VectorLinux

Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: Masta on September 01, 2008, 11:50:52 pm

Title: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Masta on September 01, 2008, 11:50:52 pm
Please post bugs and comments about the installer here.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 05:17:56 am
This is initial only - installed the new alpha to a VirtualBox VM (under a Zenwalk host).

Installer looks good, though the command line I was given for the earlier alpha (l3 vga=791) didn't work to set the framebuffer mode.

Install seemed pretty slow in places, but that may simply be VB. The honour roll (people concerned with the project) doesn't scroll - gets just past Vec and stays there for the rest of the install).

The progress bar was a bit strange, but again this may be VB.

When entering root password, the confirmation entry was visible as plain text, no stars to conceal the entry.

Other than that, it looks pretty good so far....

I'll create a new partition and try a 'real' install as soon as I can make a bit of space (the laptop is a bit full at the moment - XP Pro, Zenwalk, VL 5.9 Standard, VL5.9 SOHO, VL6.0 dyn7). I need to clear a bit of space, and burn an iso, since I installed direct from the download iso.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on September 02, 2008, 09:21:57 am
I tried using the gui installer on the same machine I used to install the previous alpha.  This time I get as far as the splash screen "Vector Linux" "Loading Gui Installer" and then my monitor goes haywire, like an analog tv during an electrical storm.

The odd thing is I had no such problem in the previous alpha.

My machine is a laptop running a Mobile intel Pentium 4-m cpu 2.2ghz
with i915 Intel Graphics.

I will have to load the old fashion way on the laptop for now.  I will try the gui installer on my desktop instead.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 10:15:05 am
Bad bug - just installed to the metal rather than in a VM. When I got to the boot loader config, I selected not to install Lilo (since I have my own Grub setup which I prefer to use). I got a 'success' message (which confused me a bit), and found that the installer had ignored me and overwritten the MBR. After recovering, I tried a second install (I'm nothing if not masochistic...). By deselecting all the suggested menu entries, I got an error message that Lilo failed to install, and this time it didn't overwrite the MBR. Not pretty. That needs to be fixed urgently.

I'm also getting a configuring message - 'configuring unknown vendor lunkonwn device' (spelling errors in the original message). Not sure what it thought it was configuring...

After the first reboot, and the final configuration stages, the system sat for ages. Eventually it went through, but would not start Xfce. I could get into Ldxe, but attempting to load Xfce took me back to the login prompt every time.

I tried another install, which locked up completely after the final (text mode) configuration. Still wouldn't start Xfce.

Wondering if I had a bad CD burn, I tried yet again, this time using the text mode installer. That works - I'm entering this from Xfce in the new alpha. If I'm feeling masochistic later, I may try the GUI installer again, but so far, its worked best in the VM, doesn't work at all well direct to my hardware.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on September 02, 2008, 11:17:54 am
The LILO module is still not handling the "Do not install" option.
it's not coded in yet... so I guess that means forced lilo install for every one this time around :(
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Masta on September 02, 2008, 07:16:08 pm
Bad bug - just installed to the metal rather than in a VM. When I got to the boot loader config, I selected not to install Lilo (since I have my own Grub setup which I prefer to use). I got a 'success' message (which confused me a bit), and found that the installer had ignored me and overwritten the MBR. After recovering, I tried a second install (I'm nothing if not masochistic...). By deselecting all the suggested menu entries, I got an error message that Lilo failed to install, and this time it didn't overwrite the MBR. Not pretty. That needs to be fixed urgently.

I'm also getting a configuring message - 'configuring unknown vendor lunkonwn device' (spelling errors in the original message). Not sure what it thought it was configuring...

After the first reboot, and the final configuration stages, the system sat for ages. Eventually it went through, but would not start Xfce. I could get into Ldxe, but attempting to load Xfce took me back to the login prompt every time.

I tried another install, which locked up completely after the final (text mode) configuration. Still wouldn't start Xfce.

Wondering if I had a bad CD burn, I tried yet again, this time using the text mode installer. That works - I'm entering this from Xfce in the new alpha. If I'm feeling masochistic later, I may try the GUI installer again, but so far, its worked best in the VM, doesn't work at all well direct to my hardware.

paul.
After your first reboot (from the CD install) and you do the configuring.. when you get to log in screen, please reboot manually (ctrl+alt+delete  , if need to). You should be able to get into xfce, after that reboot.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Pita on September 03, 2008, 12:32:37 am
I still find the fonts used not easy to read.

On the 3rd part of the installation asking for root password etc the green arrow does not follow anymore the steps to be taken.

Getting the time zone takes too long when one can use only the arrows instead of a scroll bar.

Reentering root password the password is not hidden for the reenter.

Rentering the user password it gave error no mach and then asked for reboot.

Which I did and it then did not go to gui for login. Trying to login as root it gave error.

Rebooted and it went into gui login, however, will not accept root nor user password.

Will have to reinstall.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Pita on September 03, 2008, 01:36:27 am
Re-installed.

Same as last post. This time user password was accepted, however, from there again went straight for a reboot which again ended in no gui mode and login failed for root and user.

Rebooted, went into gui with failed login.

After re-entering root password which is not hidden installer does not proceed to user entering instead asks again for root password. Klicking Next will go for user password.

BTW I did not install kernel..src which I never do. Will try once more with it.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 03, 2008, 09:24:47 am
After your first reboot (from the CD install) and you do the configuring.. when you get to log in screen, please reboot manually (ctrl+alt+delete  , if need to). You should be able to get into xfce, after that reboot.

 :) I must have been feeling especially masochistic this afternoon. I reinstalled using the GUI install. First time through, it got to the stage of final configuration (after answering all the config questions), and then just sat there. I suspect that the splash screen just failed to clear, but there seemed to be little I could do other than reboot.

I tried a second time, after removing the 'splash=silent' from the Grub menu entry. That worked, and I was able to get to the login pompt, though it failed to start the GUI login (left me at the console login). I rebooted, and was able to start Xfce from the GUI login. Problem - the quit button only allows logout, restart and shutdown were both grayed out. I tried yet another install using the GUI, got the same results, Installing from the normal text mode doesn't produce this problem - quit from the Xfce menu gets me normal selection of logout, restart and shut down.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 03, 2008, 07:35:04 pm
I had to use the Direct ISO Install from my 5.9 partition because the CD/DVD combo drive in this computer (1.3 GHz Celeron) has gotten flaky and will no longer boot from a homemade CD. With the Direct Install, I wasn't offered the graphical installer. It goes directly to the text install. That's fine with me but I was hoping to test the graphical installer. I guess I won't be able to do that until I replace the CD/DVD drive, which isn't on my immediate agenda.

Is this section only for comments on the GUI installer? I have a few comments on things that could be better in the text installer but I'm not sure where to post them.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Pita on September 03, 2008, 08:46:43 pm
Third install using text installer straight from the *.iso on the HD. Just great, everything loud and clear. Why would anybody want a gui installer? In fact when I first installed VL-5.8 I thought it was a gui.

All passwords are accepted and I am posting this from VL-6.0.

Will try another gui install from iso.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Pita on September 03, 2008, 11:17:18 pm
Made another gui install from the CD including kernel source.

Same problems as mentioned, can't login.

The banner with all those illustrious names on the installer
does not scroll anless clicked right. Stops every now and then and restarts with right click.

Copied /etc/passw and /etc/shadow from VL-5.9 into VL-6.0 and I can login now. Will then report on programs.

On first look the bugs I reported on first aplpha release are still there.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vector on September 04, 2008, 12:01:21 am
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Why would anybody want a gui installer? In fact when I first installed VL-5.8 I thought it was a gui.
Please be patient with the gui installer this all new code from the ground up and only being chumed out by M0e and Uel and they are learning as they go along. Uel has asked me to put up help wanted for more gambas programmers as it is easy to learn but the more eyes the better. In fact Moe is willing to teach the basics on any irc channel just to get you involved. So if you have ever had an inclination to learn a little programming this would be a great time to dive in as we could sure use the help.

Thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Lyn on September 04, 2008, 03:32:37 am
OK tried installing on my old Compaq with the I810 graphic chip with dynamic memory allocation.... to the stage after loading up to the logging on to root prior to the launch of the gui the screen then gives the sort of out of range display, the one that looks like scanning lines and white noise.  Clearly I can't proceed further, so the install is aborted at that point.

So looks a no go so far on that machine. 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Lyn on September 04, 2008, 05:44:04 am
OK the install on my main machine (*) went OK, though some comments on the installer.

I found if you made an error there was no ability to go back, you were just moved on, ie, I made an error when entering the names of what distribution I wanted loaded by lilo it just skipped the lilo install and did not enable me to go back....

Also the time zone configuration, its a pain having to scroll down through all the entries - the text based installer enabled you to enter the first letter of the time zone and take you to that area of the time zone config list.   

Also confusing dropping back into the text based installer for the configuration stage and then leaving you to run startxfce to get into a desktop first time round rather than a reboot.  However seems to be working well enough when it is loaded. 

I did not try changing partitions, used those already set up, so did not try the partition editor.  Will try to see what I can break and do a number of re installs. 


(*)

-Computer-
Processor      : 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
Memory      : 769MB (152MB used)
Operating System      : 5.9 Standard Deluxe built on Dec-16-07
User Name      : lyn (Lyn)
Date/Time      : Thu 04 Sep 2008 01:35:25 PM BST
-Display-
Resolution      : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer      : GeForce 6100 nForce 405/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
X11 Vendor      : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter      : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
-Input Devices-
 Power Button (FF)
 Power Button (CM)
 Macintosh mouse button emulation
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
-Printers (CUPS)-
Cups-PDF
Laser      : (Default)
-IDE Disks-
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S202J
-SCSI Disks-
ATA Hitachi HDS72161

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 04, 2008, 06:16:11 am
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Why would anybody want a gui installer? In fact when I first installed VL-5.8 I thought it was a gui.
Please be patient with the gui installer this all new code from the ground up and only being chumed out by M0e and Uel and they are learning as they go along. Uel has asked me to put up help wanted for more gambas programmers as it is easy to learn but the more eyes the better. In fact Moe is willing to teach the basics on any irc channel just to get you involved. So if you have ever had an inclination to learn a little programming this would be a great time to dive in as we could sure use the help.

I'm not fussed about a GUI installer either way, but I would be happy to help. Unfortunately, IRC is probably not a very viable option for me at the moment (while I have some time to spare while at work, I don't have any access to IRC from there). I'm also a bit confused - the last Gambas package I tried was fairly badly broken. Can you point me to a full working package? I'll happily see how much I can learn from that and some of the available source....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on September 04, 2008, 06:23:23 am
The gambas packages in the repositories work perfectly fine for me on vl-light 5.9

Gambas2-2.8.2 is out already with some more bugfixes... but the 2.8.0 is in the repos iirc

They are in veclinux-current/packages. So add that to your gslapt or slapt-get and then you can install them via these tools

as far as your irc issue, I guess the devs could hook us up with a private board here if that seems like a good idea
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 04, 2008, 04:02:59 pm
The gambas packages in the repositories work perfectly fine for me on vl-light 5.9

Gambas2-2.8.2 is out already with some more bugfixes... but the 2.8.0 is in the repos iirc

They are in veclinux-current/packages. So add that to your gslapt or slapt-get and then you can install them via these tools

Ok. Last time I looked, there were some problems with the testing Gambas package. Haven't had time to look since....

