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Title: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on January 26, 2008, 01:49:45 pm
Does anybody here own the ASUS Eee PC?  If so, what do you think of it?  Have you gotten Vector Linux running on it?  "Enquiring minds" and all that...
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: kidd on January 26, 2008, 02:10:57 pm
Unfortunately, I don't have an Eee PC (it's not so low priced after all).  I wonder if its keyboard is really usable for long coding sessions, or is it too small?
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: rbistolfi on January 26, 2008, 02:30:03 pm
Of course, the idea of a low cost portable computer is appealing. As kidd pointed, is not as cheap as announced once.
Is not for coders, you will hate the keyboard, kidd ;)
I could love to have one, but not for long coding sessions, we could enjoy it only as a portable device, multimedia stuff, internet and such.
Probably vl will not be installable right there, I suspect you have to build a ROM image or something, I am just thinking at loud, but I guess the OS is not installed in the flash storage device, which is intended for personal data. The device must have a ROM for the OS as the pda style.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on January 26, 2008, 02:44:43 pm
Of course, the idea of a low cost portable computer is appealing. As kidd pointed, is not as cheap as announced once.
Is not for coders, you will hate the keyboard, kidd ;)
I could love to have one, but not for long coding sessions, we could enjoy it only as a portable device, multimedia stuff, internet and such.
Probably vl will not be installable right there, I suspect you have to build a ROM image or something, I am just thinking at loud, but I guess the OS is not installed in the flash storage device, which is intended for personal data. The device must have a ROM for the OS as the pda style.

I'm not sure you're correct about the OS being in ROM.  A lot of distros (PCLinuxOS, ZenWalk, etc...) are building Eee PC versions.  I believe there are some funky driver issues, though.  It is cheap when compared to a Toshiba Libretto U205, for example.

The keyboard issue:  I have a Toshiba Libretto SS1010 which is a little smaller than the Eee PC and has a Kanji/English keyboard to boot.  I'm used to it and I don't mind it but I cannot touch type on it very well.  I do use it for a lot of things still but for a long coding or writing stint I often attach an external keyboard.  I love the size and the weight of thing and an Eee would be quite the upgrade provided I can use whatever distro I want.

I need to do some reading on the various Eee wikis and such... I just hoped someone here had played with one and even Vectorized one :)  VL-Light sounds like an excellent candidate OS.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: lagagnon on January 26, 2008, 02:53:28 pm
Have you gotten Vector Linux running on it? 
No but there is a really good Slackware thread at the Eee user forums:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=2640
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/slackware

those might be a good start...
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on January 26, 2008, 03:58:27 pm
Have you gotten Vector Linux running on it? 
No but there is a really good Slackware thread at the Eee user forums:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=2640
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/slackware

those might be a good start...

Yes, indeed.  If I can get the vinstall-iso script to run from a bootable usb stick it shouldn't be too hard to install and configure VL.  Very cool.

The thing I still haven't heard are impressions of anyone who actually bought one of these on here...  The Eee PC forum is a little, well.... biased.

F
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: rbistolfi on January 26, 2008, 04:15:22 pm
Oh those are great news. I have a pda and was pretty hard to install Linux on it. Surely the vl scripts will work. And there is the new install script for flash drives option too.
Ohh, dmiller wrote a step by step install instruction, he booted from a pendrive.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 07, 2008, 01:03:37 am
Not usually one to practice thread necromancy (the real deal we shall not discuss :D) but, having read my usual periodical, and seen its seal of approval, I plan to count myself among the owners of an Asus Eee sometime soon.

I mean, for crying out loud, a PC GAMING mag thought it was awesome.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: hata_ph on February 07, 2008, 05:32:36 am
just saw this machine in 1 of my local computer shop in Malaysia.....
it really look very nice..small and compact......
but the LCD screen do look really small when you look at it.....haha
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: The Headacher on February 07, 2008, 07:39:55 am
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small and compact......
I like my old Compaq Armada m300, but it's too small for comfort. I can't imagine using something even smaller every day. Small isn't all that great IMO.

