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Title: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 23, 2008, 06:27:20 pm
For all you Microsoft Windows lovers here in the Vector Linux forums  ;), here's a little bit of news you might not yet have seen.

http://itnews.com.au/News/72401,windows-vista-sp1-wreaks-havoc-on-some-pcs-users-complain.aspx (http://itnews.com.au/News/72401,windows-vista-sp1-wreaks-havoc-on-some-pcs-users-complain.aspx)

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 23, 2008, 07:17:47 pm
how surprising
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 25, 2008, 08:43:23 am
Here's a link to some more-or-less baseless speculation about Windows 7:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-evidence-mounting-windows-7-going-modular-subscription.html (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-evidence-mounting-windows-7-going-modular-subscription.html)

One thing I'm pretty sure about is that it's going to suck.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 25, 2008, 08:52:20 am
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One modular OS to rule them all, let's say.

lol ... nice comparison

also:

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Unsurprisingly, Microsoft already has a patent on a "modular operating system" concept.

cf. 'prior art'
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: caitlyn on March 25, 2008, 12:53:07 pm
I was recently told by someone I know that I should get over my "prejudice" and "reconsider Windows and Outlook Express".  When I pointed out the security problems inherent in Windows she told me she's "been lucky".  No she hasn't.  She's been the victim of identity theft and has had to clean virii and all sorts of nonsense off her computer repeatedly.  There's no arguing with some people, though...

Anyway, I sent her the article quoted at the top of the thread.   ;D
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: kc1di on March 25, 2008, 01:00:00 pm
Here's a link to some more-or-less baseless speculation about Windows 7:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-evidence-mounting-windows-7-going-modular-subscription.html (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-evidence-mounting-windows-7-going-modular-subscription.html)

One thing I'm pretty sure about is that it's going to suck.

I'm Still laughing over this one :)  Modular O.S. indeed--- never seen an M.S. product I would call modular yet.  Just try to sperate the modules and see what happens to the base system.. it crashes big time. 
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: metvas on March 25, 2008, 01:01:23 pm
I spent a full day trying to get vista to recognize a sandisk mp3 player, then get the transfer interface to work. Then get the file extension to work. First time ever on vista. Suck? well yes...then some. Will never ever try anything on vista again ever. How this is being used out there is so beyond me it scares the heck out of me as to what folks think of IT.
metvas
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 25, 2008, 03:56:32 pm
Um, yeah ... despite the fact that a few people *cough* are saying that Vista is great and that they've never had any problems with it, Microsoft really dropped one in the bowl this time.

I don't use Linux because I dislike Windows; I use Linux because I like Linux.  Nevertheless, I don't like Windows.  Frankly, I preferred DOS (despite its limitations and flaws).

If there were no Linux, I suppose I'd be using FreeBSD.  If there were no FreeBSD, I suppose I'd just go back to doing to what I was doing before computers were ubiquitous.  Or maybe I would use a Mac, though I'm not sure I like the gotta-drink-the-kool-aid and make-an-offering-at-the-altar-of-St. Steven attitude that a lot of Mac users have.

I wonder how that GNU/Hurd project is coming along ...

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: BlueMage on March 26, 2008, 05:37:02 am
Um, yeah ... despite the fact that a few people *cough* are saying that Vista is great and that they've never had any problems with it

I think you already know my views on that :P  That said, I'm not going to rush out and install SP1 just yet - no reason to fix what ain't broke.

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though I'm not sure I like the gotta-drink-the-kool-aid and make-an-offering-at-the-altar-of-St. Steven attitude that a lot of Mac users have.

I know I don't like it.

Y'know, I actually wonder if some folk exaggerate their Windows problems, be it for humourous effect or to push some kind of agenda (lulz) because if not, I'm forced to conclude that computers and/or their Windows OSs are sentient, and they KNOW when you don't like them.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 26, 2008, 06:00:30 am
Ignorance Is Bliss: I dont know nuthin about no Vista.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 26, 2008, 07:02:06 am
Well, BlueMage ...

If you say you're not having problems with Vista, I'll take your word for it.  I won't even go into the stories of all the people I know who have had problems with it; that would be pointless.  As you say, SP1 for Vista doesn't seem like such a great idea right now, since things are working well for you.

