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Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: Masta on September 01, 2008, 11:52:34 pm

Title: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Masta on September 01, 2008, 11:52:34 pm
Please post all but installer stuff here.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 05:28:05 am
Installed in a VM, so some of this may change with a real install.

First boot after install left me with no network, ACPI failed to start, HALD failed. Had to use startx to get X going, even though I had selected GUI boot. A reboot of the VM seems to have cleared most of that. I also used Vasm to do a basic network setup, though the first boot showed almost no modules (other than sound) loaded, so I'm not sure whether the Vasm step was necessary or not.

First impressions - looks excellent, very clean. I don't like the large menu button on the task bar (thought there was a smaller one produced for the 5.9 Standard final?), but that is minor.

I can't use the Xfce terminal at all - that was the same with Xfce under the last alpha. I'm not sure if that is some artifact of the graphics support under VB, will have to see on a real install. At present, I get a large window, with a divide down the right side. Can't enter any text.

Alt-F2 does not get me the run dialog - had to select Run from the menu to open an xterm. Urxvt has keyboard problems - HOME and END keys don't work - I'll have to apply the fix from the dyna version, if I can find it again.

VasmCC doesn't start from the taskbar. Trying it from a terminal as root gets me a 'command not found'. Also, the gksu (?) prompt is a bit strange - hitting enter after entering the root password doesn't work, I have to click on OK.

Quit menu in Xfce only offers logout, both shutdown and restart are grayed out.

More later....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 11:39:44 am
Annoyance - Mousepad is set up for some enormous screen size. I had to delete ~/.config/mousepad/mousepadrc before I could get it to a size usable on my poor old 1024x768 laptop screen. The mousepadrc provided in /etc/skel needs to be fixed or removed.

Vcpufreq seems to be missing? Doesn't work from either the taskbar or terminal, and I can't locate it.

Same goes for Xscreensaver....

paul
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 02:44:52 pm
 ;D Next episode....

Mplayer has a menu entry, but is not installed.

Mplayer plugins are installed in Seamonkey, but without the base package, they don't work.

Missing menu icons for about xfce, settings > autostarted applications

Gslapt doesn't work from the menu, but does work from the toolbar launcher (/usr/share/applications/gslapt.desktop does not call /sbin/vsuper).

Media refresh from the taskbar launcher fails - sginfo is not found.

No wbar! Installed from the 5.9 repo works, but the wbarconf found by slapt-get fails - doesn't pick up the correct Python deps.

More later....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 02, 2008, 05:14:03 pm
Last one for the night, I promise....

ntfs-3g is not installed, even though it is used by Vasm when adding an NTFS mount point to the system. Works once its installed, just not there in the install.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 03, 2008, 09:26:33 am
Another niggle - using the Vasm network menu to set hostname doesn't work. Doesn't change /etc/hosts, nor does it make changes to /etc/rc.d/rc.S. As a result, any change to host name ends up with complaints about address lookup when Xfce starts.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 03, 2008, 08:51:35 pm
I installed it today on my 1.3 GHz Celeron. No installation problems. This computer is my only one with a floppy drive, so I put LILO on a floppy disk. I had created a Linux-formatted floppy disk from my VL 5.9 partition right before I installed Alpha2 on another partition. LILO is working fine.

I'm thrilled to have XFce back. When I start XFce I get an error message: "Could not look up internet address for vector.linux.net. This will prevent Xfce from operating properly." I tell it to Continue and haven't noticed any problems.

As already noted, vasmCC doesn't work. In fact, it doesn't appear on the partition. VASM appears to work okay from the desktop icon, though I need to enlarge its window.

I wanted to set up my SCSI scanner but I couldn't find sane or sane-find-scanner. They appear to be missing.

mplayer is available but when I try to start it from a terminal, I get an error message: error while loading shared libraries: libfaac.so.0. I can't play an audio stream in SeaMonkey, probably because mplayer isn't working. I'm happy to have SeaMonkey back.

Alt-F2 doesn't do anything. I have to get a Run... box from the desktop menu.

I set up my network connection with no problems using VASM and connected to the Internet right away (I use static IP addresses). This is a wired connection. I quickly set up my nfs network with my other Linux machines without problems.

This alpha version feels a bit more ready for use than the previous version. I need to copy over some fonts and icons from my 5.9 partition and will try to install OOo, Scribus, and Inkscape. I've already installed Tuxcards and CheckBook Tracker, which I must have on all of my Linux machines.

No ntfs-3g on this system--I won't write to NTFS partitions until it's available.

I couldn't find any display power management settings. I like to set a time for my monitor to turn off.

I feel things are coming along nicely. Thank you, Vec and devs! Will post more as I delve deeper.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 04, 2008, 06:05:00 am
No ntfs-3g on this system--I won't write to NTFS partitions until it's available.

That seems to be an oversight. Can be installed using Gslapt - its in the current repo.

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I couldn't find any display power management settings. I like to set a time for my monitor to turn off.

The screen power management options are part of xscreensaver. Also available in the repo, and, I presume, another oversight in the iso build.  I also ended up enabling CPU throttling manually (this laptop gets pretty hot if it runs at 1.8 GHz all the time).

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I feel things are coming along nicely. Thank you, Vec and devs! Will post more as I delve deeper.

Indeed. The GUI installer has quite a few issues as yet, but looks promising. Once cleanly installed, VL6 alpha is looking very good indeed. I've already built a few packages against it for my own use (things like conky, dar, aterm). So far, they've all built cleanly (and more easily than against the dyna.7 build that I was using for VL6.0 stuff - far less problems with dependencies).

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Masta on September 04, 2008, 07:08:07 pm
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mplayer is available but when I try to start it from a terminal, I get an error message: error while loading shared libraries: libfaac.so.0.
Thank you! This is more informative than "Mplayer doesn't work, I think it's not installed".


As a tip to anyone else testing (obviously some of you know, so just discard) , when an application is not working from the menu, or as a plug in, please try to run that application from a terminal and post output when possible.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 04, 2008, 09:15:35 pm
I've hit a problem with the Thunar right-click context menu. Using 'install package' to install an upgrade results in the data for both packages being left in /var/log/packages. And, in some instances at least, with old files being left behind. This didn't happen under 5.9 Standard.

In both cases, the custom action calls /sbin/vinstallpkg. Under 6.0 alpah 0.12, vinstallpkg uses installpkg to install the package. Under 5.9, it uses upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall, which seems to be a much better option.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 04, 2008, 09:38:44 pm
mplayer is installed, however, not some libraries:

:$ /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/mplayer|grep found
        libfaac.so.0 => not found
        libx264.so.59 => not found
        libsmbclient.so.0 => not found
        libspeex.so.1 => not found
        libdv.so.4 => not found


Here Alt-F2 is working shows a run box.

ImageMagic is installed and opening, however, is not in the Menu under Graphics.

Gslapt will not open from Menu, it does from a terminal command.

Unable to get my printer working. This time the device I need for my printer is not listed in cups. I think it should be just LPR. It was listed in the previous alpha version.

I run this out of dillo, the version found in DSL which I have in my /usr/local which I have attached to VL-6.0, the same with my old /home from slackware. All works fine.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 05, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
Problems with a USB hard drive, NTFS format. The drive mounts, Thunar opens, then complains that it cannot open the directory, permission denied.

