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Title: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 01, 2008, 07:47:38 pm
I think when I crossed 100 posts did my thing change to 'vectorite' from 'Member'.

Yesterday my brother came with a Solaris CD and was thinking to make this machine a dual boot one. You know what I asked? "How much MB or RAM would that require to show itself on the monitor?", he was not sure about that, and I said, "'htop' shows that it eats 124MB to show itself on the monitor". He was very pleased indeed and threw away that Solaris CD.

Even he started exploring Linux distros and suggested Ubuntu, but it was eating 400MB atleast. He seems to be convinced of having VL at home :D

VL is not living up to expectations, but is exceeding :P, excellent job buddies. My day starts (and ends) with VL.

Sivatheja.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 02, 2008, 05:05:15 am
sivatheja:

Fantastic, great story.  There's nothing like seeing the numbers right there in your face.  I have to say that I am a bit surprised that Ubuntu uses 400 MB, but not completely surprised.  I had recent Ubuntu on a spare (testing) partition, and I found it to be very slow on my machine.

Thanks for telling the story.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: kc1di on March 02, 2008, 05:20:45 am
Congrates on the 100 posts and the promotion of VL.  it's a great Distro that goes far to often unheralded.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 02, 2008, 05:23:47 am
Tom:
You know where I found that 400MB thing which has convinced everyone so much at home? The same 'brain storm Ubuntu' which you've posted in here. One fellow there was saying that Ubuntu uses only 400MB while he has 2GB of RAM, and wanted Ubuntu to preload apps so that it can be faster. It actually gave out two answers to me, first is Ubuntu uses 400MB, and next is inspite of 400MB it is slow :D

kc1di
Yes, I'm feeling it.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 02, 2008, 06:36:46 am
I feel sick to my stomach ... only 400 just to run the OS and desktop, without any applications, and it's slow, too!?!  That's just wrong.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 02, 2008, 06:57:58 am
sivatheja:

I feel a little better now, after I found the suggestion on ubuntu brainstorm.  The suggestion has 262 negative votes, and most of the comments indicate that configuring a system to use more RAM rather than less is a bad idea.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 02, 2008, 07:10:25 am
I've been searching that brainstorm forum for 20 min, and even my browser history for the link that I've seen in the morning; but  am not getting it :(
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 03, 2008, 07:04:10 am
sivatheja:

I'm sorry I didn't respond to your post earlier; I just saw it this morning.

This is the idea I found on Ubuntu Brainstorm:  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/59/ (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/59/)

I'm pretty sure it's the same one you saw, but not absolutely sure.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 03, 2008, 07:41:12 am
Whow! Speechless :o
How could  you mange to get that post ;D
I could not! (even when I tried with my browser history ???)

I think the prob is that that guy wrote 400Mo and I googled for 400 MB (Google gives 'near' matches also, but I think Google must not have refreshed his snapshot of that site then :-\ )
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 03, 2008, 08:12:38 am
sivatheja:

Don't be too impressed by my abilities ;); I just happened to remember that the guy was asking for Ubuntu to preload software, and so I went to the Ubuntu Brainstorm page and did a search on the site for "preload."  It was the 8th post listed in the search.

Yeah, that thing where he listed RAM usage in megaoctets instead of megabytes was strange.  I knew the term, but I don't think I've ever seen it used in that context.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 03, 2008, 08:39:52 am
FYI:

Little bit of Googling says that Mo and MB are the same :D
1 byte  = 8 bits = one Octet.

http://oblivionrealm.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=Learn&action=display&thread=1150723387

megabyte (also megaoctet) - 1024 kilobytes or 1,048,576 bytes
gigabyte (also gigaoctet) - 1024 megabytes, 1,048,576 kilobytes or
1,073,741,824 bytes
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 03, 2008, 09:11:25 am
sivatheja:

I looked at that link you posted and as soon as I saw "   x86-assembly" I knew that if I read any more it would short-circuit my brain.  :D

Thanks for the information.  I suspected that megaoctet=megabyte, but didn't know for sure.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: The Headacher on March 03, 2008, 01:51:36 pm
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megabyte (also megaoctet) - 1024 kilobytes or 1,048,576 bytes
gigabyte (also gigaoctet) - 1024 megabytes, 1,048,576 kilobytes or
1,073,741,824 bytes
Actually, according to the SI system Mega means 106. However, in the computer world the term Megabyte can mean pretty much anything between 106 (1,000,000) and 2201,048,576 , which explains why a drive advertised as 80 GB (80 * 109 Bytes) only shows up as 80,000,000,000 / 230=74,5 GB in some programs (and, IMO the drive manufacturers are right, even if this means you'll get a smaller drive than you think).

Which is why mebibytes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte) are sometimes used to describe 2 20 Bytes.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 03, 2008, 02:06:28 pm
I was told there would be no math on this exam.
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 05, 2008, 06:20:41 am
Talking about high RAM usage reminded me of a column about the upcoming release of Ubuntu 9.0:  Hungry Hippo.

Here's a link to the press release (http://www.boardgameratings.com/game/76/).
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 09, 2008, 09:33:32 am
I'm not understanding what this Hungry Hippo is, it should be some game kind of thing, but...
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 09, 2008, 10:21:58 am
sivatheja:

I'm sorry for posting something obscure to non-US cultures.  "Hungry Hungry Hippos" is a children's game (for ages 3-6).  I think it was at least at one time available in the UK under the simpler name "Hungry Hippos."

For more information about the game, here's a link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Hungry_Hippos.  I'm fairly certain I had this game when I was very young.

