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Title: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: vector on August 10, 2008, 12:14:33 am
Please post anything related to our alpha release of Vector 6.0 here.
Thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: nooby on August 10, 2008, 01:54:12 am
Is that link to a Live CD or a cd that wants to do an installation to a partitioned hdd?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 10, 2008, 03:24:24 am
The latter.
And it's an ALPHA-version, so bound to be riddled with bugs.

The release is for pricks like me to break apart and write it into the ground, so the devs learn how to get their act together. ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: nooby on August 10, 2008, 03:29:13 am
then have fun I gladly test live cd but not installs. :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: kc1di on August 10, 2008, 05:39:38 am
First problem I've encountered is the new Install app.  It won't work on any of my older equipment would suggest that you make the old install the default with the option of trying the new one until it's more comapatible with older machines.

But overall a quick use looks good.  :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: exeterdad on August 10, 2008, 08:23:03 am
The release is for pricks like me to break apart and write it into the ground, so the devs learn how to get their act together. ;)
Hmmm...  Me thinks changing your profile from "Dude In The Snappy Hat" to "Prick In The Snappy Hat" is in order.  ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: wcs on August 10, 2008, 10:21:56 am
Typing from it now.

Very nice! Thank you for all the effort.
Great installer and the system looks great.
(I'm a bit nervous about this gnome change, though)

Anyway, suggestions for the installer:

1. It seems stretched on a widescreen monitor. Probably a pain to change the installer to support this, though.

2. I don't think there was an installation file checker like in the text installer in 5.9

3. There's a little scroll bar on the left sidebar, which doesn't seem needed.

4. When installing individual packages it reads "indivirual" (makes it look like something to do with viruses  :) )

5. Perhaps the short description of the packages should be added in front of them.

6. Perhaps the lxde packages should all go in a block as well, like gnome in the previous screen.

As for the system itself, almost everything that I tested is working, but:

7. Vasm says permission denied, as does vsuper

8. Upgrades in gslapt worked fine, except for slapt-get which fails due to depending on pkgtools (instead of pkgtools-tukanni)

9. Docs aren't there, but I didn't expect them to be (yet).

Other than that, I'm surprised that at such an early stage, things feel so solid.
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Dweeberkitty on August 10, 2008, 10:24:47 am
You should post this release to distrowatch. It doesn't matter if it's ready for people to use, they don't expect an alpha version to be, or if anyone downloads it. What matters is that VL gets it's name out there and people get accustomed to seeing it.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: wcs on August 10, 2008, 10:32:53 am
Also, nvidia drivers installed fine.

(my computer is a Core2Duo E6300, 1.5G of RAM, SATA HD, onboard soundcard, Nvidia video card 7xxx)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: The Headacher on August 10, 2008, 11:38:21 am
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You should post this release to Distrowatch. It doesn't matter if it's ready for people to use, they don't expect an alpha version to be, or if anyone downloads it. What matters is that VL gets it's name out there and people get accustomed to seeing it.
I disagree, posting about every early testversion on Distrowatch will just mean people will think we're big spammers. There's so much versions of VL out now, you can post something every day if Uel has a good week :).

Also, I am used to seeing *buntu there, but I never ever click a single one of them.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 10, 2008, 11:39:52 am
Allrighty!
DL-ed the ISO, checked the MD5-SUM, burned it at 8-speed.(Better safe than sorry...)
And...

Here's some flack from Yours Truly:

Machine-specs:

Oh!
And I'm not a big fan of "Graphical Installers" ;for this kinda stuff ncurses is "graphical" enough as it is in my books.

First impressions:
NOT GOOD!

Oh well; it at least yielded me a nice coaster.
But if this is the way Vector is headed, I'm sure it'll loose a lot of users...

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: wcs on August 10, 2008, 11:45:05 am
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It could be just me, but the copying of the files lasted MUCH longer than in previous versions. What gives?

True for me as well.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: wcs on August 10, 2008, 12:18:10 pm
After giving it a bit more thought, I feel very disconcerted by this gnome + lxde combo.

On top of concerns about gnome's speed, my reasons for confusion are twofold.

First, what happens to the middle ground that standard was supposed to be (i.e., with xfce), which offered lots of features and customization, but was still light? Maybe I'm generalising my preferences to the other Vector Standard users, but it bothers me that the choices in this version are about something with a lot less features (lxde) and something that offers a lot of stuff that I wouldn't need (gnome). The middle ground was (I thought) precisely what Standard was supposed to represent.

Second, how does this impact the other versions? It doesn't get much lighter than lxde, so is VL Light going even lighter (say, only jwm)? How different will Standard be from Light, if one chooses not to install gnome?
It doesn't get much more full-featured than gnome either, so what will be different in SOHO?
It seems that if development of these other versions is pursued, there won't be much differentiation between the three current VL versions.

So, to me, this version feels like Light + SOHO, with no real Standard in between.

Of course, one will always be able to add xfce from the repos (I hope), but my problems are more in terms of "fit" between a wm and an underlying base, effort of testers (who can only spend a limited amount of time with each wm), and VL's image/message (which, up to now, has been of a very fast and light distro that nonetheless offered 3 choices on the "bloatness" scale).
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: skyekeeper on August 10, 2008, 12:39:36 pm
Hello.

I've used Vector sense 5.1 came out. I have a disability that makes it hard for me to type, so I am mostly "Read Only" Anyway....

Let's get to the testing!

Install screen
The screen was shifted to the right, almost to the point where I could not click "next".

I had intended to install on the free space at the end of hda, but gparted balked at that. It let me select the free space, but there was no dialog for 'primary' or 'extended' I could select any format but ext3.  Ext3 was greyed out. I could click 'next', but gparted pop up an error dialog and would not continue.

I used gparted to clear the disk and set up a 250 meg swap file, and a 13 gig / partition. and formated it 'rieser'. ext3 was available then, but I did not use it.

The new installer worked after that.  The cursor stayed at the extreme left bottom of the screen and would not come up to the dialog boxes. there was no feed back, and there was no way to tell when it was though. The mouse worked and I was able to click on the dialog box's and  complete them

The rest of the install was a run-away...  I think the Vector ncurser installer is one of the best!

Reboot was fine.

It looks like this is a refined alfa. I'm looking forward to testing it.

Test machine:
Motherboard: Elitegroup K7S
CPU: AMD Athlon 64  1600
Ram 512
Vid Card ATI Radion 9600
60 gig hard disk
Plextor   combo DVD/CD
Lan: Onboard
Sound Onboard
NEC 15 inch CRT
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 10, 2008, 02:10:48 pm
I can understand everyone's concerns about the new changes and stuff. But people, keep in mind that this is an ALPHA release. menaing it's not even beta yet, so with that said, If you're on board with the testing crew, let's do just that and not go back to the text-installer nostalgia here.
I'm sure when the system is done and ready for public release, it will offer an option to choose between the GUI or TEXT installer (I HOPE). But as I said, this is the very early testing phase of the project. IOW, this is there you tell us what didn't work for you, or what needs to be fixed and we'll get them fixed to make it work.
I've already picked up a couple of things from reading this thread so far, and do plan to fix them, let's keep wrting constructive criticism here and hopefully, we can come together and put another great release out.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: pevsner on August 10, 2008, 05:09:56 pm
I have found VL 5.9 standard gold to be my favorite distro, fast and simple.
I must admit I have a preference for xfce over gnome or kde.
The earlier test VL6 dynamite versions loaded ok, but the STD with new gui installer won't recognise some partitions (2nd swap drive) and install seemed to abort.
Looking forward to see how this version develops.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: bigpaws on August 10, 2008, 06:09:06 pm
Attempted in vm gets to the point of is this ramfs (not positive of wording)
answer ... yes then install hangs.

Bigpaws
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: uelsk8s on August 10, 2008, 06:15:57 pm
Bigpaws,
Give it some more ram.  :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: vector on August 10, 2008, 08:37:26 pm
Just a note any of you having a problem getting the new installer to complete can access the old text installer by typing linux at the initial prompt when the cd first boots then hit enter.

Also the new installer needs at least 128 megs of ram to run. We are very interested if anyone has run into hardware issues with it that prevent it from loading..........
Thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: bigpaws on August 10, 2008, 09:35:15 pm
Interesting that virtualbox continues to lower the RAM.

That did the trick. Now gparted has failed three times,
I will look at in the next day or so.

IMHO cfdisk is a little more intuitive than gparted.