Seems to be due to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-ntfs-policy.fdi being missing. Copying one from a 5.9 Standard install fixes the problem.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 05, 2008, 08:19:11 pm
Due to a brain cramp,  I posted a rather lengthy message reporting my successes and failures in the past two days in the wrong place. Rather than repeat it, I'll give the link to it here:

http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7061.msg49311#msg49311

Please check that out if you're interested.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 05, 2008, 10:17:47 pm
Just installed the latest fluxbox-1.1.0 in prefix=/usr and it runs flawlessly in combo with xfce4-panel.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 06, 2008, 09:39:34 pm
Anyone tried to start lxde from the console? It gives error:

/usr/bin/slartlxde no such file.....

It's an obvious typo in xinitrc.lxde.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: MikeCindi on September 06, 2008, 10:14:53 pm
Set this one up in VirtualBox 2.0 (as I'm out of partitions at the moment). Had similiar issues as toothandnail until I loaded the vboxadditions. Although I've not done much yet what I have tried has worked okay except the gslapt link in the menu doesn't seem to work. This has been a common issue in the past and running it from the command line as root works as it should. Running as a user gets the following:
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mscott:$ gslapt
/home/ftp/pub/veclinux/packages: Permission denied
Please update permissions on /home/ftp/pub/veclinux/packages or run with appropriate privileges
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Lyn on September 07, 2008, 06:22:33 am
One small thing, when loaded and installed, on reboot the LILO log on screen - where you chose with distribution to boot, the choice of black on dark blue makes the choices difficult to see, white text when you select it is good, but the blue and black combination just lacks the required contrast.  I know this is an aesthetic nitpick but I think worth changing to give a bit of polish.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kc1di on September 07, 2008, 06:50:06 pm
Finally got a minute to install vl 6.0 A2-  first impression look good , one thing every time I try to run the terminal formt he panel it crashes the xserver.. and the log in screen come up.

Thanks for all the hard work.
dave
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kc1di on September 07, 2008, 07:09:53 pm
gslapt menu entry does not work- work ok if run from terminal.
also any time I try to open terminal it crashes x-server. uxrvt works fine..
Would like to see filezilla added to the network menu (just my preference gftp though good is no longer being developed)

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 08, 2008, 06:25:54 pm
Today I did a cold boot into VL6a2 and when I did startx (I boot to runlevel2), XFce came up at 640x480 resolution. It's supposed to be 1280x1024. Nothing had changed in /etc/xorg.conf. I logged out and logged back in, did startx, and the resolution was still 640x480.

I'll try again after a cold boot, but I can't do much more with this version if I can't get it to run at 1280x1024.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 09, 2008, 02:45:02 pm
I've hit a problem with Gslapt under the alpha. Not every time, but frequently, if I use it to install a few packages at the same time, it does part of the job, then freezes and has to be killed.

Just happened a few minutes ago - I selected three packages (samba, ntp and wxGTK). The progress indicator got to the middle of installing wxGTK, then stopped. After 10 minutes, I killed Gslapt from the console. Turns out that only ntp had been installed, though both samba and wxGTK had been downloaded.

I had similar problems with the 5.9 Standard betas, but haven't seen it since then.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 09, 2008, 06:53:28 pm
Here once again my old gripe:

Linux Newbies will not be able to make an Internet connection if they have a Davicom eth card. This holds true for Slackware and its clones (I checked 5) with the one exception VL-Live-CD.

To get a connection needs some hacking first. When it happened to me the first time, and I could not call myself a Newbie after 6 years Linux, I could not use Sackware for 4 days untill it was fixed with the help of some gurus from a Newbie list.

The distros DSL or Fedora do not have this problem. Install and Internet connection is up and running with a Davicom eth card.

If VL was able to get it right once with the Live-CD, as a first among slackies, why could the "trick" not be incorporated into all VL releases? I think it was Uelsk who did it.

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 09, 2008, 09:02:17 pm
Today I found out that the problem with resolution I reported above was due to PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair). I had changed the vertical refresh rate to 60 - 60 minimum and maximum. I thought that would be okay because the preferred refresh rate for this LCD monitor is 60 Hz. Well, apparently xorg didn't agree with me.<g>

When I restored my backup xorg.conf, I got my 1280x1024 resolution.

I found a fix on the Net for my Google Earth problem and changed some permissions so I can run it from my user account.

No problems showed up today. I didn't have a chance to see whether I could get more printers installed now that I have the gutenprint drivers on my system. The system is pretty good for so early in development.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 10, 2008, 02:00:41 pm
Some real successes today. First of all, xorg.conf held its 1280x1024 resolution through a couple of restarts of X and a cold boot. So my diagnosis of the problem and restoring the xorg.conf file with the default Vertical refresh rates did the trick.

Best of all, I got my printers installed and was able to print test pages from my two inkjets! Installing Ghostscript and the gutenprint drivers did the trick. It didn't work the last time because I didn't stop the CUPS service and restart CUPS. Starting up the computer from its "off" state took care of that and now I can install printers and they're working. I even got the crappy Lexmark X1270 printing.

The next thing I'll try is getting my Sony Clie PDA to sync with JPilot.

So at this point, it looks as if I can use VL6a2 for day-to-day work on this Celeron desktop. I have just about all the programs I use installed and they're working pretty well.

I won't be able to test the graphical installer until I replace my flaky CD-RW/DVD drive. Sorry about that. That replacement is a fairly low priority here.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 11, 2008, 09:17:37 pm
I followed what GrannyGeek did and installed ghostscript and gutenprint and then cups accepted the jobs since now my printer and its device were there, except the printer did not want to print. lpq showed the jobs. So I thought it will come after rebooting which I did.

Then after showing the first line on the console about BIOS data the screen went blank and noting happened any more. Second try the same.

End for me for this alpha2 version.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 11, 2008, 10:09:27 pm
I followed what GrannyGeek did and installed ghostscript and gutenprint and then cups accepted the jobs since now my printer and its device were there, except the printer did not want to print. lpq showed the jobs. So I thought it will come after rebooting which I did.

Then after showing the first line on the console about BIOS data the screen went blank and noting happened any more. Second try the same.

End for me for this alpha2 version.

I didn't mention that I also installed espgs from our repos. I boot into runlevel 2. I didn't install hpijs because I have no HP inkjets.

Let us know if any of this helps. Of course, if you can't get into your installation...
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 12, 2008, 08:15:43 pm
Was able to login again. It wanted another lilo run. Still the printer does not print.

Installed gnome http://gnome.slacky.eu/gnome/12.0/2.20.3/. I like it, all seem to work fine. Used the gnome printer configure program to configure printer. It still will not print.

All the jobs are lined-up but printer won't move ???

I always use run level 2. I hate display managers. They are obnoxiously tenacious.

BTW HOW do I disable the blue splash screen on booting?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on September 13, 2008, 02:16:07 pm
Errr..  two issues, Pita:  6.0 is based on 12.1 not 12.0.  We have a complete GNOME in our 6.0 repository under gsb.  There's even a meta package for installing the whole kit and kaboodle.   I think it would be more helpful to test Vetcor GNOME packages than third party packages for an older build of Slackware.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 13, 2008, 07:24:27 pm
Sorry Caitlyn, I thought this alpha version had no more gnome. I will have it corrected.

