the task. The title bar will still show what you're working with.

I Agree... It looks good one time... but then it gets dorky after a while

We'll have to eliminate that.

M0E,
I think you have misunderstood nightflier on this. I understood him as saying the vasmcc logo should only be seen in the welcome screen. and I think you read that as the welcome screen looks bad.
please correct me if my interpretations are incorrect.

IMO without the vasmcc logo at the top vasmcc will look too plain, and I think we need to have either a welcome screen or an about/help screen.

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 09:40:02 am
I agree... the window without the vasmCC logo would look way too plain.

I still think the welcome message is kinda dorky after a while...

BTW... right-click the vasmCC .... Surprise! ;)

Like I said... it's a young project but I'm sure it will turn into a great application.

Should I add a menu for the help/about window? I had it on there, but it looked too simple to me, so I removed it
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: blurymind on November 15, 2007, 09:46:53 am
vasm cc looks very nice.   ;D
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: nightflier on November 15, 2007, 09:48:06 am
Yeah, I did not say the logo looked bad.

As far as plain goes, I like plain and uncluttered (my desktop is boring solid color, no icons, no quick launchers on panel, etc..).
My preference would be to have the logo only to appear in the welcome screen. But that may be just me.  :P
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 15, 2007, 09:51:37 am
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BTW... right-click the vasmCC .... Surprise!
Huh? Wha? Surprise?  I get nothing.  Exactly where and how? I want my Easter Egg!
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 10:38:44 am
Quote from: nightflier

Yeah, I did not say the logo looked bad.
Good. 'cuz I would have had to disagree with that one... I like that logo so much I put it as a wall paper on my phone ;)

Actually, I thought you were talking about the welcome message that comes up when you start it... the one that says "Welcome to the VASMCC ... blah...blah...blah"...
I'm saying that needs to go away.

Quote from: exeterdad
Huh? Wha? Surprise?  I get nothing.  Exactly where and how? I want my Easter Egg!

I wonder if I took it off after all...
I left it as a right-click event because I eliminated the menu (since it looked too plain)... but it used to be just right click anywhere on the graphic. I wasn't sure if there should be one or not.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: rbistolfi on November 15, 2007, 11:05:48 am
The logo looks great, the font used for "VASM" is perfect.
I think those task can't be made with X running should not be removed. Without them VasmCC will not be "Center" anymore. But a dialog could be added, asking "Do you want to kill X now?" or something like that; and then "Yes" could call init 2 and the script in question, once the task is ended, go back to the previous init. "Cancel" could just returns to VasmCC.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 15, 2007, 11:41:06 am
The third time was the charm and I finally got RC1.3 installed on the troublesome Turion laptop. For the first time ever, the default kernel installed without hanging and I didn't have to select another kernel. I got my wireless with WPA going without much trouble except for the very laborious and cryptic way it has to be done. I have my nfs network working and am able to share files with my other Linux systems.

That's the good part. Now for the bad part: ONCE AGAIN, MY SOUND ISN'T WORKING! Same problem as before--Audacious shows bars when I play a music file but no sound comes from the speakers. Alsamixer calls it an HDA NVidia card with SigmaTel STAC9200 chip using the snd-hda-intel driver. The frustrating part is that sound worked perfectly right out of the box in RC1 with the 2.6.22.10sm kernel. I was expecting the same to continue with this kernel, but no. We're right back where we started. The *only* time sound has worked on this laptop was with RC1 and 2.6.22.10sm.

Please, please tell me what to do to get sound working. It's absolutely essential.

I haven't used GSlapt yet. I took a loot at VASMCC. It looks very nice with the icons and all and I'm sure would be more appealing to newbies than the text-look of VASM. However, when you click to get the actual setting in VASMCC, you're back at the text look and I find it kind of jarring. I believe spiffing that up is planned. It'll be a good addition. When I select File System-Backup System, I get this when I try to do a manual backup:
No /etc/backupsys.conf. Do nothing then.

This is cryptic. What creates /etc/backupsys.conf? There's no explanation for the user. In the past, Backup System automatically backed up a bunch of files in /etc. I don't understand what Backup System is supposed to do and how do I get it to do it manually?