Also, the disk space is smaller than I have in even my oldest laptop (a 333 MHz beast), and the resolution is lower too. IMO a second hand laptop is much more value for the same amount of money.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: exeterdad on February 07, 2008, 10:41:02 am
Amen to that The Headacher :)
I'm certain I'm much happier with my newly aquired "second hand" laptop then the Eee.  Not saying the Eee doesn't seem cool, just not practical. 
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: rbistolfi on February 07, 2008, 01:29:35 pm
I think for a hard / serious / professional user the Eee is just a nice toy. I really wouldn't  like to carry one of those big laptops that are very common today, so  the Eee looks cool as an internet / multimedia portable device. Also if you work with networks and you have to run scripts, audit, and such, a small portable device is nice. I don't see it as an equivalent of a Laptop, but as a replacement for handhelds, perhaps ipod, sub-notebooks or a portable multimedia station. But doing something like writing code, image editing or any more-than-two-hours thing, no no.
My friend John gave me an Omnibook 900, it is very light and small, I just love it. It is almost the half of the size of my sister's new Aspire. The keyboard is very nice and smooth also, so I can work with it without problems.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 07, 2008, 02:47:00 pm
Yes, those are my thoughts - it will not replace any laptop I have (or will get) but instead will be more like an oversized PDA.  Which I'm fine with.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: hata_ph on February 07, 2008, 04:59:57 pm
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I really wouldn't  like to carry one of those big laptops that are very common today, so  the Eee looks cool as an internet / multimedia portable device. Also if you work with networks and you have to run scripts, audit, and such, a small portable device is nice.

It sure look cool when showing off among the friends or in front off the crowd..... :)
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on February 07, 2008, 08:20:33 pm
I've had several iterations of the Toshiba Libretto which are similar in size or slight smaller than an Asus Eee PC.   I still have two Libretto SS1010s, P233/266, 64/96MB of RAM, 2.1GB HDD.  They're still useful.  The Eee seems like a great replacement to me.  I think that, provided you have good eyesight you'd be amazed at what you can do with units this small despite the itty bitty screen and keyboard.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 07, 2008, 10:26:52 pm
I like my old Compaq Armada m300, but it's too small for comfort. I can't imagine using something even smaller every day. Small isn't all that great IMO.

Also, the disk space is smaller than I have in even my oldest laptop (a 333 MHz beast), and the resolution is lower too. IMO a second hand laptop is much more value for the same amount of money.

I don't think the eee is a laptop replacement. It's more for having something small and light when you're traveling, taking notes, or need to carry it around. As you say, the disk space is small, but it's large enough to hold the OS and applications provided, which are really all it's intended to run. It will take a flash drive and 8 gig flash drives are now common and inexpensive, and it has a USB port so you could attach an external hard drive, too.

I don't think the small keyboard would be satisfactory for a lot of typing, but it's not really intended for that. If it were your primary computer you could attach a USB keyboard and mouse, but then it's kind of weird to have such a small computer as your main computer. But the price is right, so I could see someone deciding that a light machine for traveling was more important and could be used as a main machine at home with the addition of a USB keyboard and mouse. I think you might be able to hook up an external monitor, too, but I'd have to check that. I mean, if you used the computer away from the office or home 90% of the time, ultralight weight becomes very important. There are plenty of ultralight notebook computers out there, but for much more than $400 US. The new MacBook Air starts at $1800 US, I think, and other ultralights are similarly expensive.

I'd like to see the screen. With monitors, I like them big.<g> But surprisingly, I find the small screen on my Sony Clie to be quite satisfactory for reading large amounts of text, much to my surprise. I've loaded PDF magazines into it using Adobe Reader for Palm and even those that weren't formatted for reading on a PDA are easy to read.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: The Headacher on February 08, 2008, 12:01:54 am
Quote from: BlueMage
it will not replace any laptop I have (or will get) but instead will be more like an oversized PDA.
Quote from: rbistolfi
I don't see it as an equivalent of a Laptop, but as a replacement for handhelds, perhaps ipod, sub-notebooks or a portable multimedia station.
Quote from: GrannyGeek
I don't think the eee is a laptop replacement. It's more for having something small and light when you're traveling, taking notes, or need to carry it around.