Next time I can get the machine on the net, I'll download whatever is in the repo and have a look.

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as far as your irc issue, I guess the devs could hook us up with a private board here if that seems like a good idea

 :) Let me have a look at what is there and I'll get back to you. My only programing experience is with REXX (plus a bit of simple Bash scripting), so I'll see what I can find in the Gambas docs and look at some of the source.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: kidd on September 05, 2008, 04:58:55 pm
Unfortunately, a couple of errors when installing vl 6, but in old textmode installer (hosted-install)

When trying to install lilo, I'm asked where I want it to be installed (MBR,sda, floppy, skip lilo install (IIRC)) If I choose MBR, the installer thinks I wanted to quit the installation, and asks me for confirmation on quitting installer.  I had to choose "skip lilo installation" to be able to continue the installation.

When I rebooted for the first time, vl hanged when showing me the first vasm configuration screen (my keyboard does not even respond to CAPS LOCK pressing).  After reboot, I get a console login, I login as root (without password) and then I can launch vasm with no problems at all.

If you need more details, just tell me

Cya
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: thecdn on September 06, 2008, 07:31:11 pm
On the first page of the installer, "Scanning system for installable medium. Please wait....."  I got the following error:

Installer
The application has raised an unexpected error and must abort.
[45] File or directory does not exist.
MdlCore.?0


Is there an md5sum for this download? I couldn't find one.

Edit to add:
I downloaded this again, burned it again, and got the exact same result.

My system:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ Windsor 2.8GHz Socket AM2
XFX PVT71PUQF3 GeForce 7900GS 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16
Patriot Extreme Performance 2GB SDRAM DDR2 800
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: sparkyhall on September 07, 2008, 11:28:15 am
Brilliant......this one boots from the cd for me unlike the first alpha !!

The new installer is really starting to look and feel really nice now and I just love the way I can play Invaders, Xgalaga, Freecell or Tetris while Vector installs and this takes me nicely into the first issues that I have found:-

The clock on the panel is 6 hrs behind the time set on my pc, I guess this has something to do with the region of the devs so it may be better to remove the clock altogether or at least until the region is known.

In the start menu clicking on "Log out" reboots the pc so I think it would be better if this was removed from the menu as I would only expect to shutdown or reboot after aborting an OS install.

Now to the installer.......If you click on the "Exit Install" button you end up at a minimal desktop with no obvious way of restarting the install.....I would think it would be better to offer shutdown or reboot options instead.

To make things more user friendly the disk partition text above Gparted should mention the need for quiting from Gparted via the drop down menu after the partitioning is complete.

I wont cover the fact that choosing not to install Lilo fails because others have already done this......but I will mention that there is no check on the label length given for the Lilo menu entry and if you enter something too long Lilo fails to install leaving the user with a system that fails to boot to the new Vector install, very frustrating and why not offer grub as an option?

Selecting the time zone has also been covered but is it really necessary to select the time zone followed by clicking set time zone followed by clicking OK followed by clicking next. Why not just highlight next after clicking your desired time zone?

The same goes for the setting root password......far to may items to click just to set a password.

Setting the user password is inconsistent with previous Vector installs. Because there are only two people using my PC I normally choose to have user names without a password which normally involves simply hitting enter for each password on Vector......not so with the new installer......it complains that I must enter a password and then tells me that Vector has been installed. I then continued with the install only to find that I only had root as an option in kdm and there was no icon associated with root. If I re-install and enter a password for user the icon for root appears.

On the subject of  "Vector has been installed" this implies to me that the installation is complete and ready to use but not so as Vector then continues to configure after a reboot which seems to take a very long time and then finally leaves me at a text based log-in. To be honest I would be happy with this if I had been informed about it before hand.

Chris
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: kc1di on September 07, 2008, 05:34:57 pm
I've tried installing VL 6.0 Alpha 2 on three different machines here the GUI does not work out well on any of them.  it get to the point where it says starting GUI and the the screen goes crazy just lines.  just does not seem to work for me.  think perhaps a choice ought to be given to choose the old style installer if the gui does not work.. I have no problem get to it but a newbie would never find it.

just my 2 cents worth..
will keep testing ..
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: shahgols on September 09, 2008, 12:56:05 pm
Not sure if this has been reported, since I didn't read this thread.

Well, first and foremost, thank you to all who are working on this fine distro.

The problem I had during installation happened when I was creating a new user.  As the user name I entered "Afshin".  After entering the password, etc., I clicked on Create User and I get a message that the user creation failed due to the uppercase in the login name.  The installer then vanished all together, VL rebooted, and started installation from the step AFTER the user creation step.  So I was never able to create the user "afshin". 

A couple of things to add:

1.  The installer started after a long wait...I thought that the system had frozen.
2.  Why does it take such a long time to install VL whereas other distros are much faster?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Pita on September 09, 2008, 06:58:06 pm

1.  The installer started after a long wait...I thought that the system had frozen.
2.  Why does it take such a long time to install VL whereas other distros are much faster?

That's what happened to one guy I gave VL CD for installation. I wanted to bring him to Linux. He aborted the installation thinking it had hung.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on September 18, 2008, 01:29:07 am
The gambas packages in the repositories work perfectly fine for me on vl-light 5.9

Gambas2-2.8.2 is out already with some more bugfixes... but the 2.8.0 is in the repos iirc

They are in veclinux-current/packages. So add that to your gslapt or slapt-get and then you can install them via these tools

as far as your irc issue, I guess the devs could hook us up with a private board here if that seems like a good idea

Sorry, slow again. I've got the latest Gambas package from the repos installed (though it is still not picking up all the deps, which is what slowed me down.

Where is the installer source? I've not had a lot of time with it yet, but I'm looking at a few projects, and would be interested to see how much sense I can make out of the source.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on September 18, 2008, 06:45:07 am

Where is the installer source? I've not had a lot of time with it yet, but I'm looking at a few projects, and would be interested to see how much sense I can make out of the source.

paul.

Source is available via SVN
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svn co http://vinstall-ng.googlecode.com/svn/branches/iVL vl-installerI'm sure it'll make sense... gambas syntax is almost English ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on September 23, 2008, 03:00:49 am
Just installed this one.
Very nice and a big thank you to the devs.

Issues I found have been mentioned in this thread.

But the most important thing is that when it go to the "end" of the gui installer, the screen that said "loading gui installer appeared again, and then my monitor went berserk, with big blue bars all over the place... then I realised this was actually the text installer, but I could barely discern what was going on.
Sometimes I could make out a word or two and that got me through the choices (I must know the vector installer pretty well now  ;) )
When the X screen came up, I elected the "nv" driver (I think... at least that was what I intended) and then the screen went fine.
After reboot I ran VASM and did the autoconfiguration again and that seems to have worked just fine.

Other than that:

1. Very nice addition, M0E with the Ctrl-Alt-+ and minus foo resolutions. Perhaps this instruction should appear on the first page (or all pages) in case the right resolution isn't automatically selected, or even better, there could be a small indication of what the resolution that is currently in use is.

2. The reason I'm focusing on this is that I think the installer didn't get my 1440x900. Things look... ugly, for the lack of a better word. I think it's just stretched which makes the fonts weird as well.

3. The Back button didn't work after I had been to the gparted screen and clicked next.

4. I think the Menu on the left hand corner is great, although perhaps it would be nice to have a proper taskbar, instead of hiding it away. Also, time was wrong (like someone else mentioned); and perhaps two virtual desktops aren't really necessary.

5. Total progress stayed in 0% for ages, and only started moving after the first (long) step was completed. Then, close to the end, it moved from about 50% to 100% in just a blink of an eye.

6. The scroll bars in the list of packages to install were a bit strange as there was a lot of empty space both top-bottom and left-right (perhaps down to resolution, as well?)

7. Some words were cut, either in options or in tabs, as if the boxes weren't wide enough to contain them.

Thank you very much for this!
It's exciting to see great improvements from version to version.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on September 23, 2008, 05:48:34 am
That is definitely a resolution problem. And one that is not up to me to fix. Every installation will have different hardware... I'm writing the installer so it works in an 600x800 resolution. I think that is the worse case scenario you can get when you are running on the vesa driver.
Beyond that, it's up to Xorg and the drivers.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on September 23, 2008, 02:38:03 pm

The thing about the text installer part being almost unreadable seems to have something to do with my setup.
It is common for, instance, for other Vector versions to show that on thr framebuffer boot, but only on the first boot to a new system (then it's fine from then on).

Only with this alpha, that actually affected the text installer part, so I couldn't really be sure what I was picking.

Thanks, again.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on September 25, 2008, 05:49:55 am
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1. Very nice addition, M0E with the Ctrl-Alt-+ and minus foo resolutions. Perhaps this instruction should appear on the first page (or all pages) in case the right resolution isn't automatically selected, or even better, there could be a small indication of what the resolution that is currently in use is.

I only realised now that the resolution change is actually an X thing...  ::)
I thought you had coded it!
 ;D
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: OnAir on October 10, 2008, 02:06:25 am
Hi,
I installed VL6.0-STD-A0.12.iso (finally after 4 failed attempts) on a Toshiba Satellite S2800-100, Celeron 650 MHz, 192 MB ram, Savage S3 video, 30 GB HDD
After all this talk of a GUI installer I thought it would be something like Xubuntu or Kubuntu, (I mean a REAL GUI installer..) but all I got was the same 'DOS Window' looking installer that comes with 5.9.
Was I supposed to enter a special command? Anyway the following comments are regading this 'DOS Window' look installer.
- Keyboard region setup does not work and did not work on the 5.9 installer either. I select Norwegian but I still get US.
- After I type 1. to accept the Keyboard it jumps back to the first menu again but the cursor does not move to the next menu item, looks like I havent set up keyboard. Confusing. I suggest the cursor hops to the next menu item. Plus I agree with another person about the lack of a 'Back' option on some screens.
- I didnt try fdisk as my partitions were already set up
- A lot of 'Optional' install items get listed but some of these are not exactly optional!!! Optional to me means they are not really necessary... You should add more explanation or warnings.
  After 3 failed installs I just deselected the Nvidia/ATI drivers and Firefox and proceeded. Then the install went better.
  Some of the listed items are badly explained ("TM"???)
- Same sort of comment with LILO, I skipped this 'optional' step but when I started the PC it got so far then sat and looked at me..
- Then I got asked for Keyboard again (?) Anyway it still doesnt do anything.
- Selected the VESA screen option OK
- Adding Users OK

All in all its a lot of work and light years behind the quality of the Xubuntu or Kubuntu install. I can't see any big improvements since 5.9
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: MikeCindi on October 14, 2008, 06:13:45 am
On the first page of the installer, "Scanning system for installable medium. Please wait....."  I got the following error:

Installer
The application has raised an unexpected error and must abort.
[45] File or directory does not exist.
MdlCore.?0

I too am getting this with alpha 0.15. I was able to install 0.12 in a VM but never tried otherwise.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 14, 2008, 06:19:03 am
Can you guys make sure you have a /mnt/target directory?

Not sure what causes this and I can't reproduce it
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on October 15, 2008, 08:59:25 am
Just tried 6.0 a0.15 install.

Install starts fine, but no keyboard selection, only language. This means that console is in US default keyboard layout. Not good.

Second problem was in the configuration stage - got through the user setup, then failed on the network config with the following error:

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The application raide and unexpected error and must abort.
45 File or Directory does not exist MdNetconf.?0

After that, I was left at the install desktop. When I rebooted, the system was not configured  - user had not been added, and X was not setup.

