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Marketing VL => General => Topic started by: vector on June 09, 2008, 01:49:28 am

Title: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: vector on June 09, 2008, 01:49:28 am
We are hoping to get at least three willing volunteers to broadcast vector news to their favorite linux news sites. This would only take a few minutes per day and would greatly enhance our web presence in the linux community. This is a grass roots effort and a great way you can contribute back to your community. News can be anything like howto's to release news and anything thats relevant. We need to let the world know there is a linux that doesn't  start or end with ubuntru.
 vec
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: kukibl on June 09, 2008, 02:35:34 am
Well I am already posting some VL related news on Serbian Slackware community (forums), but I will check with admin to post them on their main page. Maybe even to make some VL introduction page or topic on forum.

Also, I will try to post by end of the week Perfect Desktop tutorial on http://www.howtoforge.com/. They have some really nice Perfect Desktops tutorials for many distros, including Slack 12.

I've started this topic on VL forum and I would be grateful if someone could join me http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6029.0 (http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6029.0).

I would be glad to help, but I am not sure that I will have enough time every day. Maybe twice a week if that's ok...? :-\
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: exeterdad on June 09, 2008, 05:26:09 am
I'm out.  I only come here, or wherever needed to get packages built :)
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: budulay on June 09, 2008, 08:59:47 pm
I could post news on http://linuxforum.ru - russian speaking linux forum(but I need to translate all news to russian, so it will take some time).
The question is:
What exactly I need to post? - There are quite a few howtos...
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: vector on June 11, 2008, 12:33:20 am
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What exactly I need to post? - There are quite a few howtos...
the most common questions would be good like the wifi howto that would get attention.
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I would be glad to help, but I am not sure that I will have enough time every day. Maybe twice a week if that's ok...?
Thats great!! any time at all is a real plus thank you

Please anyone else? Just add some ideas to the list to better market VL maybe someone will pick up the stick and run with it...............
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Freston on June 12, 2008, 05:25:06 pm
Don't ask what Vector can do for you, ask what you can do for Vector :-p

I'd like to volunteer as I think VectorLinux is under appreciated. But I know myself. I have a hard time as it is keeping up with my regular jobs. And I have more (Linux related) volunteer projects that slowly bleed to death. So I'll warn in advance. I keep my RL promises, but I tend to neglect my Internet promises. I've had only one day off the last  two weeks. So don't think less of me because of that, I warned in advance  ::)

My mind works like this:
Code: [Select]
if [ $promise = "internet" ] ; then
   renice 19 `/sbin/pidof $promise`
fi

But I have been thinking about this question. I think it's pretty vague as is. Maybe we can clarify a little on it?


Maybe first design a target audience (one or several distinct audiences). Know who we're talking about. If I may start on that?? IMHO what makes VectorLinux stand out is:
1) Speed, reliability, completeness of default applications and multi media. Also VL gives a mature platform on older hardware. For most this comes first, to me it comes second. Yet in this respect VL is good, but not unique. Might want to think of a strategy here that addresses what _does_ make Vector unique here, namely that it has all these things instead of a varied selection.
2) The SOHO distro. This is what drew me to VL in the first place. I don't know any other distro that targets specifically at that audience. That said, being a freelancer myself, I work on my laptop on clients sites regularly, I really appreciate the fast boot time of Vector. The last thing you want when you need to show a spread sheet calculation to a client is waiting while your computer boots. Again, VL is impressive.

VectorLinux has a couple of weaknesses as well. Some of them make Vector vulnerable in certain markets. Pleaase don't take me wrong. I really respect the effort and the result of 'the Vector project' but sometimes I really wished Vector was just a little more like Ubuntu. If you want to target specific audiences, IMHO you shouldn't hide this. The last thing you want is to make promises you can't keep.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Masta on June 12, 2008, 07:48:45 pm
I think what we need is basically someone with a really big mouth that never stops... lol . It doesn't take much to go into certain places (besides linux related sites) and yab to friends ,and everyone else who can read, about VL.

Chat rooms, online games, you name it, you can put the word in there. I know when I have a moment of time away from artwork and developing, I go into games that have chat, and I often get asked what distro I use, and then I tell them, "I use VectorLinux" .. it's not a very good feeling when the first most response is "I've never heard of that.." , that's when I get my opportunity to shine the spotlight and let them know what I know about it, I give web address, and whatever other info. I can give.