Regards

ps.: I just found with this DSL dillo version I am automatically logged-in into this forum.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 14, 2008, 10:03:57 pm
Errr..  two issues, Pita:  6.0 is based on 12.1 not 12.0.  We have a complete GNOME in our 6.0 repository under gsb.  There's even a meta package for installing the whole kit and kaboodle.

I was going to install the complete Gnome on my VL6a2 today, but I noticed it was going to install Firefox 2.0.0.something. I have Firefox 3.0.1 that comes with VL6 and was afraid I might get some conflict if I had both Firefoxes installed. Is this is valid concern?

If having the two Firefoxes won't cause problems, I'll install it once I get an okay on this forum.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: vector on September 15, 2008, 01:51:57 am
There seems to be a lot of confusion on the gnome part of things with 6.0. The first very alpha had gnome as default. This was a test for community reaction............mostly negative so second release we went back to xfce4. Xfce-4.6 alpha was just released I built and tried it no where near usable at this point and they are saying december for a stable release.I was actually kind of excited about a gnome release for 6.0. We have never been there and slackware fans tend to hate gnome ,,,,,,,,,,,,but in its latest carnation not that bad. So I would like to use a stripped gnome for 6.0 with xfce4 as backup but i think just going out as 6.0 with gui installer and nothing much else to offer except xfce4 and normal updates will gain us little. Vector needs something to get some publicity if gnome is still a bad idea then alternatives please?

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kc1di on September 15, 2008, 03:17:03 am
Just my two cents worth Vector- I think Vector Standard has always been known for being able to run well on older equipment and that is one of the reasons there is so much reluctance to Gnome.  Perhaps a try with E-17 may be in order, just a thought. It's reletively fast and been fairly stable on those machines I have tried it on.  I'm not a big fan of Gnome, though it's a good desktop it's just never been a good fit for me personally.  I've usually gone for KDE or XFCE. though LXDE shows promise it's still not quite there yet. Which ever desktop you decide I know Vector will still be one of the best out there.  A move to E-17 would however generate the publicity,  I don't know if it will be able to do all the ordinary things easily that people want to do
Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: uelsk8s on September 15, 2008, 06:38:42 am
Errr..  two issues, Pita:  6.0 is based on 12.1 not 12.0.  We have a complete GNOME in our 6.0 repository under gsb.  There's even a meta package for installing the whole kit and kaboodle.

I was going to install the complete Gnome on my VL6a2 today, but I noticed it was going to install Firefox 2.0.0.something. I have Firefox 3.0.1 that comes with VL6 and was afraid I might get some conflict if I had both Firefoxes installed. Is this is valid concern?

If having the two Firefoxes won't cause problems, I'll install it once I get an okay on this forum.
--GrannyGeek
You can have both versions of FF installed at the same time. It shouldn't cause any problems.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Joe1962 on September 15, 2008, 07:42:13 am
A move to E-17 would however generate the publicity
Indeed, last time we released something with E17 we got a boatload of good press...
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on September 15, 2008, 11:00:48 am
Hi, Vector, and everyone else,

In VL 5.9 we had three choices for the desktop (Xfce, Fluxbox, and JWM).  I'd like to see three again on 6.0, with the choices being Xfce (default), Enlightenment, and LXDE.  My preference is Xfce but that set of choices at install time would be pretty unique.  Leave GNOME as a post-install option or put it on a second disk (Deluxe?). Don't make VL just another full featured but heavy and bloated distro.  Also have fluxbox and JWM as post-install options.  (I'll build the new JWM package shortly.)

I also think stripping down GNOME would be a huge mistake.  Folks who like GNOME are like folks who like KDE:  they want all the bells and whistles.  If you strip it we'll get press for sure:  about our "crippled" or "incomplete" GNOME.

The 2.6.25.x kernel is new enough to have the open source Atheros driver, isn't it?  ath5k works well on some card but not others (including mine) and the same is true with madwifi.  No distro offers the choice to choose one or the other if an Atheros card is detected.  In Zenwalk 5.2, which has ath5k, I had to blacklist the module and then compile and install madwifi from source.  It would be really nice, and also unique to VL, to offer the user the choice either through the installer, through vasm, or both.

The thing that has always been missing in VL is localization.  A relatively simple tool to allow changing the default locale and language added to vasm would be a huge step forward.  The scripting is simple enough that even I could write the back end.  The GUI part is what I can't do.  I'd also like to see a version of the display manager (gdm?) that also allows language/locale switching.

With those changes plus all the updated apps there would be enough new to make 6.0 a major step forward for VL.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 15, 2008, 12:53:53 pm
You can have both versions of FF installed at the same time. It shouldn't cause any problems.

Great! I'm installing gsb-complete through Gslapt as we speak.

The complete package is putting in a ton of stuff I don't want, but I don't know what I do want so I went with the whole thing (and also for testing purposes). I do like to have any KDE and Gnome components and libraries needed for using whatever KDE or Gnome programs I want, even though I don't use their desktop environments.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 15, 2008, 01:28:26 pm
I'm using VL6a2 heavily on my testbed computer (the Celeron 1.3 GHz desktop). It is working very well and has been quite stable for me. I have added quite a few apps that I always put on my Linux systems.

I've been asking myself "what's new?" as I'm testing. I can't try the graphical installer on this system because its CD-RW/DVD drive has gotten flaky and won't read a homemade CD. So I've had to use a direct-from-ISO-on-hard-drive install and it doesn't offer the graphical installer. I don't expect to be able to try the graphical installer until I replace the drive, and that won't be any time soon.

So it has come down to "new kernel" and "newer versions of apps" so far. This computer has always been very Linux-friendly, so I wasn't missing anything with 5.9's kernel. The real test will come when VL6 is far enough along for me to put it on my laptop, where I have wireless to contend with. I had tons of trouble with wireless during 5.9's beta and RC days, but by the time 5.9 went Gold wireless was working pretty well.

Gnome seems too far removed from the philosophy of VL Standard to be the default desktop. I personally don't care about "lightness" because even my oldest computer (the Celeron) has a gig of RAM and loads of hard drive space and a processor powerful enough to run 32-bit VL quite well even though it's quite obsolete. But even though we now have VL Light for those with really old hardware, I don't think we should abandon the philosophy for VL Standard. What I've always liked about Standard is that it gives me a complete, basic system out of the box and I can then add whatever I want so it suits me exactly.

I think Caitlyn's ideas about what desktops to offer in the ISO are good. Gnome should be an option in the repos and on a second Deluxe CD. Same for KDE. I'm right now installing Gnome from our repos and there is an awful lot in it that I don't want, but I don't know what I do want so I'm getting it all. Maybe Vec's idea of a stripped Gnome would be good for a repo package. That is, include whatever would be installed in an ISO Gnome in an optional package so that someone like me could get a minimal Gnome without trying to figure out what basics I needed.