Text installer worked fine, thankfully....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 15, 2008, 09:15:02 am
Development is still in progress... The issues with the user accounts have been fixed... same for the network configuration.

At this point, I'm not sure how we want to proceed with the language selection deal.

The language selection will allow users to run the installer in the language of their choice, but IMO, the language for each user's environment should be set by each user individually (via VASM or VASMCC).

At any rate, a public release is coming soon to your neighborhood VL station.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on October 15, 2008, 11:33:25 am
Development is still in progress... The issues with the user accounts have been fixed... same for the network configuration.

Fair enought...

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At this point, I'm not sure how we want to proceed with the language selection deal.

The language selection will allow users to run the installer in the language of their choice, but IMO, the language for each user's environment should be set by each user individually (via VASM or VASMCC).

Well, yes. However, basic language selection is going to be needed so that the system can be installed. In the same way, keyboard layout selection is pretty important early on as well - without it, things can get difficult.....

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At any rate, a public release is coming soon to your neighborhood VL station.

I look forward to it.

 ??? Forgot. One other problem I encountered using the version in 0.15. I attempted to change the resolution using CTRL-ALT-+ or CTRL-ALT-- (fun, I don't often use numlock on the laptop....). Trying either resulted in unusable screen corruption - everything smeared, quite unusable. Fortunately, I was able to go back to the native resolution, whatever that is.


paul.


Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 15, 2008, 11:41:58 am

 ??? Forgot. One other problem I encountered using the version in 0.15. I attempted to change the resolution using CTRL-ALT-+ or CTRL-ALT-- (fun, I don't often use numlock on the laptop....). Trying either resulted in unusable screen corruption - everything smeared, quite unusable. Fortunately, I was able to go back to the native resolution, whatever that is.


paul.




This is an xorg thing... you will only be able to navigate through your resolutions listed in the selected mode in your xorg.conf.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 21, 2008, 11:31:57 am
Posting from A0.22 on an Acer Aspire 3680 notebook, 1280x800 screen resolution on intel.

First of all, I think this GUI installer is great! Having a real desktop and access to a terminal offers power options not available in many other installers. I realize it is still evolving, but here is what I found:

User Rights Management: The "scanner" label overlaps the "Help" button.
LILO did not pick up my W2K on /dev/sda1
After clicking ok to reboot, it dropped to shell, showing last line:
logging in as root.
Ctrl-Alt-Del worked, it came back up to what looked like TUI login, but did not respond to kb input.
Hard reset, boot to "TUI": Logged in as root.
Found that my requested user account had not been created.
Ran vasm>autosetup and completed configuration.
Ran vliloconf, this time w2k was detected.
Rebooted and all works well. :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vector on October 21, 2008, 11:48:00 am
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Ctrl-Alt-Del worked, it came back up to what looked like TUI login, but did not respond to kb input.
At this point you need to hit alt-cntl-f2 to take you to the continued text installation. We haven't figured out how to gracefully change from the gui to the finishing text installer yet without a reboot but going to the second virtual terminal seems to work.
Please keep testing a.022 we need all the feedback we can get!!

Thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on October 21, 2008, 12:43:20 pm
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We haven't figured out how to gracefully change from the gui to the finishing text installer yet without a reboot but going to the second virtual terminal seems to work.

So fas as I remember, it worked great here with alpha-0.22 .
After the gui bit, it went straight into the text installer (unlike previous alpha versions, which rebooted).

A couple of things:
1. Typed root password differently in the two boxes (by mistake). It went straight to the next window, and with no Back button. So, root password ended up as an empty string.

2. The "regular" user I had set up in the installer wasn't created. Kdm only showed "root" as user. Needed to use VASM to add another user and then it showed up in kdm.

3. Is it at all possible to have an option at the very beginning for choosing/inputting the screen resolution? It keeps on getting it wrong here, with a 1440x900.

It's getting better each time, M0E. Thanks a lot for your work!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 21, 2008, 01:51:08 pm
Nice to see testers come along... I could use user input.

I'm not sure which snapshop of the installer in in this alpha, but just yesterday, I modified the object positioning on the user accounts window. I've ran it @ 800x600 and it does not overlap here.

I really wish I could get an ISO with network modules and the gambas IDE so that I can debug on the spot (Live debugging)

@ Nightflier
Your win2k problem is one that I really need help with as I do not have a win2k installation. Is this a FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS partition?
To give you an idea why the installer may have not picked it up... the installer mounts the partition and looks for c:\windows\system32\winver.exe
see if you have that file... of if it's not there, let me know the correct path to this file on your windows partition.

The reason I did that is to eliminate an annoyance of mine where vliloconf would list any FAT or NTFS partition as a win installation, even if it's empty... so I'm trying to pin-point real OS installs here.

@ wcs
I'm not sure how you got past the un-matched root passwords (I will double-check this)...
Did you get an error message after creating the regular user account?
CTRL+ALT+Num[+-] may be your best option for your resolution issues.

@vec & uelsk8s
We need a way to fire up the modules before the installer exits so we can configure network... otherwise, the installer will see no interfaces.

Another option for configuration would be to make sort of like a second part to the installer which would run on first boot. We could do network configuration here and take care of localizations if we need to. (not sure this is enough to make a whole nother thing to run after install though.

Thanks again for testing guys... keep them bug reports coming.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on October 21, 2008, 02:47:44 pm
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Did you get an error message after creating the regular user account?

Not that I remember, no.

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CTRL+ALT+Num[+-] may be your best option for your resolution issues.

I checked xorg.conf and it wasn't listed there. I had 1024x768, 800x600, and I think 640x480, but no 1440x900.
I tried editing xorg.conf and doing ctrl-alt-backspace, but that didn't "restart" the installer, and only conducted to a reboot.

Thanks!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on October 21, 2008, 02:48:32 pm
Oh, and I did choose one of the login pictures, if it matters.
Only it didn't show up in kdm.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on October 21, 2008, 10:34:28 pm
Are you sure you clicked the add user button after filling in the info for the user?
It is real easy to miss and just press next
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on October 22, 2008, 12:00:48 am
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Are you sure you clicked the add user button after filling in the info for the user?
It is real easy to miss and just press next

Ah, it must have been that, then...
It also happened to me with 0.15, so I thought it was a bug.
Turns out the bug is in the user.  :)

I'll give it another shot at some point, just to make sure, but it's likely that I missed the button.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vector on October 22, 2008, 12:43:00 am
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It is real easy to miss and just press next
Guess we need to make it a little more obvious I missed it too.......................... ::)
 
lol
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 22, 2008, 05:42:50 am
Ah, I remember seeing the button and assuming it was in case you wanted to add more than one regular user.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 22, 2008, 05:56:21 am
I could disable the next button until one user account is created.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 22, 2008, 06:32:33 am
Don't like that idea, if someone don't want to add a user at that stage, they should be allowed to continue.

Maybe disable the "Add User" button until something is typed in the name field. It would then draw some attention when activated. When clicked, the fields should clear and button again deactivate.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 22, 2008, 06:40:42 am
@ Nightflier
Your win2k problem is one that I really need help with as I do not have a win2k installation. Is this a FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS partition?
To give you an idea why the installer may have not picked it up... the installer mounts the partition and looks for c:\windows\system32\winver.exe
see if you have that file... of if it's not there, let me know the correct path to this file on your windows partition.

The reason I did that is to eliminate an annoyance of mine where vliloconf would list any FAT or NTFS partition as a win installation, even if it's empty... so I'm trying to pin-point real OS installs here.

That makes sense. W2K, like WinNT, uses c:\winnt as windows root. Yes, there is a file c:\winnt\system32\winver.exe. Filesystem ntfs.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 22, 2008, 07:05:21 am
Don't like that idea, if someone don't want to add a user at that stage, they should be allowed to continue.

Maybe disable the "Add User" button until something is typed in the name field. It would then draw some attention when activated. When clicked, the fields should clear and button again deactivate.

Actually, in a more recent revision, the installer does ask you if you'd like to continue without creating the user account.
Here is what I mean... if you accidentally clicked the "next" button before any user accounts are created, you're prompted with a question asking you if you want to continue without creating any user accounts (YES/NO)

Let me know if this is enough, or if we need something else.

I will code the winnt path to allow winnt detection
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 22, 2008, 07:15:07 am
Actually, in a more recent revision, the installer does ask you if you'd like to continue without creating the user account.
Here is what I mean... if you accidentally clicked the "next" button before any user accounts are created, you're prompted with a question asking you if you want to continue without creating any user accounts (YES/NO)

That will prevent the issue of people continuing without realizing that the user was not created.

Is it feasible to make it so that when the "next" button is clicked, it will only complain if the new user name field is empty? If there is a name entered, grab the info, create a new user and continue?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 22, 2008, 07:34:41 am
You mean create the account by clicking on the next button (if information is present) rather than *requiring* the user to click the "Create account" button?

If this is what you mean... then the answer is yes... it is possible.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on October 22, 2008, 08:18:58 am
I think if you read the instructions on the adduser module it becomes more clear that you need to cllick that button
it says something like add as many users as you want and when your done click the next button.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 22, 2008, 08:33:15 am
I think if you read the instructions on the adduser module it becomes more clear that you need to cllick that button
it says something like add as many users as you want and when your done click the next button.

And I do think most people *will* read these at least the first time they run the GUI installer, since it's a new thing... rather than simply clicking next every chance they get.

Here what I got now though..
In the event that the user window is left completely blank or with partial information, the installer will prompt wether or not to proceed witout any user accounts at all.
If there is enough information in the form to create the user account, but the "Add user" button was not clicked, the next button will create the account and then move on to the next step.

Let me know if that will do or if we need a different route

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on October 22, 2008, 09:01:34 am
And I do think most people *will* read these at least the first time they run the GUI installer, since it's a new thing... rather than simply clicking next every chance they get.
I wish I had your faith.

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Here what I got now though..
In the event that the user window is left completely blank or with partial information, the installer will prompt wether or not to proceed witout any user accounts at all.
If there is enough information in the form to create the user account, but the "Add user" button was not clicked, the next button will create the account and then move on to the next step.

That is just about perfect. I assume it informs user what was wrong or missing (illegal characters, non-matching passwords), and gives the choice of going back and correcting it, or just press on.

BTW great job, M0E!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on October 22, 2008, 09:14:49 am
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Ctrl-Alt-Del worked, it came back up to what looked like TUI login, but did not respond to kb input.
At this point you need to hit alt-cntl-f2 to take you to the continued text installation. We haven't figured out how to gracefully change from the gui to the finishing text installer yet without a reboot but going to the second virtual terminal seems to work.
Please keep testing a.022 we need all the feedback we can get!!

Thanks,
Vec

Hmm. With alpha 0.22 I got to the end of the GUI install (box saying complete, do you want to reboot). Did so. Came up to a TUI login, but no X configured and no further installation steps available. Tried a second time, selecting 'no' to the reboot prompt, got an error from the GUI installer, but no further progress.

In the end, I had to revert to the text installer to get 0.22 installed.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 22, 2008, 10:27:44 am
And I do think most people *will* read these at least the first time they run the GUI installer, since it's a new thing... rather than simply clicking next every chance they get.
I wish I had your faith.

