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General Announcements => Web Site News => Topic started by: vector on March 11, 2008, 02:38:59 am

Title: New test website
Post by: vector on March 11, 2008, 02:38:59 am
Well, after the hacking that occurred last friday we have a new site up, There is not much there yet as far as content but would like some opinions and observations concerning new site before I spend more time on it. Please be honest and fair. Reconstructing a website is a very time consuming process especially from scratch. Anyone willng to contribute content please pm me............thanks vec
http://vectorlinux.com/website2
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 11, 2008, 03:33:25 am
What's there look realy nice Vector. 
Though did try my user name and password and that did not work as yet.

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: M0E-lnx on March 11, 2008, 04:37:17 am
I hope the address changes back to vectorlinux.com though...
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Pete on March 11, 2008, 04:43:45 am
:D Looking good.  Change the default e-mail when a user signs up :D  Other than that w00t ^_*

-Pete
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: tomh38 on March 11, 2008, 07:45:05 am
I realize changes are going to be made, but I have to say that I like what I see.  The color (or colour, depending) scheme is very nice.

Tom
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 11, 2008, 07:57:33 am
Those colors present a pleasing combination, but the printed content is a bit short on readability. The black print against the darker gray-blue background does not invite a visitor to read. On the other hand, this is much better than gray print on a black background that I've seen in other places. I would say this, that the legibility factor is such that a reader has to be motivated to read the content. I notice that the lighter blue grades to a purple, and I like to stay away from purple, keep blue. We don't have to emulate ZW, but ZW has nice colors, good legibility.

Suggestion: Change black print (text) on gray-blue background to white, see how that looks.

EDIT: Purple does work well in that color scheme.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: M-ake on March 11, 2008, 03:31:27 pm
As the colors are currently present in the website preview I think they are too dark. Whereas I think the classic blue and different shades of light grey/white would make a good combination. Totally white hurts eyes during nights, so I would prefer not to use fully white color.

Me and rbistolfi were talkin in the irc channel and came up with these:

The concept I made to present the colors I mean:
(http://xs225.xs.to/xs225/08112/concept_art417.jpg.xs.jpg) (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs225&d=08112&f=concept_art417.jpg)
Or this site
http://caleuautopartes.com.ar/temp/vectorlinux/pkg_search/search/search.php
Both of those are IMO good pointers for the direction the web devs should take. Pleasing yet calmful combination, not unique but...you get the idea.
I am no coder myself but rbistolfi suggested we should take a ready theme somewhere and mod it. Which I think, would save alot of time.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 11, 2008, 04:50:33 pm
Think of it this way: When I stop at a traffic light, I am annoyed by the car in front if it happens to have the turn-signal blinking. The lights and crystals for a turn-signal are so bright these days, it's hard to look directly at the signal from right behind the vehicle, and I actually shield my eyes with my hand. But this intensity is for a purpose, that is, to get the attention of the driver behind who may not be totally awake. Once you have read the text of the VL front page, do you think you will be rereading it often? Why not have a color scheme that catches the attention? In any case, I would like to at least see the text in white, just to see what it looks like, before we move on.

Wolvix site is an example of light print on a dark background.
http://www.wolvix.org/

EDIT: That blue and gray page isn't too shabby. Maybe improve the font for better effect.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs225&d=08112&f=concept_art417.jpg
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 11, 2008, 09:01:05 pm
Looks good to me, with white text. I don't notice any eye strain, as the gray blue is easy to look at. Actually the gray of my browser is more of a strain than the white text. The VL logo doesn't seem out of place with white text, as it did with black text. The white text goes well with the logo, as if the globe is reflecting the white text in a faint halo. Titles in black look good too, legible--I guess it's the contrast and the ambient illumination of white text. I can read the white text 4 feet away from my monitor.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 12, 2008, 02:27:11 am
Like how it's looking here.. the Menu Items and Web Links on the left may be better with a lighter color though.. perhaps a ligther blue  so they will show up a little better. Good work.

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 12, 2008, 05:25:36 am
The motto "When Choice Matters" represents a myopic view of VL's place among Linux distros. It draws a comparison to a couple other distros, our old nemesis Zenwalk and maybe Absolute. This distinction of "choice" simply doesn't apply to Wolvix, NimbleX, GoblinX, and many of the newer distros. The motto "Discover the Difference" issues a broader invitation and challenge to try VL. It invites a comparison to any and all distros, not just the SW-derivative frontrunner ZW.

Choice is an important criterion in the evaluation of a distro. But do we really want to hang our hat on this one superlative of VL? What about speed, performance, and stability? What about support community?

Then there is the grammatical sense. When exactly does choice matter? I'm guessing it matters all the time, so this qualifier is perhaps rhetorical. "Discover the Difference" is in the imperative mode, and unambiguously urges action.

I'm in favor of reinstating "Discover the Difference" as the VL motto, with no dots. (It's a complete sentence, not just a fragment, so it doesn't need dots.)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Pete on March 12, 2008, 06:18:53 am
What about something that will make users want to use there old computers erm what I mean is I just got an old computer which was running 98 now it runs VL:Light really fast ^_^

So maybe a moto that says something like "Remember your old computer? .. Vector Linux does"

Glad to see the site is up and running, I like it.  But what happened to the login system?