Bigpaws
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 12:22:11 am
Probably not really related to this specific release, but;
Since the file-system and all was already copied to the install-partition, I tried to boot into it via my 5.9Std-LILO.
All looked fine at bfirst, but the boot halted with some error-message about not being able to initialise sda6.
Quite strange, since this system has no SCSI or SATA discs; It's all default PATA(IDE) in there.

I'll give it another try with the ncurses-installer today.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: toothandnail on August 11, 2008, 08:53:15 am
Installed to a VirtualBox VM. Since I normally set the video mode, I used 'linux vga=791' from the boot prompt first time round. That worked, but (naturally), I got the standard text install. So, after reading this thread, I reinstalled, this time just hitting enter at the boot prompt.

While I'm not fussed over GUI installs, it looks quite good. Went though the early stages without problems (though it took a very long time over processing the lxde stuff for some reason). At the end of the install, it dropped to text mode. Is that how it is supposed to work, or was there a failure of some sort?

Since I hadn't been able to set the vga mode, the install seemed to be in 640x480 mode. It got as far as the X setup, then stopped. A bit of disk activity, but no further progress. Not sure why, but eventually I had to abort. In text mode vga=791 allowed the VM install to complete.

Most things seem to work, though I've not explored it too much yet. I'm not a great Gnome fan - hope Xfce comes back soon....

More later.

paul
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Vanger on August 11, 2008, 09:32:11 am
I second the ext3 woes in gparted. There is no way to make an ext3 partiton.
Some people will be disappointed by lack of reiser4 too.

First I tried to install distro in VMWare. gparted failed to partition both IDE and SCSI VMWare drives.
I am going home and will start testing on real hardware this evening.

P.S. Gnome?!?!?! WTF?!!!!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 09:34:52 am
P.S. Gnome?!?!?! WTF?!!!!
Seconded....

Especially since I still have a very vivid memory of the debates about getting rid of Gnome and ALL of it's stuff entirely during the development of 4.3.
Why come back on that at all?
Gnome, save for a few handy apps, is total garbage.
(And KDE is a close second...)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 11, 2008, 09:39:18 am
The gparted woes are solely due to gparted releated libs... I'm sure they'll get fixed as the release progresses. Bare with us people.... The new installer can't configure anything after the install just yet, which is why it will drop to text-mode for the fist boot I guess, and go from there on to the new install.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: nightflier on August 11, 2008, 10:19:08 am
P.S. Gnome?!?!?! WTF?!!!!

That was my initial reaction as well. However, the entire Gnome bulk is optional, so it's really not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 10:50:51 am
P.S. Gnome?!?!?! WTF?!!!!

That was my initial reaction as well. However, the entire Gnome bulk is optional, so it's really not that big of a deal.
I'll get back to that one as the last point in this post...

So,
I went with the ncurses-installation method(which I think should be default and the graphical being the optional one...) and managed to get through with it.
...
...
But it took bloody AGES!...

OK; point-by-point:
Code: [Select]
WARNING!
No modem could be detected!

On the plus side: Sofar, stuff seems to be working; I' m typing this from the fresh install.(In $$%&$%*&@ Gnome, no less....)
Will scold you guys more later on as I find more stuff to gripe about. ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: rbistolfi on August 11, 2008, 11:02:47 am
But it took bloody AGES!...

How much is that in mins or hours?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 11, 2008, 11:12:51 am
Once again the kernel used in 6.0 does not include the toshiba_acpi module.  That means that most Toshiba laptop users get to build their own kernel.  NOT GOOD!

I am very, very sorry to see VL without Xfce.  I like Xfce.  I don't like GNOME.  I do like what Zenwalk did:  their 5.2 version uses Xfce by default and then they have a separate GNOME edition.  Ubuntu did it the other way around but in either case Xfce was still a valid choice.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 11:28:41 am
But it took bloody AGES!...
How much is that in mins or hours?
Let me put it like this: Installing 5.9std took me some 20-25 minutes.
This beasty took me over an hour....

BUG!!!: Sound doesn't do squat!
Pulse tells me:
Code: [Select]
Connection failed! connection refused.Both in Gnome AND in Lxde.

And WTF is "pulse" exactly?
(Save for a disk-space-eater?)
What was wrong with ALSA? Jack?
Huh?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 11:34:45 am
Another thing I noticed:
In Lxde, there's an Opera-launcher in the launch-panel, suggesting this would be the default browser for the system(or this DE at least), but clicking the "Help Forum"-icon launches FireFox....
In Gnome, Opera's place has been taken by Epyphany?... What gives?!
CONSISTENCY, Gentlemen!
It's "Either/Or" , not "And/And"...

PS.- As far as I' m concerned, FireFox is ditched alltogether...
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 11:41:59 am
OK,
Another MAYOR gripe: The right-click menus in either DE suck rotten lemons.
Not even a "log out"-option...

I WANT MY XFCE BACK!!!


...or rather: IceWM/ROX....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: uelsk8s on August 11, 2008, 11:54:01 am
Once again the kernel used in 6.0 does not include the toshiba_acpi module.  That means that most Toshiba laptop users get to build their own kernel.  NOT GOOD!

VL has been compiling in the toshiba acpi, is there a reason it should be a module instead?
Quote
root:# cat boot/config-2.6.25.7 |grep TOSHIBA
CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m
CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=y
CONFIG_YENTA_TOSHIBA=y
CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR=m
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 11, 2008, 12:20:37 pm
Not at all.  Most distros include Toshiba_ACPI as a module.  If it's compiled in everything should work fine.  I didn't think to check that and I haven't exactly been testing 6.0 much yet.  Thanks for the clarification.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 11, 2008, 12:22:30 pm
I'm going to disagree with SuSe_Refugee on one thing:  Firefox should stay.  It's the most popular browser out there.

Epiphany is a good addition.  Opera isn't open source so, while I like it, it should either be optional or gone.  Netsurf, which I hope to package today, would be a good lightweight browser to add.  Unlike Dillo it's still in current development and in terms of capabilities it falls somewhere between Dillo and Opera, probably closer to Dillo.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 12:23:50 pm
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VL has been compiling in the toshiba acpi, is there a reason it should be a module instead?
Uhhhmmm....
...
*MOST* systems are NOT Toshiba Laptops, maybe?.....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 11, 2008, 12:28:22 pm
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VL has been compiling in the toshiba acpi, is there a reason it should be a module instead?
Uhhhmmm....
...
*MOST* systems are NOT Toshiba Laptops, maybe?.....

Yes, which is why I assumed module.  Compiled in does quate to kernel bloat.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: nightflier on August 11, 2008, 01:26:09 pm
...or rather: IceWM/ROX....

I can offer IceWM/PCManFM.  8)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 11, 2008, 01:40:39 pm
I'm going to disagree with SuSe_Refugee on one thing:  Firefox should stay.  It's the most popular browser out there.
"popular" !/ "Good"...
Can't tel about Epyphany; no experience with that one yet.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Lyn on August 11, 2008, 01:59:51 pm
OK,
Another MAYOR gripe: The right-click menus in either DE suck rotten lemons.
Not even a "log out"-option...

I WANT MY XFCE BACK!!!

...or rather: IceWM/ROX....

Having problems with install too, which is I think due to gparted, sounds like this is an issue we all have..... I can see the point in testing a version based on Gnome if we are going to have a Gnome delux or Soho version, but I think it really is too much for standard.  Like others I'd like XFCE back - or even IceWM/Rox, I can't be the only one who thought that Ice on VL5 looked great!  And they really are light weight.  I know this is a moving game and VL Light really is for the older machines out there (though I suspect ones greater than 233MHz machines).    Of course if the plan is that we test a base system for compatibilities with Gnome/KDE included and then take out the bigger Desktop environments and put back in a medium weight one like XFCE - and I'd love to see Icewm brought back.

Pulse audio seems to be the way to go for sound systems, this is progress I suppose but if its a resource hog then maybe we should have second thoughts on that.
Certainly keep Firefox, its popularity seems to demand that. 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 11, 2008, 11:17:33 pm
I really don't have time to go into testing right now, but I did anyway. :) I put VL 6 on a partition on my 1.33 GHz computer described below. First problem: I couldn't get the CD to boot on this machine. However, it did boot a commercial bootable CD and the VL CD I burned booted on another computer, so I think the problem is that the CD burner on this computer is getting flakier. I'm going to replace it soon.

So, since I couldn't boot from the CD, I tried the install from a Linux hard drive instead. (I have three Linux partitions on this computer--one for 5.9 Standard Deluxe, two for testing releases in development.) The installation from hard drive went fine. However, I was never offered a graphical installer. I had the same text installer as always--which is fine with me, but I wanted to see what the GUI installer is like.