Quote
Here what I got now though..
In the event that the user window is left completely blank or with partial information, the installer will prompt wether or not to proceed witout any user accounts at all.
If there is enough information in the form to create the user account, but the "Add user" button was not clicked, the next button will create the account and then move on to the next step.

That is just about perfect. I assume it informs user what was wrong or missing (illegal characters, non-matching passwords), and gives the choice of going back and correcting it, or just press on.

BTW great job, M0E!
When creating the the user accounts, the installer checks for illegal characters, and matching passwords... and I think at a point, it even displays a balloon indicating where the problem is. ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on October 31, 2008, 09:36:54 am
Just installed alpha 0.24, using the GUI installer. A few comments...

Looks good - I like the colour changes and I see that the credits now works.

This time, when the installer fell over at the network configuration stage, when I rebooted, the text-mode installer continued and completed the install.

No sound - the sound card detection/setup was completely skipped. At the end of the text mode stage, I was left at a TUI login prompt. I rebooted and the system went to a GUI login, allowed me in to Xfce without any problems. Even though I had selected a login picture when I set up my normal user account, root had a login picture, my normal user didn't.

Two oddities after the install completed. First, when selecting Quit from the Xfce menu, the only available options was log out - both restart and shut down were grayed out. I hit that same problem the last time I managed to get a GUI install to complete.

Second, and much more serious. even though I had selected HAL, automount didn't work at all.

Still got a way to go, but it gets better all the time...

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 31, 2008, 10:25:43 am
We are working on that network issue at the moment, there should be a fixed version soon.

FWIW: I just finished installing on a Virtual Machine and here are the results

The GOod:
Installer went fine all out
Network was setup correctly
Chose user icon for user (icon shows up fine in KDM)
system configuration was done on first boot.

The Bad:
KDM did not load on first boot (booted into Text mode)
Translations are still not available in the installer

The Ugly:
The Initrd still doesn't have kool-looking fonts, so some objects on the isntaller dont look like they should
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 01, 2008, 10:16:09 am
Please give http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso a try.

The gui installer is getting close let us know what you think about it


Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 01, 2008, 02:32:20 pm
Please give http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso a try.

The gui installer is getting close let us know what you think about it

 ;D Not bad. Looks a lot cleaner, and the prompts at the end of the GUI portion help. The forced reboot works fine as well.

A few oddities. The network setup gives the option to change the machine name. That part of the routine is broken. It changes the machine name in /etc/HOSTNAME, but doesn't do the job completely (no domain set). It also fails to make any changes to /etc/hosts. As a result, the next time Xfce is started, you get this message:

Code: [Select]
Could not look up internet address for t-42vl.
This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly.
It may be possible to correct the problem by adding
t-42vl to the file /etc/hosts on your system.

The only other item I've noticed so far is that, when quitting from Xfce, the only option is log out - both restart and shutdown are grayed out. This has happened every time I've used the GUI install, and only when I've used the GUI. I'll have to see if I can find what has been missed and fix it now, but it is something that needs to be fixed in the GUI install routine.

Other than that, the install is looking pretty good. I'm impressed with one thing - even though there was no prompt to change the keymap, it looks as though the selection made for X is being carried through to the console, since it is also set for UK. Nice....

paul
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Masta on November 02, 2008, 05:03:57 pm
Please give http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso a try.

The gui installer is getting close let us know what you think about it


Uelsk8s

Sorry I've been away and very busy. Work flooded in like a tittle wave.
I am not able to test this .25 because it doesn't get any further than snowy white screen with black bottom saying boot failed, and complaining about the device. I've downloaded this iso several times on different installs, burned again and again and.., (and wasted a good CDr too,  just to make sure). This shows up on real hardware (the same machine I have been using for this).

Update:
             Did one more burn after checking the iso in a VM. It's working now. Only thing I can think of was that earlier it was just too cold for the systems to function properly, or something along that. We're good now though :)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 03, 2008, 06:00:44 am

A few oddities. The network setup gives the option to change the machine name. That part of the routine is broken. It changes the machine name in /etc/HOSTNAME, but doesn't do the job completely (no domain set). It also fails to make any changes to /etc/hosts. As a result, the next time Xfce is started, you get this message:

Code: [Select]
Could not look up internet address for t-42vl.
This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly.
It may be possible to correct the problem by adding
t-42vl to the file /etc/hosts on your system.

The only other item I've noticed so far is that, when quitting from Xfce, the only option is log out - both restart and shutdown are grayed out. This has happened every time I've used the GUI install, and only when I've used the GUI. I'll have to see if I can find what has been missed and fix it now, but it is something that needs to be fixed in the GUI install routine.



I need help figuring out what all I need to do to make this work... All I read from the old script was that it sets /etc/hostname.
Thanks for testing and reporting... we'll get it fixed ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vincent2 on November 04, 2008, 07:40:04 am
Bonjour!
Just Grabed http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso ,installed on an old sharp Mebius PC-GP10-BM( pro Savage KN133 chipsets MB, athlon Xp1500+ cpu, 256 M ram) laptop,
installation process went smoothly, afterwards booting into Xfce fast.......a bit Success.
Then desktop system gets hung/freeze from time to time(even no response from "ctrl+alt+Backspace/del"at all), Still can't figure out why,always have to press power switch to restart VL6.0alpha25  again and again.
any fixing commands for system freeze?

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 05, 2008, 07:33:05 am
Just installed alpha 0.28. A few observations...

Install goes fine until it requests the restart. At that point, it errors and I had to restart from the installer toolbar.

Changes to the network setup do part of the job. Still missing a bit though. Machine name in both /etc/HOSTNAME and /etc/hosts are both changed, but the domain fields are left empty. It needs to prompt for both machine name and domain information. That used to be the way VasmCC worked in 5.9 Standard.

Not a problem, just different. Using the TUI installer, /mnt has a 'win' directory created. It isn't created when the GUI installer is used.

Also, same problem I mentioned last time. When installed using the GUI installer, the Xfce quit dialog has both shutdown and restart options grayed out. Only log out is available. Installed from TUI, all three options are available.

Almost there.....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 05, 2008, 08:46:03 am
Almost there indeed...

Just fixed the problem with the restart issue

I'm not sure I fully understand the issue with the domain information.

My /etc/hosts only has 2 uncommented lines
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127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 BlackBox BlackBox
Of couse, "BlackBox" is my hostname in /etc/ HOSTNAME also.

The GUI isntaller will create the necessary directories if you tell it you want to mount win partitions at boot. It let's you choose which dirctory to mount them too (defaults to /mnt/<dev address>)

And I have no clue as to why the XFCE quit dialog problem.

Help
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 05, 2008, 01:07:49 pm
Almost there indeed...

Just fixed the problem with the restart issue

:) Great....

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I'm not sure I fully understand the issue with the domain information.

My /etc/hosts only has 2 uncommented lines
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127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 BlackBox BlackBox
Of couse, "BlackBox" is my hostname in /etc/ HOSTNAME also.

Hosts should look like this:

Code: [Select]
127.0.0.1   t-42vl.ibmpeers.net t-42v
And HOSTNAME should have this form:

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t-42vl.ibmpeers.net
I'll try another reinstall and see if I can enter both machine name and domain name. If so, it may simply be a matter of making the prompt clearer.

If its left untouched (which it will be using the TUI install, since in the alphas at least, it is jumping past the network setup stage), it defaults to vector.linux.net (if I'm remembering correctly....)

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The GUI isntaller will create the necessary directories if you tell it you want to mount win partitions at boot. It let's you choose which dirctory to mount them too (defaults to /mnt/<dev address>)

No problem. It just seemed a bit odd - TUI install creates /mnt/win, but GUI install doesn't.

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And I have no clue as to why the XFCE quit dialog problem.

Help


 ;D Sorry. I'm wondering about something like a difference in the way /etc/sudoers is set up, since so far as I know, that would be what controls who can access the shutdown command. But I can see no reason that should be any different when run from TUI or GUI install. I'll try another couple of installs in the next couple of days and see if I can spot what the difference is between the two install types. Let you know if I find anything.

paul
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 05, 2008, 02:35:25 pm
I think I have squashed the bug with the hostname/domain.

we're down to the xfce problem (Uel is working on that)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 05, 2008, 03:58:33 pm
we're down to the xfce problem (Uel is working on that)
This one was easy once I started looking.
We just need to add the user to the "users" group
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 05, 2008, 03:59:55 pm
I think I have squashed the bug with the hostname/domain.

I tried entering the full machine name/domain name in the GUI, which almost worked - ended up with HOSTNAME correct, but the hosts entry was incorrect:

Code: [Select]
127.0.0.1     t-42vl.ibmpeers.net     t-42vl.ibmpeers.net
Using Vasm > Super > Network > Netconf gives the correct result:

Code: [Select]
127.0.0.1   t-42vl.ibmpeers.net t-42vl
 :) Just in case....

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we're down to the xfce problem (Uel is working on that)

Good luck. I've had a look at /etc/sudoers, its identical between either TUI or GUI install. I've done a bit of searching, but so far, I've got no idea what is different. Don't know enough about how Xfce works, I guess.

Looks as though its pretty close though.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 09, 2008, 01:28:38 am
Just finished running this installer on my hp machine.  Here are some of my findings.

Really like the improvement to the look.
Choose language, find media, used existing partitions all was smooth and intuitive.

I choose sda6 as root and sda1 as swap and went to the lilo portion of the set up.

Lilo saw my VL 5.9 partition (sda2) and my Zenwalk partition (sda5) but it did not see my Linuxmint on sda7

I tried to change the names of the 3 partitions but lilo returned an error saying
Fatal: open/boot/tamu/initrd-sda5: no such file or directory Failed.

So I did not include it and continued.

(Also the new lilo boots awfully fast.  Really have to be on the alert to make a selection at boot time.)

Choose to use picture ID (thought this was a cool feature), picked the frog by the way.

Changed name of computer on this page as well.  This seems to have generated an error later on but I see that is already being discussed.

Installer then asked me to reboot.  I said yes, but I don't remember there being a reminder to take the disk out of the drive.  If there isn't maybe there could be?  Could save someone a headache down the road.

Started up with a lets continue message and all was familiar from there on.

I'll give you some more on tues/wed.  I have the days off and four more computers I can try this on.

Oh, was there supposed to be some option where I could have chosen gnome during set up.  If so I missed it totally.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 09, 2008, 08:21:22 am
we are moving fast now.
Please give http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.31.iso a try.
all the installer bugs reported so far should be fixed in this one.
Let us know how this one works for you

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: jasse on November 09, 2008, 11:01:52 am
WARNING: I have never used Linux before but poked around some BSD's and Solaris. Just a little.

Anyway, I just downloaded and installed "VL6.0-STD-A0.31.iso" on an ACER Aspire One AOA150 (with Swedish keyboard)
Seems to work fine, not that I have done anything substancial yet.

But installing on this machine was tricky, mostly because the screen i kinda small (1024x600).
The GUI installer uses way to big font, so I could only reach some of the options.

(This will make it somewhat annoying to fix manually, but I'm exercising free will here)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: caitlyn on November 09, 2008, 11:11:36 am
Jasse's comment about font size applies to older machines as well.  VL Std will run acceptably on some machines that can't do better than 800x600.  Some means of adjusting font size might be appropriate or just a smaller display area for critical bits.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: jasse on November 09, 2008, 11:24:03 am
Jasse's comment about font size applies to older machines as well.  VL Std will run acceptably on some machines that can't do better than 800x600.  Some means of adjusting font size might be appropriate or just a smaller display area for critical bits.
Especially the left panel needs some serious shrinking. It's not really needed unless you want to imitate Windows. Should a Linux distro really need to do that ???