HTH
-Pete
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 12, 2008, 08:56:53 am
If the links remain dark blue, then a mouse-over should cause the link to turn a brighter (lighter), even luminous blue. Right now, a mouse-over or click causes the link to turn black.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 12, 2008, 08:11:12 pm
I neglected to mention that I actually like the dark blue links. Is the mouse-over color now yellow for all links?

EDIT: Ya, that will work.

Please consider putting 'Speed, performance, stability' in bold (white).

discover the difference
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 13, 2008, 06:02:43 am
Wow, nice home page.

typo: spelling of lightning, no 'e'
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: lighans on March 13, 2008, 06:20:12 am
Well, after all the cheers...... I had to be honest you said :)

Peronally (and it is the question if there are others who agree) it has been confusing to see a combination of wiki, cms and forum. As the forum is not a part which can easily be ported, I would consider of combining the wiki and the CMS.
Why?
- Now you have to maintain three systems, that could be two.
- combining CMS and wiki means that the content is merged a bit.
- I don't know about dokuwiki, but there are wiki-systems (like pmwiki, or phpwiki) which combine wiki and blog and administration-fucntions with passwords for certain regions.
- It makes the whole look coherent. One theme, one way of working, etc.
- My experience is that a wiki-system is a quicker way of making a site grow. Changing things is faster. And you don't have to be admin all the time. A wiki is more content centered. And I think that is more in the way vectorlinux is thinking.
- In your menu there will be direct acces to HOWTO's (instead of first going to wiki and than Howto)

The theme is a bit dark for people with bad eyes or colourblindness (if I can remember well, dark background with dark text is horrible for these people).

my two cents. I hope it didn't disappoint you.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: diamondsandrain on March 13, 2008, 07:04:04 am
I know this isn't going to make some people happy, but it has to be said. I couldn't believe that a lot of people were saying they liked this. It looks like I was working on a mainframe and I chose the completely wrong colour scheme that makes my eyes want to scream. Honestly, it looks ugly and amateurish. I recommend a change in colour scheme. The black and purple just does not work well together and it is way too dark. The words are barely readable. Granted I have a bit of a glare problem with my screen set up, but I don't think it would be much better without that.

I'm not trying to be cruel. Just honest. I would hate for this to be the first impression people get of Vector when they browse the web.

Daniel
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: diamondsandrain on March 13, 2008, 07:08:54 am
Ok, I just went back to a refreshed version of the page and it is looking better. I think I said amateurish because of the VectorLinux.com written out in plain white text in the upper left hand corner. It looked like one of those flaky sites you get to when you spell your bank name wrong. Things are definitely improving.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 13, 2008, 07:17:25 am
From the "Introduction" text:
Quote
The power user will be pleased because all the tools are there to compile their own programs, use the system as a server or perhaps the gateway for their home or office computer network.
This sentence has a number agreement issue. The easiest way to resolve this is to change "The power user" to "Power users", that is, to make "user" plural. Then there is agreement in number between the plural subject "users" and the plural pronoun "their". If you keep "power user" as singular, then the pronoun will run into the "his/her" gender thing in order to agree in number. Therefore, the sentence should correctly read:
Quote
Power users will be pleased because all the tools are there to compile their own programs, use the system as a server or perhaps the gateway for their home or office computer network.
If you think about it, "power users" should be plural because that's what we want, lots of power users. :D

I repeat, "lightning" has no 'e' in it.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on March 13, 2008, 10:57:45 am
The layout isn't too bad but the dark blue text on a medium dark blue background is difficult to read.  There simply isn't enough contrast.  My choice would be a somewhat lighter blue background, perhaps a bit closer to the old site in that respect.

The downloads page only has 5.9 Standard.  The public betas (VL Light, VL64) should be offered there as well.  I'd like to see the Multimedia Bonus DIsc there too, even if it's just a brief description and a link to Dweeberkitty's website.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 13, 2008, 12:54:45 pm
If background is lightened, then white text's legibility may suffer. A lighter background reduces contrast for white text. The mouse-over color for dark blue text is yellow which has excellent contrast, if that's any consolation.