A tool for easy setup of wireless that works almost all of the time would be a real plus for VL6. Setting up video also seems to be a weak point, though I haven't had much trouble. We do see this brought up fairly often on the forum, though. Another problem is that the repos have less in them than the distros that get all the publicity. I know packagers work on this (thank you!) so it's not that we're not trying, but prospective users don't care about that. We seem to have quite a lot of "geeky stuff" but basic things like Scribus and Inkscape aren't there. I compiled Scribus 1.3.3.12 (the latest stable) myself and also Inkscape 0.46, but my packages don't conform to the Vector rules though they work for me.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on September 15, 2008, 02:08:01 pm
GrannyGeek raised some excellent points.  There doesn't just have to be one meta package for a desktop environment.  There can be one for complete and one for minimal.  I think that's a great idea that I'd like to see done for GNOME, KDE, and Enlightenment if we end up offering it.  Meta packages aren't hard to do (not much more than a slack-required file and a slack-desc file) and I've been thinking about making ones for language support, i.e.: install everything you need to have French fully supported on VL 6 Standard.  Of course, it's impossible to make a meta package until the package list for the final release has become reasonably stable.

I also agree with Granny on philosophy.  SOHO is the full-featured VL, Standard is the sleek and slim version for ordinary systems, and Light is for the old and the netbook/UMPC crowd.  That's the way t seemed to work on 5.9 and it's a sensible approach.

Packages available really depends on what the volunteers want to do.  We've got a steady flow of 6.0 packages going into testing now thanks to folks like toothandnail and kc1di.  We've even had updated (bugfix) packages and security fix packages already (thanks, Paul and Dave) which I hope will be incorporated into the next development release iso.  Hopefully by the time 6.0 releases we'll have a decent repository ready.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: wcs on September 15, 2008, 02:38:52 pm
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with the choices being Xfce (default), Enlightenment, and LXDE.

I agree. Seems like a great combination, and all these are relatively light.
(I guess having vl with E17 as default would make it quite unique, but I don't know how stable it is for that)

The problem seems to be that xfce 4.6 is only coming in December so we wouldn't have time to test it properly before releasing. In the end, the package will show up in the repo, and (at least some) users will upgrade, with whatever problems that may bring. I remember this being discussed before, but I would favour a shorter release schedule for vl. Perhaps a release with pretty much only the graphical installer, and a later release (say, 6 months) with the new xfce. I'm aware this must be very difficult (for developers, packagers, and testers), but I think it would really get the word out more.

As for the apps, by having the gnome libs we could invest in having a great app mix. That could be what would make vl a bit more distinctive: the combination of apps both light and not so light (some of them gnome apps).
It doesn't have to be gnome, the same thing can be done by having kdelibs and kdebase. And, say, Amarok and k3b on top of that, or some other kde package.
And, of course, users could then choose if they want this stuff at install time. The counterargument being "what's the point in this, if users can also just install a simple system and then go to the repo and get gnome and kde apps, if they feel like it?".

Which brings us back to the repo, which should be quite beefed up by the time of release....
Choices, choices.....
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 16, 2008, 01:46:00 am
I made a new install to get rid of all the "fake" gnome. Then started to install the real gnome from the VL repository untill I thought I had enough to open the desktop. It took for ever with my connection to download.

Boy it looks great I am sure kids will love it. Just when one switches virtual screens, what an effect. Not that I will use it, I love my fluxbox too much.

I then left it unattented since my tea time was up. When I came back gnome had switched to screensaver and froze the keyboard possibly the whole system. That was not nice.

Dirty reboot.

As for printing I switched to HAL and could print a test page, hower, nothing else. On second reboot even the test page would not print anymore. Changed to VL-Hot, again noting doing re printing.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Masta on September 16, 2008, 07:47:57 pm
I've personally been near dying for E-17 on VL, without having to compile and install it myself, or without grabbing the latest slack -E17 and work over the scripts.

I've never really hated gnome, but it never really appealed to me either. Since we've played with it and tossed it into our first testing release, I have to say that it does have potential, even on older machines (just need to gut it down some, or strip it as Vector mentioned).

This is a very good opportunity for the community to decide what goes in as default though.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on September 16, 2008, 10:14:41 pm
Today I installed the complete Gnome package from our repo. It includes many very nice applications but it does take almost 4 gigs of space. Therefore, I don't think a complete Gnome system fits into VL Standard as a "lean and mean" distro. So I vote for having a complete package to give a user the whole thing and a stripped down package to supply just the basics. I don't like Gnome as a desktop and will keep XFce.

I installed xsane from the repo and now my scanners are working. O happy day! I nearly fell over when the system recognized the scanner part of my Lexmark X1270. That's a new addition to sane. Unfortunately, the driver isn't that great. There are faint wide vertical lines on the scanned image. They don't matter for quick and dirty scanning but are not good for a serious scan. I know it's the driver and not the scanner glass or the scanner because I booted into Windows XP on this computer and ran the scanner from Windows. No streaks, no vertical lines. So I wish there were a better driver for Sane, but what we have is a lot better than nothing. My very old Microtek ScanMaker E6 has a good Linux driver and I use that if I need a good-quality scan. The important thing is that my scanners are working in VL6a2!

I also installed JPilot and am syncing with my Sony Clie. And I have AmaroK working well.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 17, 2008, 09:41:15 pm
Having started Linux with RedHat it was naturally gnome. Then I switched to slackware and at that time both gnome and kde were offered to either install. I stayed with gnome since I never develeoped a liking for kde.

When slackware dropped gnome I used for a while enligtenment, FVWM, xfce and finally settled with fluxbox.

I had always gnome installed even in VL-5.8, dropline-gnome, since I am so used to some of their programs. That is why I welcome the idea to have gnome as a choice. It makes it easier at least for me. One would expect to be always up-to-date.

My choices are fluxbox, gnome, xfce4.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: vector on September 17, 2008, 11:27:55 pm
First of all thank you for all the feedback. To me the general consensus points to xfce as the default de. Several have mentioned e17 as a secondary choice if for nothing else the wow factor and eye candy. The third being lxde or fluxbox for those wanting a more minimalistic approach. There also seems to be a consensus that some gnome applications would be good but not the full blown de. I have some basic packages for e17 built (ie only 5.9 at the moment) but easy enough to do for 6.0. I think that pcmanfm looks to much like thunar from xfce and is the major component of lxde so to me fluxbox might be the good choice as the third option. I am intrigued by e17 as several distro's are basing themselves there but I would need a small task force to explore it's options and to come up with a good configuration that fits VL.
Finally the gnome apps that would warrant inclusion? We need a list of say the top ten then maybe distill it down to a half dozen or so. Hopefully. we can come to general consensus here so we can commit to a template to build 6.0. If all agree to xfce e17 and fluxbox as the template then we will start separate threads for each as well as a general thread for the combined effect. Now seems like a good time to vote or offer a different template so we can move forward.
cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on September 18, 2008, 01:01:25 am
Two things the alpha is lacking at the moment might be candidates. First, no GUI digital camera application (at the moment I can't build Gtkam because I can't get libexif-gtk to build), so Gthumb might be a good alternative. I think its a better app than Gtkam anyway, but it does carry quite a few deps. Its already in the gsb repo.

Second is a good CD/DVD burner. Brasero is now quite mature, and is no longer dependant on Nautilus CD burner to function. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of K3B, but fits a Gtk base system better than K3B and does a pretty good job.