So just little things such as that, is a big help !

But we'd also like to have a few good men / women to dedicate some spare time in advertising about VL. Seems all the big dogs like Ubuntu always steal the spotlight, because they take much of their time shoving the name into everyplace and everything they can.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on June 12, 2008, 07:54:10 pm
I will continue to review Vector releases for O'Reilly and post anything else newsworthy or interesting there.  I also post all of that stuff and some of my blog entries that might be interesting to lxer.com.  A lot of my articles get picked up buy linuxtoday.com and/or linux.com. 

I don't know what more I can do....
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Xeon on June 13, 2008, 04:51:44 am
I'm affraid there are not many good dutch sites around. They are either never visited or just wait to big (tweakers.net for instance, I could submit news but it just won't get approval) Although I could try to put it in their meuktracker.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: exeterdad on June 13, 2008, 05:12:30 am
I guess one way "I" could spread the word is to notify software developers that a Vectorlinux package has been created for their application.  Often they will link to a distributions site if a package is available, or they often host it.  It might catch someone's eye when they are looking on the site for binaries. "Maybe", I dunno.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: uelsk8s on June 13, 2008, 05:21:38 am
I guess one way "I" could spread the word is to notify software developers that a Vectorlinux package has been created for their application.  Often they will link to a distributions site if a package is available, or they often host it.  It might catch someone's eye when they are looking on the site for binaries. "Maybe", I dunno.

Great idea exeterdad, it would be nice to see VL binaries on Opera's site for instance
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Freston on June 13, 2008, 02:55:18 pm
Long story:

I have four different jobs (counting my freelance work as one job). One of them is in an IT department where I work eight hours per week. One of my main tasks there is switching ~180 older 2Ghz machines for thin clients. The real footwork of system administration. All the old machines are gonna be offered at bargain price to the personnel of the company. But! Without OS!

Recently I was the only one in the IT department, so I had to man the helpdesk. With time on my hands, I took one of the old boxes and installed VectorLinux on it. I just let it sit there with a post-it on the monitor telling what the passwords where. When I came back this week it turns out my colleagues had gotten curious and examined the box. Especially the server technician was very impressed. I believe he asked a total of five times which distro I had installed.


So here is what I can do:
I can ask if they think it's ok if I install VL on all boxes. There are at this moment about thirty killdisked machines just standing there waiting. There are gonna be a lot more within the foreseeable future. And the beauty, there's only three or four different models and around 80% are the exact same. So if I tune one and make an image of it, then I can install them very quickly. I believe they have net-boot in their bios, and I have a book that explains how to use that to install an image on a machine. But that's only a trivial technical matter. I need permission to do this in the bosses time. Maybe I can somehow sell this under the flag of Employee Benefits.

If that works, and I mean /if/ that works, then we might want to look in to the support question. Because that question is bound to be raised. English support by email is not gonna cut it. But we'll safe that discussion for a later date. First I need the go-ahead. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: budulay on June 13, 2008, 03:43:38 pm
posted about VL64 and VL SOHO at www.linuxforum.ru .
don't see a lot of enthusiasm there, yet...
will keep trying.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: budulay on June 13, 2008, 06:22:49 pm
Seems like few peoples are interested, but the main question is:
Why VL is better than SlackWare?
I don't installed SlackWare, so, honestly, I could answer nothing...
Could someone back me and give some interesting tips, plz...
Thanks.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Dweeberkitty on June 13, 2008, 06:32:57 pm
Seems like few peoples are interested, but the main question is:
Why VL is better than SlackWare?
I don't installed SlackWare, so, honestly, I could answer nothing...
Could someone back me and give some interesting tips, plz...
Thanks.

More customization (looks better, is more finely tuned). Faster, has more optimization. Has control tools like VasmCC and vlwifi to make administrating the system and setting up wireless a snap. Slackware is everything plain and vanilla, Vector adds spice and life into the stability that Slackware is known for. Vector inherits Slackware's good things and makes them better, faster, and more user-friendly. Does that help any?
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Xeon on June 13, 2008, 11:50:25 pm
I submitted SOHO to tweakers. It usually takes some time to be progressed and I don't know if we'll get approved.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: kukibl on June 14, 2008, 03:35:10 am
There is a page on XFCE's official web site concerning XFCE based distros. I think someone (developers) should contact XFCE staff to inform them that VL's Standard edition is XFCE-based.