There should also be scroll bars, both up/down and sideways, so all settings are reachable.

But I think I'll keep VL on this computer, it seems small enough to be usable.

Now I just have to figure out how to get sound and WiFi-lan runnig  >:(
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 09, 2008, 01:00:15 pm
The installer is being designed to work on a 800x600 resolution or better.
It's rather hard to design something functional at a smaller resolution.


The left panel is only there to show the current stage in the process. We next it in a side panel to make it visble/hidden upon each user's preference. (we may need more input here)

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: caitlyn on November 09, 2008, 01:18:41 pm
Now I just have to figure out how to get sound and WiFi-lan runnig  >:(

There are other Aspire One users on the forum.  You probably should start a thread in the Portable VL section of the forum for your two remaining issues.  I expect your post will attract more notice there and you'll get the answers you need.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 09, 2008, 01:34:23 pm
This is already a bit out of date (I downloaded alpha 0.30 about 12 hours ago....). I'll download the delta for 0.31 as soon as I get home and try again, but some observations about 0.30.

First, I decided to try a full install (always use custom in the past, since there are several things in the options I don't want). When I saw that I was not going to be given any options, I used the back button, selected custom, went on to make software choices, then tried to go forward. I was left with both the software selection and installation summary buttons highlighted, and unable to do anything. At that point, neither the next or the back button did anything. I had to exit the installer and restart the machine.

I chose custom install on the second attempt, made selections and left the machine to get on with it. Only to find quite early in the initial install I had the following:

Code: [Select]
This application has raised an unexpeted error and must abort.

[45] File or directory does not exist. ModinstallCustom.?.0

Started again. This time just did a full install. At the network setup page, I found that both the machine name and domain name boxes had spurious text in them - computer name was displayingn 'Begin installtion proace' And domain name had 'tlz?required/veclinus.tl'. Cleared and entered the correct details in both boxes, then went on. The displayed /etc/hosts was correct.

On reboot, I got an error logging into Xfce - same as before - unable to look up internet address. Once boot was finished, I checked. While /etc/hosts had been correctly set, /etc/HOSTNAME was untouched and still had the default 'vector.linux.net' entry. So I'm afraid the network setup is still broken.

I also got a completely new error once Xfce had come up:
Code: [Select]
Sound server information message: error while initializing the sound driver:

device /dev/dsp cant be opened (No such file or directory)
the sound server will continue, using the null ouptput device.

While I was able to set the keyboard correctly from Vasm, I think that should really part of the install, not something that has to be tweaked later.

I was going to try again, but I guess I'll leave it until I can grab the 0.31 delta and try it....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 09, 2008, 01:43:23 pm
<mumlble...> I've meant to mention this several time and keep forgetting.....

Not sure how difficult it would be, but it would be very useful if there was some ability to check the installation files in the GUI install, in the same way as there is in the TUI installer. Especially since the GUI will probably appeal to people with little linux/Vector experience, being able to check that they have a clean burn would be very useful.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: jasse on November 09, 2008, 02:12:56 pm
The installer is being designed to work on a 800x600 resolution or better.
It's rather hard to design something functional at a smaller resolution.
It looked like it was designed for a much bigger screen.
Maybe it detects the wrong screen size or doesn't expect a widescreen monitor.
I vote for a dropdown menu with fontsize options.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 10, 2008, 02:38:23 pm


I choose sda6 as root and sda1 as swap and went to the lilo portion of the set up.

Lilo saw my VL 5.9 partition (sda2) and my Zenwalk partition (sda5) but it did not see my Linuxmint on sda7

I tried to change the names of the 3 partitions but lilo returned an error saying
Fatal: open/boot/tamu/initrd-sda5: no such file or directory Failed.


Can you please tell us the following information?
Where does linuxmint install their kernel and initrd
Also need to know how they name their initrd
ours is initrd ... some distros name it initrd.gz some may name it something else

So I need to know where it is and what it is called (you can probabbly get this from a lilo or grub conf file in that distro)
They usually go in /boot

The installer currently looks for "initrd" and "initrd.gz" If the linuxmint initrd is named something else, it will not get detected
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 10, 2008, 03:56:20 pm
Just installed 0.31. One problem I had with 0.30 is gone - this time it went through a selective install without failing. Other problems, well...

Going from software selection with next, then using back, making selections and then using next stalls the installation - nothing to do but restart. BTW, is there a way of restarting the install from the GUI desktop, or does the machine need to be restarted each time?

Domain name problem is still there - /etc/hosts is correctly modified, but /etc/HOSTNAME is not touched, which means errors when Xfce is started.

I'm also getting no sound at all now, though I'm not sure if that is an installer problem or an Xfce problem.  There seems to be no sound configuration done during the install, and attempting to run Alsaconf from Vasm after install fails silently.

I'll try another install later to see if I can iron out some of the kinks.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 10, 2008, 05:06:09 pm
from the menu you can start a terminal from the terminal you can run "installer.gambas"
sound will be fixed in next iso.
 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 10, 2008, 06:30:39 pm
from the menu you can start a terminal from the terminal you can run "installer.gambas"

Thanks. It might be an idea to create an alias for the installer and notify users of the option. Would save a restart if things don't go the way they should....

Quote
sound will be fixed in next iso.

:) That's good to hear. There seem to be more things broken in 0.30 and 0.31 than in any of the previous alphas. I've now installed it four times. On one occasion, it failed to create the user at all. On another, it failed to configure X. On all that I've been able to get as far as starting X, it seems to be set for a Gnome session which doesn't exist, and it has also failed to change the default to Xfce without a couple of attempts. I would think I had a bad burn, but an install from TUI mode hasn't shown any problems except the final one of wanting to start Gnome. I notice that as well as sound not working, there is no entry for the screen saver in the Xfce panel.

 ;D I'll be waiting for the next iso very eagerly.....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 10, 2008, 10:06:20 pm
Great looking installer! Only issue remaining for me was the W2K issue (c:\winnt) reported earlier.

I would also like to see the CD eject before the reboot after installer finishes.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 11, 2008, 05:54:08 am
The /etc/hosts /etc/HOSTNAME issue has been resolved... I experienced the problem myself in A0.31, fixed it after that.

@ Nightflyer, Are you still having the same W2K problem or has this been fixed for you?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 11, 2008, 06:23:51 am
Sorry, last test was done on A0.31, where the w2k issue remains. Will try A0.32a next.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 11, 2008, 09:05:20 am
new iso http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.32.iso is up
a delta for 0.32to0.32a is there, but the only difference is the mkisofs used the iso should be close to identical.
vec is having a problem booting the last couple iso's. Is anyone else having problems booting, as in the cd will not boot at all(no messages from isolinux, no cd boot menu, like a non bootable iso)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 11, 2008, 09:23:35 am
Sorry, last test was done on A0.31, where the w2k issue remains. Will try A0.32a next.

Refresh my memory here...
This that W2k installation hosted in a FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS partition?

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 10:48:31 am
Quote
Can you please tell us the following information?
Where does linuxmint install their kernel and initrd
Also need to know how they name their initrd
ours is initrd ... some distros name it initrd.gz some may name it something else

I used vasmCC to mount sda7 (the linux mint partition) and this is what I found.

First of all right in the / partition there is something called initrd.img

Then in the boot directory there was one called initrd.img-2.6.24.19-generic

Included pictures of both directories. (Worth a thousand words and all that)

If there is anywhere else you would like me to look, just let me know.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 11, 2008, 11:14:10 am
Sorry, last test was done on A0.31, where the w2k issue remains. Will try A0.32a next.

Refresh my memory here...
This that W2k installation hosted in a FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS partition?

My W2K is installed using NTFS. Windows is located in "c:\winnt", not "c:\windows". There exists a file "c:\winnt\system32\winver.exe" (I think that was the one you looked for).

Now, there is a "c:\windows" directory as well, created by my touchpad driver. I guess that path is hard-coded into that software (and since we don't have access to the code, we can't fix it).

Last test was done on A0.32a. It did not find my windows install. It would not continue either when I clicked "next" at the page where it informed me that no windows installations were found. I had to click "back" and re-do the previous step, leaving the "search for windows installations" box unchecked. After that all went well.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 11:29:28 am
On another machine I did an install in an attemp to set up a dual boot

1st I choose Modify my disk partitions...
Then I resized the windows partition (That was working great so I played a couple games)

Played freecell then shut it down (said Ok to "Kill this window?"), no problem.

Played Space Invaders then (said Ok to "Kill this window?"), but it poped up another "Kill this window" then when I said ok to that everything disappeared.

I rebooted put the cd in caught up to where I was and finished the resizing.

I then when on to create a partition for swap which I formated to ext3 and an unallocated partition I planed to format as root on the "Please Select the Partitions you Wish to Use." section.

So I exited Gparted to thinking I was ready for that section.. However, the "Please Select the Partitions you Wish to Use." section. only saw the partition I saw for swap and did not see the unallocated section.

So I clicked the back button looking to kick back into gparted.  No go.  I clicked back further and reselected Modify disk partitions..., but it still would not start up gparted.

So I just started gparted from the menu.  Formated my unallocated partition and moved forward.

After selection my partitions and choosing "Detect and Setup Windows partitions for auto-mounting at boot"
I clicked next and got a screen that told me no Windows partition was detected.

I clicked back to double check if I had selected the windows detection option right and the screen froze on...
"Analyzing system partitioning scheme..."

I then just choose reboot from the menu and decided to let it boot into xp to see if it really was still there and sure enough xp booted, no problem.

OK enough for now, I just downloaded A0.32, I'll try again on that one and let you know.


Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: jasse on November 11, 2008, 12:26:43 pm
Still spanking my Aspire One (A150-sw).
Just tried to install A0.32 but at the end the installer gives me this:

[26] Division by zero
MdlSetup.?.0

and decides to commit suicide.
Can this come from me clicking the little button to hide the left side panel ???

When the installer copies the files to the HD (full install), the scrolling credits takes up the lower third of the screen, almost hiding the progress bar.

Clicking in the lower left of the screen informs me that the window sizs is 790x571 pixels.
Can this be that xorg doesn't detects the monitor right ???
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 12:46:20 pm
Quote
Still spanking my Aspire One (A150-sw).
Just tried to install A0.32 but at the end the installer gives me this:

[26] Division by zero
MdlSetup.?.0

I got this same error on my HP m7640n, twice.  Once with the side panel collapsed and once again with the side panel untouched.  This occured for me during the "Installing Base System Programs" part of the install, if that helps narrow it down.

Also, once I collapsed the side panel I could not expand it again.

One last thing, my boot menu was shot after the attempted install failed.  Got nothing but a series of 99 999 99 across the screen.

Will try this new one on two other machines and let you know.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 12:53:06 pm
OK this attempt was on my laptop.  Everything seems ok untill I get to the first screen (language choice I believe) and all I see is this....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 01:03:21 pm
OK this attempt was on my laptop.  Everything seems ok untill I get to the first screen (language choice I believe) and all I see is this....

I did not have this kind of trouble with the previous .iso or .25 either. 

My opengl renderer for this machine is a Mesa GLX indirect.  If that is any help.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 11, 2008, 01:22:30 pm
Tried the install on one more machine.