While there are a few things broken in the alpha, it has been very stable for me, impressively so for alpha level code. I'm looking forward to the next one....  ;D

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kc1di on September 18, 2008, 04:15:27 am
I Like the template you mention Vector , with that said I would like to see the Gnome print manager included in the final. It's a much easier setup proceedure for the newbie to get his printer working. than Xfce's and Kde's.  I haven't looked at what Deps that requires , if not that app then VL needs a better printer recognition app. That is one thing I think that is holding us back. I know cups is not that difficult to setup through the web page set up. But most of those coming from other distros simply have never had to use that proceedure.

I personally like gnome-games also - but that could be just an installation offering from the repros.

I'm no expert with E-17 but if I can be of help with any packages let me know i will give it a try.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on September 19, 2008, 12:03:00 am
The following programs of gnome I am using regularly -r/irregularly -ir:

gjots -r

gpasman -r

gqview -ir

gthumb -r

gnumeric -ir

gxine -r

totem -r

network-tools -ir

gnome-panel and its applets -ir

nautilus -ir

There might be others I am not aware of if gnome or not.

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: blurymind on September 19, 2008, 02:29:08 am
one of the reasons distros like debian and buntu to be such a sucess is not gnome itself,but the dependencies for many applications it delivers.

If not a default option,i strongly believe that gnome should be present at the repos for packagers and the like to have acess to the rich list of apps at gnomefiles.org

Yes,as a DE it takes lots of ram and for old hardware this is not an option,but its nice to have it avaiable,and its components especially.

gnome apps that i like

network-tools
firestarter
brassero


phatch
comix
f-spot

gdesklets
although google gadgets is better
http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on September 19, 2008, 09:06:16 am
I think blurymind hit the nail on the head when it comes to GNOME.  Available is good, mandatory is bad.  Another key is for packagers to read through the instructions provided by developers and if there is a choice to build with GNOME support and dependencies or without they should always build without.  The problem I find with Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora is that they build packages with more dependencies than are needed to insure tight GNOME integration.  That also insures bloat in a major way.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Lyn on September 19, 2008, 03:18:53 pm
I quite like the idea of having gdesklets working with xfce.... but I agree keep gnome as an optional install, maybe with two meta packages big gnome and minimum gnome. 

Having said that I still love IceWM :-)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: stretchedthin on September 19, 2008, 06:48:52 pm
I also like the idea of gdesklets, there is a great little investment watching tool, there I like.   
I would have liked to have tryed google gadgets but I could never build it in vector because of Mono I think. (Not that I had mono, but you
know what I mean) :)
network-tools,
GnuCash right from GSlapt dependencies and all while still in xfce, would be great.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: wcs on September 19, 2008, 09:38:54 pm
I vote for firestarter, network-tools, gnumeric/abiword, and maybe totem and leafpad. Perhaps brasero, if it is a good replacement for k3b,.
I was a bit disappointed with rythmbox... I didn't find it nearly as good as amarok. Anyone tried muine?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: nitro25 on September 24, 2008, 11:09:51 am
fglrx install failed works in 5.9 perfectly

[Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating kernel module now.
ATI module generator V 2.0
==========================
initializing...
cleaning...
patching 'highmem.h'...
assuming new VMA API since we do have kernel 2.6.x...
 Assuming default VMAP API
 Assuming default munmap API
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.25.15/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.15'
  CC [M]  /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_SetPageNoCache':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1161: warning: 'change_page_attr' is deprecated (declared at include/asm/cacheflush.h:28)
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_PosixSecurityCapGetEffectiveVector':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1888: error: implicit declaration of function 'cap_t'
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function 'KCL_PosixSecurityCapSetEffectiveVector':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1896: error: lvalue required as left operand of assignment
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function '__ke_check_pci':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:1951: warning: 'pci_find_slot' is deprecated (declared at include/linux/pci.h:508)
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c: In function '__ke_pci_find_slot':
/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:2840: warning: 'pci_find_slot' is deprecated (declared at include/linux/pci.h:508)
make[2]: *** [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [_module_/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.15'
make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2
build failed with return value 2
[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Andy Price on September 29, 2008, 01:22:32 am
Hi everyone

Just picked up this thread having installed the alpha. It's interesting to follow the suggestions on desktops. Like most people I'm pretty happy with xfce and prefer Gold to SOHO. But sometimes I wish for a bit more...

Personally I don't put KDE and GNOME in the same camp - KDE seems much more "bells and whistles" to me. If you look at Ubuntu (GNOME) you see a nice simple desktop and menu system that anyone could use. Another of its nice features is the consistent theming  - all the built-in apps have a similar look and are easy to use. Maybe that's not important to the typical VL user but I think it gives a good first impression. If I open say XMMS, Xine, VasmCC and gtkfind in VL5.9 the look of each is completely different and a little jarring.

Just taking up the idea of being able to install subsets of GNOME, how about taking the MiniMe approach that PCLOS have used (with KDE) i.e. install a bare-bones system and download the few/many extra apps that you need (or have them as options during installation)? I tried MiniMe and liked it except... I don't like KDE. Perhaps you wouldn't want to do this for the main version, but it would make a nice alternative for the GNOME fans.

Thanks to the dev team for all the great work. VL just gets better and better.
Andy
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: OnAir on October 10, 2008, 02:34:20 am
I installed VL6.0-STD-A0.12.iso (finally after 4 failed attempts) on a Toshiba Satellite S2800-100, Celeron 650 MHz, 192 MB ram, Savage S3 video, 30 GB HDD

Like I said in the 'Install' comments, setting the keyboard region to Norwegian in the installer did not work, and I could find no way to set this on any menu when finally running. The Vector Control Center should have a Region Settings menu (for keyboard, time zone, ...)
I get the feeling with a lot of these distros that the menus are based on the 'never mind the quality, feel the width' philosophy, with sub-menus stuffed full of all sorts of items which pop up in more than one place. This needs to be streamlined, too many things are repeated. For example the Vector Control Center menu item is buried in a long list, but when you open it most of the things blinding you on the previous list are then repeated... Utilities, Settings, Setup are common in a lot of distros but there seems to be no clear logic behind what goes where..

Now something which MUST work for me to use a distro, WIRELESS!!! I cannot be bothered spending time in a console trying to get a distro to work properly with wireless - its usually a waste of time anyway. (you don't have to with Xubuntu or Kubuntu). The promising thing here was that this version actually detected I had Wifi connected (DLink USB DWL G122 C1, Ralink RT73chip). When I clicked on the WiFi button it helpfully asked me if I wanted to set it up.. this is progress. But something is still wrong. I was asked if I used security, WEP or WPA, I was asked for the SSID, and password - and then it told me no wireless network detected!!
In Xubuntu and Kubuntu the wireless is scanned automatically and I get informed of the detected network name(s) and the security type(s), all I have to do is select a network and give the password... and it functions.

More work must be done on wireless functionality.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kidd on October 10, 2008, 02:46:16 am
Thank you for your report... we're now going to ask Mark how did he manage the wireless thing...  ;D


OnAir, vl 6.0 is alpha, so it's likely to be unpolished, and maybe crash or don't work.

 
I cannot be bothered spending time in a console trying to get a distro to work properly with wireless - its usually a waste of time anyway. (you don't have to with Xubuntu or Kubuntu).