Here is the page - http://www.xfce.org/download/distros (http://www.xfce.org/download/distros).
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: kc1di on June 14, 2008, 03:56:26 am
Would like to be of help , have entered a jurnel entry in Slashdot with a request that it be added to the news.. but will have to wait and see if it's approved.

Is it going to be announce on Distrowatch? 
Or if there are anyother outlets I could be of help getting the word out too. please let me know.

Dave
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on June 14, 2008, 02:35:00 pm
I was surprised the release announcement didn't show up on Distrowatch.

I'll write to the developers of culmus-fonts and make them aware of our binaries.  It might be helpful if the package for VL 5.9 made it out of testing into Extra, though.  I use those fonts all the time and there is nothing wrong with the package.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Dweeberkitty on June 14, 2008, 08:36:57 pm
Maybe some people can update the VL wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Linux

Update the information, new screenshots, clean it up, etc...
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: todds on June 15, 2008, 02:37:42 am
Maybe some people can update the VL wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Linux

Update the information, new screenshots, clean it up, etc...

Hello i have began to update the wikipedia it is a work in progress and will take me a couple of days but will get there,i hope this helps.

(I have now finished editing the page for today,will tweak an additional few things here and there,also added new screenshot,hopefully it is now cleaned up a litlle.)

regards

todders
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: kc1di on June 15, 2008, 03:20:30 am
I See VL 5.9 SOHO made it to Distrowatch   :)
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: budulay on June 15, 2008, 12:34:24 pm
More customization (looks better, is more finely tuned). Faster, has more optimization. Has control tools like VasmCC and vlwifi to make administrating the system and setting up wireless a snap. Slackware is everything plain and vanilla, Vector adds spice and life into the stability that Slackware is known for. Vector inherits Slackware's good things and makes them better, faster, and more user-friendly. Does that help any?
Thanks for info.
Could you, please, give more info?
Will post that, when I'll return from trip(I am leaving for about a month)
Thanks once more...
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Masta on June 15, 2008, 03:26:22 pm
Maybe some people can update the VL wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Linux

Update the information, new screenshots, clean it up, etc...

Hello i have began to update the wikipedia it is a work in progress and will take me a couple of days but will get there,i hope this helps.

(I have now finished editing the page for today,will tweak an additional few things here and there,also added new screenshot,hopefully it is now cleaned up a litlle.)

regards

todders
Ah yes, things are going into place  8) . Thanks so much for taking the time to update the wikipedia. It's looking good to me .
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: M0E-lnx on June 20, 2008, 04:53:43 pm
Not sure this counts, but FWIW, I talked to the LXDE Devs, and they have listed VL in their wiki as a distro featuring LXDE

http://www.lxde.org/wiki/Main_Page
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: vector on June 20, 2008, 08:02:37 pm
cool every little bit helps!
thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on June 20, 2008, 08:46:49 pm
Unfortunately they refer to Vectorlinux LITE instead of Vector Linux Light  :(  Anyone want to politely correct them?

See:  http://www.lxde.org/download.html
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Xeon on June 21, 2008, 12:51:54 am
It seems like tweakers has not approved my submission. Sad to see an update like opensuse has made it to the software update list.

Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: blurymind on July 02, 2008, 01:28:27 pm
i'm promoting vector in bulgaria and bulgarian forums. I can promote it in english on english forums,talk about its features and such.Would love to contribute but i need to find a place that has people reading first.The only blog that people read curently is the one i have at deviantart and its not much good since people there are more interested in art and so on.. :-[
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: prenv on September 15, 2008, 11:09:16 am
Im def in
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: M0E-lnx on September 15, 2008, 01:17:00 pm
Im def in
?
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: tripleRsystem on September 18, 2008, 07:01:36 am
We are hoping to get at least three willing volunteers to broadcast vector news to their favorite linux news sites. This would only take a few minutes per day and would greatly enhance our web presence in the linux community. This is a grass roots effort and a great way you can contribute back to your community. News can be anything like howto's to release news and anything thats relevant. We need to let the world know there is a linux that doesn't  start or end with ubuntru.
 vec