I wanted to put LILO on a floppy disk and my attempts to do this during installation failed. Not having a CD that would boot and not wishing to write to the MBR, I was concerned about how I'd boot into VL 6. I told it not to reboot and to my relief, I got a command prompt. I then formatted a floppy disk after looking up the command on some printed sheets I have. I ran VASM and tried setting up LILO again. This time it worked on the freshly formatted floppy.

I rebooted and continued with setup. I tried to set up the proprietary ATI driver, which I don't think is compatible with my Radeon 9200 card, but it put up an error message that went by too fast to read. I haven't had a chance to see what driver actually is installed. I expected the graphical desktop would fail but it didn't. I'll check xorg.conf tomorrow.

Now----
I had no opportunity to choose between Gnome and lxde and had no idea how to start lxde. Typing startx got me into Gnome. I HATE that black wallpaper, hate it, hate it! I don't like dark wallpaper anyway, and this one is the darkest of the dark. I changed it right away. I should also mention that I always use a text login, so I have no idea what a graphical login looks like, nor do I care.

I've never cared for Gnome but am happy to have the libraries available and I won't use Gnome as my desktop environment, but I did look around. One thing that bothered me was that there were bunches of icons on the desktop and all the drives on my computer were mounted--without asking me. I don't want all my drives to be automounted. I did not mount any drives in VASM, so this happened without my knowledge.

I got out of Gnome pretty quickly and tried to start lxde, which I had never seen before. There is a major typo in the home directory .xinitrc file line 27 that returns a command not found if you startx after modifying the default desktop environment in VASM.

I was not impressed with lxde. Bring back XFce!!!! I love XFce and would prefer to have it as the default. As others have said, why the change? XFce is a middle ground between a real lightweight DE and the heavyweights Gnome and KDE. Some apps (Gimp, Gnumeric, AbiWord) use some Gnome libraries, but do we have to have the whole thing--and the default, yet?

I wanted to configure the way the clock displayed in lxde but it wasn't comprehensible to a simple user like me. It used that horrible %something Unix stuff that I don't understand. Why not something a normal person can understand, like we get with XFce? I don't like not having the desktop menu from a desktop right click, as we have in XFce. I could probably live with lxde with a lot of tweaking, but I won't because I'd most certainly install XFce at my earliest opportunity.

Where is a GUI Shutdown option in the desktop environments? All I could find was logout.

I look forward to seeing how the distro develops. I know this is just alpha.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Vanger on August 12, 2008, 01:35:55 am
More VMWare woes.
I've booted into text mode and partitoned the drive using cfdisk. Then I rebooted to graphic mode and set "Use existing partitions". System went installing fine, but froze on "writing /etc/fstab"
Installing in text mode now...
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: vector on August 12, 2008, 02:18:03 am
Well the obvious vote is we don't like gnome. OK we kind of force feed you on that one. Believe it or not some where around 50% of the linux user base uses gnome ubuntu fedora etc zenwalk just released a gnome edition  which got one very good review that I found. I have built xfce 4.4.2 based on this alpha so it has some gnome bits in it and I found this was xfce on steriods. Please try it.......do your update in gslapt then install it you can change your session in gdm by clicking on the session button and selecting xfce.  There are some settings left over from 5.9 so may look a little weird at first but go with it............change what you need too. I believe we are missing out on a lot of functionality without a gnome capable desktop so the next idea is xfce with gnome bits and pieces. I will reserve full gnome for soho along with kde4.1 so that should be a treat. We are working on the installer so next alpha release should be quit an improvement. In the mean time play with the new xfce and let us know the gnome apps we should include. My first choices would be evolution, rythmbox and gnomebaker............let us know your choices especially if you graduated from a gnome based distro and miss some things.
keep the comments coming............

thanks
Vector
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: toothandnail on August 12, 2008, 03:20:19 am
Thanks for the Xfce package. Generally looks good.

I've got a couple of problems with it. The Xfce terminal is unusable here (running with vesa in a virtualbox VM at present - no spare partitions for a normal install). I get a second minor window to the right of the main window, and all text has a sort of rainbow tint to it. Xterm is working ok.

Second, I've got a floppy iocn which I don't seem to be able to get rid of. Not sure if that is down to the VM or not. I'll have to investigate that one further.

There also seem to be a few icons missing in the default theme - I'm getting generic executable icons for the items on the toolbar, and I was also getting generic folder icons for several of the desktop icons.

:) Not bad for an alpha ....

On the subject of the installer, a way of setting the framebuffer mode before starting it would be useful, given the way it failed when defaulting to standard VGA when I tried it in a VM.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: blurymind on August 12, 2008, 04:55:47 am
if you have gnome bits, include firestarted as default firewall (disable vector's).Its the best on linux and you can easily set ics/ports/anything..
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Vanger on August 12, 2008, 04:56:10 am
http://s57.radikal.ru/i155/0808/78/40923bddc02d.jpg

There are too many sessions in gdm, don't you think?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: bigpaws on August 12, 2008, 06:44:23 am
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I believe we are missing out on a lot of functionality without a gnome capable desktop so the next idea is xfce with gnome bits and pieces.

Exactly what functionality is being missed out on? For burning K3B has
done everything ever asked of it.

IMHO changing to gnome because everyone else uses limits choice.

Bigpaws
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: uelsk8s on August 12, 2008, 08:43:53 am
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On the subject of the installer, a way of setting the framebuffer mode before starting it would be useful, given the way it failed when defaulting to standard VGA when I tried it in a VM.
try "l3 vga=791"
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 12, 2008, 10:00:13 am
In the mean time play with the new xfce and let us know the gnome apps we should include. My first choices would be evolution, rythmbox and gnomebaker............let us know your choices especially if you graduated from a gnome based distro and miss some things.

Evolution  -- yuck!  Slow, bloated, unwieldy.  OTH, it supports Exchange.  If you use it make sure you include an (optional) package for the Exchange connector.  I'd rather see Thunderbird for a mail client.

Gnomebaker -- inferior to K3B.  Stick with K3B.

Add:

grip --  much more functional and faster than ripperX.
dia (as an optional package)
xfce-xfapplet -- allows any GNOME applet to be used on an Xfce desktop.  (Very nice!)


I think the idea of offering the choice between GNOME and KDE in SOHO is a great one.   Xfce plus best of breed GNOME apps is what Wolvix does and it works out well.  Xfce for Standard (plus Fluxbox/JWM options) and LXDE for Light (plus Fluxbox/JWM) seems very reasonable to me.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 12, 2008, 10:07:14 am
And since when is the *ahem* popularity *cough* of a piece of software an indication of quality?
Do I really have to remind you, what's STILL the most "popular" OS?....

Firefox is STILL a bloated piece of disfunctional crap that NEEDS a ton of add-ons to make it usefull.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: The Headacher on August 12, 2008, 11:14:57 am
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And since when is the *ahem* popularity *cough* of a piece of software an indication of quality?
Never was.
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Do I really have to remind you, what's STILL the most "popular" OS?....
Linux isn't that great either. You often have to go to great lengths to get the same functionality that you get in Windows. If you can get it at all.
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Firefox is STILL a bloated piece of disfunctional crap that NEEDS a ton of add-ons to make it usefull.
Don't confuse opinions with fact. There have been browser wars in the past and there'll probably be in the future. Personally, I like Firefox and use it in both Windows and Linux. If it won't come with the next VL by default I'll slapt-get it though.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: nightflier on August 12, 2008, 11:20:51 am
And since when is the *ahem* popularity *cough* of a piece of software an indication of quality?
Do I really have to remind you, what's STILL the most "popular" OS?....

Firefox is STILL a bloated piece of disfunctional crap that NEEDS a ton of add-ons to make it usefull.

Maybe, but that popularity drives web site design. We should be thankful that this cross-platform browser has gained sufficient popularity to influence webmasters around the world to write for something besides IE. While FF is far from perfect, I think it will be welcomed by a lot of people and provide the best all-around browsing experience for the widest audience.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 12, 2008, 11:30:49 am
Don't confuse opinions with fact.
I'm not the one that's confused here:
Opera- Downloaded Slackware package: 7.8MB. comes with: email-client, web authoring tool, a cartload of functionalities.
Firefox- Download: 9.2 MB, just a browser, nothing more. To come even close to Opera's set of functionality; get ready for a night of downloading "add-ons".
That's spelled: "BLOAT"

You are confusing "marketing"with "quality".
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 12, 2008, 11:34:01 am
Maybe, but that popularity drives web site design. We should be thankful that this cross-platform browser has gained sufficient popularity to influence webmasters around the world to write for something besides IE. While FF is far from perfect, I think it will be welcomed by a lot of people and provide the best all-around browsing experience for the widest audience.