That's your experience... in my case, doing a little script and executing it when my box goes to runlevel 3 or 4 is the best way I could think of managing my wireless...  Try to use a non-standard WM in *buntu and pray for your wireless to start working...

You can try vasm instead of vasmcc and see if it works... the safe solution is editing your xorg.conf though
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on October 10, 2008, 11:30:12 am
It's funny... my biggest complaint about Ubuntu (Gutsy and Hardy) is the gawdawful wireless implementation.  Sure, it's easy to setup your wireless card.  Then network manager freezes up and takes your wireless connection with it.  If you kill the process you can't get it to work when you try to restart it.  You end up having to reboot.  If I wanted to reboot all the time I'd run Windows.

Wireless in VL 5.9 was flawless for me.  5.9.1 and 6.0 (and Ubuntu Intrepid, BTW) don't detect my older Atheros 5212 chipset because they use the new ath5k driver.  I have to blacklist it and then compile and install madwifi.  So... Ubuntu or Vector equally requires me to work in a terminal session to get things to work.  It depends entirely on the hardware you are running and IMHO Vector really isn't any better or worse than the major distros.

Having said that, yes, it's good that the complaint about wireless was posted.  The whole point of an alpha release is to find issues so that the developers can work on them.  The complaint about lack of easy to use localization is one of my pet peeves as well.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: nightflier on October 15, 2008, 12:01:33 pm
6.0 Standard Alpha 0.15 built on Oct-12-08:

CUPS: I get 404 Not Found at localhost:631

wicd-client: It sees my wireless, gives nice site survey. I supply WEP key and it connects fine, but then hangs, shows "Flushing the routing table" on status line while the progress bar bounces back and forth over message "connecting". If I close the window, I get an unresponsive systray icon. If I kill the process and try to launch it again, it hangs again. All this time, my wireless connection is fine and I remain connected.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: pevsner on October 16, 2008, 02:49:31 pm
6.0 Standard Alpha 0.15 built on Oct-12-08: XFCE
On amd 64bit san diego 4200 nforce3 a939 mb, nvidia gf5200 g card. 1440x900 lcd.

General comments:

Installed fine.
Great to have gimp 2.6 & taskmanager.
VLwifi works with no hacks on my zydas usb.

vasmcc (doesnt work from panel icon or terminal-access only through VASM>su) & vcpufreq- I get password box, but nothing else. Password box is a bit squished, no save password tick box.
Gslapt from menu does'nt work.
Fonts: cant get them to look as good as on 5.9std, even installed dejavu sans as additional package. Does hinting work?

Looking good in general.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kubikl on October 20, 2008, 04:16:48 pm
hello, after reading this thread, seems i'm the only one. I'm a happy user of VL59STD (with XFCE4...) on my thinkpad X40. I was just giving a try to VL6.0-STD-A0-22; It freezes hard on boot from CD, just after typing "loading kernel/sata ...." on the console. Cordially,
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on October 28, 2008, 04:17:04 pm
Duplicated from the VL 6.0 Light thread.  I apologize to anyone who ends up reading this twice...

I'd like to request that two font packages from X.org be included:

font-adobe-100dpi
font-adobe-75dpi

These Type 1 fonts are important for some older apps that explicitly call fonts like Helvetica, Courier, or Times.  The package I am most familiar with is SIAG Office 3.6.1 which will not run without Helvetica.  I could package their Latin2 font kit, the SIAG solution for this, but it is actually a larger collection that the two packages above.  I'd rather go with the standard X package than create duplication.

For now I'm building the SIAG package with the above listed as dependencies.  The problem is that I know SIAG is hardly unique in this regard.

Regards,
Cait
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on October 31, 2008, 09:50:29 am
Just installed alpha 0.24. A few observations.

Things that are still not fixed. VasmCC is still missing. Gslapt menu entry does not work (no call to /sbin/vsuper in the .desktop). ALT-F2 is still broken. Vcpufeq is still missing - had to set throttling manually.

Nice to see k3b back. Trouble is, the routine to set permissions doesn't work - complains that kdesu is missing.

There are some odd doubled entries in /var/log/packages. As below:

 freetype-2.3.5-i486-1
 freetype-2.3.7-i586-1vl60

 libdvdcss-1.2~-i586-1vl60
 libdvdcss-1.2.9-i586-3gsb

 mc-4.6.1-i586-1vl60
 mc-4.6.2_pre1-i586-1vl60

 nano-2.0.7-i486-1
 nano-2.0.9-i586-1vl60

 pcmanfm-0.4.1.1-i586-1vl60
 pcmanfm-0.5-i586-1vl60

 texinfo-4.12-i586-1vl60
 texinfo-4.8-i486-1

 wget-1.11.1-i486-1
 wget-1.11.4-i586-1vl60

So far I've not hit any other problems. For an alpha, it is remarkably stable. I've already built a couple of packages under it.

One other thing. I notice that I'm unable to use the iso virtual file system under MC - attempting to open an iso file gets me this error:

Code: [Select]
Iconv not yet supported
This function is enabled in earlier VL versions.

paull
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kidd on October 31, 2008, 10:24:18 am
great stability , everything is working fine here  except the alt-f2 thing

m...
* ping is not installed?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on October 31, 2008, 01:29:06 pm
great stability , everything is working fine here  except the alt-f2 thing

m...
* ping is not installed?


:) Hadn't noticed. But you're right., its not on the system.

Strange. In 5.9, it was in tcpip-0.17-i486-39. Some of the other utilities that were in that package are now in net-tools-1.60-i486-2. Not sure why there should be a shift of that sort.

Just as well I built mtr a couple of days ago :)

paul
Title: BUGGY Savage TwisterK IGP freeze system & relevent remedy?
Post by: vincent2 on November 05, 2008, 01:18:21 am
Bonjour!
Just Grabed http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/iso-test/VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso ,installed on an old sharp Mebius PC-GP10-BM( pro Savage KN133 chipsets MB, athlon Xp1500+ cpu, 256 M ram,http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/pcgp10bm/index.html) laptop,
installation process went smoothly
Then desktop system gets hung/freeze from time to time(even no response from "ctrl+alt+Backspace/del"at all), Still can't figure out why,always have to press power switch to restart VL6.0alpha25  again and again.
After googling around,it suggested that Savage TwisterK IGP on most laptop could be quite buggy (lock system /dummy 's ususal syndrome )  I  set  (Option  "ShadowStatus"   "True") in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, desktop system gets  dummy less frequently , BUT STILL COULD EXPERIENCE SUDDEN DUMMY STATE/FREEZE.
I.m sure there's fixing commands  for the buggy savage TwisterK IGP,do  fix it up in next VL6.0 beta/standard!
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 05, 2008, 07:40:58 am
Just installed 0.28. Nice to see the old gksu interface available again - I was getting tired of having to use the mouse every time I wanted root access through it.

For some reason, Midnight Commander has reverted - last alpha had 4.6.2_pre1, this one is back to 4.6.1. Still doesn't support reading .iso files.

K3b setup now runs - great!

Leafpad still comes up in some enormous resolution. /etc/skel/.config/leafpad needs to be cleared.

Nearly forgot. The system menu has two entries for the taskmanager - one as Taskmanager, the other as XfceTaskmanager.

More later...