I guess the links could be yellow with another color for mouse-over (eg. the very light blue of VectorLInux logo). Or vice versa. Yellow links might detract from text, however, so try very light blue as links color first. In other words, change dark blue links to very light blue. If more contrast needed, then try yellow for the links color, with light blue as mouse-over color. Just see what looks best.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: overthere on March 14, 2008, 02:10:03 pm
It's looking good...I think the yellow mouse over link has to go...but a light color is good...maby cool blueish like the lighter in the banner vector for consistancy .

edit: has anyone opened the page in the Opera browser? on mine the paypal icon is replaced by text-Make payments with paypal-it's fast,free and secure! looks fine in seamonkey and firefox
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 14, 2008, 03:47:04 pm
It isn't the yellow mouse-over color that is objectionable, rather, the dark blue color of links is the problem. Against a gray blue background, the dark blue links are hard to see, by many accounts. So I am suggesting two alternatives, in order of being tried:

1. Change dark blue links to light blue, retain yellow mouse-over.

2. Change dark blue links to yellow, change mouse-over color to light blue.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: overthere on March 14, 2008, 06:12:15 pm
Well yellow goes with nothing..and looks drab..it is naturally a matter of perspective. we are not designing the page we are simply offering suggestion and that is mine.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: newt on March 14, 2008, 10:14:58 pm
What page are you all looking at?  I don't see any yellow rollover effects at http://vectorlinux.com/website2/.  The only thing that's kind of yellow is the paypal donation button (okay, the penguin's feet too), but even that's a bit more orange than yellow ??? (BTW, I do see the paypal button in Opera)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 15, 2008, 03:07:57 am
What page are you all looking at?  I don't see any yellow rollover effects at http://vectorlinux.com/website2/.  The only thing that's kind of yellow is the paypal donation button (okay, the penguin's feet too), but even that's a bit more orange than yellow ??? (BTW, I do see the paypal button in Opera)

As newtor said I don't get a yellow mouse over either.. it's white here.  everything looking ok here but the CD Store Icon could be a little better. it's fuzzy looking on my machine.  Perhaps tabs or radio buttons would be better for the links to the left..

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: overthere on March 15, 2008, 06:31:35 pm
Yes I see the fuzzy cd also...but on my windows opera the page does load fine. The mouse over link and tooltips are not exactly yellow but cream..it may appear white to some but I am not a fibber and it really does not matter so I will just go do something else.
Cheers
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: JohnB316 on March 15, 2008, 07:00:49 pm
I'm looking at the VL web site with Opera 9.50 beta 1 as I post this from Firefox 2.0.0.12. For the person who didn't see the PayPal button but the alternate text, try clearing out your browser cache and hold the Shift key as you click on the Refresh button. Doing this will force the entire page to load afresh from the server rather than from cache.

The mouseover appears to be an off-white/cream color, which I don't have a problem living with. I would rather have the mouseover color stick out to me.

Just for the fun of it, I tried to open the page with Dillo. The site loaded, but it's very ugly with Dillo.

FWIW,
John
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: overthere on March 15, 2008, 07:35:35 pm
Well.. something else was boot a bunch of computers....
opera8 at 640 and 800 /95/98 did load,
opera9 at 800,1024 on win98/xp and linux not..
.I always delete private data but perhaps that does not include cache...
will try as you say..
ya cream white what ever..just an observation.

The cd is fuzzy though as someone else pointed out.
cheers

edit: well the delete private data includes entire cache and the browser is set to also empty on exit. I looked in the folders but did not see anything.
 I cleared cache and rebooted and cleared cache via tools and opened via link with shift and via google after clear cache.and clear cache after loaded and shift refresh....
so if it does not matter to you it does not matter to me.. but ..the page is not loading correctly in opera..
.I realize the work involved in creating a page and getting it up..I was just wanting to be helpful..I usually use seamonkey for the page as it has a default link...will give it up.
cheers
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 17, 2008, 09:59:55 pm
I see the PayPal logo in Opera 9.26 for Linux.

I hate to be negative, but I don't like the darkish blue with white text *at all*. And the black text is very bad--doesn't have enough contrast with the blue. I HATE dark backgrounds on Web pages. I found the Wolvix site ugly and crowded and hard to read, lacking contrast all over the place. Forget about that one! And please--no centered paragraphs such as at http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs225&d=08112&f=concept_art417.jpg. Blocks of centered text like that are a design no-no.

The text there and on the website2 site is too small and too crowded (not enough space between lines). Many Web sites have text that is too small. I've complained about this before. We're not all young and many people have less-than-perfect vision. It is very annoying to have to enlarge text again and again.

To me the new design borders on repulsive.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: newt on March 17, 2008, 10:55:26 pm
Although I _somewhat_ agree with granny in terms of design dislikes, I have come to the conclusion that you (gg) have a TERRIBLE way with words.  I've often found myself taken back by your remarks that are (I assume) meant to provide help, or give thanks for help.  You should really consider phrasing your words more constructively and less accusationally (even if it takes rewriting some sentences - as I have just done ;) ).

The website2, as it stands right now, feels very plain - and the color scheme is a bit dark.  Don't get me wrong, I like dark site designs but this one feels wrong.  As gg stated, black text on dark background doesn't contrast well enough.  I think the gradients are too drastic; the dark blue (upper color) in the gradient could be a bit lighter and less saturated with a slight blue-gray tone - almost a darker version of the lower color.  If I had to make the decision right now on what to do, I'd say we start looking at other templates with different color schemes and layout.  The great thing about our situation is that we are not bound to anything right now - it's time to play and experiment.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: overthere on March 18, 2008, 02:52:51 am
Naturally I can not walk away...I discovered that if I google the page on my fresh install the page is first white with three questionmarks then the page loads correctly. first, "discover the difference", then the logo, then the rest of the banner, then paypal...I did this six times and then bookmarked the page.
when I bookmark the page it will not load the paypal pic. I have to delete the entire cache then remove the bookmark and close the browser. then I can have a new session, google the page and it loads correctly.