WRT computer sentience, I dunno ... sometimes I wonder.  ;)

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: kc1di on March 26, 2008, 08:24:10 am
Had a close friend who bought a new Dell that came pre-installed with Vista.  He had it for two weeks and told them that he wanted it switched back to XP which the did with no questions.. Of course I tried to get him to try Vector. but he wouldn't.. maybe someday he will.  But I know he thinks Vista is junk.  Unfortunately MS will force the issue by stopping support for XP eventually.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Sty on March 26, 2008, 12:37:49 pm
I can say that my laptop, for work reasons, is a Windows machine.  I currently use Vista 32-Bit Ultimate.  I did upgrade to Service Pack 1 and am glad for it.  I instantly noticed an increase in both performance and stability.

So far, I'm pleased with the service pack.  Overall, I'm not dissatisfied with Windows Vista.  Does it have problems?  Sure, but what operating system doesn't.  That being said, I'm obviously not a "Windows Only" person as I frequent this site and my desktop runs Vector 5.9 as a base. :p

In the end, give credit where credit is due.  Microsoft has done a good job with the service pack as far as I have seen.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Lyn on March 26, 2008, 02:47:02 pm
I only use Linux at home now, and only run Windows XP at work.  Since I ceased to work for a recycling charity I don't have much need to keep up with Windows, but I suppose in some ways I should do..... Seems an awful faff though to buy it and reset up my main machine just so I can check out what Windows is doing... I suspect it will be quite some time before work decide to change to Vista - they still run some machines on NT4.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: BlueMage on March 26, 2008, 04:56:49 pm
WRT computer sentience, I dunno ... sometimes I wonder.  ;)

See, that might be why I don't have problems with computers - I just seem to be able to apply the magic touch and they work again - because they KNOW I like them.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 26, 2008, 06:23:03 pm
WRT computer sentience, I dunno ... sometimes I wonder.  ;)

See, that might be why I don't have problems with computers - I just seem to be able to apply the magic touch and they work again - because they KNOW I like them.

<== veiled threats and cursing
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 26, 2008, 07:30:24 pm
Vista Home Premium came preinstalled on the laptop I bought in August. I have to say I haven't had any problems with Vista in these seven months. For that matter, I've never had serious problems with any version of Windows. I've never had a virus or malware infestation. My systems do not slow down the longer I use them. I do run a tight ship.

I haven't installed Service Pack 1 yet. I generally wait at least a month on things like service packs so the dust can settle. You can find out whether there are problems showing up frequently and make a more informed decision. But even if I wanted to install SP1 now, Windows Update isn't offering it to me. In reading up on this in the Microsoft Knowledge Base, I discovered my sound driver is one of the rather common ones that don't interact well with SP 1, so SP 1 won't be offered to me until I upgrade the driver or Microsoft issues a fix. There are some pretty common audio drivers that prevent SP 1 from being offered through Windows Update: AC97 and two Sigmatels, among others. Mine is one of the Sigmatels. It's a Gateway laptop, so I went to their support site and looked for a newer driver. Nothing. Nor was there one word about SP 1. So I guess I'll be waiting for Gateway and/or Microsoft to get their act together.

I use VL 5.9 Deluxe about 80% of the time on that computer, maybe 90% of the time. I don't dislike Windows, I just like Linux much better.

As for problems with SP 1, every service pack for Windows that I can remember has caused problems for some systems. In the vast majority of cases, they work. But if you're one of the minority who winds up with a mess, that's not any comfort. The SP has an uninstall option but that doesn't always work. Best advice: make an image file before you do anything major that affects the system.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 26, 2008, 07:42:01 pm
Vista Home Premium came preinstalled on the laptop I bought in August. I have to say I haven't had any problems with Vista in these seven months. For that matter, I've never had serious problems with any version of Windows. I've never had a virus or malware infestation. My systems do not slow down the longer I use them. I do run a tight ship.

why should one have to 'run a tight ship' in the case of normal use?

that is contrary to the idea of computing in general
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 26, 2008, 11:10:50 pm
I like the direction this thread is going.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/hurr1.jpg)
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Masta on March 26, 2008, 11:20:58 pm
I like the direction this thread is going.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/hurr1.jpg)

 ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 26, 2008, 11:23:31 pm
Epic Fail Thor-Ketil Ragnarsson runs a TIGHT SHIP
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: BlueMage on March 27, 2008, 04:23:22 am
I'm just going to say that while I don't necessarily run a tight ship, I don't browse stupidly either.  That, I think, will be one of the major reasons my computer use is 99.99% hassle-free.  Ironically, the 0.01% of hassles crop up when I try to use linux.  And usually when I try to use it at uni :/

Which is very frustrating, because my Eee is my uni-machine, and it's staying pure-linux.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 27, 2008, 05:51:04 am
Most of my computer problems crop up when the 'Doze fails to meet my modest needs or, especially in the case of Vista, runs as fast as several pounds of cheddar cheese being extruded through a thimble.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: BlueMage on March 27, 2008, 06:46:53 am
Most of my computer problems crop up when the 'Doze fails to meet my modest needs or, especially in the case of Vista, runs as fast as several pounds of cheddar cheese being extruded through a thimble.