This one is a toshiba laptop , a satellite  p100.

The good news...
 it worked... as far as getting into the graphical installer part goes that is.  I have never been able to get past udev in any other version of VL on this machine before.   So cool..

The bad news...
Got the same "This application has raised an unexpected error an must abort. [26] Division by zero. MdlSetup.?.0"
error as I did with my HP desktop.

Also ended up with a Grub Error 17 on reboot with this one too.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: jasse on November 11, 2008, 01:34:53 pm
Also ended up with a Grub Error 17 on reboot with this one too.
Well, at least lilo seems to survive, but Linux won't boot.
My Windows partition is not touched either.

This is some bad news for the installer developers, but at least we are testing it  ;)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Lyn on November 11, 2008, 01:45:56 pm
Well the installer seemed quite slick, however it didn't give me an option to set the right keyboard, did not find my nvidia card or my network card.  As others have reported setting your host name doesn't work.  Also the initial log on screen with multiple redundant entries is confusing - especially all the gnome entries.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 11, 2008, 02:48:26 pm
Just installed 0.32. Twice. Hate to say it, but things seem to be going backward, not forward.

First, it comes up in what looks like 640x480, and no attempt to change the screen resolution results in anything usable. In 640x480 on my 14" laptop screen, there are numerous problems:

On the installation summary screen, the second box with optional packages is completely unusable - all that is shown is a narrow slit, can't see any names at all.

On the install window, only one of the two progress bars (the bottom one, I think) is visible.

On the user creation screen, none of the group information is visible - all you get is a small slice at the top. Can't set or change groups.

On the network config screen, the hardware address line goes off screen to the right - no use at all.

At the end of the install, two of the progress buttons on the left are left in red - the user accounts and final hardware configuration.

Initial login - the photo chooser now works, but I've got to say that the entire screen is as ugly as sin. It really does not look at all professional.

More bad news - after two installs, both times, even though details for a normal user were entered, no user was created. First time I thought I might have missed hitting the create user button, but I'm entirely sure I didn't on the second attempt. However, neither attempt resulted in the creation of a user account.

:( At the moment, the TUI install not only works much better, it looks better as well....


Hmm. Just went and tried to create the user that the install failed to create. Only to get a popup message:

Code: [Select]
User 'tooth' is already exist
Apart from the English (which is pretty reminiscent of early Japanese product manuals), it seems the install did create the user, just didn't create the necessary home directory structure.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vector on November 12, 2008, 12:30:39 am
Not to tire you all out but here is the latest: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.33.iso

Sound should be fixed and more tweaks to installer. Keep those test results coming very very helpful!!!!
I thank everyone for taking the time to do this but only way we are going to get it right..........so many hardware variables involved in any kind of gui setup.

Thanks again

Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vincent2 on November 12, 2008, 02:18:33 am
Bonjour!
 
Tried A.33,....ye... more stable than buggy A.32, Sound gets fixed ...
while at booting stage, it prompted "Alsa" failure, once entering GUI desktop,alsamixer does work, abit strange...
no problem of inputing japanese anymore
 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 02:25:28 am
1st test was on my older laptop.

The good...
the screen did not go crazy when the graphical installer started, this happened with a0.32
I could now both, collapse and expand the install tree.

The bad...

Still does not detect windows xp home partition, but I was able to proceed forward without it.
Failed during "Installing Base system programs..." stage with an error "[26] Division by zero. MdlSetup.?0
Was no longer able to load a boot menu after.

2nd I tested on a toshiba p100 satellite.

same results as above, the only difference being that on this machine lilo does not see xubuntu.
I should mention that it looks better, back to what a0.31 looked like. A0.32 just wasn't working for me. Maybe, another way to satisfy the people with the smaller screen. (scroll bars or something.)

One thought.  I may just have been a little slow my first time modifying partitions, because I spent a little to long trying to figure out why the next button was not working for me after I had set my partitions.  I did finally just quite gparted and was happy to see I didn't quit the whole set-up, but that quiting gparted was a necessary step.   Maybe the 'Next Button' could change to a 'Quit from menu'.

I also find the 'Next' button gives me trouble when I double tap the touch pad.  Not enough indication that it received the tap and is about to move forward.  I've tapped a few more times than I should have a couple times.

Will let you know if I get the same results on my desktop, later.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vincent2 on November 12, 2008, 03:06:07 am
Quote
1st test was on my older laptop.
.......................................
Still does not detect windows xp home partition, but I was able to proceed forward without it.
Failed during "Installing Base system programs..." stage with an error "[26] Division by zero. MdlSetup.?0
Was no longer able to load a boot menu after.
......................................................
2nd I tested on a toshiba p100 satellite.
..................................................
same results as above, th

Perhaps you should upgrade the BIOS of those old laptops to the latest version(can be found on their website), configure them overclock CPU a bit, set the Videoram  to maximum, enable DMA of IDE hardisk, or add more ram to the laptops at seconde-hand market....after that, you install Vector from  hardisk iso image with keybord (not mouse/touch pad), you''ll have  abit pleasant experiences  at installing vector.
also when making disk partition, chose to set the partitions("/"root  plus /home ) as XFG file system, would sppeed up harddisk write/read  abit...
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vincent2 on November 12, 2008, 03:21:05 am
Quote
OK this attempt was on my laptop.  Everything seems ok untill I get to the first screen (language choice I believe) and all I see is this....
may you let us know the brand and model name of ur old laptop?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vincent2 on November 12, 2008, 04:45:29 am
Bonjour!
 
On A.33, once booting into xfce4, wireless lan usb card(rtl8187l) wasn't recognized and initiated automatically as under A.32..
then went Wicd manager,it won't find the signal and connect at all,trying VLwifi then sytem could hang and dummy......do add a few wifi scan tool(such as wifi radar, air snort,etc) in next alpha/beta release.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 12, 2008, 06:46:47 am
A0.33:

It still did not see my W2K installation, but would allow me to continue by just clicking "Next". This is an improvement over 0.32.

As the progress bar on "Installing Base system programs ..." reached 100% I get the error previously reported:

This application has raised an unexpected error and must abort.
[26] Division by zero.
MdlSetup.?.0

When I click OK the installer exits. This is the first time I have seen this issue on my machine.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 12, 2008, 07:26:04 am
A0.33:

It still did not see my W2K installation, but would allow me to continue by just clicking "Next". This is an improvement over 0.32.

As the progress bar on "Installing Base system programs ..." reached 100% I get the error previously reported:

This application has raised an unexpected error and must abort.
[26] Division by zero.
MdlSetup.?.0

When I click OK the installer exits. This is the first time I have seen this issue on my machine.
I am working on a new method to detect other OS's installed on the system. The boot loader section will have to be completely re-done (I'm already on it)
Uelsk8s is helping me with the division by 0 and the progressbars issues... currently being worked on
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 09:37:56 am
Quote
OK this attempt was on my laptop.  Everything seems ok untill I get to the first screen (language choice I believe) and all I see is this....
may you let us know the brand and model name of ur old laptop?

This laptop is an Xplio cy-25-15.0.  Company is no longer in business.   Thankfully, however, this quote is from my test of version A0.32.  I did not have the same problem on A0.31 or A0.33.  So I'm back in business with the Xplio.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 12, 2008, 11:18:52 am
Just installed 0.33. Good news first....

Resolution is back to something usable. Machine name and domain are both correctly set. Sound is back.

Bad news - when creating a user, the user is created (shows as existing if when attempting to create a user of the same name from Vasm), but no home directory is set up.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 11:44:58 am
Because of the [26] Division by zero error I have had to complete install using the text installer.
Results on machine 1.
Processor   Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
     Memory   493MB (174MB used)
     OpenGL Renderer   Mesa GLX Indirect
     Audio Adapter   ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
     IDE Disks
     IC25N020ATCS04-0   
     QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW-241   

The good...
There is really a lot of 'good' considering it's still alpha.

The bad....( I imagine this will happen with the gui installer as well)
Hardware detection does not see my cd-rw/dvd-rom.  This worked fine in VL 5.9 standard.
Ran a cd-set scan via vasmCC and it says IDe CD-ROM drive could not be found
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 12, 2008, 12:13:37 pm
those of you getting the "Division by zero error", are you running a full install or custom.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 12:18:42 pm
those of you getting the "Division by zero error", are you running a full install or custom.

I have run a full install each time.  If I were to run custom what should I leave out to prevent the error.
Thanks.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 12, 2008, 12:24:59 pm
those of you getting the "Division by zero error", are you running a full install or custom.

I have run a full install each time.  If I were to run custom what should I leave out to prevent the error.
Thanks.
try running a custom install, and include everything.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 12:34:59 pm
Completed install via text installer, but this issue may apply to gui as well.
Toshiba Satellite p100
I am unable to configure wireless, even though driver iw3945 is present.

Wicd Manager does not see any wireless.
I am able to us VLwifi and am told I have connected but I can not surf the net.
When I do iwconfig in the terminal this is what it looks like...
wlan0     IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"ken2coul" 
          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated   
          Tx-Power=0 dBm   
          Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2352 B   
          Encryption key:686E-6C56-ED30-3DA6-9A21-8311-E3
          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

lsmod shows the following references to iwl3945 so I think the drivers I need are loaded, but still not working correctly.
mac80211              161824  1 iwl3945
led_class               4356  1 iwl3945
cfg80211               23944  2 iwl3945,mac80211
iwl3945                85620  0

PS, uelsk8s, I will do the custom installs, now and see if I still get a Division by zero error.
Thanks
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 12, 2008, 12:50:48 pm
Let's keep this thread flowing with the INSTALLER information..

Bugs such as this wireless thing should be in the PRODUCT thread. This is not related to the installer (at least not now)

Thanks
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 01:02:01 pm
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try running a custom install, and include everything.

I ran the custom install on the Toshiba p100 and the Xplio laptop both.  I ran the Xplio laptop without the ati or nvidia packages.  I ran the Toshiba without the ati package.  Everything else was included.  (if you think I should run again without taking out anything, just let me know)

Packages installed on both machines without incident.

 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 12, 2008, 01:03:03 pm
try running a custom install, and include everything.

That got me past the point where I got "Divide by 0" last time (right after "Installing Base system programs ...").

Got to the point of installing LILO, error:
Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz: No such file or directory
FAILED

Chose to continue without installing LILO. After creating a user and clicking "Next": Error:
This application has raised an unexpected error and must abort.
[45] File or directory does not exist
MdlNetconf.?.0
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 01:15:34 pm
I added the line acpi=off to my kernel boot options during the gui installer set-up.  Where do I look to see if that was applied?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 12, 2008, 01:22:34 pm
Because of the [26] Division by zero error I have had to complete install using the text installer.
Results on machine 1.
Processor   Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
     Memory   493MB (174MB used)
     OpenGL Renderer   Mesa GLX Indirect
     Audio Adapter   ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
     IDE Disks
     IC25N020ATCS04-0   
     QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW-241   

The good...
There is really a lot of 'good' considering it's still alpha.

The bad....( I imagine this will happen with the gui installer as well)
Hardware detection does not see my cd-rw/dvd-rom.  This worked fine in VL 5.9 standard.
Ran a cd-set scan via vasmCC and it says IDe CD-ROM drive could not be found

Can confirm that cd-rw/dvd-rom does not set-up with gui installer either, for this machine.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 13, 2008, 07:13:53 pm
New iso: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.34.iso
A bit of a warning, LILO isnt working in this one. You will have to either 1)edit /mnt/target/etc/lilo.conf from a terminal in the installer iso or 2)dont install lilo, boot from the cd, and run vliloconf.
We should have another ISO this weekend with lilo fixed.