I mentioned the fuzzy cd. does not inspire a click of the link
I do not like purple but you cannot please everyone
I think the cream should be white but there are bigger fish to fry
I am content to know I can visit the page correctly and will not link for now
cheers

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: pevsner on March 18, 2008, 10:14:18 am
Hi all,

New vector user here, I'm sticking with it cause its simple and fast.
I had a very quick look at the colours for the website.
and came up with this.
http://www.jllewellyn.f2s.com/vector_test/VectorLinux.html (http://www.jllewellyn.f2s.com/vector_test/VectorLinux.html)
Personally I think you should stick to just one logo thoughout.
All the best with the design.


Title: Re: New test website
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 19, 2008, 12:43:40 pm
Although I _somewhat_ agree with granny in terms of design dislikes, I have come to the conclusion that you (gg) have a TERRIBLE way with words.  I've often found myself taken back by your remarks that are (I assume) meant to provide help, or give thanks for help.  You should really consider phrasing your words more constructively and less accusationally (even if it takes rewriting some sentences - as I have just done ;) ).

I read over my post and can't find anything accusational in it. I didn't attack anyone. I was just stating my opinion of the current design. Maybe "repulsive" was a bit too strong, but that is the way I find the site and if I do, for sure some others will. Lots of very talented designers come up with Web sites that some people can't stand. Is it forbidden to say that?

Anyway, if anyone felt offended by what I posted, I'm sorry you took it that way. I didn't mean to offend or hurt anyone's feelings.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: M-ake on March 19, 2008, 12:57:22 pm
Just to be clear about the concept art pic, it was to demonstrate color palettes. Just as I said in the post: "The concept I made to present the colors." Not fonts/text granny....
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on March 20, 2008, 02:03:47 am
thank you for all your posts critique's etc. I think the one thing that stood out here is nobody really liked the dark theme. I have changed the colors a great deal in fact I made an effort to sort of match the forum theme and the website for consistency the logo background is still in flux as I ran out of steam. So again your comments are welcome and any specific color ideas are welcome..........just a quick note to granny...........thanks for being honest hope you like the present theme better..........:)
cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 20, 2008, 05:44:49 am
I for one like the new lighter theme much better.
Dave
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 20, 2008, 05:55:39 am
1. Text should be black. Right now, links have more emphasis than text.
2. Links should be blue (the same color as text is now), with dark blue mouse-over.
3. Paragraph headings ("Welcome to VectorLinux" "CD Store is open for business" "New Website") can be blue, same blue color as links.


new test website
http://vectorlinux.com/website2/
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: lagagnon on March 20, 2008, 08:14:53 am
At bottom left main page : "Web Links". I think these are redundant. Anyone can find great Linux links now elsewhere. I suggest we remove this section altogether and concentrate on informing people about VL.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on March 20, 2008, 01:50:30 pm
The new theme looks MUCH better.  That's a huge improvement.

I decided to look at it in Opera for a change rather than Firefox.

The VL Editions page has some hard line breaks so there are some very short and don't look good at all.  Also, isn't it VL Light rather than VL Lite.  I thought the consensus was that Lite==crippleware.

Nice to see the mirrors list back on the Downloads page.  I still think the beta downloads (VL64, VL Light) should be there.

Thanks for including me on the Reviews page.  I'm not at all sure having reviews older than 5.x is useful.  Nobody is going to look at VL 2.5 anymore.

I think the list of features would look better as a bulleted list.

I'm sure I'll come up with more suggestions but I do want to compliment the progress made so far.

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on March 21, 2008, 01:42:50 am
ok burned the midnight oil again to come up with a good logo background..........work on the rest later............it's not real flashy but effective and looks nice.......comments?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 21, 2008, 07:41:57 am
Text in blue seems "washed out" in comparison to black font of links. This has the effect of conferring better definition and emphasis on the links. The reverse should be true, that is, the text should be in black and stand out most, whereas links should be in blue and secondary. If links are rendered blue, then the mouse-over can be dark blue, or use underline for mouse-over. I also suggest that paragraph headings (eg. Welcome to VectorLinux) be blue, same color as links . All the above, just like the forum Home page, incidentally.

The italics of "discover the difference" are the right touch.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on March 21, 2008, 10:18:08 am
I'm going to disagree with most of the last post.  I think the dark blue on light blue looks very good.  I don't think theblack stands out that much more or draws attention away from the main text.  I like the current color scheme and I wouldn't change it.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 21, 2008, 06:44:08 pm
I like the new version much better. The contrast is greatly improved and the design looks clean. I'd like a larger font for the paragraph text and a bit more space between the lines.

I just tried to check the page again, but it seems the site has been hacked yet again.