If webdesigners can't bring themselves to write their pages in PROPER html/php/whatever, they're not worth my attention.
Catering to FLAWS should be rooted out.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 12, 2008, 12:32:33 pm
Opera also isn't Open Source and as such many in the Linux community refuse to use it.

My experience with Firefox 2.x has been good and there are add ons to make it incredibly secure (i.e.: tor, privoxy) that don't work with Opera or other non-Gecko based browsers.  Granted we're using 9.50 beta code in VL 5.9 but Opera crashes on me fairly often and Firefox doesn't.  I agree that you are confusing your opinion and preference with facts.  Vector Linux devs should try to provide what the majority of their user community wants.  Take a poll and I think you'll find Firefox probably scores better than any other browser in THIS community.

FWIW, I like that VL provides a wide choice of browsers.  I hope the next edition will include Firefox, Opera, and Netsurf (to replace Dillo which is not currently being developed).
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2008, 07:42:16 pm
Installation went smooth. Yes that gui installer is somewhat hard to read.

As ususal with all slackies, except for VL-Life-CD, connection to the Internet having a Davicom eth card needed some prodding.
--rmmod tulip
--modprobe dmfe
--blacklist tulip
--enable dmfe in rc.modules
-- ../rc.inet1 start

CD-Player does not want to play, however, in terminal /usr/bin/cdda-player works.

There is a typo in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.lxde, it says slartlxde instead of startlxde and therefore won't start.

Otherwise all seems to function well. The vasm icon will not open unless one is in root. In terminal sudo vasm works.

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 12, 2008, 09:15:04 pm
I cannot understand the discussions about browsers, however I am glad that seamonkey is gone, never liked/used it. I am using firefox and opera interchangeable yet my main browser is dillo. If somebody misses a browser by all means install it.

Since I switched to slackware and now VL I always had gnome installed having become used to it from my Redhat days and it has great programs. Never used it as my desktop so, only the panel. My desktop is fluxbox with xfce4/gnome panel.

As for CD burners I only use xcdroast, tried others and did not like them.

Such is the beauty of Linux, --the multiple choices.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Vanger on August 13, 2008, 04:32:51 am
Pulseaudio offers many wine problems.
Also, I wasn't able to find any audioplayer (xmms, audacious, even noatun)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: stretchedthin on August 13, 2008, 10:47:13 am

I never did understand reviewers who slammed Vector because it had a text based installer.  Hopefully, this will be able to keep them quite when it is polished.

Starting with "Find installation media"
       I think a new user will be confused by "Select which distribution to install from the list below" really how many           
       distributions are we expecting to find on this CD.
        Maybe it could be worded...Click "Search Again" to find installation media, if it is not found automatically.
        after the list bar. Maybe something like..."Click next once media is discovered."

        There is a lot of room for coaching points on this page. Coaching the newbie on minimum disk space 
         requirements is good, unfortunately, the numbers provided may not be accurate.  I needed much more that 1800 mb for my root.

Disk Partitioning.
      I found this a little confusing. First of all, it assumes a new user would be comfortable with GParted without anything in the way of help points at all.

     Secondly, All the functions available from gparted are not even necessary.
After playing with this disk partitioning section till 4 in the morning trying to get GParted to format a partition to this or that, I found out the systems going to do it for me anyway after I click next.

     GParted needs only to be used to create the 3 partitions needed for the install, all of them can and should be unformatted.  All the formatting options, flags and labels is just confusing clutter.  Once the user sets up his 3 unformatted partitions he needs to be coached to click "apply" and then "next."  As it is now, I have to exit GParted by selecting Quit under the GParted drop down menu.

    The next window then is almost perfect.  It sees the 3 unformatted partitions and lets you choose both mount point and filesystem. (Including Ext3 which was not in Gparted.)  The only suggestion I have here is how hard would it be to have the mount points automatically selected. The smallest being the swap, The largest being /home if three partitions of /root if only two.  Little more math to it than that but you get the idea.

    After choosing Next I selected Full install and away I went. Then the surprises...
I first partitioned for a 128mb swap, 2000mb root, and 16gig, home.  The system errored out saying it ran out of space during the install.
Then I tried 128mb swap, 3000mb root and 15gig home. Again a system error, saying I ran out of space.
Finally, I tried 256 swap, 4000mb root and 14 gig home. This worked.

My last comment. Gnome with LXDE just does not make sense. If I have a computer powerful enough to get the most out of Gnome, why would I use LXDE.  The opposite, is also true, If I need lxde for a comfortable speed on an older computer, there is no way I can get good performance on that machine with gnome.

I agree with wcs, XFCE seems like the right fit for standard. Gnome Deluxe makes sense you could even charge for it.

It would be ideal for me if at the end of this testing process you come out with two releases. A traditional standard but now with an option to use a graphical installer, plus better compatibility with some prime gnome apps. And also a Gnome Deluxe version to complement the KDE Deluxe version. Which I would be happy to pay my 30 bucks for.




     


   

 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: abdula on August 13, 2008, 11:11:30 am
Hello.In Linuxes with kernel after 2.6.18 my usb modem zyxelp660 ru2 works fine.Your distib has 2.6.22 but modem does not work.I really want to use your distro?but i cannot unfortunatelly.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 13, 2008, 11:16:00 am
Finally... a meaningful report here ;)
Thanks stretchedthin


Starting with "Find installation media"
       I think a new user will be confused by "Select which distribution to install from the list below" really how many           
       distributions are we expecting to find on this CD.
        Maybe it could be worded...Click "Search Again" to find installation media, if it is not found automatically.
        after the list bar. Maybe something like..."Click next once media is discovered."
The installer actually searches for ISO images on the drives at run time, this allows you to install using an ISO and saves you a cd-r/cd-rw ;)

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        There is a lot of room for coaching points on this page. Coaching the newbie on minimum disk space 
         requirements is good, unfortunately, the numbers provided may not be accurate.  I needed much more that 1800 mb for my root.
I agree. This will get fixed though, it's just too early in development to do so ;)

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Disk Partitioning.
      I found this a little confusing. First of all, it assumes a new user would be comfortable with GParted without anything in the way of help points at all.

Gparted is probabbly as n00b friendly as you can get when it comes to partitioning. In the future, the installer will have some sort of a a partition "wizard" that will help the user create partitions by simply clicking "next" and maybe an auto-partition setup... in the future.
For now, we are limited to either gparted or some CLI utility like cfdisk or parted which are far less n00b friendly than gparted is.
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    Secondly, All the functions available from gparted are not even necessary.
After playing with this disk partitioning section till 4 in the morning trying to get GParted to format a partition to this or that, I found out the systems going to do it for me anyway after I click next.

     GParted needs only to be used to create the 3 partitions needed for the install, all of them can and should be unformatted.  All the formatting options, flags and labels is just confusing clutter.  Once the user sets up his 3 unformatted partitions he needs to be coached to click "apply" and then "next."  As it is now, I have to exit GParted by selecting Quit under the GParted drop down menu.

Actually, the formatting is optional from the installer itself. If you've already formatted your partitions, you can choose ("Do not format") from the installer and it will skip that step.

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    The next window then is almost perfect.  It sees the 3 unformatted partitions and lets you choose both mount point and filesystem. (Including Ext3 which was not in Gparted.)  The only suggestion I have here is how hard would it be to have the mount points automatically selected. The smallest being the swap, The largest being /home if three partitions of /root if only two.  Little more math to it than that but you get the idea.
This is a good idea, definitely something to consider for future development of this utility.

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    After choosing Next I selected Full install and away I went. Then the surprises...
I first partitioned for a 128mb swap, 2000mb root, and 16gig, home.  The system errored out saying it ran out of space during the install.
Then I tried 128mb swap, 3000mb root and 15gig home. Again a system error, saying I ran out of space.
Finally, I tried 256 swap, 4000mb root and 14 gig home. This worked.
Again, the information about the image/media needs to be updated. THis is done from the media itself, not from the installer, so the ISO needs to be fixed. Uelsk8s is on it ;)


Thanks for your input... really appreciated. Hope you consider riding out the testing cycle with us.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 13, 2008, 01:02:06 pm
I installed vector's XFce package and am happy again. :) Icons were missing. I copied over some directories of icons from my VL5.9 Deluxe partition on the same hard drive and now I have the icons I want.

