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Title: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: civint on March 03, 2008, 07:35:09 am
Hey guys, I just tried out a live version suse with kde4.0, and I can honestly say, I'm not really that impressed. The numbers that I've read about it make it sound pretty good (uses less ram now than gnome 2.22), but it looks like a bit of a copycat DE, attempting to mirror Aero (especially in the massive menubar at the bottom of the screen).

I think I'll stick to xfce for now...
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: tomh38 on March 03, 2008, 08:18:38 am
civint

I'm not that impressed with KDE 4.0 either, and yes, for now it seems to be an attempt to copy Aero.

On the other hand, there should be a lot of configuration options added in the upcoming releases, at least according to what I've read about what the KDE team has planned.

I also use XFCE, though I like to have KDE installed on my system since it has some applications that I regularly use.

I suppose we'll see what happens with KDE 4 in the upcoming months.

Tom
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: M0E-lnx on March 03, 2008, 08:29:40 am
It's been a long time since I tried it (while it was still in beta stage) but I have to say I'm very dissapointed. Although, I made the switch from KDE to Xfce a long time ago, I always thought of KDE as the row model for most other WM or DE's

Version 4 is just not right...
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: mr_volvo on March 04, 2008, 02:58:01 am
(warning the following post will result in subjective views....)

May I ask why you both prefer xfce? Is it just the speed?  Krusader and KOrganizer probably keep me using kde (both for work :( ) I guess Orage would work for the organiser... Any tips on the gui file manager? Is thunar my only real option?

Also, any nice theme recommendations?
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: kc1di on March 04, 2008, 03:17:16 am
(warning the following post will result in subjective views....)

May I ask why you both prefer xfce? Is it just the speed?  Krusader and KOrganizer probably keep me using kde (both for work :( ) I guess Orage would work for the organiser... Any tips on the gui file manager? Is thunar my only real option?

Also, any nice theme recommendations?

Though I'm not an XFCE user that often.. when I do use it i use ROX for the file manager , it's very light weight on resources and fast..  Just my opinion-- Thunar works great also. 

I prefer Fluxbox over xfce if I want a lightweight desktop.

As for KDE 4 it just don't run on most of my older hardware and it's not ready for primetime on my other machines..

Cheers.

Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: M0E-lnx on March 04, 2008, 04:59:41 am
(warning the following post will result in subjective views....)

May I ask why you both prefer xfce? Is it just the speed?  Krusader and KOrganizer probably keep me using kde (both for work :( ) I guess Orage would work for the organiser... Any tips on the gui file manager? Is thunar my only real option?

Also, any nice theme recommendations?

You can use any file manager you wish... thunar is just what's shipped w/ xfce. I altenate between several of them (thunar, xfe, pcmanfe to name a few).
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: tomh38 on March 04, 2008, 05:02:46 am
mr_volvo:

I have to admit that I'm not really sure why I prefer Xfce.  Actually, when I read that Vector Linux was changing from IceWM to Xfce for the default desktop in VL 5.8 Standard, I felt sort of disappointed.  I thought it was going to be slower than IceWM.  As it turned out, on the hardware I was using at the time Xfce was just as fast as IceWM had been on VL 5.1 (plus, the VL team had replaced the Xfce rat with the VL logo ... I don't like rats  :D).

Anyway, as far as file managers go, I like Thunar.  Xfe is in the repos I think.  Also, you can use any file manager that's installed on your system (sometimes I fire up Konqueror since it has some functionality which Thunar doesn't).

I wish I could be of more help.

Tom 

Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: wcs on March 04, 2008, 05:20:14 am
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I guess Orage would work for the organiser... Any tips on the gui file manager? Is thunar my only real option?

I'm using sunbird for the organiser, and I think it's quite good. You can find it in the repos.

As for thunar, I was initially disappointed, after having used Rox with fluxbox. But once I started discovering the options and configuring some custom actions, I think it is very good.
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 04, 2008, 08:37:41 pm
How come nobody suggested Midnight Commander as a file manager? It's my favorite by far.

You can use any file manager you want as long as its dependencies are installed. I have enough of KDE installed to use Konqueror, but I've never liked it. Thunar is the XFce default and I don't like it much, either. Of graphical file managers, I like xfe as well as anything.

Orage is a calendar. I wouldn't call it an organizer. I find it completely adequate as a calendar and I use jpilot with my Sony Clie PDA, and jpilot is all the organizer I need. It's got a calendar, address book, To-Do list, and memo pad. I'm pretty sure jpilot could serve as an organizer even if you don't have a Palm OS device to sync it with.

I don't like Fluxbox at all. I used IceWM for years while XFce was not very well developed. But XFce has become really good. Among the reasons I don't like Fluxbox and IceWM is that they are hard to configure. I don't like those text files. XFce is much easier to configure and customize.

All my computers have enough horsepower that I don't need to worry about how much RAM, etc., my desktop takes.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: Dweeberkitty on March 04, 2008, 08:50:51 pm
Those poll choices don't seem adequate...someone had a definite opinion  ;)

You guys have to remember that KDE 4 is not the progression of KDE 3 to the next level but is KDE 4 version 1.0. It has a lot of rough edges but is the start of something new. We cannot really compare KDE 4 to an existing DE because it is not yet fully formed. There is a whole new set of exciting and innovative things under the hood. Later down the road, the interface, the bugs and the problems will be smoothed out. This is how it was with KDE 2 and 3, and a lot of people complained then because the transition was hard and still complain now. I'd just wait a while until it matures a bit before judging it.
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: bigpaws on March 05, 2008, 06:33:33 am
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How come nobody suggested Midnight Commander as a file manager?

It maybe because it is ncurses base and designed to be incorporated into
to a WDM or DE. I agree it that the power of MC is close to if not as powerful
as Konqueror. The rest pale in comparison to either imho.

The poll options are too silly to entertain.

I had almost written. I deleted it since the op apparently does not really follow
the development side, of MS, Linux, or MAC. Therefore the comments would
have been wasted.

Bigpaws

Bigpaws
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: mr_volvo on March 06, 2008, 12:51:36 am
tomh posted this a few weeks back:
http://www.linuxtechdaily.com/2008/02/kde-4-developers-an-interview-with-sebastian-kugler/

I think its a pretty good run down of where the development is at tht moment.

And thanks for the xfce tips, im trying it at the moment but gosh its ugly.
Title: Re: KDE4.0--opinions of
Post by: Will on April 21, 2008, 12:02:49 pm
So, what's new in regards to kde4 and vector?