To the person(s) doing this, let me say you're a cat turd in people clothing. Proud of yourself? WHY??? Talk about screwed up values! Also, you are very juvenile and need to grow up.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: lagagnon on March 21, 2008, 06:50:24 pm
Hacked again! What the ---- ?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on March 21, 2008, 07:09:46 pm
OK it's fixed these vermin are replacing the index files with their own. I have everything locked down as tight as I can get it but there is a hole somewhere in the isp's armour..............sigh.

vec
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on March 21, 2008, 08:44:56 pm
The CD Store page has disappeared   :-[   So have downloads, features, and editions.  Part of the hack, I imagine. 

I'm surprised the ISP hasn't taken action. If someone can get at the Vector site they can probably get at others.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: clone on March 23, 2008, 02:45:56 am
um why does anyone want to take over this site?

i mean of all the websites you can hack why would someone want to target VL?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 23, 2008, 05:46:55 am
I think it's looking good,  but the Mailing List link is not working at the moment anyway.

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Lyn on March 23, 2008, 01:30:24 pm
And our friendly hackers are back yet again.... what do they have against us in particular?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Masta on March 23, 2008, 05:19:05 pm
*sigh*  time for new host with real security measurements. Obviously the current host isn't doing well, and the security holes are on their end. There's not much that VL can do to make the site anymore secure if the host is leaving doors wide open.

Although, it DOES make you wonder why the VectorLinux site is the target,,,, repeatedly.

Note to the Crackers:
There's other sites out there, go show us some REAL skills and go for the challenging ones ;) , I'm not impressed that one can attack a site that is hosted on a minimal security host.. nope, sorry, showing me no skills there, and I've seen better.
If you're looking for a job, you're going about it the wrong way. It's better to just drop in and tell us your skills in whatever department and what you can do for us, instead of trying to show us what you can do against us on a minimal security host ;)

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on March 23, 2008, 05:27:19 pm
*sigh*  time for new host with real security measurements. Obviously the current host isn't doing well, and the security holes are on their end. There's not much that VL can do to make the site anymore secure if the host is leaving doors wide open.

Although, it DOES make you wonder why the VectorLinux site is the target,,,, repeatedly.

Note to the Crackers:
There's other sites out there, go show us some REAL skills and go for the challenging ones ;) , I'm not impressed that one can attack a site that is hosted on a minimal security host.. nope, sorry, showing me no skills there, and I've seen better.
If you're looking for a job, you're going about it the wrong way. It's better to just drop in and tell us your skills in whatever department and what you can do for us, instead of trying to show us what you can do against us on a minimal security host ;)



Well said Masta :)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: fuelinux on March 25, 2008, 07:26:37 am
At least one advantage from those "hackers" - It's obvious that the host is vulnerable to those kinds of attacks (and this is the reason for "hackers" to cracking the site again). I wouldn't be suprised if they'll hack it one more time.

BTW, I've got a question regarding the forum's feature. Where can I ask it?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Dweeberkitty on March 26, 2008, 04:58:33 pm
vector, the website is looking great. Could you place a link to the MMBD site either in the Menu or the Web Links section for me? That way there's a link to it directly from the main page. Thanks!

EDIT: Could you change any links to it to www.vectorlinuxsolutions.com ? That'd be great as that's where I am going to have my website.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kukibl on April 02, 2008, 09:55:30 am
Subscribe to mailing list is not working. I got redirected to this link http://www.fullsystemsinc.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi with this message:

Code: [Select]
The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request.
The script had an error or it did not produce any output. If there was an error, you should be able to see it in the error log.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Lyn on April 03, 2008, 10:21:48 am
Our "friends" are back again....
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: newt on April 03, 2008, 11:06:05 am
Since it seems so trivial for our homepage to be hacked, and considering our site was recently moved to a new server, I gotta ask: Is phpwebsite the problem here?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: lagagnon on April 03, 2008, 11:32:49 am
...I gotta ask: Is phpwebsite the problem here?

Maybe. Since this is now the 6th hack (maybe more?) in a little over 2 years now, of our website and/or forum, I suspect we are considered an easy target and our website link is probably listed in hacker/script-kiddies forums/newsgroups - as they seem to be different hackers each time - but I could be wrong.

I think we need to seriously look a the versions of whatever software we are using and go through the security websites to see what might be our weakpoint(s). What a pain in the butt...
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: clint08 on May 12, 2008, 06:24:28 pm
Can anyone tell me how create a site like this one?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: rbistolfi on May 12, 2008, 09:28:25 pm
Can anyone tell me how create a site like this one?

Find phpwebsite and follow their instructions:

http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu/
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: nubcnubdo on May 12, 2008, 11:25:55 pm
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http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu
Ha, App State U is my alma mater! I lived on the north side of a mountain. In the Northern Hemisphere, that's the shady side of a mountain. No direct sunlight during Winter. Cold like Canada.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: wcs on June 11, 2008, 11:38:49 pm
Wow... what just happened there?
For about half an hour a whole new (gorgeous) website was on, and that one said that VL SOHO 5.9 was out.