I have a suggestion for /usr/share/fonts/TTF. There are many,many fonts for non-Western languages. This makes a very long font list and is of no use for those who aren't using a particular language. While I fully endorse having many language fonts available, they shouldn't be loaded for everyone by default. Why not put those non-Western language fonts into a directory of their own? It could be made a font directory and be listed in xorg.conf and fonts.conf, but could be easily turned off by those who don't need these fonts simply by putting a # at the beginning of the line for the non-Western font directory in xorg.conf. As it is now, I create a /usr/share/moved_fonts directory, move the /OTF and /cyrillic directories to moved_fonts, and go through /TTF so I can send the fonts I'll never use to /moved_fonts.

I haven't yet installed RC1.3 on my Celeron desktop and probably won't intall it on the Celeron laptop, as I like having a reference point for RC1.

Will report as I do more testing.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 12:00:42 pm

I haven't used GSlapt yet. I took a loot at VASMCC. It looks very nice with the icons and all and I'm sure would be more appealing to newbies than the text-look of VASM. However, when you click to get the actual setting in VASMCC, you're back at the text look and I find it kind of jarring. I believe spiffing that up is planned. It'll be a good addition.

I absolutely agree... in fact, I brought this up earlier.... and was thinking of a way around it, however, every possible way I can think of requires a complete re-write of vasm. I sure dont want to do that...

I personally hate the looks of Xdialog... especially on this day and age, that you can easily design better looking GUI's.

It'd be nice to have a full vasm GUI, but it is a lot of work, and I no longer have that kind of time in my hands.

It is possible to create an application like the current vasm in gambas2, using Text mode if GUI is not available and using GUI when X is running... but there is so much in vasm that I dont know... lots and lots of scripts... all of which would have to be re-worked to fit the new purpose.

But I do agree, it'd be a nice addition.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: newt on November 15, 2007, 12:20:29 pm
I wonder if I took it off after all...
I left it as a right-click event because I eliminated the menu (since it looked too plain)... but it used to be just right click anywhere on the graphic. I wasn't sure if there should be one or not.

#1 - The first rule of easter eggs is, you do not talk about easter eggs.
#2 - The second rule of easter eggs is, you DO NOT talk about easter eggs.
#3 - If someone finds the easter egg the fun is over.
:D
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: The Headacher on November 15, 2007, 12:59:34 pm
After installing this version with vinstall-iso, I can't boot into it. This is the first time that happened for me. I get a kernel panic:
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Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,10)
Some more info: I installed on my sata drive, on sda10. I already tried "linux root=/dev/sda10" and "linux root=/dev/hda10", without success.
Unfortunately, /var/log/messages is empty, so I can't copy anything from there here. Let me know if more info is needed, I'll write down whatever messages you want ;).
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: MikeCindi on November 15, 2007, 01:10:57 pm
I also used vinstall-iso but had no problems...I'm not fortunate enough to have sata capability though. Overall rc1.3 has done well for me and my laptop but haven't had enough time with it yet to do my "pet" changes.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 15, 2007, 01:27:47 pm
I wonder if I took it off after all...
I left it as a right-click event because I eliminated the menu (since it looked too plain)... but it used to be just right click anywhere on the graphic. I wasn't sure if there should be one or not.

#1 - The first rule of easter eggs is, you do not talk about easter eggs.
#2 - The second rule of easter eggs is, you DO NOT talk about easter eggs.
#3 - If someone finds the easter egg the fun is over.
:D

Agreed!.. but it was not intended as an easter egg....

Although, it may not be a bad idea to add one ;) just for the fun of it.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 15, 2007, 01:57:05 pm
Some more info: I installed on my sata drive, on sda10. I already tried "linux root=/dev/sda10" and "linux root=/dev/hda10", without success.
Unfortunately, /var/log/messages is empty, so I can't copy anything from there here. Let me know if more info is needed, I'll write down whatever messages you want ;).

When you try linux root=/dev/sda10 etc., is "linux" the name of the kernel you installed? I assume you're trying to boot into Linux with the VL installation CD. If you do that, you have to use the exact name of the kernel you installed, such as linux, sata, linux2, sata2, or whatever option you actually used (I don't know which of those is the default for a RC1.3 installation).

You probably already know this and I'm not understanding what you've tried, but I thought I'd mention it just in case. Also, other people may not be aware of this because the CD just says to type
linux root=/dev/hda2 ro
or something like that and doesn't suggest or explain that that won't work if you used something other than the default kernel. You'll get a kernel panic. At least that's always been my experience.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on November 15, 2007, 02:03:53 pm
After installing this version with vinstall-iso, I can't boot into it. This is the first time that happened for me. I get a kernel panic:
Quote
Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,10)
Some more info: I installed on my sata drive, on sda10. I already tried "linux root=/dev/sda10" and "linux root=/dev/hda10", without success.
Unfortunately, /var/log/messages is empty, so I can't copy anything from there here. Let me know if more info is needed, I'll write down whatever messages you want ;).