Before I installed XFce I was in LXDE. I clicked on something and was offered the option to click on desktop to get a menu. I set it to do that, hoping it would work like XFce and give me the desktop menu (what you get from the "Start" menu on the taskbar), but instead I got a lame LXDE menu. I couldn't find a way to get rid of this and return to the behavior before I set it to get a menu with a desktop click. No matter to me, I won't be using LXDE, but if I were, I'd be upset that I couldn't get back to the prior behavior easily.

Now, in XFce--
I think others have mentioned that VASM isn't working right. If I click on the icon and select superuser, it asks for my password and just sits there forever. I was able to run it in a terminal. Also, the fonts are horrible and way too small for a person "of a certain age" like me.

The XFce Settings Manager had only a couple of icons before I copied over the contents of a couple of directories from my VL 5.9 partition.

I installed Opera from the opera.com Web site, as I always do (I don't use VL packages for that). When I tried to play some streaming audio (radio) Opera got stuck. I couldn't tell what was happening because I had no htop. I got things moving again by shutting down Opera processes with ps -e.

There's no Dillo. Is it gone for good? I didn't use it much but liked having it around. I can't see the point of including Epiphany, which looks like just another gecko browser. I do think we must have Firefox included because it's very popular and most Web sites work with it, whereas Opera and multimedia and some javascript are less likely to get along. I'd like to have SeaMonkey back. I think it's better looking than Firefox and works with most Web sites just like Firefox. It doesn't matter to me whether an Opera package is included because Opera is very easy to install from what's available on Opera's Web site.

The only thing I could find to play music files was MPlayer, and it didn't work with a pls stream I listen to very often. I downloaded and installed RealPlayer so I could listen to the music. I'd like to have AmaroK back, also Xine.

I tried to set up my printers with VASM and CUPS. When VASM launched Firefox, I got a 404 for the CUPS page. After trying http://localhost:631/printers I did get in, but it was the same look as we had off and on for the betas of 5.9 Standard, with all graphics missing. I did manage to set up my LJ4PS, but when I tried to install the PCL LJ4 and my Epson Stylus Color 760, I got "Unsupported format 'application/postscript'!" and nothing printed. Also, where are the printer drivers? All I got was one for PCL 4/5 and a generic Epson Stylus Color choice. I know this will be fixed--soon, I hope.

I MUST have Tuxcards and thought there was a package somewhere in the VL repos, but no luck. I also couldn't find tuxcards at slacky.it or linuxpackages.net. So I copied over the files from my VL 5.9 partition and Tuxcards is working fine.

I didn't try to set up my nfs home network yet. Will probably let that go till the next testing release. Internet connection is working fine. This is an easy computer to set up, though. The real test will come when I try to get wireless going on my laptop. It's way too early to test that out, as I have just one Linux partition on it and I can't risk having anything nonfunctional.

In my earlier message I mentioned having the ATI proprietary driver built but getting an error message. It turns out VL gracefully installed the xorg Radeon driver all on its own, which is why the GUI started without problems even though the proprietary ATI installation failed (as I expected it to, but tried anyway). This is a Radeon 9200 card. xorg picked up the 1280x1024 of my LCD monitor with no intervention from me.

Will report more as I test more. I think it's working quite well for the first public alpha.

A few more thoughts on Standard, Gnome, etc. I like the way Standard has been, not including Gnome or KDE except for whatever is necessary for applications like AbiWord, Gimp, Gnumeric, AmaroK, and K3B. Having packages in the repo for installing more of KDE suits me fine. I always add kdelibs and kdebase so I can have Konqueror for access to Windows partitions on other computers on the home network without having to set up Samba. I don't want all of KDE, just enough to run whatever KDE stuff I want to have. I'd like to do the same with Gnome but we haven't had packages in the repo and I had bad experiences with adding Dropline Gnome years ago and didn't do much with whatever Gnome was recommended after that.

I suggest having XFce as the default for Standard, with another lighter alternative included in the ISO. Then have packages for other desktops in the repo for those who want them. Include as much of KDE or Gnome as necessary for things like K3B (which I like very much), Gimp, etc. I see Standard as a not-too-heavy system that provides full function out of the box, with the capability of becoming whatever we want. KDE and Gnome should be available but not forced on us.

Thanks to everyone who is working on this! Thanks especially for XFce. I'm not sure I could have gone through the entire beta cycle if I had to use LXDE or Gnome.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: stretchedthin on August 13, 2008, 01:07:47 pm
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Actually, the formatting is optional from the installer itself. If you've already formatted your partitions, you can choose ("Do not format") from the installer and it will skip that step.

 Yes, that cool. Especially when hoping to preserve information on your /home partition.

I also like the installers gui better when it comes to mount points and choosing filesystems. Much more intuitive than GParted, I think.

Is it, however,  a little redundant to have the ability to format a file system in two different areas?

I'm going to ignore any install scenario where the user wants to use there existing partitions, because I think there is more opportunity, for improvement on the Modify disk partitions side.

New user with only windows partition.
        Starts the install process selects his media and clicks next. Then...
        Chooses Modify partitions option...
        The user then sees a new window asking if he wants to...
        a) Install Vector Linux as dual/multi boot along with other OS(s).
        b) Delete all install Vector Linux only.
        c) Just open the partition manager and leave me to it. I know what I am doing.

The only thing that changes depending on the selection is the coaching dialog that is shown in the space at the bottom of the GParted partition window.

Now here is another twist.  Let's say that GParteds functionality was limited to only creating unformatted partitions.

Scenario 1.
  User chooses a)
           GParted opens up. Coaching at bottom of window reminds user that they should have defragged windows before going any further.  Tells them to shirink the partition to create min x amount of space. Create 3 partitions in that space..suggesting sizes. Then click next.

          When next is clicked GParted makes the sizes in the new partition all as unformated.
          The installer window sees the 3 unformated partitions and assumes based on size the mountpoints for each.
          The user then simply chooses the file format clicks next and away it goes.

Scenario 2.
  User chooses b)
          Well I'm sure you get the idea, coaching changes, unformated partitions are set and the installer takes over after you click next.

Well, I don't know if this idea will have the legs to go the distance, but thought I'd put it out there.

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I'Thanks for your input... really appreciated. Hope you consider riding out the testing cycle with us.
Your welcome! I've been a fan for some time now, and I'll be happy to do what I can.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 13, 2008, 01:13:37 pm
@GrannyGeek:  Dillo is no longer being developed.  I've found that Netsurf is a better lightweight browser that has a little more functionality than Dillo and it's still being worked on.  The Slackware 12.1 package at http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/network/netsurf/1.2/ (http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/network/netsurf/1.2/) works properly in both VL 5.9 and 6.0alpha0.5.  Check it out.

I am packaging this for VL and have suggested it for the 6.0 iso.  I ran into a problem with packaging lemon (a dependency, included in the above package so you don't need to go find it) and ran out of time to sort it out.  That's the only reason I haven't posted 5.9 and 6.0 packages yet.  Anyway, check out the Slackware package.  I'd be curious to know what you think of it.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 13, 2008, 01:39:04 pm
@GrannyGeek:  Dillo is no longer being developed.  I've found that Netsurf is a better lightweight browser that has a little more functionality than Dillo and it's still being worked on.  The Slackware 12.1 package at http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/network/netsurf/1.2/ (http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/network/netsurf/1.2/) works properly in both VL 5.9 and 6.0alpha0.5.  Check it out.

I am packaging this for VL and have suggested it for the 6.0 iso.  I ran into a problem with packaging lemon (a dependency, included in the above package so you don't need to go find it) and ran out of time to sort it out.  That's the only reason I haven't posted 5.9 and 6.0 packages yet.  Anyway, check out the Slackware package.  I'd be curious to know what you think of it.

I don't know if I'll have time to try out Netsurf. I don't need and seldom use lightweight browsers but I liked Dillo when I wanted something that opened instantly (instead of taking 2 seconds like the others<g>).
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 13, 2008, 01:44:38 pm
I really can't limit gparted's functionality for this ... other than not giving it it's deps, but I'm not sure that's safe..

LIke I said, there are many ways to improve this, and the first release will definitely not be the best ever, but our goal is to put out one that will get the job done as a base... and we can move from there.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: stretchedthin on August 13, 2008, 02:13:22 pm
Thanks MOE-lnx
I'll keep it a little more practical going forward.