Just a test?  :)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on June 12, 2008, 02:14:46 pm
I'm wondering too.  I have a copy of VL 5.9 SOHO final for review.  The new release is really, really well done, as in the best I've seen from Vector Linux yet.  Kudos to the developers.  It is definitely ready for prime time and public release.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Masta on June 12, 2008, 04:05:14 pm
Well you can say it was a sort of test. Some things yet to be polished up, and then that new web site should be back on for you to enjoy for a very long time.

I believe that the SOHO 5.9 IS done, but there are some things in line that need to be taken care of, before the public announcements will be released. Those things may include moving the .iso to the download server(s), preparation of the sales departments and those that will be handling the orders, discs being printed up, and so on.

It is now just a matter of short time.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: wcs on June 12, 2008, 04:22:20 pm
Great to hear. Thanks for the hard work.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on June 13, 2008, 12:35:36 am
The new site is up now as is our final release of soho 5.9 DELUXE.........If you have trouble getting the new site just clear your browser cache and try again. The new site is still a redirect from vectorlinux.com and will be that way till we can get all of our other internet goodies under the same roof...........which hopefully won't be long..............enjoy

Vec
ps http://vector2.ecosq.com/ is the correct url for the new site if all else fails
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kc1di on June 13, 2008, 03:26:15 am
The new site is up now as is our final release of soho 5.9 DELUXE.........If you have trouble getting the new site just clear your browser cache and try again. The new site is still a redirect from vectorlinux.com and will be that way till we can get all of our other internet goodies under the same roof...........which hopefully won't be long..............enjoy

Vec
ps http://vector2.ecosq.com/ is the correct url for the new site if all else fails

congratulations to all who worked on SOHO 5.9 it's a great release.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Masta on June 13, 2008, 08:51:59 pm
yeah, now got buy a copy for your friends, your family, and everyone you can think of   . Well maybe more than a copy, buy several for each ...
or just have them buy their own copies ;D

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: LLL on June 14, 2008, 04:23:30 pm
WOW! WOW! WOW!

The new website - and SOHO, I'm sure, though yet to try - is stunning. Really brings VL.com to the level we've dreamed of...the polish and functionality to match the distro. Our old site always reminded me of VL4.3 (my first VL): It got the job done, but wasn't nearly the "wow-factor" of the current versions of the distro. Now both (web and distro) will awe users and instill confidence in the VL experience.

Congratulations. A ton of fantastic time and effort, no doubt.

Cheers,

LLL

P.S. I will be ordering my SOHO momentarily...
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: itbx on June 20, 2008, 04:32:49 pm
vectorlinux.com redirects to vector2.ecosq.com

whois info on ecosq.com is

Domain Name.......... ecosq.com
  Creation Date........ 2003-08-04
  Registration Date.... 2003-08-04
  Expiry Date.......... 2008-08-04
  Organisation Name.... Elpern Associates, Inc.
  Organisation Address. 4845 Truning Leaf Way
  Organisation Address.
  Organisation Address. Reno
  Organisation Address. 89509
  Organisation Address. NV
  Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name........... Jeff Elpern
  Admin Address........ 4845 Truning Leaf Way
  Admin Address........
  Admin Address........ Reno
  Admin Address........ 89509
  Admin Address........ NV
  Admin Address........ UNITED STATES
  Admin Email.......... jeff@elpern.com
  Admin Phone.......... (775)8258452
  Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ Verio Hostmaster
  Tech Address......... 5050 Blue Lake Dr.
  Tech Address.........
  Tech Address......... Boca Raton
  Tech Address......... 33431
  Tech Address......... FL
  Tech Address......... UNITED STATES
  Tech Email........... hostmaster@VERIO-HOSTING.COM
  Tech Phone........... 888-663-6648
  Tech Fax.............
  Name Server.......... ns2.sqi-ops.com
  Name Server.......... ns1.sqi-ops.


RENO NEVADA ?
BOCA RATON ? (The worlds home base for spammers)

You used to be Canadian.

So Who Are You Now?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: bigpaws on June 20, 2008, 04:59:51 pm
The Hosting Server is in Neveda. No different than my hosts, which are not
in the same area that I am in.

HTH

Bigpaws
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: dawnsboy on June 20, 2008, 05:43:45 pm
Quote
You used to be Canadian.

So Who Are You Now?

A more apt question might be:  Who are you?

Interesting content for a first time post.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on June 20, 2008, 08:00:25 pm
We are still canadian but this host offered us a high security zen server which we promptly took advantage of. We haven't moved the vectorlinux.com domain there yet as still issues with the forum hosting.............It will resolve over the next week.

cheers,
vec
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: fuelinux on June 21, 2008, 04:33:29 am
New vector's site design looks wonderful. nice, clean and informative
the news from linux world was a nice addition

keep up good work, you guys  :)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: fightingspirit on July 25, 2008, 08:15:13 pm
Nice. What stook out was the Vector Linux banner and the dark blue navigation bar at the bottom. Great job. The only complaint I have is the text on that navigation bar at the bottom. Maybe its just my browser (it most probably is >_> ), but the text is a little rough...
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on July 26, 2008, 11:15:09 am
The link to the Wiki is broken.  Is the Wiki down or???
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: vector on July 26, 2008, 11:49:41 am
yeah we have yet to reconstruct the wiki after the move. It should return soon.......................:)

vec
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 15, 2008, 11:51:20 am
I have one serious concern about our new website now.  The news section on the right shows security updates.  This is a good thing.  However, it looks like we haven't had a security update since July.  If that was true we'd have all sorts of interesting unpatched vulnerabilities.