The problem here is the way the new kernel sees SATA device (/dev/hd*)
If you install this iso using the vinstall-iso method with a kernel that sees SATA devices as /dev/sd* and install lilo you will not be able to boot.

we are looking into solutions to this.

Thanks,
 Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Lyn on November 15, 2007, 02:11:17 pm
Well it took 3 goes to download the iso but unfortunately it didn't install  without hiccups...  no resolution as yet of one problem, cant set up xorg.... I tried the vesa driver but no luck, couldn't set up for my i810 graphics chip, this has been a problem with other distros but not with Vector up to this point.  So back to a beta version for now....
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 15, 2007, 03:24:07 pm
It is possible to create an application like the current vasm in gambas2, using Text mode if GUI is not available and using GUI when X is running... but there is so much in vasm that I dont know... lots and lots of scripts... all of which would have to be re-worked to fit the new purpose.

That sounds to me like too much work for the small gain. I've never minded the looks of VASM in either text mode or the GUI version. It's plain, sure, but it's fully functional and easy to use.

Developer time might better be spent on something else. It would be nice to have a pretty VASMCC, though.

What I'd really like to see is an easier way to set up wireless. I was impressed with the GUI setup in PCLinuxOS and Mandriva One. I wish we could have something similar just for wireless (VASM is fine for the other stuff). It wouldn't need to be fancy; a text-look would be fine. It should just make it easy to set up everything needed for making a connection step by step, including a way to assign a fixed IP address, and a way to set up wifi-radar. Also a way to make the connection automatic whenever you start your computer, if that's what you want.

As it is now, I have to start wifi-radar whenever I start XFce, then I have to tell wifi-radar to disconnect, then tell it to connect. I don't understand why I have to disconnect with wifi-radar when it first starts and then tell it to connect. I suspect it has something to do with DNS, but I already have my connection's DNS server entered in VASM's wireless connection section and in wifi-radar.conf.

If we're concerned about new users, I think VL needs to make WPA wireless easier.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Pita on November 15, 2007, 10:59:33 pm
I think I just have confirmed that, as reported earlier I can't print with kernel 2.6.23.1.
I replaced it with kernel 2.6.21.1 and whoom, what was in the print queue was printed when I rebooted. I changed back to 2.6.23.1 and nothing is being printed again. Rebooted twice just to make sure, nothing doing.
Needless to say in between the changes I do the lilo bid.

My Epson LQ300 printer is connecetd to an USB port. Could that be the problem for kernel 2.6.23.1?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on November 15, 2007, 11:02:37 pm
Pita, that is one I haven't heard before. can you post output of lsmod and lsusb for both kernels?

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Pita on November 16, 2007, 12:44:09 am
Pita, that is one I haven't heard before. can you post output of lsmod and lsusb for both kernels?

Thanks,
Uelsk8s

In lsmod I removed the snd.... part to make it shorter.

lsmod26211

req_table              4640  0
lp                     11016  0
parport_pc             37220  1
parport                31688  2 lp,parport_pc
sg                     28584  0
ide_scsi               15372  0
gameport               12808  1 snd_via82xx
snd_ac97_codec         95788  1 snd_via82xx
ac97_bus                3072  1 snd_ac97_codec
usblp                  12804  0
i2c_prosavage           4608  0
soundcore               7264  1 snd
i2c_algo_bit            8208  1 i2c_prosavage
i2c_viapro              8988  0
i2c_core               18816  3 i2c_prosavage,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_viapro
dmfe                   20416  0
shpchp                 30496  0
pci_hotplug            28752  1 shpchp
via_agp                 9216  1
agpgart                29772  1 via_agp
evdev                   9088  4