It's only been 3 years since I switched to linux and starting with Ubuntu, I really didn't learn anything about partitioning.  One thing I liked about the text installer is I came out of the process having learned something.

The humorous coaching points are a Vector Linux Trademark, I feel.  It would be great if that kind of fun-while you learn kind of stuff can be worked into the gui installer as well.

Really interested in seeing what direction you take this, I'll be downloading the next beta as soon as it hits the servers. 
 

Is 6.0 going to remain slackware 12.0 based or is it going to use 12.1?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 13, 2008, 02:18:15 pm
I'm sure the base will be changing...
The idea is to put out a basic GUI isntaller at first and keep developing the installer along with the distro until we get it shaped as we want it. (good looking, easy to use and efficient i would say)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: sparkyhall on August 13, 2008, 02:28:20 pm
Having come from the slow brown one a few months go I was keen to see how quick gnome was in blue.

Burned CD at 4x to be safe, reboot “boot from atapi cd-rom” appears then I end up at my normal grub menu. Burn a second cd from fresh download, same happens again. This seemed rather strange  as I have never had any issues booting from a cd on this pc before. Try my VL5.9 cd and that boots OK. I then try the VL6.0 cd in my old thinkpad 600, this time it boots but ends up with a kernel panic so no go on this either, not a good start.

Eventually I copy the isolinux folder to my hard drive and point grub at the appropriate files and I'm away. Well I have to say this is far less intimidating than the ncurses system but as others have said the text is difficult to read and things get a little messy around gparted. After a quick look at gparted I opted not to format at the next stage as I had already formated the partition prior to the install.

Installation went smoothly and as always I had to edit xorg.conf to get the resolution I use. I decided to re-boot just to make sure all was well and I get bad /etc/fstab.....hmmm. A quick look in fstab revealed that instead of  “/dev/hda7 / ext3 defaults 0 1” for the file system I have “/dev/hda7 /  do not format defaults 0 1”. Fixing this allows me to boot once more so all pretty painless really....well apart from getting the installation started that is.

If the devs want me try anything to help solve the boot issue just ask but only look into if it's worth the time and effort as I have a work arround that's good enough for me.

Chris
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 13, 2008, 02:31:31 pm

Installation went smoothly and as always I had to edit xorg.conf to get the resolution I use. I decided to re-boot just to make sure all was well and I get bad /etc/fstab.....hmmm. A quick look in fstab revealed that instead of  “/dev/hda7 / ext3 defaults 0 1” for the file system I have “/dev/hda7 /  do not format defaults 0 1”. Fixing this allows me to boot once more so all pretty painless really....well apart from getting the installation started that is.


This is definitely a bug in the code.

Thank you for reporting ;)

if you want to fix it, just replace the "do not format" with ext3 (or whatever yoru partition type is)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Sty on August 13, 2008, 04:12:07 pm
Well, I know I'm less reliable than y'all would like, but hopefully I can help out some before school starts back up again.  My initial findings on VL 6.0 A 0.5 :)

Experiences with install:
1)   State “Hit Enter for GUI Install.”  I may be a real nub, but I just followed the instructions and would hit F1 then linux and for some reason kept getting the text installer, haha.
2)   Under custom install, maybe include a small window on the right of what that package includes, etc.  Perhaps, if possible, allow you to choose specific packages from there.  So you have a “master” install of everything gnome, then to the right you can have this game, that program, etc.  In my humble opinion this would be a nice clean way to do things.
3)   For individual packages: description window to the right.  When you click on the package name, you get a description, does not “check” or “uncheck” until you click the box though.
4)   Prepare Host: this step doesn’t make much sense to a newb like me.  Also, wasn’t expecting to start installing right away, got used to the hundred warnings I suppose.
5)   Install Operating System: The “Total Progress Bar” is slightly out of the window on my computer.  The master box ends higher than the bar sits, if that makes sense.  ----________-----  To give an example.  Numbers in the Total Progress Bar are hard to make out.
6)   While waiting for it to install: perhaps change the penguins a bit.  Make them a little more in touch with the steps, if that makes sense.
7)   We need a cleaner way to configure the system.  The exit installer can be confusing.
8)   During Sound Card Detection I got the following: [mntent]: line 20 in /etc/fstab is bad (line break, though starting directly below and to the right [as if there was no line break]) Updating raria(line break)n database…done.  This stayed on the screen through sound card selection.
9)   Had errors installing the FGLRX driver (will detail later)
10)   LILO is horribly distorted for me…
11)   Seem to be stuck at “Loading linux” right after LILO, have a blinking cursor, going to wait and let it try and do its thing while I run an errand, may need to try reinstall…
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: aryr100 on August 13, 2008, 06:14:15 pm
installed on a lenovo R61
there is a error in installer if you click the mount windows partitions sorry did not write it down
after install wifi does not work installed iwlwifi-3945 & 4965 from repo's now wifi is working with VLwifi
but the wifi icon on my laptop is not lighting up worked on vl5.9 ok
gnome is becoming poplar again  ;D
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Megamieuwsel on August 13, 2008, 09:15:46 pm
On the topic of partitioning;
Why specifically gparted and not cfdisk?
cfdisk is a lot more intuitive to me (reminds me of the old "fdisk" in DOS, but better....) and, I assume, to most people out there.
Gparted will be a tad too intimidating to people , not very familiar with partitioning.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: gacurt on August 13, 2008, 10:56:37 pm
Installation didn't seem all that much slower if at all than 5.9. Installation went well, system boots fine. I agree the new installer will make some people more comfortable, and that it should be an explained option at the initial command line.  Am by no means a poweruser, just muddling through and the text based installer was fine for me, and 5.9 was the second functional Linux install I had after PCL2007.  Will play with it more once wireless gets up.    I read the sticky in Networking forum - adapter shows up in lsusb, depmod -aq, modprobe rt73usb, alias wlan0 rt73usb, could not find ifplugd. Decided to try ndiswrapper - command not found.
Works perfectly in 5.9 standard and light rc1 using ndiswrapper.   
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 14, 2008, 02:02:03 am
It will not print.

trying to print a test page I get: unsupported format 'application/postscript'

cat file|lpr I get: unsupported format 'text/plain'

Configured with cups and printers.conf is the same as in VL-5.9/5.8.
Printer is Epson LQ-300.

Print queue stays empty, status: Epson is ready, no entries.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 14, 2008, 05:55:58 am
Experiences with install:

2)   Under custom install, maybe include a small window on the right of what that package includes, etc.  Perhaps, if possible, allow you to choose specific packages from there.  So you have a “master” install of everything gnome, then to the right you can have this game, that program, etc.  In my humble opinion this would be a nice clean way to do things.
This is in the works... already done for the individual packages... but need to do the bulk packages here.
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3)   For individual packages: description window to the right.  When you click on the package name, you get a description, does not “check” or “uncheck” until you click the box though.
This is done (will show up in future ISO's I presume
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4)   Prepare Host: this step doesn’t make much sense to a newb like me.  Also, wasn’t expecting to start installing right away, got used to the hundred warnings I suppose.
This is just to inform the user that a few steps are being done (like formatting partitions, mounting target and so on) dont want the user to think the installer just hung
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5)   Install Operating System: The “Total Progress Bar” is slightly out of the window on my computer.  The master box ends higher than the bar sits, if that makes sense.  ----________-----  To give an example.  Numbers in the Total Progress Bar are hard to make out.
can you tell what screen resolution it was running on? maybe hard to tell by just looking at it... but it would help if I knew
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6)   While waiting for it to install: perhaps change the penguins a bit.  Make them a little more in touch with the steps, if that makes sense.
Now there is something that's hard to do... this is because it would involve having a lot of little graphics and I think they're too small to see any detail anyway... but i'm open to suggestions.
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7)   We need a cleaner way to configure the system.  The exit installer can be confusing.
True... but that was implemented purely for testing purposes... when finished, the installer will configure the system too ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Sty on August 14, 2008, 04:41:19 pm
Ok, I must agree with the complaints about the install being slow.  My machine is no slouch, Intel Core2Duo e6600 (I think, been a while), 4 GB Ram, 10k RPM install drive, SATA DVD Burner, and the install still seemed to take time.  Gnome seemed to be the hold up.  Install took me about 40-45 minutes, virtually no difference between GUI and TUI installs.  (I installed about 3 times trying to see if I could figure out what I was doing wrong with LILO).  In comparison, 5.9 Standard Deluxe takes about 30 minutes.