Honestly:  I'm a relatively new comer to the environment of Vector Linux, and  Linux generally.  I have tried most distros over the past three too four years, and I had tried Vector a couple years ago and become frustrated with it, as I had with other distros.  I suppose I'm a born newbi.  However, I came back to Vector Linux because of its quality, speed and underlying Skackware roots.  My intentions are to stay with Vector Linux and become well versed in its development and usages.  Therefore, I have little connection too the Linux community at large, so I question as to whether or not I'm able to contribute in this regard beyond word of mouth, which I already do, and there is at least one other besides me, in our IT department, now working to understand and use Vector Linux.  I will remain alert to any possibility to promote VL whenever the opportunity arises. 
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: waynev on September 18, 2008, 11:12:42 am
We are hoping to get at least three willing volunteers to broadcast vector news to their favorite linux news sites. This would only take a few minutes per day and would greatly enhance our web presence in the linux community. This is a grass roots effort and a great way you can contribute back to your community. News can be anything like howto's to release news and anything thats relevant. We need to let the world know there is a linux that doesn't  start or end with ubuntru.
 vec

I'll need to get up to speed on the howto of article writing, but I'll try and work something up and try it out on one of the Linux News Sites.  I suppose the worst that can happen is it's trashed.  ;D
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: waynev on September 18, 2008, 11:16:33 am
Im def in
?
???
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on September 18, 2008, 03:07:18 pm
Sorry, but I just don't see the point in thinking in terms of marketing and conventional business strategies.  Vector Linux makes exactly zero dollars if one new user downloads and installs VL or if a million do.  Yes, a few more people might by SOHO if it's more popular and I suppose that's good.  Most Linux companies make their money selling support and consulting services.  Marketing the new support offerings to businesses makes sense.  Worrying about if we're ranked 15th or 23rd on Distrowatch makes no sense and IMHO simply doesn't matter.

I'm a Linux professional and I would *NEVER* recommend Vector Linux to one of my customers for use either on the desktop or in the server room.  Why not?  When known security issues crop up sometimes someone gets a new package to fix the problem out.  Sometimes not.  Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it happens eventually, and sometimes it never happens at all.  If a security fix is packaged does it get tested and moved to the repositories promptly?  VL's history says no, absolutely not! 

Do we inform users of security issues?  Sometimes yes, mostly no.  We have the mechanisms to do it in the forum, on the website, and via RSS.  Everything is in place and it's rarely used.  Look at the website -- no security news since July yet in August both DoS and buffer overflow vulnerabilities were discovered in xine-lib.  The good news is toothandnail did make a new package.  The bad news is that it just got into the patches repository a few days ago.  No information about it was ever disseminated to the users.

If VL wants to be taken seriously it needs to get its act in order when it comes to security.  That probably isn't going to happen on a volunteer basis.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: tripleRsystem on September 18, 2008, 05:07:49 pm
Sorry, but I just don't see the point in thinking in terms of marketing and conventional business strategies.  Vector Linux makes exactly zero dollars if one new user downloads and installs VL or if a million do.  Yes, a few more people might by SOHO if it's more popular and I suppose that's good.  Most Linux companies make their money selling support and consulting services.  Marketing the new support offerings to businesses makes sense.  Worrying about if we're ranked 15th or 23rd on Distrowatch makes no sense and IMHO simply doesn't matter.

I'm a Linux professional and I would *NEVER* recommend Vector Linux to one of my customers for use either on the desktop or in the server room.  Why not?  When known security issues crop up sometimes someone gets a new package to fix the problem out.  Sometimes not.  Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it happens eventually, and sometimes it never happens at all.  If a security fix is packaged does it get tested and moved to the repositories promptly?  VL's history says no, absolutely not! 

Do we inform users of security issues?  Sometimes yes, mostly no.  We have the mechanisms to do it in the forum, on the website, and via RSS.  Everything is in place and it's rarely used.  Look at the website -- no security news since July yet in August both DoS and buffer overflow vulnerabilities were discovered in xine-lib.  The good news is toothandnail did make a new package.  The bad news is that it just got into the patches repository a few days ago.  No information about it was ever disseminated to the users.