lsmod26231

lp                     10376  0
parport_pc             36580  1
parport                31432  2 lp,parport_pc
ide_scsi               14344  0
usblp                  12032  0 
gameport               11784  1 snd_via82xx
i2c_prosavage           3968  0
i2c_algo_bit            6020  1 i2c_prosavage
snd_ac97_codec         95524  1 snd_via82xx
ac97_bus                2432  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm                69380  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec
thermal                13084  0
processor              28120  1 thermal
button                  6544  0
i2c_viapro              7828  0
serio_raw               5636  0
via_agp                 8576  1
i2c_core               20224  3 i2c_prosavage,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_viapro
agpgart                27468  1 via_agp
dmfe                   19356  0
shpchp                 29716  0
pci_hotplug            27040  1 shpchp
evdev                   8192  4

lsusb26211

Bus 1 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 4 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 3 Device 2: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port
Bus 3 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 2 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 

lsusb26231

Bus 2 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 4 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 3 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 
Bus 3 Device 2: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port
Bus 1 Device 1: ID 0000:0000 

I became suspicious when I tried 26231 in VL58 where it too does not print.

There is no tulip in lsmod instead dmfe otherwise I cannot connet to the internet with my davicom eth card.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 16, 2007, 01:38:22 pm
I installed RC1.3 on my Celeron desktop and had some problems. With the linux kernel option it didn't see my floppy drive or my sound card (a VIA AC97 that has always worked with earlier Linuxes). So I reinstalled, this time using the linux2 kernel. This time it did see my sound card, but still no floppy drive is recognized.

Other than that, it's fine so far. I'm a bit alarmed, though, because I've never had a problem with any hardware on this desktop and have installed every version of VL from 4.whatever Standard to RC1.3, including several betas for 5.8 Standard, and this is the first time I've had hardware recognition problems.

I almost forgot--when I tried to select a /mnt/win partition during installation, it didn't show my FAT32 partitions, only my NTFS partitions. I had the same thing happen on my Turion laptop--only the NTFS partition was offered for /mnt/win during installation. On both computers I was able to add all my partitions through VASM once VL was installed and running.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: toothandnail on November 16, 2007, 02:44:36 pm
I almost forgot--when I tried to select a /mnt/win partition during installation, it didn't show my FAT32 partitions, only my NTFS partitions. I had the same thing happen on my Turion laptop--only the NTFS partition was offered for /mnt/win during installation. On both computers I was able to add all my partitions through VASM once VL was installed and running.

As a matter of curiosity, were you able to add NTFS partitions with VASM? My attempts to do so have ended up with them being set up as XFS instead of NTFS. I'm wondering if this is a general problem or something to do with the strange partitions on my laptop - It currently has XP Pro, OS/2 (one copy current, one copy beta), two versions of Zenwalk (1 4.8 plus, one Snapshot) plus VL 5.9 RC1.3. I use XFS for most of my Linux partitions, and have both HPFS and JFS partitions for OS/2, so I'm not sure whether the multitude of file systems may be confusing VASM...

paul.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 16, 2007, 03:52:27 pm
Yes, I had no problems adding NTFS partitions with VASM. On one computer I have one NTFS partition; on another I have three NTFS partitions, three FAT32 partitions, and two other Linux partitions formatted with reiserfs.

I did have an odd problem with some 5.8 Standard betas. VASM identified one Windows partition as reiserfs. I think it was FAT32 (can't remember for sure). I went ahead and had VASM mount it with the noauto option and then I'd fix it up in /etc/fstab. It was odd, though, that it was identified as reiserfs. I think it was a bug that got fixed somewhere in the beta cycle.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: vector on November 16, 2007, 09:11:38 pm
yo grannygeek I pm'd you did you get it rather important............please read your messages ..............this appies to you so please look.
thanks,
vec

 
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 16, 2007, 09:16:40 pm
yo grannygeek I pm'd you did you get it rather important............please read your messages ..............this appies to you so please look.
thanks,
vec

I got the message and have burned the test file to CD. Am about to give it a try and will let you know the results.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: nightflier on November 17, 2007, 03:19:18 pm
the launchers should only be one level deep

To answer myself, I now see that some would require modifications to the base scripts. Besides, there are only a few cases where you go a level deeper. Disregard.  :P
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Pita on November 17, 2007, 05:13:46 pm
I made a new install, this time with linux2. All went well and the problems reported earlier still exist among them:

First startx gives a black screen with a terminal in the left upper corner. Can get out of it only with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. After assigning a desktop with xwmconfig, xfce4 or others will start properly.

Printing with kernel 2.6.23.1 ist still impossible. I do a lot of printing, that would be a no go.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: nightflier on November 18, 2007, 09:19:00 am
I got the same X issue first time I ran startx as regular user. I entered "startxfce4" in the terminal window. This brought up the window manager and it has been working fine since.