For some reason I can't get LILO to work from the Alpha disc.  Finally going back to my 5.9 disc I was able to get it working.  On that note, I really don't like that greyed boot up screen.

The error I got during video config was:
make[2]: *** [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.13'
make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2
build failed with return value 2
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.


Now that I have it going, what all should I do to be of value to y'all?

My system specs:
Motherboard: ASUS P5B Deluxe
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6600, 2.4GHz
RAM: Patriot 4x1GB DDR2-800
Video: (Sapphire) ATi Radeon HD 2900 Pro
Hard Drive: WD Raptor 10k RPM, 36GB
Monitor: Dell 2105FPW (20.1" Widescreen 1680x1050 Native)

Lemme know if there's any other specs / information y'all need.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Sty on August 14, 2008, 08:00:49 pm
Ok, finally had a chance to read the rest of this thread and play with the alpha some more.
Over all things are going well for me, I have not had the problems with VASM that others have reported, works just fine for me.
I enjoy having Gnome around, other than the OS being sparse (to be expected), I haven’t had a problem with it.  At first I was a little turned off by it, but I come from a Windows background with KDE and XFCE being my primary linux desktops.  After a little while though, it’s grown on me.  I don’t want to see it gotten rid of.
Firefox.  Why all of the hate for this browser?  I actually am a big fan, being responsible for Web Development with my company among other things, I use Firefox very heavily and will be most disappointed if it leaves the Vector community.  Whereas some seem to believe that add-ons are a problem, I rather enjoy them, in fact several of them are the reason I use Firefox over other browsers.  So, let’s keep the ole boy around, eh guys?
Tuxcards, first thank you GrannyGeek, I have been looking for a program like this for a LONG time.  In fact, Onenote has been one of the big reasons I keep Windows!
Programs, off the top of my head, I would like to see incorporated:
•   Evolution
•   Firefox
•   Opera
•   AmoraK
•   Xine
•   Xara Xtreme (any chance of having this included again?)
•   Tuxcards

Hope this helps!

~Sty
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: lagagnon on August 15, 2008, 11:56:42 am
VL6 A0.5 Testing, My Comments
=====================

Philosophy
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OK, I've been out of the loop for a while and have had no input to what VL6 actually will be. I am assuming this version is our "Standard" version. My concern is using Gnome. I get Gnome requiring 256MB just to boot up with 134 MB of RAM used (excluding cached memory). This  compares to VL5.9 SOHO (with KDE) using only 111MB of RAM. So it appears as though our Standard version, is now using even more RAM than our SOHO version! OK, I understand we are providing LXDE, but it is using 81MB of RAM, much the same as xfce did on VL5.9 Standard. So we seem to have upped the memory usage significantly. Admittedly, there are more processes - ssh and the samba daemons are now running by default. But maybe we are getting away from being a fast distro for older machines. I understand we now have a VL Light version, but I am just raising this memory issue here to point out where we are headed.

Installer
=====
I used vinstall-iso and the text installer so will comment about graphical installer another time. Text installer went funny at Let's Configure the System screen. ASCII characters went crazy for a few screens. Anyone else noticed this? I will reload later to see if this was just a glitch, but it is a serious concern if not something just on my system.

Gnome
====
1) vasm missing from menu (in LXDE also)
2) xpdf a bit dated. What about a better pdf viewer?
3) do we really need to provide 3 browsers?
4) applications, programming, leafpad: it's really just an editor! What about providing geany and bluefish?
5) applications, system tools, manage printing: throws error: "failed to execute htmlview"
6) urxvt: replace with mrxvt for multiple tabbed terminals?
7) places, home folder: throws error: "could not open, no default application associated..."
8) gslapt: throws error: package_data: no such file....
9) system, help: takes over 15 seconds to load on a fast machine? Why?
10) system. lock screen: does not work.

LXDE
===

- right click on desktop, desktop settings: throws error: "/etc/bootsplash/themes/RA/images: no such file..."

OTHER
====

-login screen, Sessions button has more Window Mangers listed than are actually installed in the system
-VASM, SUPER does not work from icon launch
-VASM: has much cruder font than we had in VL5.9 - what happended?

Larry
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Masta on August 15, 2008, 06:58:13 pm
http://s57.radikal.ru/i155/0808/78/40923bddc02d.jpg

There are too many sessions in gdm, don't you think?
I think removing the un needed .desktop files from the sessions directory will cure that
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Installer
=====
I used vinstall-iso and the text installer so will comment about graphical installer another time. Text installer went funny at Let's Configure the System screen. ASCII characters went crazy for a few screens. Anyone else noticed this? I will reload later to see if this was just a glitch, but it is a serious concern if not something just on my system.
I did experience this too, but thought it was how I went about things. Seems that the installer might have some sort of X hold as it shifts back to the text installer. I'm not sure this matters, because at boot prompt there will be an installer option to select between the two types of installers. But to verify that you're not the only one to see this. [letters-n-symbols in the shape of the dialog boxes]
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 17, 2008, 01:01:22 am
In Gnome Desktop on panel >System >Administration >Gslapt Package Manager will open the window to enter root password, however, not gslapt. On terminal 'sudo /usr/sbin/gslapt' will open.

As root >System >Administration >Gslapt Package Manager does open gslapt.

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 18, 2008, 12:50:27 am
I am somewhat confused. I reported that cdrom is not playing and gslapt will not open from the gnome-panel. In fact yesterday I could not get any sound out of the system al all. The day before I could use skype.

Today I booted again VL-6.0alpha and there is sound, cdrom playing. Gslapt started from the gnome-panel on first try, however, not anymore on succeeding attempts.

I have not changed any settings from the first install except installed some programs like joe, totem, gthumb and frozen-bubbles.

I will keep on reporting further on the mood of this VL version.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Dweeberkitty on August 18, 2008, 06:56:49 pm
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You should post this release to Distrowatch. It doesn't matter if it's ready for people to use, they don't expect an alpha version to be, or if anyone downloads it. What matters is that VL gets it's name out there and people get accustomed to seeing it.
I disagree, posting about every early testversion on Distrowatch will just mean people will think we're big spammers. There's so much versions of VL out now, you can post something every day if Uel has a good week :).

Also, I am used to seeing *buntu there, but I never ever click a single one of them.

True, you might not click on the ubuntu alpha releases, but others do. If people get used to seeing VL's name all the time, they will come check it out. Guaranteed we'd get more visitors and almost certainly more converts.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: caitlyn on August 18, 2008, 08:23:42 pm
Alpha and beta releases are commonly posted on Distrowatch.  I doubt anyone would object or think VL is spamming.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Masta on August 20, 2008, 07:21:31 pm
Alpha and beta releases are commonly posted on Distrowatch.  I doubt anyone would object or think VL is spamming.
Actually I think we were once already accused of "spamming" DW with our "many versions". We don't really get the center page on DW anyways, look where the Light is always at.... the side release colum.. where does ubuntu , fedora, and the other big mouthed distros go? Yeah you betcha  ;)

So really, I don't think it matters much if DW is notified about VL testing releases or not, it's probably NOT going to get posted, and even if it does, it would probably get shoved onto the side and at the bottom of the list while the big mouthed ones get the center AND the side (and that assumes there's room after the "favorites" get listed  ;) ) .

I'm all for exposure of VL, it very well deserves it. I think the best way to accomplish this is to have a community that constantly makes sure that places like DW get their act together.
Pester them !! Let them know you want to see it out there on their web pages. The more that do this, the more the chances it will be heard. Furthermore, the more places this is done at, the more places it will likely be.

Couple of Coins  :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 21, 2008, 07:14:59 pm
In vasm services for different run levels cannot be activated since in /sbin the symlink @service to /etc/rc.d/service is missing. I put it there now and activation is started.

Futher I thought this thread for VL-6 alpha should be used as a testing ground, yet I find lengthy discussions about the merits of some programs and how to expose VL more in the media. Should such subject not be handled under different threads?

I reported that I can't print and never got a reply, or is it noticed silently and possibly corrected in the next testing release?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Masta on August 22, 2008, 01:57:34 am
In vasm services for different run levels cannot be activated since in /sbin the symlink @service to /etc/rc.d/service is missing. I put it there now and activation is started.
Good catch with a solution there. I wondered where that went.

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Futher I thought this thread for VL-6 alpha should be used as a testing ground, yet I find lengthy discussions about the merits of some programs and how to expose VL more in the media. Should such subject not be handled under different threads?
Oops   :-[

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I reported that I can't print and never got a reply, or is it noticed silently and possibly corrected in the next testing release?
May not be fixed in next testing release, but certainly will be before final. Perhaps around RC stages. It didn't go unnoticed .