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 05, 2008, 08:52:43 am
I did notice that... one of them seems to be lxtask (the LXDE task manager) while the other is well... the XFCE task manager
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 09, 2008, 03:41:56 pm
This may not apply by tomorrow, but I might as well mention it....

The Xfce 4.4.3 installed with alpha 0.30 has some serious sound problems. The alsa config ran during install (just tried a TUI install to check) and the sound card was correctly detected and configured. However, Settings Manager > Mixer Settings (which shows up as Sound in the settings manager panel) has only 'default' and no controls. No sound available.

Also no volume control in the task bar and no option to add one.

paul.
Title: savage(twister K) IGP still hang/lock X desktop
Post by: vincent2 on November 10, 2008, 02:59:56 am
Bonjour!
Still runing VL.6.0 on the installation from "VL6.0-STD-A0.25.iso", with "gslapt"  updated the system to the latest packages (9th Nov.)except kernels......
           
Running IGP of laptop on  Xfce4 ,X still gets hang/ locked from time to time on desktop..........

Should I try another install from VL6.0-STD-A0.31.iso? while i don't there's any packages differrances with my current VL6.0(updates to the latest with gslapt..           
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: caitlyn on November 10, 2008, 11:43:09 am
Upgrading all the packages with gslapt does NOT bring you to a0.31.  I would try the newer build.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: jasse on November 10, 2008, 02:14:27 pm
May I make a suggestion:

Make the login manager (I'm using the default) window max 600 pixels high,
or if it autodetects the monitor, make sure it doesn't make the window too high.

On my Aspire One, I don't see the upper part of the window.
I can barley see the buttons at the top.
Maybe it can't get the screen size right, but a login window don't need to be very big anyway.

Just a nit, but apperances counts ;-)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 10, 2008, 02:45:34 pm
@ Jasse

Try running vxconf as root in a terminal... that should get you a better X setup... see if that helps
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: kidd on November 10, 2008, 02:54:15 pm
On my Aspire One, I don't see the upper part of the window.

I have an AAO too!  Unfortunately, I haven't had enough time to repartition and try to install anything else there (I feel dumb, but I couldn't even get any bootable distro on my 256Mb flash drive)

How's your experience with AAO and vl? do they play well together?  Now that onelinux seems to be defunct, maybe we could give some marketing to VL towards AAO.

Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 10, 2008, 09:54:45 pm
I have been running VL 6 Standard alpha 0.12 for several weeks. I noticed that VL6 a 0.31 is the latest version for download in the repo. I did download it but haven't installed it.

Are there enough changes to warrant going from 0.12 to 0.31? I can't test the graphical installer because my DVD drive is getting flaky and won't boot from home-burned CDs. I don't want to spend the time installing if the changes in the ISO itself are trivial apart from the GUI installer, especially if a beta is on the horizon.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 10, 2008, 10:07:23 pm
I have been running VL 6 Standard alpha 0.12 for several weeks. I noticed that VL6 a 0.31 is the latest version for download in the repo. I did download it but haven't installed it.

Are there enough changes to warrant going from 0.12 to 0.31? I can't test the graphical installer because my DVD drive is getting flaky and won't boot from home-burned CDs. I don't want to spend the time installing if the changes in the ISO itself are trivial apart from the GUI installer, especially if a beta is on the horizon.
--GrannyGeek

I would suggest not installing it. Sound support is broken, it has a new login manager (GDM?) which isn't wonderful, doesn't seem to have any access to xscreensaver, and is genrally a bit broken. Its also obsolete - 0.32 has just hit. I'll download it and try it, since I am testing the GUI installer, and I hope it may unbreak a few things....

:) 0.31 is a little bit too too alpha for general use....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 10, 2008, 10:32:29 pm
With 0.32 already out, I don't see much point in installing 0.31. Thanks for the tips.

I'm itching for the first beta. 0.12 has been working quite well for me for the most part. This computer (1.3 GHz Celeron) is easy--very Linux friendly, always has been. The real test will come when I install VL 6 on my laptop with the dreaded wireless. But with only one Linux partition on the laptop and the need to have Linux functioning well, I can't risk it at this early stage.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: vincent2 on November 11, 2008, 07:35:55 am
Bojour!

Dragged A.32 iso for testing,it's running slightly a bit more stable, dissappointingly no sound at all although  the Alsa was loaded at boot,"alsamixer" returned with error..........

Japanese can't be inputed on X while on A.25 no problem...
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: jasse on November 11, 2008, 09:14:35 am
@ Jasse

Try running vxconf as root in a terminal... that should get you a better X setup... see if that helps
No change at all, even if I manually edit xorg.conf  with "1024x600" in the correct places.
Even with "800x600" as the first entry the login screen looks the same.

@ kidd
VL seems to run just fine, although I haven't poked around yet to get WiFi and sound working.
But the WiFi module is loaded (ath5k) so it seems to be just a config issue.
I don't really need sound support on this laptop, but it would sure be nice if it works right out of the box.

(I hope ath5k supports WEP shared key, but I'm sure google will be helpful here)

I'm downloading A0.32 right now and will try it out tonight.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: nightflier on November 11, 2008, 11:22:17 am
Minor suggestion: I understand Mozilla dropped the requirement for users to accept an EULA in FF. In very recent release of another *nix I saw it replaced with a much friendlier first-run page. I'd like to see that in VL too.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 11, 2008, 03:09:17 pm
Just installed 0.32. Lots of problems to report.....

First, no sound. Even though I've manually run alsaconf, the Xfce settings is showing 'default' with no controls and nothing else.

Second, during boot, there are multiple attempts to start the network, first with the wired interface, then with the wireless. Both seem to include two calls to dhcpcd (at least I'm getting two entries for each card), and both sit for a long time. iplugd is supposedly enabled, so I can't see any reason for the lengthy delays during boot.

For some reason, the root user gets a nice small menu button, but a normal user gets a much longer (and much less space efficient) one.

The (gdm?) login screen is ugly. Looks anything but professional. Also, even though picture logins (and a picture) were selected during install, a default image is being used, not the one I selected.

/etc/skel/.config/lefpad/leafpadrc needs to be removed. It puts leafpad into a screen mode that is entirely unusable on my 1024x768 screen. Can't even resize the window, I have to go and manually delete the file

More later....

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 12, 2008, 02:05:59 pm
Alpha 0.33. After install, the first login (as either user or root) gets an error box asking if xfce4 should be used, since the default xfce doesn't exist. Once selected, the problem goes away.

Another problem - Gimp is installed, but it looks as though doinst.sh has not completed correctly. Some of the symlinks are created, but quite a few aren't there. Upgrading to Gimp  2.6.1 fixes the problem, but from the initial install several were missing.

paul.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: toothandnail on November 13, 2008, 04:33:45 am
While sound is back with alpha 0.33, there is an odd problem with volume levels. In past versions of Vector, sound level values were normally saved on shutdown and restored. With this alpha, the volume level reverts to 54% on every restart.

paul.
Title: s3_via twisterK IGP(running savage driver)HANG X System
Post by: vincent2 on November 13, 2008, 10:14:18 am
Bon soiree!

