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Vectorbie Station => Vectorbie Questions => Topic started by: arlener on January 17, 2008, 05:37:39 pm

Title: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: arlener on January 17, 2008, 05:37:39 pm
I can't find how to download Vector Linux 4.0 SOHO and is this the best version for me.
I have a 433 Mhz Dell with 127 mg RAM and lots of harddisk space.
I want to install to my harddisk and I don't care about running live CD.
I'm on dial-up so a smaller download would be good.
Should I try 3.2 SOHO?
I will want to use OpenOffice 2.0 but I assume I can add that later.
Title: I found the download now but it's 684 MG
Post by: arlener on January 17, 2008, 06:07:09 pm
Isn't there a smaller version I can download that will run on my system?
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: JohnB316 on January 17, 2008, 07:32:42 pm
Arlener,

Our older versions (5.1 and older) are in the "attic" of our repositories. Here is a link to the main VL repo's attic: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/attic/ (http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/attic/). Keep in mind that if you want to use an older version of VL, you're pretty much on your own, because we are no longer actively supporting those versions that are in the attic.

If you need support, you might want to try using VL 5.9 standard and use either jwm or fluxbox as your window manager rather than xfce. That's just my opinion, for what it's worth.

HTH a bit,
John
Title: Re: John, I greatly appreciate your help but I don't think
Post by: arlener on January 17, 2008, 08:06:59 pm
I don't think version 5 will run on my computer. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I think version 5 requires Pentium II and my Dell is Pentium I.
I have a 433 Mhz Dell with 127 mg RAM and lots of harddisk space.
I want to install to my harddisk and I don't care about running live CD.
If you think it will run on my system, that certainly would be the smart thing for me to do.

I did find the attic where the older versions are now.

I guess right now just figuring out which version is a challenge, because of my older computer.
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: JohnB316 on January 17, 2008, 08:16:51 pm
Which model of Dell do you have? It seems to me that a 433 MHz processor would be a Pentium II class processor.

John
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: Joe1962 on January 17, 2008, 09:00:50 pm
IIRC, P1 was only up to the DX4 166MHz.
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 17, 2008, 10:33:05 pm
IIRC, P1 was only up to the DX4 166MHz.

It went higher than that. I think maybe up to 233 MHz. DX4 was in the 486 series, wasn't it?

That said, I'm pretty sure a 433 MHz CPU would be a PII.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: The Headacher on January 18, 2008, 12:41:06 am
Apparently, there was even a 300 MHz p1 (but not a 433 one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium#Models .
Since p3 starts at 450 MHz this should be a p2. If you'd like to find out what Linux thinks your cpu is, try "uname -p".

No matter what sort of pentium it may be, you might want to reconsider using openoffice. It's big and slow, and needs a lot of memory. Using it on a computer with specs that low will probably be painful at best. I think (no guarantees) that 5.9 will run on it, if you stay away from xfce and big resource users like firefox/seamonkey.

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DX4 was in the 486 series, wasn't it?
yes it was, and it only went up to 100 MHz. I still have one of those.
Title: Dell Celeron/MMX, etc. Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: arlener on January 18, 2008, 09:36:53 am
I don't have linux to run "uname -p"

I have a 433 Mhz Dell Celeron/MMX, with 127 mg RAM (128 but I think 1 is used by PCI modem card or video card). That's what shows on Norton's Checkit Diagnostics.
I have 40 GB hardisk space with less that 5 Gb used by Windows 98 SE that I am running now. The person I bought it from said it is a Pentium I but the 433 Mhz makes it faster, about Penitum 1.5.
I want to install to my harddisk, dual boot, and I don't care about running live CD.
I need to run OpenOffice 2.0 so I am compatible with Word and Excel through email with the rest of the world.
I find it a little bit hard to believe that I will have any trouble running OpenOffice under Linux if I'm running Microsoft Office under Windows 98 SE. That's slow but can OpenOffice be worse than that?

That's where I want to get to but which version of which Linux will do it for me?
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: uelsk8s on January 18, 2008, 10:07:28 am
get 5.9: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.9/iso-release/VL5.9-STD-Gold.iso

Open office is in our repo
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.9/extra/x-apps/openoffice.org-2.3.1_en_US-i586-1vl59.tlz

It will work on that system I have ran it on less.
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: Joe1962 on January 18, 2008, 10:49:36 am
IIRC, P1 was only up to the DX4 166MHz.

It went higher than that. I think maybe up to 233 MHz. DX4 was in the 486 series, wasn't it?

That said, I'm pretty sure a 433 MHz CPU would be a PII.
--GrannyGeek
Oops, thank you Granny, you're quite right of course. My memory must have been slipping right about the time I posted, lol. It was my birthday and I had drunk a few rums by then... ;D
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: nightflier on January 18, 2008, 12:10:13 pm
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY, JOE!
Title: well, I hope you are right uelsk8s, because ...Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: arlener on January 18, 2008, 01:36:11 pm
It will take about 40 hours to download by dial-up. I'll have to leave it run over the weekend.
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: newt on January 18, 2008, 01:47:03 pm
I know it's a bit premature, but maybe your system is a good candidate for the upcoming VL-Light (under half the size to download).  It can be found here from this post: http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5302.msg36485#msg36485
Version A1.3 (alpha) is the latest ATM
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: rbistolfi on January 18, 2008, 02:10:13 pm
Hi arlener, broadband is something new in my life, I was in dial up almost my hole life. What I used to do is to ask to the owner of a local internet cafe if he could download the vl iso for me and burn it in a cd. He charged me with a few bucks, lot cheaper than the phone bill :)
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 18, 2008, 05:48:52 pm
Apparently, there was even a 300 MHz p1 (but not a 433 one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium#Models .
Since p3 starts at 450 MHz this should be a p2. If you'd like to find out what Linux thinks your cpu is, try "uname -p".