SEE?  IT KNOWS YOU DON'T LIKE IT!

Man, that's actually scary to think of :(
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: caitlyn on March 27, 2008, 11:13:20 am
Most of my computer problems crop up when the 'Doze fails to meet my modest needs or, especially in the case of Vista, runs as fast as several pounds of cheddar cheese being extruded through a thimble.

Like they say on some TV commercials here:  "It's the cheese".

You're somewhere in Scandanavia if I remember right.  Maybe a rip Danish Brie will do better going through that thimble.   ;D

Every time I end up having to support a Windows user for a client I wonder how anybody puts up with that operating system.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Sivatheja on March 27, 2008, 11:35:19 am
For all you Microsoft Windows lovers here in the Vector Linux forums  ;), here's a little bit of news you might not yet have seen.

http://itnews.com.au/News/72401,windows-vista-sp1-wreaks-havoc-on-some-pcs-users-complain.aspx (http://itnews.com.au/News/72401,windows-vista-sp1-wreaks-havoc-on-some-pcs-users-complain.aspx)

Tom
Hey dont worry! all this criticism is only going to make MS more mature, updates are released every Tuesday, eventually Vista is going to be stable; but I dont feel MS is in good shape from the time Bill Gates started concentrating on social service.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Sivatheja on March 27, 2008, 11:36:42 am
Vista Home Premium came preinstalled on the laptop I bought in August. I have to say I haven't had any problems with Vista in these seven months. For that matter, I've never had serious problems with any version of Windows. I've never had a virus or malware infestation. My systems do not slow down the longer I use them. I do run a tight ship.

I haven't installed Service Pack 1 yet. I generally wait at least a month on things like service packs so the dust can settle. You can find out whether there are problems showing up frequently and make a more informed decision. But even if I wanted to install SP1 now, Windows Update isn't offering it to me. In reading up on this in the Microsoft Knowledge Base, I discovered my sound driver is one of the rather common ones that don't interact well with SP 1, so SP 1 won't be offered to me until I upgrade the driver or Microsoft issues a fix. There are some pretty common audio drivers that prevent SP 1 from being offered through Windows Update: AC97 and two Sigmatels, among others. Mine is one of the Sigmatels. It's a Gateway laptop, so I went to their support site and looked for a newer driver. Nothing. Nor was there one word about SP 1. So I guess I'll be waiting for Gateway and/or Microsoft to get their act together.

I use VL 5.9 Deluxe about 80% of the time on that computer, maybe 90% of the time. I don't dislike Windows, I just like Linux much better.

As for problems with SP 1, every service pack for Windows that I can remember has caused problems for some systems. In the vast majority of cases, they work. But if you're one of the minority who winds up with a mess, that's not any comfort. The SP has an uninstall option but that doesn't always work. Best advice: make an image file before you do anything major that affects the system.
--GrannyGeek

Agreed.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: caitlyn on March 27, 2008, 01:39:36 pm
As for problems with SP 1, every service pack for Windows that I can remember has caused problems for some systems. In the vast majority of cases, they work. But if you're one of the minority who winds up with a mess, that's not any comfort. The SP has an uninstall option but that doesn't always work. Best advice: make an image file before you do anything major that affects the system.
--GrannyGeek

It hasn't always been that way.  Back in the days when Windows NT 4 was the latest and greatest I did more work with Windows.  The joke with NT4 was that odd numbered service packs were fine and even numbered ones were disasters.  SP1, SP3, and SP5 were clean and there were very few reports of any problems.  SP2 and SP4 were never deployed by my employer at the time because the problems were legendary.

I think in the '90s it was easier for MS to actually have a clean SP because the OS was smaller and less complex.  The bigger, more bloated, and more complex it gets the more opportunity there is for things to go wrong.  That's why we see the mantra of "modular OS" being touted for the next Windows release.  Of course, the same was said of Vista and it proved not to be true.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 27, 2008, 02:20:54 pm
Vector Linux 5.9 Deluxe did not come pre-installed on my computer.  I had to install it myself.  I've had lots of difficulties with various versions of Linux, but no major ones with Vector.  Also, I've never had any virus or other malware infestations, though some kind of beetle did fry itself in one of my power supplies a few years ago.  I do not run a particularly tight ship.  In fact, I look at whatever websites I want to without worrying ... you know which ones I mean.   ;D

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 27, 2008, 02:28:59 pm
You're somewhere in Scandanavia if I remember right.