Every bug reported is read, and added to a "checklist" (there isn't a real checklist per say, but bear with me on the explanation). As things get resolved and it gets nearer to the final, we then go back over reread to see if anything was missed. So please keep the reports coming in and thanks  :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 23, 2008, 07:44:09 pm
I just tried a few times the program vburn and I think it's really cool. I will make it my standard burner instead of xcdroast.

Just a suggestion, the explanations are a little scant for my IQ.

Otherwise well done Nightflyer.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on August 23, 2008, 08:01:54 pm
In /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall iptables are listed to be at /sbin/ instead of /usr/sbin causing errors.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: vector on August 28, 2008, 10:39:30 pm
Have been playing with some possible themes for vl 6 what do you think of this............ :)

http://imagebin.ca/view/SInOay.html

cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Lyn on August 29, 2008, 12:05:42 am
I rather like it....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 29, 2008, 05:02:01 am
Honest truth???

Not a big fan of it. Too much of that dark grey color, and the blue bg for the menues is not so appealing to me.

Nothing like a clearlooks theme ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: lagagnon on August 29, 2008, 07:00:07 am
Have been playing with some possible themes for vl 6 what do you think of this............ :)

http://imagebin.ca/view/SInOay.html

cheers,
Vec

Very nice, I like it!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Masta on August 29, 2008, 05:34:13 pm
Here's one in the works. It is not even half way completed (at the time of this screen shot). Just another idea we were playing around with for themes. It's  based on the one Vector has shown. At this time it's obviously way too blue, but as I stated, it's incomplete, but ideas / comments to enhance this are very welcomed.
http://imagebin.ca/view/KeItmRuU.html (http://imagebin.ca/view/KeItmRuU.html)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Sty on August 29, 2008, 10:20:45 pm
I like Vec's theme.  I would suggest a lighter color (off-white / grey-white) for the actual window area, sorta like how the forums do it.  Other than that, it has a nice feel to it. :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 30, 2008, 12:00:21 am
I don't like the dark backgrounds and the blue parts are too dark for my taste, too.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Lyn on August 30, 2008, 05:37:40 am
how about one dark theme and one light theme?  Quite liked the blue used in 5.8
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Joe1962 on September 05, 2008, 10:37:28 am
All I ask is that we steer away from Vista/XP/OSX themes and widgets. Let's give Linux it's own look, please.... ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: uelsk8s on September 05, 2008, 12:29:55 pm
All I ask is that we steer away from Vista/XP/OSX themes and widgets. Let's give Linux it's own look, please.... ;)

Amen  :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Joe1962 on September 05, 2008, 12:35:14 pm
All I ask is that we steer away from Vista/XP/OSX themes and widgets. Let's give Linux it's own look, please.... ;)

Actually, when I came in to read Uelsk8s' post, I figured I better be a bit clearer. I actually meant, widget themes, window decors and icon sets.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 05, 2008, 03:46:53 pm
I wrote a message yesterday with the results of the day's testing but somehow it got lost in the ether. I'll include those results along with today's.

I copied a few of the libraries mplayer complained were missing when started from a terminal. I gave up when it wanted a library not on my VL 5.9 partition on this computer (where mplayer is working). I'll wait until a new release of VL 6 includes the needed libraries. Meanwhile, Xine is working for playing music and I've installed AmaroK from the repos and RealPlayer from real.com.

There is no htop and no photo viewer in this release. I installed htop and GQview from the repos. Both seem to be working fine. I downloaded Picasa for Linux from Google. They no longer have a bin version, just rpms and debs. I ran rpm2tgz on the version I downloaded and installed it. Everything looked okay, but when I tried to start Picasa from a terminal prompt nothing happened. Didn't start, no hard drive activity, no error message. I tried various ways to start it (including as root) but nothing worked and I got no error messages to hint why this was. I finally gave up and uninstalled it. I then installed the latest Wine from our repos, downloaded the Windows version of Picasa, and installed that under Wine. Works fine.

Installing a printer from VASM has the same problems as in the last alpha. You get a 404 from the browser, but if you add /admin or /printers to the localhost address you get into the CUPS screens. The graphics are missing, though, just as in the last alpha and in some of the betas for VL 5.9. Very few printers are included. I was able to install my PostScript LJ4 just because I have an HP PPD for it. I hope the rest of the CUPS parts will be in the next release because I'm eager to test printing, plus it's hard for me to make full use of this version without being able to print.

When I start VASM from the desktop icon (the panel icon for VASMCC doesn't work), the resulting window is very small and I have to resize it in order to type my root password and resize it again when VASM comes up. This is annoying.

I installed several of my must-have programs from a few sources. I downloaded a Slackware package for OOo 2.4.1 from linuxpackages.net and installed it. Seems to be working as expected. I installed TextMaker from SoftMaker Office and it's working. I installed Scribus 1.3.3.12 from my own compilation made on a different computer. It complained that there was no GhostScript, so I installed ESP GhostScript, GPL GhostScript, and Gutenprint from our repos. Scribus was now happy and is doing well. I also installed Inkscape .46 that I compiled on another computer. As I started it from a terminal, I had many, many missing libraries. I copied all of them over from my VL 5.9 partition on this computer and Inkscape is now working as expected.

I was hoping that Ghostscript and Gutenprint would enable me to install more printers in CUPS, but no such luck. I did install the driver for my Epson Stylus Color 760 but when I attempted to print a test page, I got a "Unsupported format 'application/postscript'!" from the browser. Looking at Jobs, nothing was sent. So I guess more parts of CUPS are missing than just the drivers. Maybe this will change when I restart the computer.

I installed K3B and Amarok from our repos. It wasn't smooth sailing. There were several dependencies to be installed and GSlapt downloaded all of them but would usually hang after installing a couple. I had to kill the GSlapt process. Then I would start GSlapt again and continue with the installation. It would install another downloaded package and hang again. I had to repeat the process several times before K3B and Amarok were installed.

I installed Google Earth for Linux. I can run it as root but not as user. I don't know why, as the permissions looked okay. I do get this message when I start Google Earth from a terminal:

do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
Try running with LIBGL_THROTTLE_REFRESH and LIBL_SYNC_REFRESH unset.

Of course, it doesn't tell me how to unset those two things, whatever they are. :(  As root, it works nevertheless. As user, it loads, puts up a startup tip screen but no type is visible, and loads the program window, which immediately disappears. No messages as to why. I haven't checked the log files yet. Maybe there'll be something there. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9200 with 128 megs. I'm using the xorg radeon driver. I get about 1300 FPS from glxgears running in a window.

VL 6 alpha has been very stable. No system crashes. Not many program crashes. I'm happy with it.

I haven't found anything special in VL 6, though. What exactly is this new version going to gain for us? I'm just curious.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: pevsner on September 05, 2008, 06:43:40 pm
Hi,

Regarding the theme: I personally dont like vista"esque", seems dated already, but I always change themes anyhow.
My personal favorite gtk,icon & xfwm theme is "nimbus" from sun-opensolaris. There are versions on xfce-look.
http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus?content=87634 (http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus?content=87634). Looks sweet with vector under the hood.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on November 22, 2008, 05:48:02 pm
Installed VL6.0-STD-A0.35.iso and found that I could not print with my parallel printer
connceted to an USB port via an adapter cable.

In cups the entry in devices for USB printer connections is missing. It is present in VL-5.8
and slackware-12.1.

Installing from hosted iso the installation went fine until it reached the point for lilo. The screen
started scrolling showing all kind of .tgz programs running diagonally. When it stopped
I scrolled up found the lilo window entered my 'Do not install lilo' and continued from there.

Glad to see that at last xterm is behaving as it is intended to do. :-) :-)

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0 alpha testing ground
Post by: Pita on November 22, 2008, 05:57:26 pm



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Posted it first on testing ground which seems not to be active.

Installed VL6.0-STD-A0.35.iso and found that I could not print with my parallel printer
connected to an USB port via an adapter cable.

In cups the entry in devices for USB printer connections is missing. It is present in VL-5.8
and slackware-12.1.

Installing from hosted iso the installation went fine until it reached the point for lilo. The screen
started scrolling showing all kind of .tgz programs running diagonally. When it stopped
I scrolled up found the lilo window entered my 'Do not install lilo' and continued from there.

Glad to see that at last xterm is behaving as it is intended to do. :-)

Regards