The division by zero error should be fixed.

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on November 14, 2008, 12:16:21 am
Couldn't get past the network configuration bit... pressing "Next" didn't do a thing. Pressed "Exit" and then menu > reboot.
But maybe that's that supposed to happen with this iso? (haven't tried rebooting into the installed system yet)

Everything working great up to that point and looking very nice!
(except for the end of several words disappearing at the border of tabs)

Thank you!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 14, 2008, 12:38:29 am
Quote
The division by zero error should be fixed.

Seems fixed to me. Installed on two machines both of with failed because of the division by zero error before and no problem.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 14, 2008, 01:24:35 am
Quote
Couldn't get past the network configuration bit... pressing "Next" didn't do a thing. Pressed "Exit" and then menu > reboot.
But maybe that's that supposed to happen with this iso? (haven't tried rebooting into the installed system yet)

I've had this before as well.  It seems to happen when something is not entered correctly during user set-up. 

For example is I am creating a user and mistakenly put a capital in may user name, I will get a warning and I go back to fix it, but I will not be able to move forward from network configuration, after I go back and fix it. 

 It seems to be the going back that causes this.  If I ignore the warning and continue forward the system will pass network configuration but will not make the user and only will show root at log in.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on November 14, 2008, 04:10:23 am
Quote
It seems to be the going back that causes this.

That seems to fit. I think I pressed "Back" at some point to test it.
Will give it another try.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 14, 2008, 04:07:55 pm
Quote
It seems to be the going back that causes this.

That seems to fit. I think I pressed "Back" at some point to test it.
Will give it another try.

I've hit the same problem. If you use back, you will get stuck once you get to the page on which you pressed back ( :) if that makes sense....).

paul
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 14, 2008, 04:16:24 pm
Just installed using alpha 0.34. I've already mentioned the problem I've had with a user being created, but not having a home directory set up. I've managed to narrow it down a bit, which may help tracking the problem.

I have a 6 GB partition reserved for the alpha /. I also have a 42 GB partition that I use for home. During the install, I selected /dev/hda12 as /, selected xfs as the file system. Then selected /dev/hda7 as /home, selected not to format. Installed. Same problem - user exists, but there is no home directory for that user. I can fix it by logging in as root, removing the user with Vasm, then using Vasm to recreate the user. Not a good option....

As an experiment, I reinstalled 0.34, but this time only selected /dev/hda12 as root, and left /home to be part of the / partition. No problem with the user - created ok, and this time, the home directory has also been created and populated. I'm also getting the picture I selected as a login picture correctly, instead of the default image I was getting when home was on its own partition. This problem does not occur with the TUI installer, so there is something in the GUI which, while it picks up the /home partition and puts the correct entry for it into /etc/fstab, is not using it during the install.

Sound on this box is provided by an Intel IHC4 chipset. While sound is now being configured, it is coming through in Xfce as 'default' instead of the IHC4 option, which means that it doesn't work correctly without using the settings manager to change.

Those two problems are the only remaining ones for me in the GUI installer - everything else now seems to be working. Oh, sorry, with the exception of using the back button during install - that still stalls the process for me.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 14, 2008, 05:11:56 pm
you may have indeed found a bug. My guess is that i left out the code to mount the  /home partition. I will get it fixed
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: wcs on November 15, 2008, 12:15:34 pm
Quote
I've hit the same problem. If you use back, you will get stuck once you get to the page on which you pressed back

That seems to be the case. Fits with what I did.

A couple more minor points regarding the installer:

1. I think it would be useful to have a list of users that have been created so far in the user configuration screen, instead of just the message. It's useful to keep track of things, especially if after you hit next, you want to go back to add more users.
2. Network configuration said status "Unplugged", even though the cable was plugged in.
3. The user config. screen shows a little red ball on the sidebar, even after the installer has gone to the next stage.
4. I think I asked it to install xine, but can't find it. Perhaps only xine-lib is installed, but not a frontend?

Thank you!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 17, 2008, 08:05:38 am
A0.34:

Install completed without errors (ignoring reported LILO issue).

The windows handling LILO messages grow very tall when there are several boot options/and or messages. The "OK" button is halfway off-screen (1280x800 rez). Text also extends beyond lower limit of window, adding a scroll bar would be helpful.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 17, 2008, 08:43:44 am
A0.34:

Install completed without errors (ignoring reported LILO issue).

The windows handling LILO messages grow very tall when there are several boot options/and or messages. The "OK" button is halfway off-screen (1280x800 rez). Text also extends beyond lower limit of window, adding a scroll bar would be helpful.

yeah... that's a left-over debug message in there.. it'll be removed


Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: gamfa on November 19, 2008, 03:07:00 pm
You need to put in the latest firmware for the ipw3945 wireless. The one you have in 6.0 doesn't cut it. The new one (iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode) does.

Sorry...wrong thread....thought I was in the product thread
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 20, 2008, 08:27:07 pm
OK everyone new ISO is out: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.37.iso
This will be the last Alpha before Beta1 comes out in a couple days.

Please help find any bugs left, and shape the next Standard release.

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: vector on November 21, 2008, 12:15:41 am
Installed...........the installer is looking real good only thing i noticed was the frame around the installed users was a bit off..............just a note for M0E ............ :) Lilo works.............yaaay we are on are way to beta ville. Please everyone install this give a hard look and help us shape what should be a historic 6.0 release!!!!

Cheers,
Vec

ps a big thank you to M0E for countless hours of code writing on this and to Uel for major contributions to the code and providing us with those fresh iso's almost daily. This makes me a real proud papa to see people in all areas of Vectors ongoing development devote so much time to make a better Vector for all of us.............thank you to everyone .......this is indeed a wonderful community we have here!!!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 05:52:47 am
I'm downloading the ISO now to run a test and fix that frame.
We are about to enter code freeze status on the installer, so we need bug reports as well as translations for the installer.

I'd like to invite every user whose native language is not English, to please help us translate this project into your native tongue.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 21, 2008, 08:24:31 am
A0.37.

Test one; laptop, 1280x800 LCD, Intel video, sda1=w2k, sda2=swap, sda3,5,7=vl, sda8=xfs storage, sda6=install target
Install method: burned CDRW.

When selecting "Full" install:
- division by zero at point of initial file copying

When selecting "Custom" and all:
- Windows 2000 on /dev/sda1 (c:\winnt) not detected
- LILO failed:
  Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-sda6: No such file or directory
- Create User Accounts:
  Box right of input fields covers text above it
- NIC shows unplugged with cable inserted and light illuminated

When running vliloconf after install:
- Cannot find kernel (vmlinuz). Aborting LILO install
  there is no vmlinuz-2.6.26.8 in /boot
  copying it from CD to hard drive solved problem


Test two; desktop, 19" CRT, nV GF 5200, hda1,2,5=vl, hda3=swap, hda6=xfs storage, hdb1=install target
Install method: hosted ISO using "installer.gambas" from googlecode, rev 313.

No problems, except the "NIC unplugged" issue.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 21, 2008, 08:43:42 am
AO.37

Lilo now sees my xubuntu partition as Debian-sda1 but gives this error when hitting next on Lilo screen.

Warning: LBA-32 addressing assumed
Reding boot sector from /dev/sda
Warning :  Unable to determine wideo adapter in use in  the present system.
Calling map_insert _data
Mapping bitmap file /boot/bitmap/boot.bmp -> std.bmp
WarningL Video adapter does not support Vesa Bios extensions needed for
display of 256 colors. Boot loader will fall back to text only operation.

Boot image: /boot/tau/vmlinuz-sda1
Mapping Ram disk /boot/tamu/initrd-sda1
Fatal: open /boot/tamu/initrd-sda1: No such file or directory
Failed.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 08:57:15 am
AO.37

Lilo now sees my xubuntu partition as Debian-sda1 but gives this error when hitting next on Lilo screen.

Warning: LBA-32 addressing assumed
Reding boot sector from /dev/sda
Warning :  Unable to determine wideo adapter in use in  the present system.
Calling map_insert _data
Mapping bitmap file /boot/bitmap/boot.bmp -> std.bmp
WarningL Video adapter does not support Vesa Bios extensions needed for
display of 256 colors. Boot loader will fall back to text only operation.

Boot image: /boot/tau/vmlinuz-sda1
Mapping Ram disk /boot/tamu/initrd-sda1
Fatal: open /boot/tamu/initrd-sda1: No such file or directory
Failed.

It's good to see progress.

would you try again, and this time on the lilo screen, go to your Debian-sda1 tab and look right next to the Label box, there is a dropdown that should list the initrd options. Can you post the contents of that list?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 09:03:59 am
@ Nightflyer

The problem with the box of user names is fixed now (later revision)
- I still can't believe your win2k is not getting detected. It has worked for me and uel during the testing process.
  I am adding more liberal detection rules to see if we can catch this
- NIC status as "unplugged" is fixed
- Not sure why your kernels didn't get installed... did you get any other error messages before the configuration stage?

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 21, 2008, 09:23:58 am
AO.37
There is a box on the Create User Accounts Screen that I believe is to list user accounts created. WC's suggestion I believe.
The title above the box "User Accounts" is barely visible as the majority of it is covered by the box itself.

re: previous lilo problem...
Quote
would you try again, and this time on the lilo screen, go to your Debian-sda1 tab and look right next to the Label box, there is a dropdown that should list the initrd options. Can you post the contents of that list?
contents of list...
initrd
initrd.img
initrd.img.old

I didn't see that at all first time. Choose initrd.img and lilo set up fine.
Oh, by the way it's ubuntu on the partition not xubuntu.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 21, 2008, 09:24:35 am
- I still can't believe your win2k is not getting detected. It has worked for me and uel during the testing process.
  I am adding more liberal detection rules to see if we can catch this
Anything you want me to try in that regard?

Quote
- Not sure why your kernels didn't get installed... did you get any other error messages before the configuration stage?
None, but isn't my issue similar to stretchedthin's above?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: uelsk8s on November 21, 2008, 09:41:53 am
- I still can't believe your win2k is not getting detected. It has worked for me and uel during the testing process.
  I am adding more liberal detection rules to see if we can catch this
Anything you want me to try in that regard?

Quote
- Not sure why your kernels didn't get installed... did you get any other error messages before the configuration stage?
None, but isn't my issue similar to stretchedthin's above?
no, your issue is different.
the default kernel should be always installed.
can you try burning again, I would suspect the cdrw.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 21, 2008, 10:10:04 am
I would suspect the cdrw.

Agreed. I cleaned it off (soft clean cloth, using radial motions.. ;) ), next install successful.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 10:37:36 am
I would suspect the cdrw.

Agreed. I cleaned it off (soft clean cloth, using radial motions.. ;) ), next install successful.

Alright!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 21, 2008, 10:43:13 am
New test on laptop, using hosted routine and installer.gambas (rev 313):

At point where it detects installable media, several ISO's plus a CD in drive is detected. If I hit "Search again", it will only show the CD. I remove the CD and search again. Now nothing shows up.