For something that's not supposed to be used as a laptop it sure looks a lot like one... I never use any of the above mentioned devices, except subnotebooks, but I hardly ever touch those old m300's. My current laptop can do everything those devices can do, there's no need for them (well, except for the mp3 player). Perhaps that's why I don't see the use for the eee. Still, I'd prefer a second hand subnotebook to the eee. My previous trouble with Asus laptops have convinced me never to buy their hardware again.

From what I read here, it seems like it's primarily meant to be used to show off to your friends and as a toy. I don't think it looks all that hot, it just looks like a crappy version of a macbook. My philosophy about buying the eee in addition to a laptop is "Don't get a toy to do a laptops job".

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy one of these eee things, but if I were looking for something light I'd still look for a second hand laptop or subnotebook first.

With that said, I wish anyone who buys one the best of luck with it. If my experiences with Asus are any indication, you're gonna need it.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: rbistolfi on February 08, 2008, 03:31:32 am
I could agree, The Headacher. But I see an scenario where something like the Eee is useful, and is when you actually have to carry the laptop the hole day. But that is my personal preference, I really don't like to carry many things  ::).But as you say, for many needs a second hand sub-notebook will be enough. I know a guy who offer networking services for enterprises, and he has an old Texas Instrument with BSD, he just connect to the client's network and run his scripts. I have a Zaurus (http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html) with a 200mhz cpu and 64mb of ram suitable for the same thing. Sadly the CF network card is broken :(.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 08, 2008, 04:48:05 am
Oh, I still intend to replace my current laptop (thanks all for helping me getting her up and running with Vector by the way folks) and intend to do so sometime relatively soon, but it will be with a similarly sized creature.  Another 15.4" incher I imagine.  Now, if only I could find a bloody standard aspect-ratio laptop that WASN'T a Dell, I'd be set.  But no, even my beloved Acer has thrown standard aspect ratio to the winds of widescreen.

Regardless, it will be nice to get some decent performance that lasts for more than just 3 hours.  Still, I will never get the same value for money that my Acer had - a 5200AUD laptop for 3000AUD?  Bloody steal.  And for something that's lasted me over three years ... yeah, I'd say I got my money's worth, and then some.  Uni would've been a lot harder were it not for that laptop.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: easuter on February 08, 2008, 08:09:47 am
I'd rather get a second hand Libretto or one of those really cool Vaio Picturebooks than an EEE PC.

Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: lighans on February 08, 2008, 11:15:17 am
From what I read here, it seems like it's primarily meant to be used to show off to your friends and as a toy. I don't think it looks all that hot, it just looks like a crappy version of a macbook. My philosophy about buying the eee in addition to a laptop is "Don't get a toy to do a laptops job".
Well, there is a consideration for me to buy one (if I had the money to buy a second laptop). I think the flash is more shockproof than a harddisk. I could take it into my bike to my work. I wouldn't do that with my normal laptop (acer aspire).
(into my bike?, yes: http://kali.fali.nl  :)
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: sullysat on February 13, 2008, 11:00:27 am
The thing I still haven't heard are impressions of anyone who actually bought one of these on here...  The Eee PC forum is a little, well.... biased.


I bought my eeepc in December primarily as a replacement notebook for traveling and for use when I meet with clients outside of the office.  So far, I have been very impressed with the machine and its capabilities.  It offers Open Office, Firefox, and decent applications for everything that I would normally do on the road.

I've written a few documents and actually had to produce to Powerpoint presentations on it and that all worked without difficulty, but the smaller keyboard DOES take some getting used to.  For what I use it for, its biggest asset is that it has the best wireless connection of ANY device I've ever used.

As a relative newcomer to Linux, I was excited about the eeepc because it is designed to run well with Linux and I'm all for not using MS if I can help it.  The only issues with the operating system, for me, are that its locked down pretty good unless you tweak it to get to full desktop, which I've done, and I'd like to add a couple of little apps that would be useful for me.