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DX4 was in the 486 series, wasn't it?
yes it was, and it only went up to 100 MHz. I still have one of those.

According to the chart at Intel's Web site
( http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm#pentium )
the plain Pentium went up to 200 MHz and the Pentium MMX went up to 233 MHz. These were desktop/server CPUs. The 300 MHz Pentium was the Pentium MMX Notebook Processor.

The DX4 100 used a 3x multiplier (3x33). I don't know why they called it DX4--marketing? I used an AMD 5x86/133 processor on an upgraded computer for a couple of years, then put it on a computer I gave my cousin. It was a souped-up 486 CPU that used a 2x66 multiplier to get to 133 MHz. Its performance was between a P75 and P90.

Those were the days? Not exactly! But it was very exciting at the time.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 18, 2008, 05:59:10 pm
Sorry we missed your birthday, Joe1962. I hope it was a good one!
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Dell Celeron/MMX, etc. Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 18, 2008, 06:33:24 pm
Arlener,

You can buy a CD of VectorLinux 5.8 Standard for $2.50 US including shipping from Edmunds Enterprises
( http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/modules/cart/index.php?ba=pdtl&product=217 )
and for $4.99 from CheapBytes
( http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011368.html ). These are legal CDs. They are the same as the free version of VL you can download and are burned to a CD. They are a good option for people on dialup. 5.8 Standard is very good and I ran it happily until I started beta testing 5.9 Standard.

I have a 433 Mhz Dell Celeron/MMX, with 127 mg RAM (128 but I think 1 is used by PCI modem card or video card). That's what shows on Norton's Checkit Diagnostics.
I have 40 GB hardisk space with less that 5 Gb used by Windows 98 SE that I am running now. The person I bought it from said it is a Pentium I but the 433 Mhz makes it faster, about Penitum 1.5.

A Celeron is a slightly crippled budget model of the corresponding Pentium. At 433 MHz your Celeron would be in the Pentium II class. It does not perform as well as a Pentium II 433 primarily because the Celeron has less L2 cache. When Celerons first came out, they had *no* L2 cache and performed much worse than a Pentium. Intel came to its senses after the first Celerons were panned so badly and added L2 cache (128K, I think, compared with 512K for Pentiums of the time, but the Celeron cache ran at full clock speed whereas the PII cache ran at half clock speed). The 433 MHz Celeron has 128K L2 cache running at 433 MHz.

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I want to install to my harddisk, dual boot, and I don't care about running live CD.

Easily achieved. You'll need some empty space on your hard drive--you'll have to shrink a partition or logical drive if there is no unallocated space. There are free Linux tools to do this without destroying data (QTParted, for example). Or you can use something like Partition Magic or Partition Commander if you have them.

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I need to run OpenOffice 2.0 so I am compatible with Word and Excel through email with the rest of the world.

The much lighter weight AbiWord is compatible with MS Word, though I don't know if it does as good a job as OOo. Gnumeric is also lighter than OOo Calc and is compatible with Excel.

 
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I find it a little bit hard to believe that I will have any trouble running OpenOffice under Linux if I'm running Microsoft Office under Windows 98 SE. That's slow but can OpenOffice be worse than that?

It depends on what version of Office you're running. OOo likes RAM and CPU power, but if you can stand the wait while it loads you may be able to tolerate it.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: rbistolfi on January 18, 2008, 07:46:13 pm
One of my computers (I have just two :)) has a slightly superior hardware than yours. I use Abiword and Gnumeric for general purpose and the compatibility wit MS Office is acceptable. Sometimes the "align" property is wrong but almost every .doc is readable. I have OO in the same system for the special cases when the others fail, and for .pps viewing. The load is slow, as many multiplattform apps. The performance after boot is heavily related to the content of the document. If it has many big pictures or sound files in it, well; I am in hell. For regular documents the performance is ok. Also you can make some improvements reducing the number of possible "undos" and similar. Check the OO options.

About the version, I would recommend the latest 5.9. If you make some work on it, can be very fast and light. Use JWM instead Xfce, keep the services and daemons at minimal and avoid big apps. A few tricks that worked for me are using static ip to avoid dhcpcd and ifplugd, disabling all the services (that computer has no needs of them) and blacklisting modules for hw I dont use (it has an Infrared device I dont use, for example).
Title: Re: Where to download 4.0 SOHO
Post by: rbistolfi on January 18, 2008, 07:51:24 pm
Oops, thank you Granny, you're quite right of course. My memory must have been slipping right about the time I posted, lol. It was my birthday and I had drunk a few rums by then... ;D

Ooops, I missed that one. Feliz Cumpleaños José!!