The thing is, we have had security updates since then.  xine-lib-1.1.15 in is patches (VL 5.9) and I just put a package for it in testing for VL 6.0.  It closes security vulnerabilities in previous versions that could have allowed a DoS attack or a buffer overflow. 

How do we get current security update information onto the news section?
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: todds on September 24, 2008, 02:13:42 pm
I have one serious concern about our new website now.  The news section on the right shows security updates.  This is a good thing.  However, it looks like we haven't had a security update since July.  If that was true we'd have all sorts of interesting unpatched vulnerabilities.

The thing is, we have had security updates since then.  xine-lib-1.1.15 in is patches (VL 5.9) and I just put a package for it in testing for VL 6.0.  It closes security vulnerabilities in previous versions that could have allowed a DoS attack or a buffer overflow. 

How do we get current security update information onto the news section?

i agree with caitlyn everthing looks very good,but we need a consistent approach to security,for example i haven`t received one security bulletin since signing up for the security newsletter,it is these small things that need sorting out really...

thanks

todders
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: rbistolfi on September 24, 2008, 02:20:22 pm
I have one serious concern about our new website now.  The news section on the right shows security updates.  This is a good thing.  However, it looks like we haven't had a security update since July.  If that was true we'd have all sorts of interesting unpatched vulnerabilities.

The thing is, we have had security updates since then.  xine-lib-1.1.15 in is patches (VL 5.9) and I just put a package for it in testing for VL 6.0.  It closes security vulnerabilities in previous versions that could have allowed a DoS attack or a buffer overflow. 

How do we get current security update information onto the news section?

Cait, we are having som tech difficulty with my permissions in the website and I cant add content now, please be patience the site will be updated soon.
Thanks.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Masta on September 24, 2008, 04:28:26 pm
Yeah, so please put away the tire irons, the baseball bats, the spiked balls on chains, the flaming torches, and whatever else you're staffing there.

 :D
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 24, 2008, 07:26:19 pm
Red hot flaming tongs.  I'll leave it to your imagination where I'd apply them   ;D

Seriously, security issues are something I am very paranoid about since I've done so much security work in recent years.  I've cleaned up the mess after an incident and that is a whole lot of no fun, though it is usually good for lots of overtime and the bank account.

We've had three security announcements today alone, BTW.  No new packages yet, though.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Dweeberkitty on September 24, 2008, 09:08:54 pm
Red hot flaming tongs.  I'll leave it to your imagination where I'd apply them   ;D

Seriously, security issues are something I am very paranoid about since I've done so much security work in recent years.  I've cleaned up the mess after an incident and that is a whole lot of no fun, though it is usually good for lots of overtime and the bank account.

We've had three security announcements today alone, BTW.  No new packages yet, though.

Maybe we can get a script built that automatically pulls security updates from slacky.eu or wherever, does a convertpkg on them, and then uploads them to the repo? Just a thought, but if we automate it, all we'd have to do is monitor it to make sure it keeps working. Maybe I'm missing something and it wouldn't work at all like that, but possibly worth a shot? That way we don't have to rely on our manpower to build security updates.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: kidd on September 25, 2008, 01:04:13 am
rbistolfi and I already did that script.   Unfortunately, things are usually nicer in your imagination than reality, and many packages need extra tweaking to package them for VL.  We could do a kind of db for tweaks and automate it when we've done them once.

I can't find the code, maybe rbistolfi can paste it here or point where is it
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: rbistolfi on September 25, 2008, 09:12:03 am
I am at "work" now ;D, I will look for the code at home. It is for our Slackware based packages, i.e. the core of VectorLinux. It is what I use for our slack based packages.
Anyway, the problem now is not the availability of the packages! They are available in the repository very soon, with just a few exceptions. I dont think we should use slacky.eu packages or other 3rd party packages but slackware ones, is just too dangerous  we just dont know how they build them.

Red hot flaming tongs.  I'll leave it to your imagination where I'd apply them   ;D

Seriously, security issues are something I am very paranoid about since I've done so much security work in recent years.  I've cleaned up the mess after an incident and that is a whole lot of no fun, though it is usually good for lots of overtime and the bank account.

We've had three security announcements today alone, BTW.  No new packages yet, though.

Hehe, don't be paranoid, we need you healthy ;)
I have done security work as well and there is nothing to clean up now :P

Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 11:49:13 am
Rodrigo, thanks for working on this so quickly.