Starting over, using ISO on hard drive, I chose NOT to check the box to search for windows installations. This time it did find my W2K on sda1 and added it to boot menu  ;D

At several points during the install, when the system is busy, it does not respond to clicking "Next". Waiting for things to settle down is the answer, but an impatient user with a slow computer may conclude the system has become unresponsive.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 11:00:51 am
So let me get this right... you choose not to mount your windows partitions (during partition selection)
or are you talking about the lilo setup window where you choose to include/exclude this OS from the boot menu?

The next button is disabled while the system is working. This is to prevent accidental double-clicks and just moving too fast
that was a feature request maybe considered an intentional bug I dont know
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 21, 2008, 12:44:13 pm
So let me get this right... you choose not to mount your windows partitions (during partition selection)
That is the screen I was referring to. However, I was wrong thinking it was what I did different with that checkbox that made the difference. After several more tests for LILO/W2K:  Hosted install using rev 313 does find and add Windows to boot menu in either case. It is either the newer installer, or the install method, that makes a difference.

Back to the above mentioned screen. If I check that box for "detecting and automounting.." and click "Next", it reports "No Windows partitions detected", even when sda1 is NTFS. It does not get automounted.

Quote
The next button is disabled while the system is working. This is to prevent accidental double-clicks and just moving too fast
that was a feature request maybe considered an intentional bug I dont know
I think this is a great idea. However, it seems like it often doesn't take the initial clicks. The button is not greyed out, it responds to first click almost like it starts to be depressed and then changes it's mind. Subsequent clicks don't do anything unless I move the cursor some distance first.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 12:59:50 pm
I think I've narrowed your problem with windows down to a missing ntfs-3g in the ISO. All development is of course done on a full install where all these tools are available.

Uelsk8s is working on getting that into the ISO to ensure windows partitions are handled correctly during install. This would explain why you see no windows partitions if you try to set them for auto-mounting.

The issue with the next button is more of an annoyance that I've noticed for a long time. On some steps it may appear as if the button is inactive, but the truth is, there is a lot going on in the background.
Another posibility might be the way the gambas gtk component is written (can't do anything there).

Keep them reports coming


Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 21, 2008, 01:19:34 pm
0.37 ( :) which thinks it is 0.36).

Towards the end of the install, it came up with a failure (couldn't install jre). Not a major problem - may be a bad burn, since I was in a hurry and the current version of Brasero doesn't like the LG CD burner in my other machine - it would be useful if md5sums were available for these builds...). Anyhow, the problem is much more the error handling, or lack of it.

I got a popup saying that the jre install had failed and the install would stop. Now I have an installer that is doing absolutely nothing. No arrows are active, and all that is happening is the credits have continued scrolling.

The GUI installer really needs a media checking option, and it needs some improvements in error handling.

I'll try a fresh burn tomorrow and see if I can get it through the install...

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 21, 2008, 03:09:14 pm
Looks like I have either a bad burn or a bad download. However, the interesting thing is that, using the TUI installer, I've been able to install 0.37 without any failures (since all the damaged packages are in the optional area).

One other item of note for the installer - Seamonkey has become an optional package. I think that is probably a very bad idea, unless some alternate email client is to be included. People unfamiliar with Seamonkey may well deselect it in favour of Firefox, and leave themselves short of any sort of email/news client.

Can someone give me the md5sum for the 0.37 iso? That way I can check whether it is just a bad burn or whether there was a problem during the download. I have been using the deltas, which provides a degree of self checking, but the quick jump from 0.34 to 0.37 meant that it really wasn't worth while downloading all the deltas, so this time I just downloaded the iso...

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 21, 2008, 10:10:33 pm
A0.37

After having done a fresh restall of window xp home, I used the gparted functionality to shrink it and make my linux partitions.
(Worked excellent by the way.)
I then moved on to the next window, choose my root, swap and that I wanted it to detect the windows.

However, like nightflier, I was told that a windows partition could not be detected.

I went on to complete the install to see if the lilo set up would tell me any different, but of course it did not.

I'm trying again.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 21, 2008, 10:25:32 pm
A0.37

After having done a fresh restall of window xp home, I used the gparted functionality to shrink it and make my linux partitions.
(Worked excellent by the way.)
I then moved on to the next window, choose my root, swap and that I wanted it to detect the windows.

However, like nightflier, I was told that a windows partition could not be detected.

I went on to complete the install to see if the lilo set up would tell me any different, but of course it did not.

I'm trying again.
Same result 2nd time.  This time though I choose not to install lilo, used the disk to boot, then used vliloconf.
This tool had no trouble detecting windows, but gave this error when I tried to install...
"Sorry, but the attempt to install Lilo has returned an error......etc, etc then...
lilo error=Fatal:Either Fix-Table or Ignore-Table must be specified.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: stretchedthin on November 22, 2008, 01:22:42 am
AO.37
This install is on a different machine.
Computer
Processor   2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
Memory   2005MB (842MB used)
Operating System   5.9 Standard GOLD built on Dec-16-07
Date/Time   Wed 12 Nov 2008 10:57:14 AM MST
Display
Resolution   1280x1024 pixels
OpenGL Renderer   GeForce 6150 LE/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
X11 Vendor   The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter   HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter   USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d

The first thing of interest is this... Of my 4 partitions the installer saw vl5.9, vl6.0, linux-mint xfce, but it did not see zenwalk. It was able to see zenwalk before(AO.25 and AO.31, but would generate an error that prevented lilo from setting it up unless I deselected zenwalk.

The last thing of interest is unique to this machine.  After I complete the entire install (full install option) and am rebooting to launch from harddrive for the 1st time, then my xorg.conf craps out on me. I get the screens I show here then I'm told my gdm will but shut down until I can fix things.

I had the same result with AO.31, A0.34 but I didn't mention because A0.25 worked fine on this machine and I could not duplicate it on my other machines.

After A0.25 Vector started trying to detect and configure the graphics hardware as the last step in the gui and that is when this trouble began.
 
When I install A0.37 using the text installer I do not have the same problem, (by the way, the text installer isn't seeing the debian OS during lilo set-up).)

Somehow, this behaviour seems tied to the specs on this machine, graphics card I presume. As I do not have similar problems on any other and I'm testing on 4 diff.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 22, 2008, 03:11:29 pm
0.37 was a bad burn the first time through. Copied the iso to a USB drive and burnt it on the laptop and it now works.

First problem. When I got to the user configuration, there is an empty, rectangular box to the right of the entry fields for the user. It seems to be partially covering some text, but I couldn't determine what the text said.

I wanted to reuse the user that I created for testing the alphas, so I entered the details for that user. And promptly hit an error:

Code: [Select]
This applicatino has raided an unexpected errro and must abort.

[38] File already exists.
FMUserAdd.?.0

While using the same user name has some risks, this response really isn't useful at all. On retry, I selected a new user name and the install completed.

Another matter. I don't use Lilo, so I've not taken a lot of notice of it in earlier installs. But I did take a look before I disabled it. And its giving some strange results on my laptop.

I've got XP installed on hda1, the os/2 boot manager on hda2, a small ext2 partition on hda6 (/boot for Zenwalk), /home (shared) on hda7, Zenwalk 5.2 / on hda8, Vector 5.9 Standard on hda9, Vector 5.9 SOHO on hda10, Vector 6.0 alpha on hda11, OpenSUSE (well, not any more, accidentally overwrote it with a Vector alpha) on hda12, Zenwalk 5.4 alpha on hda13.

Of those operating systems, the Lilo install didn't see Windows at all, didn't pick up the /boot partition for Zenwalk (which is also used for my single Grub install), and didn't pick up Zenwalk 5.4 alpha on hda13. Before I killed the OpenSUSE install, it was being seen as Slackware 12.

I forgot to check on the problems I was seeing with attempting to go back during the install and then stalling. I'll try another install later and see if that problem still occurs.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: Lyn on November 23, 2008, 12:56:23 am
Just installed the latest alpha, but again graphics card not detected as a nvidia card and no network connection, ethenet card not found :-(

Ran vasm and did auto detect hardware and got the nvidia card and also can surf the net now, though still got a no network card detected.

Now this is interesting, can connect to the net only if I log in in tui, then startx or startxfce4

So things are detected but not properly....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: toothandnail on November 24, 2008, 10:33:17 pm
I'm not sure if this is an installer or problem or a product problem. However, since I've not seen it happen after a TUI install, I guess it should be put here....

I've installed from alpha 0.37, using the GUI installer. After the installer, I used VASM to set the keyboard (a US keyboard is no use to me). However, after two attempts, I still have the US layout. Looking at /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows no keyboard setup at all:

Code: [Select]
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier     "X.org Configured"
Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/OTF"
FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "record"
Load  "GLcore"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver      "mouse"
Option     "Protocol" "auto"
Option     "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option     "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName    "Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        ### Available Driver options are:-
        ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
        ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
        ### [arg]: arg optional
        #Option     "NoAccel"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "SWcursor"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "Dac6Bit"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "Dac8Bit"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "BusType"            # [<str>]
        #Option     "CPPIOMode"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "CPusecTimeout"      # <i>
        #Option     "AGPMode"            # <i>
        #Option     "AGPFastWrite"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "AGPSize"            # <i>
        #Option     "GARTSize"            # <i>
        #Option     "RingSize"            # <i>
        #Option     "BufferSize"          # <i>
        #Option     "EnableDepthMoves"    # [<bool>]
        #Option     "EnablePageFlip"      # [<bool>]
        #Option     "NoBackBuffer"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DMAForXv"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "FBTexPercent"        # <i>
        #Option     "DepthBits"          # <i>
        #Option     "PCIAPERSize"        # <i>
        #Option     "AccelDFS"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DDCMode"            # [<bool>]
        #Option     "IgnoreEDID"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DisplayPriority"    # [<str>]
        #Option     "PanelSize"          # [<str>]
        #Option     "ForceMinDotClock"    # <freq>
        #Option     "ColorTiling"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "VideoKey"            # <i>
        #Option     "RageTheatreCrystal" # <i>
        #Option     "RageTheatreTunerPort" # <i>
        #Option     "RageTheatreCompositePort" # <i>
        #Option     "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # <i>
        #Option     "TunerType"          # <i>
        #Option     "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # <str>
        #Option     "RageTheatreMicrocType" # <str>
        #Option     "ScalerWidth"        # <i>
        #Option     "RenderAccel"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "SubPixelOrder"      # [<str>]
        #Option     "ShowCache"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DynamicClocks"      # [<bool>]
        #Option     "VGAAccess"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ReverseDDC"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "LVDSProbePLL"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "AccelMethod"        # <str>
        #Option     "DRI"                # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ConnectorTable"      # <str>
        #Option     "DefaultConnectorTable" # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DefaultTMDSPLL"      # [<bool>]
        #Option     "TVDACLoadDetect"    # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ForceTVOut"          # [<bool>]
        #Option     "TVStandard"          # <str>
        #Option     "IgnoreLidStatus"    # [<bool>]
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver      "radeon"
VendorName  "ATI Technologies Inc"
BoardName   "Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]"
BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device     "Card0"
Monitor    "Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth     24
EndSubSection
EndSection

I still think that keyboard layout selection should be part of the install, not something that has to be set after install, but this is badly in need of some sort of fix.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2 INSTALLER
Post by: nightflier on November 25, 2008, 06:13:26 am
A5, installed from burned CD, installed without any major glitches.  ;D
W2K detected, partition automounted.

Minor issues:
- Wired NIC still shows as unplugged when not.
- I had to run alsaconf again after install before sound came alive, even though it looked like sound card was detected at first.