If VL wants to be taken seriously it needs to get its act in order when it comes to security.  That probably isn't going to happen on a volunteer basis.

You make an excellent point with regard to VL deficiencies.  Truly VL must address its short comings in these areas to be taken seriously to garner the respect Vector desires.  However, addressing problematic areas should not necessitate shutting down all other areas of VL to address such problems.  VL is an excellent product as it stands and can be promoted on its positives while negatives are taken under advisement and corrected.  Granted, negatives need be quickly addressed and corrected as soon as possible. 

There seems to be some disconnect wherein I'm suggesting VL should be run as a business, this is not the crux of my input, I simply suggest more focus on planning and less on happenstance, managed like a business if you like.

Community perception of where VL takes an equilibrium in ranking is important, how many nebbish want a distro ranked number twenty when just up the road number one is available.  Perception it's a strong multiplier when it comes to selling a product, (and I'm not talking about dollars and cents selling here.)  and if selling VL to the community is not what this is all about, I give up. 

Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: waynev on September 20, 2008, 04:03:26 pm
Sorry, but I just don't see the point in thinking in terms of marketing and conventional business strategies.  Vector Linux makes exactly zero dollars if one new user downloads and installs VL or if a million do.  Yes, a few more people might by SOHO if it's more popular and I suppose that's good.  Most Linux companies make their money selling support and consulting services.  Marketing the new support offerings to businesses makes sense.  Worrying about if we're ranked 15th or 23rd on Distrowatch makes no sense and IMHO simply doesn't matter.

I'm a Linux professional and I would *NEVER* recommend Vector Linux to one of my customers for use either on the desktop or in the server room.  Why not?  When known security issues crop up sometimes someone gets a new package to fix the problem out.  Sometimes not.  Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it happens eventually, and sometimes it never happens at all.  If a security fix is packaged does it get tested and moved to the repositories promptly?  VL's history says no, absolutely not! 

Do we inform users of security issues?  Sometimes yes, mostly no.  We have the mechanisms to do it in the forum, on the website, and via RSS.  Everything is in place and it's rarely used.  Look at the website -- no security news since July yet in August both DoS and buffer overflow vulnerabilities were discovered in xine-lib.  The good news is toothandnail did make a new package.  The bad news is that it just got into the patches repository a few days ago.  No information about it was ever disseminated to the users.

If VL wants to be taken seriously it needs to get its act in order when it comes to security.  That probably isn't going to happen on a volunteer basis.

A person would need to be outfitted in Mules blinders to think so narrowly.   Geez, all of these things should be normal everyday housekeeping items.   Every Distro faces the same problem in keeping its distro updated and improving security.  So what gives with all this maintenance stuff?  Maintenance won’t translate into broader linux user awareness for VL.   VL may have the most up to date and security tight distro in Linux World but unless the world is told it won’t be known.  That requires some type of get out the good news effort.  I think I read somewhere they call it marketing.   How can anyone with any common sense think that setting in some room crunching code is all that’s required;  NUTS!. 
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on September 20, 2008, 04:21:03 pm
waynev:  None of the major distros has problems getting security patches on a timely basis.  Show me even one example where Ubuntu, Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS, Suse, Mandriva, Debian, or Slackware has failed to do so over the past few years.  Just one.  You can't do it.  They all take security seriously.  Your claim that every distro faces this problem is pure B.S.!  Again, I challenge you to show me even one documented example.

Blinders?  You're the one whose nuts if you think this isn't important.  It absolutely prevents us from reaching a wider audience.  I can't think of  anything more important to solve.  I know the developers take this issue VERY seriously even if you don't.

Where on earth do you get the idea that the world isn't told about VL?  There are articles about and reviews of VL all over the net.  What have you done to get the word out?  What makes you think that I don't help get the word out?  Go to the O'Reilly Media website (you know, the folks who are the largest publisher of technical books, including Linux books) and search out how many articles about Vector Linux I've written over the past three years.  The search for my name and Vector Linux on lxer.com, linuxtoday.com, and linux.com.  Tell me again how I have blinders after that or how I or anyone else you're lecturing to has been deficient in getting the word out.

I'm really, really tired of you and your other newbie buddy telling us that we're not doing whatever it is we're supposed to do to let the world know we're here.  I'm also really, really tired of reading the idea that we can ignore our shortcomings and put out crap compared to the major distros and it won't matter so long as we get the word out.