I live in Pennsylvania, where I was born.

However, my hateful, starved expression often confuses people.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: BlueMage on March 27, 2008, 04:40:53 pm
Vector Linux 5.9 Deluxe did not come pre-installed on my computer.  I had to install it myself.  I've had lots of difficulties with various versions of Linux, but no major ones with Vector.  Also, I've never had any virus or other malware infestations, though some kind of beetle did fry itself in one of my power supplies a few years ago.  I do not run a particularly tight ship.  In fact, I look at whatever websites I want to without worrying ... you know which ones I mean.   ;D

Tom

 ... hacker messageboards?  I'm right, aren't I  :)
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 27, 2008, 05:18:46 pm
BlueMage:

What are these "messageboards" you speak of?

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Dweeberkitty on March 27, 2008, 07:15:22 pm
Here's the truth on Vista:

http://hdgreetings.com/ForYou.aspx?id=xrr322i35k2s50613

*hehe*
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 27, 2008, 09:16:06 pm
that's cute
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: caitlyn on March 27, 2008, 09:44:29 pm
You're somewhere in Scandanavia if I remember right.

I live in Pennsylvania, where I was born.

However, my hateful, starved expression often confuses people.

Pennsylvania, Scandinavia...  they both end in ia... 

Sorry.  I hope I didn't offend you.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: kc1di on March 28, 2008, 03:53:28 am
Here's the truth on Vista:

http://hdgreetings.com/ForYou.aspx?id=xrr322i35k2s50613

*hehe*

Very good Dweeberkitty.. :)
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 28, 2008, 04:07:13 am
Pennsylvania, Scandinavia...  they both end in ia... 

Sorry.  I hope I didn't offend you.

I have no reason to take offense. I wish I were nice as you eh
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 28, 2008, 04:46:00 am
Come on, you guys, this is an OS flamewar, not a mutual admiration society.

No, ... wait, wait ... not a flamewar, a respectful discussion!

flamewar

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: tomh38 on March 28, 2008, 02:21:15 pm
Maybe Windows users will be getting a discount because of this:

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2421/microsoft-brand-in-decline-080328/index.html (http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2421/microsoft-brand-in-decline-080328/index.html) ;D

Okay, now I'm going to quote one of the comments from Slashdot on this article, from someone whose nick is 'Facetious':

Quote
Today's forecast calls for light showers with a high chance of flying chairs. Seriously, though, I used to doubt the power of "branding," but the more I learn about the average consumer (disappointing as it may be), the more I understand why companies care about this kind of thing.

Tom
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on March 28, 2008, 03:04:55 pm
Maybe Windows users will be getting a discount because of this:

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2421/microsoft-brand-in-decline-080328/index.html (http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2421/microsoft-brand-in-decline-080328/index.html) ;D

Okay, now I'm going to quote one of the comments from Slashdot on this article, from someone whose nick is 'Facetious':

Quote
Today's forecast calls for light showers with a high chance of flying chairs. Seriously, though, I used to doubt the power of "branding," but the more I learn about the average consumer (disappointing as it may be), the more I understand why companies care about this kind of thing.

Tom

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that
Title: Microsoft's Vista Blogger Nick White Quits
Post by: tomh38 on April 02, 2008, 01:30:04 pm
Article here:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207001276 (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207001276)

From the article:
Quote
White did not provide a reason for his decision. To be sure, his position could not have been an easy one. White's posts often elicited hundreds of responses from Vista users complaining about the operating system's numerous glitches and quirks.
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: exeterdad on April 02, 2008, 06:34:50 pm
A reply to that story had this image:
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/51180/2001860070829666301_rs.jpg
:)
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on April 02, 2008, 07:28:57 pm
A reply to that story had this image:
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/51180/2001860070829666301_rs.jpg
:)

unlikely

it seems logical on the face of it, I really couldn't agree more

however, you forgot to take the bovine intellect of most humans into account
Title: Re: Vista SP1
Post by: Sivatheja on April 02, 2008, 07:36:48 pm
Here's the truth on Vista:

http://hdgreetings.com/ForYou.aspx?id=xrr322i35k2s50613

*hehe*

Nice