I made this joke because Ubuntu releases are named after animals, with an adjective attached, such as:  Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, and so on.

I thought this might be funny because, for a Linux distribution, Ubuntu seems "hungry" for system resources.  As you know, a hippopotamus is an animal found in sub-Saharan Africa.

Here's a photo of some: 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Hippo_pod_edit.jpg/250px-Hippo_pod_edit.jpg)

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: kidd on March 09, 2008, 10:39:51 am
I had that game too (in Spain its name was 'tragabolas').  I remember me playing for hours :)

It'd be great if ubuntu crew name next version hungry hippo, but I don't think they will find it so funny.

tomh38++;
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: kc1di on March 09, 2008, 11:06:24 am
Interesting  had never heard of hungery Hippo.. thanks for the enlightenment :)
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 09, 2008, 01:33:17 pm
Here's another idea I had for Ubuntu:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4014/ (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4014/)

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 09, 2008, 03:45:19 pm
Here's another idea I had for Ubuntu:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4014/ (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4014/)

Tom

It would still have a minimum RAM requirement of 512 MB, no go
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 09, 2008, 06:01:58 pm
Hanu/EFG,

I can't tell if you got the joke and are going along with me or not ... you tricky bastidge!

The people at Ubuntu Brainstorm are definitely not happy with my ideas:  the one idea I suggested seriously has a current score of -72.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 09, 2008, 06:03:53 pm
Ubuntu is so bloated that even a console-only variant would eat up all RAM
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 10, 2008, 09:32:53 am
sivatheja:

I'm sorry for posting something obscure to non-US cultures.  "Hungry Hungry Hippos" is a children's game (for ages 3-6).  I think it was at least at one time available in the UK under the simpler name "Hungry Hippos."

For more information about the game, here's a link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Hungry_Hippos.  I'm fairly certain I had this game when I was very young.

I made this joke because Ubuntu releases are named after animals, with an adjective attached, such as:  Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, and so on.

I thought this might be funny because, for a Linux distribution, Ubuntu seems "hungry" for system resources.  As you know, a hippopotamus is an animal found in sub-Saharan Africa.

Here's a photo of some: 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Hippo_pod_edit.jpg/250px-Hippo_pod_edit.jpg)

Tom

:D I know what a Hippo is :) but could not sense the context then, now it makes sense:)
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 10, 2008, 09:46:12 am
sivatheja:

I was almost absolutely certain (99.999999999999% certain  :D) that you knew what a hippo is, but then I wasn't absolutely certain that they were only found in Africa, so I looked up the article in Wikipedia.  Then I saw the photo of the hippos, and I really liked it, so I posted it.  There's a pretty good zoo near where I live, but even there I've only ever seen one hippo at any given time.  Anyway, I'm sorry if I insulted you (if I did, it wasn't intentional).

Also, I've been waiting for a very long time to use my Ubuntu: Hungry Hippo joke.  I know it's not very funny, but for some reason when ever I see some reference to Ubuntu I think of it.

Thanks,
Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: The Headacher on March 10, 2008, 11:38:03 am
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Also, I've been waiting for a very long time to use my Ubuntu: Hungry Hippo joke.  I know it's not very funny, but for some reason when ever I see some reference to Ubuntu I think of it.
Are you kidding (again)? It was great, and I walked right into it!
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 10, 2008, 12:15:02 pm
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Are you kidding (again)? It was great, and I walked right into it!

The Headacher
:  Actually, I was serious; I didn't think other people would find it that funny.  I'm glad you found it amusing.

Apparently some of the Ubuntu folks didn't like it, though, judging by the -56 score it has right now.  To be fair, I don't know that a lot of other people didn't give it positive votes, but ending up with a net negative.  I also don't know that some of the down votes weren't just because people thought it was silly and wanted the serious ideas up on top.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Sivatheja on March 10, 2008, 07:36:32 pm
sivatheja:
Anyway, I'm sorry if I insulted you (if I did, it wasn't intentional).
Don't think so much buddy :P I sensed nothing negative in  your posts (till now in this forum). You are like a humble poster :D Nice work on those Hippos though!  :D
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Freston on March 11, 2008, 07:43:29 pm
I really love that Hungry Hippo joke Tom! I know of at least three threads where I could use it, but that would be like stealing ;) May I?? I'll give credit to you :nice smile:

I also loved the math joke, but that one I am gonna steal whether you like it or not. And there is not a thing you can do about it. But we all know it was Tom's, and not mine. "I was told there would be no math in this exam" Classic! it's gonna be in my share. In exactly the right context that one is dynamite!
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: tomh38 on March 12, 2008, 03:15:13 am
Freston:  Of course you can use the Hungry Hippo joke.  You can even attribute it to me if you want, or not, it doesn't really matter.  However, if the Ubuntu people show up and set fire to my house, it's on your head.  :D

I think I first saw the math thing on Saturday Night Live, and it had to be around 1975 or so.  It was actor Chevy Chase as (then-) US President Gerald Ford (now deceased - Ford, not Chase).  It was something about the president in the Oval Office sitting at his desk saying, "I was told there would be no math."  Also there was the line, "I was told there would be no math on this exam," in the mid-1990s movie Reality Bites.

Tom
Title: Re: Great experience.
Post by: Freston on March 15, 2008, 04:53:27 am
Darn, I can't bring myself to do it. That board is just to friendly to bestow a troll about how (K)ubuntu equals Vista in resource hunger upon them. Thanks for the good laugh anyway  :D