OK, since you see the world so much more clearly than I do how about you or your buddy offer up one concrete suggestion of what we're supposed to be doing to get the word out that we aren't doing already.  I haven't seen one yet.  All I see is a lot of pontificating, spouting off, and claiming that you two newbies no so much bettter than those of us who have been using this distro for years.  Also, while you're at it, tell us how you are going to volunteer to make this distro either better known or better technically.  I've been getting the word out on every major Linux forum.  Have you?  I've been building packages and lately I've helped to maintain our repositories.  What have you done?

Do you still think I have blinders?  Methinks you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.  Do a little Google search next time before making accusations, OK?

Oh, and posting the same nonsense on multiple thread doesn't make it any less nonsensical.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: waynev on September 20, 2008, 04:33:38 pm
waynev:  None of the major distros has problems getting security patches on a timely basis.  Show me even one example where Ubuntu, Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS, Suse, Mandriva, Debian, or Slackware has failed to do so over the past few years.  Just one.  You can't do it.  They all take security seriously.  Your claim that every distro faces this problem is pure B.S.!  Again, I challenge you to show me even one documented example.

Blinders?  You're the one whose nuts if you think this isn't important.  It absolutely prevents us from reaching a wider audience.  I can't think of  anything more important to solve.  I know the developers take this issue VERY seriously even if you don't.

Where on earth do you get the idea that the world isn't told about VL?  There are articles about and reviews of VL all over the net.  What have you done to get the word out?  What makes you think that I don't help get the word out?  Go to the O'Reilly Media website (you know, the folks who are the largest publisher of technical books, including Linux books) and search out how many articles about Vector Linux I've written over the past three years.  The search for my name and Vector Linux on lxer.com, linuxtoday.com, and linux.com.  Tell me again how I have blinders after that or how I or anyone else you're lecturing to has been deficient in getting the word out.

I'm really, really tired of you and your other newbie buddy telling us that we're not doing whatever it is we're supposed to do to let the world know we're here.  I'm also really, really tired of reading the idea that we can ignore our shortcomings and put out crap compared to the major distros and it won't matter so long as we get the word out.

OK, since you see the world so much more clearly than I do how about you or your buddy offer up one concrete suggestion of what we're supposed to be doing to get the word out that we aren't doing already.  I haven't seen one yet.  All I see is a lot of pontificating, spouting off, and claiming that you two newbies no so much bettter than those of us who have been using this distro for years.  Also, while you're at it, tell us how you are going to volunteer to make this distro either better known or better technically.  I've been getting the word out on every major Linux forum.  Have you?  I've been building packages and lately I've helped to maintain our repositories.  What have you done?

Do you still think I have blinders?  Methinks you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.  Do a little Google search next time before making accusations, OK?

Oh, and posting the same nonsense on multiple thread doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

I found you posting the same stuff on two threads so I just followed your lead, but of course you are special.  Please note I did not call you Idiot; Idiot.  BTW; you forgot to tell me your a Linux Professional.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on September 20, 2008, 05:21:30 pm
I responded on two thread, yes.  I didn't start posting on two threads.

Where did I call you an idiot?  You're good at name calling and making accusations.  You still haven't answered my questions:

What should we be doing to market VL that we aren't already doing?  Limit yourself to things that don't cost a lot of money VL doesn't have?

How can we be a major distro if we don't offer the same quality as major distros in areas like security?  Which major distro doesn't get security patches out promptly?  Which one EVER fails to do so?

What have you done to make VL better or better known?
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: Masta on September 20, 2008, 09:21:18 pm
For the upcoming VL-6, we are thinking to base it on the Debian core. This way we can get some volunteers in a much easier way to help get the word out.

The other alternative is to base it on the Vista core. This way, we will have corporate backing and funding support along with ultimate security.
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: caitlyn on September 20, 2008, 09:31:08 pm
Masta: I'm glad to see someone has a sense of humor  ;D
Title: Re: need to recruit a few good folks to get the VL word out
Post by: wcs on September 22, 2008, 01:47:13 am
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The other alternative is to base it on the Vista core. This way, we will have corporate backing and funding support along with ultimate security.

 ;D