After spending months playing with every distro I could get my hands on, Vector is in the top three for me and the only one I'll use when I build a new system for someone else now.  I'd love to see it optimized to run well on the eepc.  Until then, I'll probably just stick with the Xandros version the eeepc comes with.

Sully
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on February 13, 2008, 12:36:43 pm
I'd rather get a second hand Libretto or one of those really cool Vaio Picturebooks than an EEE PC.

Interesting, since I mainly want the Eee as a replacement for my old Libretto.  The keyboard on my Libretto SS1010 is actually smaller than that on the Eee.  I like the idea of no moving parts to fail for one thing.  I like the faster processor speed than any Libretto save the U105, which is much more expensive.  I definitely like the price.

Sully:  Thanks for the report.  That's the kind of first hand experience I was looking for.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: Kocil on February 13, 2008, 09:51:30 pm
I bought one too, last week. My impression ...
For me:
THIS IS THE FISRT COMPUTER that
COMES WITH A WONDERFULL LINUX INSTALLED,
READY TO USE :D

Without any hacking, I got :
- Nice user interface
- Relativelly complete applications
- Multimedia is ON
- 3D Video is enabled already
- Network & Wireless works flawlessly, and a nice configurator
 
So far, I have found only one bug.
The MMC memory and flash disk were mounted with no write permission for users.
Not sure though, maybe this is a feature for virus prevention.

Oh yeah, did I mention there are an Anti Virus Utility too ?

I really wish more and more PCs will come with Linux inside too.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 14, 2008, 01:48:57 pm
Pretty sure it is a feature.  Actually, by default root doesn't get write permissions either - you have to remount it as a read-write filesystem.

Other than that, I'm loving my Eee :D  Enabled a few other repos, got a few debian packages, plus I've got Puppeee on a 2GB SD card, so I'm set with my little sublaptop :D

Oh, and I installed ZSNES so I can play all my perfectly legit backups of games for which I still own the cartridges.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: blurymind on February 25, 2008, 01:35:38 pm
i want one of those badly, but it doesnt have a cd-rom or enough memory.
A big flash memory usb is a must for this thing.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 25, 2008, 02:56:28 pm
You'd be surprised actually - 4GB is plenty so far.  However, I'm seriously contemplating putting Vector Light on it instead of Xandros.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on February 28, 2008, 04:40:41 pm
You'd be surprised actually - 4GB is plenty so far.  However, I'm seriously contemplating putting Vector Light on it instead of Xandros.

What made you choose the 4GB model instead of the 8GB model?  Was the price difference too large.  With the 8GB you could easily install VL Standard instead of Light if you wanted. 
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 28, 2008, 06:05:49 pm
Actually, I think I got the 4GB because ... they didn't have any other models available at Myers :(  But it's not an issue - I enjoy tweaking and optimising for challenging systems - it's why I still use the optical-drive-less slim-client machine I got from work - it's a challenge to get just about ANYTHING working on it correctly :)

Besides, VL-Light lets you basically build it from the ground up, no?  You get the core basics, everything else you put in yourself, right?  I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: tomh38 on February 29, 2008, 09:38:25 am
Apparently Sony is worried about the effect of the low cost Eee PC might have on their profits.

Story here:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9879798-7.html (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9879798-7.html)

Tom
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: caitlyn on February 29, 2008, 11:08:43 am
Besides, VL-Light lets you basically build it from the ground up, no?  You get the core basics, everything else you put in yourself, right?  I'm fine with that.

No.  VL-Light is optimized for speed and uses lightweight apps, but a full install is around 1.9 GB.  That isn't small.  You may want to take a look at VL-Mini (currently at alpha 1.1), the pocket version of VL, which is about 1.1GB and is much closer to what you describe.

http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/iso-test/VL5.9-Mini-A1.1.iso (http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/iso-test/VL5.9-Mini-A1.1.iso)
Title: Re: Any ASUS Eee PC owners out there?
Post by: BlueMage on February 29, 2008, 02:00:14 pm
Haha, my bad then.  Yes, I think I will take a look at this VL Mini then.