After configuring my network printer using the CUPS web interface, I can print to it, at least from Firefox.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on November 18, 2007, 05:36:53 pm
This is the first VL version that dependably shuts my computer completely off.  Other versions would boot down, shut down the HD's but not shut off (most of the time).  I would have to tweak my LILO to correct before.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 05, 2007, 11:14:17 pm
Crap, I guess I'd better learn Gambas for real then. :)

What of the text mode VASM?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: exeterdad on December 06, 2007, 04:16:10 am
Huh?  Text mode vasm is still there.  VasmCC is just a graphical frontend for vasm that goes a level or two deep.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 06, 2007, 08:06:32 am
Huh?  Text mode vasm is still there.  VasmCC is just a graphical frontend for vasm that goes a level or two deep.

Damn, I got so off-track since I was last here. Is the 5.9 release candidate stable? I'll have a go and look at it then, and see whether my Perl project still fits in somehow.
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on December 06, 2007, 08:13:18 am
Huh?  Text mode vasm is still there.  VasmCC is just a graphical frontend for vasm that goes a level or two deep.

Damn, I got so off-track since I was last here. Is the 5.9 release candidate stable? I'll have a go and look at it then, and see whether my Perl project still fits in somehow.
Good to see you around.
we have had some problems getting your vasm to work with all the upgrades and lack of time.
I do have it working somewhat though it needs to be tested more for sure.
I have your package here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm2-epsilon-minus-minus-0.01-i486-2.tlz
and a repackaged vasm-sumo here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm-sumo-1.0-i586-2vl59.tlz
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 06, 2007, 04:19:32 pm
Good to see you around.
we have had some problems getting your vasm to work with all the upgrades and lack of time.
I do have it working somewhat though it needs to be tested more for sure.
I have your package here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm2-epsilon-minus-minus-0.01-i486-2.tlz
and a repackaged vasm-sumo here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm-sumo-1.0-i586-2vl59.tlz

Crap, I have no blank CDs, so, unfortunately, I can't do anything until Monday. Well, VasmCC is a Gambas frontend to the existing VASM, I take it? That seems somewhat haphazard. And I still have no frigging clue how I'm going to resolve two outstanding issues in my VASM: my lack of access to hardware for programs like vwireless2 and running seamlessly in GUI mode. I seriously don't know what I'm going to do. The pressure is so much.

IRC is blocked on our stupid campus, by the way, so I can't join you in #vectorlinux-admin. >:(
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on December 06, 2007, 04:30:50 pm
Good to see you around.
we have had some problems getting your vasm to work with all the upgrades and lack of time.
I do have it working somewhat though it needs to be tested more for sure.
I have your package here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm2-epsilon-minus-minus-0.01-i486-2.tlz
and a repackaged vasm-sumo here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/vasm-sumo-1.0-i586-2vl59.tlz

Crap, I have no blank CDs, so, unfortunately, I can't do anything until Monday. Well, VasmCC is a Gambas frontend to the existing VASM, I take it? That seems somewhat haphazard. And I still have no frigging clue how I'm going to resolve two outstanding issues in my VASM: my lack of access to hardware for programs like vwireless2 and running seamlessly in GUI mode. I seriously don't know what I'm going to do. The pressure is so much.

IRC is blocked on our stupid campus, by the way, so I can't join you in #vectorlinux-admin. >:(
vasmCC is a front end to anything really we can plugin just about anything to work behind the scenes. It was designed that way so we could use your tools when they mature. and it wont matter much what is used for the GUI mode.
We can help work with the hardware we have to get you through wireless I suspect.
Can you ssh into another box and run irc from there?
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 06, 2007, 04:50:13 pm
> we could use your tools when they mature. and it wont matter much what is used for the GUI mode.

The problem is that I'm not even sure if I can do a GUI mode. My version depends on UI::Dialog and that doesn't seem to cooperate with Zenity. Which is a huge problem.

> Can you ssh into another box and run irc from there?

turkey.fvdh.net (Xeon hosts my account :)) doesn't seem to function atm, at least not for SSH. I forgot about my other account. :(

Are they blocking SSH now, too? Jhee-zees...
Title: Re: VL-5.9-STD-RC1.3
Post by: uelsk8s on December 06, 2007, 04:56:30 pm
you can still ssh into the build box.
or try something like this http://ircatwork.com/