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The nuts and bolts => Installation & Updates => Topic started by: TC on November 28, 2007, 04:04:17 pm

Title: Binary Programs
Post by: TC on November 28, 2007, 04:04:17 pm
I have downloaded a couple of programs that VL 5.8 recognize as binary programs such as AGV Anti-Virus and E-Sword Bible Program.  What do I need to do in order to run these or other programs like them on VL 5.8, thank you TC.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: lagagnon on November 28, 2007, 04:28:48 pm
Linux will not natively run MS Windows .exe files. But it can run about 75% of them using "Wine". You would need to install wine first - use the "gslapt" program in your menu for that (for help with understanding Linux packages and software installation read our VL Manuals (icon on your desktop) or go here : http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl58/manuals/vl5_slaptget_en.html .

Running wine does require that you read its documentation available here: http://www.winehq.org

You do not need anti-virus software under Linux, unless you run a server than will be serving MS Windows machines, so you can delete the AVG file.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on November 28, 2007, 09:18:34 pm
I have downloaded a couple of programs that VL 5.8 recognize as binary programs such as AGV Anti-Virus and E-Sword Bible Program.  What do I need to do in order to run these or other programs like them on VL 5.8, thank you TC.

As lagagon mentioned, AV is essentially unnecessary. An equivalent Bible study program, which is in the Vector Linux repository, is 'bibletime'. Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 29, 2007, 02:11:27 pm
Linux will not natively run MS Windows .exe files. But it can run about 75% of them using "Wine".

Did you pull that percentage out of the air or is there actual evidence to support it? I haven't had anywhere near 75% success. Maybe that's true with games, but I'm not a gamer, don't have any Windows games, and have never tried to install a game under Wine. Of the programs I've tried, a few run perfectly, some run well enough to be usable, some run but are lacking major functions, and some (the ones I really wanted) wouldn't run at all.

I decided a QEMU virtual machine was the way to go. Everything runs there.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Dweeberkitty on November 29, 2007, 04:30:42 pm
I have downloaded a couple of programs that VL 5.8 recognize as binary programs such as AGV Anti-Virus and E-Sword Bible Program.  What do I need to do in order to run these or other programs like them on VL 5.8, thank you TC.

I have installed AVG Anti-Virus on a 5.8 SOHO system for a client of mine. Grisoft has a native Linux installer for AVG. Try that if you feel it's really necessary. There really aren't any Linux viruses that exist. Of the ones that do, you have to hunt them down and work to make them do anything to your system, so there's really no need for an Anti-Virus program on Linux. As for a Bible program, Bible time was mentioned and it actually is just a fronted to Sword. So you essentially get the same thing as E-Sword but just on Linux.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on November 29, 2007, 04:31:21 pm

Did you pull that percentage out of the air or is there actual evidence to support it?

He may have drawn upon the information here: http://www.winehq.org/site/status_wine

Or your respective anecdotal accounts may simply differ because of which software you tried.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 29, 2007, 04:49:09 pm
An interesting chart (most of which is way beyond my understanding), but I didn't see any estimate of what percentage of Windows programs were likely to work under Wine. Did I miss it?

>> your respective anecdotal accounts may simply differ because of which software you tried. >>

I'm sure that's so. Wine works well with some Windows software and doesn't work at all with other programs. You don't know until you try.But from what I've read and heard and experienced and seen on compatibility charts, I think 75% *as a general estimate* is wildly optimistic. Unless what you want to run is in the golden group that runs without problems.

Nice to see you back!
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: lagagnon on November 29, 2007, 08:18:33 pm
Did you pull that percentage out of the air or is there actual evidence to support it?
I have read in more than one place that 75% seems to be most people's experience, but you are right, it is probably much lower than that if you take into account that some Win progs under wine don't always work "exactly" as they should. But that figure is also my own experience, more or less, with the progs I have tried - but then again - I haven't tried too many, so it is by no means a scientific average; YMMV  ;)
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on November 29, 2007, 11:14:30 pm
I'm sure that's so. Wine works well with some Windows software and doesn't work at all with other programs. You don't know until you try.But from what I've read and heard and experienced and seen on compatibility charts, I think 75% *as a general estimate* is wildly optimistic. Unless what you want to run is in the golden group that runs without problems.

notepad.exe and sol.exe run great in Wine. I think that's all that's needed.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: nightflier on November 30, 2007, 05:21:58 am
Welcome back, Hanumizzle.

Wine helped me during the transition from Windows. I'd say that 75% was fairly close when it came to the working features of the win32 programs I used. Still use it occasionally. Once a year to do my taxes. A few times every year when my employer distributes training materials on CD, with an interactive presentation and a test.

Wine is a necessary tool for when you have to run win32 apps, but learning native Linux apps is better.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 05, 2007, 05:01:11 pm
Wine helped me during the transition from Windows. I'd say that 75% was fairly close when it came to the working features of the win32 programs I used. Still use it occasionally. Once a year to do my taxes. A few times every year when my employer distributes training materials on CD, with an interactive presentation and a test.

Well, yes ... I can virtually guarantee there will be no native tax software for Linux until one of the commercial vendors port something, when there's a Universe full of beautiful problems with rational answers to be solved.  :)
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Freston on December 08, 2007, 04:40:05 am
Quote from: hanumizzle
Well, yes ... I can virtually guarantee there will be no native tax software for Linux until one of the commercial vendors port something, when there's a Universe full of beautiful problems with rational answers to be solved.  :)
Unless you live in the Netherlands. I've been compiling my electronic tax return software from source since taxation period 2005  :D
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: The Headacher on December 08, 2007, 05:34:17 am
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Unless you live in the Netherlands. I've been compiling my electronic tax return software from source since taxation period 2005
They have a source version as well? I've used the precompiled version from www.belastigdienst.nl . I think it's great that at least some parts of the government don't just assume everybody uses winDOS.
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: rbistolfi on December 08, 2007, 07:30:24 am
Wow, the government provides the tool for your taxes, and for more than one platform? We are so far from that, we should tell Maxima to bring something of that to here :D
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on December 08, 2007, 07:49:08 am
Quote from: hanumizzle
Well, yes ... I can virtually guarantee there will be no native tax software for Linux until one of the commercial vendors port something, when there's a Universe full of beautiful problems with rational answers to be solved.  :)
Unless you live in the Netherlands. I've been compiling my electronic tax return software from source since taxation period 2005  :D

Well, maybe it's time to dig out my books on Dutch again and seriously reconsider the idea of moving to Sweden. It wouldn't be much of a challenge I guess. Vad synd att mitt andra språk kommer vara helt onyttigt!
Title: Re: Binary Programs
Post by: GrannyGeek on December 08, 2007, 02:33:48 pm
In the US all the major tax software companies offer a Web-based option. In many cases it costs nothing. All you need is a browser--any platform.
--GrannyGeek