Well.. the slightly heated discussion about security in the forum seems to have lit a fire under a number of people.  Vector already has a firefox 3.0.2 package in the repository.  I don't know how quickly the new seamonkey and postgresql packages will show up but I did notice that Joe1962 announced those issues very quickly as well.  If we all do a little and work together I think we can keep VL easy to secure and keep updated for our user community without becoming overwhelmed or buried in "work".

Again, thanks for all the efforts here.  That's one thing I love about the VL devs, both the core folks and all the volunteers:  when they see a problem they do their best to solve it right away.  Some other unnamed distros get all defensive and circle the wagons instead.  I like the VL way much better.

Oh, and Rodrigo, paranoia can be very healthy sometimes.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: rbistolfi on September 25, 2008, 11:50:57 am
Well, finally the following announcements were added to the news section and the VL security feed:

http://vectorlinux.com/collections/security/RSS
Quote
Seamonkey security upgrade
Link-grammar  (Abiword plugin) security upgrade
Xine-lib security upgrade
Libxslt security upgrade
Net-snmp security upgrade
OpenSSH upgrade
OpenSSL security update
Pcre security upgrade

Duh, I missed the python upgrade from vec7 ;D. I will have to add that one. If I am missing some other please let me know.
Thanks everybody for understanding, we will be working for avoiding this kind of problem in the future :)
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: rbistolfi on September 25, 2008, 12:00:19 pm
Rodrigo, thanks for working on this so quickly.

Well.. the slightly heated discussion about security in the forum seems to have lit a fire under a number of people.  Vector already has a firefox 3.0.2 package in the repository.  I don't know how quickly the new seamonkey and postgresql packages will show up but I did notice that Joe1962 announced those issues very quickly as well.  If we all do a little and work together I think we can keep VL easy to secure and keep updated for our user community without becoming overwhelmed or buried in "work".

Again, thanks for all the efforts here.  That's one thing I love about the VL devs, both the core folks and all the volunteers:  when they see a problem they do their best to solve it right away.  Some other unnamed distros get all defensive and circle the wagons instead.  I like the VL way much better.

Oh, you posted while I was writting :)
Well I dont see a reason to get all defensive, nobody was attacking VL and we are all part of the same project right? We all want the best for VL that is why the discussions are so nice ;D
The security discussion is interesting and I hope we can still follow it, maybe in another thread.

I take postgresql for tonight, Incognu already submited Seamonkey upgrades for 5.8, 5.9 and 6.0, wow incognu you are awesome. I will announce Firefox 3 upgrade as well. I think at this point we are missing only FF 2.0.0.16 and Thunderbird. I promise to pkg those as soon as I can make the time. If someone wants to jump in please do it ;D

Quote
Oh, and Rodrigo, paranoia can be very healthy sometimes.

Not in my dictionary but that was a joke nothing more, I don't wanna start a Psicology flamewar ;D
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Joe1962 on September 25, 2008, 12:06:17 pm
Heh, and you posted when I clicked "Reply", lol. Luckily the Forum warned me. Anyway, like you mentioned, incognu already did SeaMonkey, as I knew he would soon enough. It's great that he is maintaining it for 3 versions of VL! About PostgreSQL, toothandnail PMed me and I sent him my template and script for it, but I'm sure he won't be angry if I send it to you too in case he is busy today.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 12:12:25 pm
I probably won't get to build postgresql.  This repository maintenance stuff is time consuming and my time today and tomorrow is limited.  I'll just be happy to get all the new packages in place, the scripts run, and the announcements made.

I still have a ton of stuff i want to build for VL 6 internationalization/localizaton too.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 12:15:50 pm
I think at this point we are missing only FF 2.0.0.16 and Thunderbird. .

Please remember that we need the language packs for those before we can post them.  Otherwise we break things for all the non-English speaking folks.  I thought exeterdad had a script to build those en masse but I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Dweeberkitty on September 25, 2008, 12:20:55 pm
rbistolfi and I already did that script.   Unfortunately, things are usually nicer in your imagination than reality, and many packages need extra tweaking to package them for VL.  We could do a kind of db for tweaks and automate it when we've done them once.

Yeah, figures. I'm not sure if a db for tweaks would work either....just too many variables that can change.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: uelsk8s on September 25, 2008, 02:37:58 pm
I think at this point we are missing only FF 2.0.0.16 and Thunderbird. .

Please remember that we need the language packs for those before we can post them.  Otherwise we break things for all the non-English speaking folks.  I thought exeterdad had a script to build those en masse but I can't find it anywhere.
exeterdad's script is here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.9/source/patches/net/firefox/mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 02:41:06 pm
That includes the language packs?  Cool!  I don't know when I'll get a chance to look at it.  I know vector mentioned that he'd be building them but if he can't I'll try to get around to it.
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: Masta on September 26, 2008, 06:57:40 pm
I would have mentioned so earlier, but I was incognito in fear of hot tongs  :D
Title: The News section of the website
Post by: Lyn on June 23, 2015, 03:16:05 am
This seems to be broken?  At least it times out when I click on it from the home page
Title: Re: New test website
Post by: repkickz on August 10, 2018, 01:39:23 am
i hope it works