Running  A.33 on S3-VIA twisterK  IGP based  sharp laptop, X still gets hang/dummy/locked from time to time, luckily less frequently than under A.25 & A.31, after a few hours of working on A.33, X gets hang more frequently :(........
running knoppix 5.3.1 dvd  on the laptop , X also gets hang occasionally(running "savage" driver).
while booting into windows XP with this laptop(running with the latest twisterK driver version downloaded from S3 website,ie:13.94.12hotkey ),system doesn't  hang at all ,even 8-10 hors working continously....
Do fix it up completely !so as my edited files/docs/data won't get lost unexpectedly..
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Masta on November 13, 2008, 06:36:38 pm
Minor suggestion: I understand Mozilla dropped the requirement for users to accept an EULA in FF. In very recent release of another *nix I saw it replaced with a much friendlier first-run page. I'd like to see that in VL too.

I thought about that a while back in previous versions of the FF packages used in VL, but then I second thought it .. "why?" .. then I thought .. "is there such a need, besides branding?"..
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 13, 2008, 08:39:42 pm
Today I installed 0.33 on my Celeron desktop. This computer has a flaky CD-RW/DVD combo drive and it refuses to boot from a home-burned CD, so I have to do a vinstall-iso installation from a VL partition. That went fine, as always. I put 0.33 on my second testing partition.

Everything went fine with the installation. I installed LILO on a Linux low-level formatted floppy disk. My chief complaint with the text installation is that a good bit of the identifying line doesn't fit in the boxes for Hardware Init Configuration, Set Group, Select Service for Runlevel 2, and basically every similar box. I've done numerous VL text installations and am reasonably familiar with the descriptions for the various items, but if I were an inexperienced Linux user this would cause me real problems. My LCD monitor's native resolution is 1280x1024. X got my Radeon 9200 and Samsung LCD configured correctly with no intervention from me.

I had no problems setting up my network and my NFS home network. Sound worked fine. I did get that annoying "Could not look up internet address for vector.linux.net" when I started XFce. I didn't add it to /etc/hosts--will consider it if I get the message the next time I start XFce, now that I have my /etc/hosts file properly modified for my nfs network. I ran Gslapt and updated the things I was interested in. I also installed OOo, Scribus, Inkscape, sane, xsane, gutenprint and maybe some other programs with Gslapt. I installed Opera from a tar.gz file I downloaded from opera.com and installed tuxcards and CheckBook Tracker by copying files and a library from my VL6 0.12 partition. I updated Gimp and AbiWord with Gslapt.

Tomorrow I'll install my printers, Flash 10, and other programs I use regularly. VASMCC is still missing. I haven't noticed a difference between 0.12 and 0.33.
--GrannyGeek
Title: "/usr/share/fonts/OTF" MISSING on A.33
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 02:23:45 am
Bonjour!

Pls .DO NOTE 
FontPath  "/usr/share/fonts/OTF"  doesn't exist at all on A.33,....

On which ftp mirror can I find the OTF fonts packages  so that to update the system and install?
Title: re:S3-VIA twisterK IGP laptop running Savage hang X
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 02:41:03 am
Quote
Running  A.33 on S3-VIA twisterK  IGP based  sharp laptop, X still gets hang/dummy/locked from time to time, luckily less frequently than under A.25 & A.31, after a few hours of working on A.33, X gets hang more frequently ........
Now I add the floowing line into /etx/X11/xorg.conf:
-----------------------------------------------------
Option "AGPMode"  "4"
Option "AGPSize"   "64"   
Option "DmaMode"  "Vertex"
----------------------------------------------------
(pls:set AGPsize to 2 times of your onboard videoram size)

X seldom hang,maybe should apply  a tool to give more test,such as Prime95 http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/#newusers (http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/#newusers)if there's similar tool on vetor mirror do tell us the name of the testing tool..
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: wcs on November 14, 2008, 04:13:51 am
Quote
X seldom hang,maybe should apply  a tool to give more test,such as Prime95 http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/#newusersif there's similar tool on vetor mirror do tell us the name of the testing tool..

Not in the repos, I think. Though mprime is easy to install.
You can also try cpuburn-in: http://users.bigpond.net.au/CPUburn/ (http://users.bigpond.net.au/CPUburn/)
Title: mprime result & VIA pci letency patches
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 05:54:08 am
Bonjour!

Here's the result of mprime:
Quote
M47303177 stage 1 is 0.10% complete.
M47303177 stage 1 is 0.10% complete.
M47303177 stage 1 is 0.10% complete.
M47303177 stage 1 is 0.15% complete.
Self-test 1024K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!
Self-test 10K passed!
Self-test 1024K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!
no problem of athlon xp1500+ cpu ..tried cpuburn also...

in the couse of running mprime X did hang twice, ie:no response from mouse and keyboard at all, strangely from console window mprime's results still kept sending out every 5-10 minite... i guessed X got locked again (the usual S3-VIA twisterK IGPbugs appeared), unfortunately add "option ShadowStatus On"to xorg.conf can't solve the issue on this shap laptop(VIA ProSavage4 KN133MB).
Would install VIA pci latency patches help? it seems that the patches're included within current VL6.0 alpha33 kernel already, maybe the relevent options wasn't opted on yet inside  kernel config.Do fix it if the via pci latency issue  exists.
Title: re:savage hang X/// set "VideoRam 4096 "
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 09:38:52 am
Bon Soiree a tous!
Quote
in the couse of running mprime X did hang twice, ie:no response from mouse and keyboard at all, strangely from console window mprime's results still kept sending out every 5-10 minite... i guessed X got locked again (the usual S3-VIA twisterK IGPbugs appeared), unfortunately add "option ShadowStatus On"to xorg.conf can't solve the issue on this shap laptop(VIA ProSavage4 KN133MB).

further to this daunting brainteasing issue(savage X hang),luckily came cross a post in mandriva forumhttp://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=81631 (http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=81631)
Quote
One thing jumps out at me: that xorg.conf claims your graphics chip has 32MB of memory available to it. I'm not sure that's right.

Could you try changing:

VideoRam 32768

to:

VideoRam 4096

and see if that works better?

If not, try:

VideoRam 2048

and finally:

VideoRam 1024

if it doesn't work at that point, that's likely not the problem. Thanks!

immediately Just add the line "VideoRam 4096"  to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, now my sharp laptop doesn't get hang /locked under xfce4 up till now, almost 3.5 hrs already........ :D.
check the task manager, cpu load 's at around 15-25% when i'm typing this post 
Title: x hang again
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 10:18:18 am
Quote
immediately Just add the line "VideoRam 4096"  to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, now my sharp laptop doesn't get hang /locked under xfce4 up till now, almost 3.5 hrs already........

after 4hrs, X  got hang again......
now set VideoRam to 8192  , ie:"VideoRam 8192"  to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
cpu load get abit down, 3-5%......
Title: x Hang/flashplayer 10
Post by: vincent2 on November 14, 2008, 11:22:47 am
Bon soiree!
Savage Driver  locked Mouse and keyboard  on xfce4 again(Savage bugs ), xfce manager's cpu load indicator still moving  swiftly(although only 30--35% cpu load, S3-VIA twsiterK==taiwanese/chinese manufacturers made/designed crap chip), had to press power switch again.........

Do Remeber to include Flashplayer10 plugins into next alpha release VL6.0!



 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 14, 2008, 12:00:15 pm
Will these be fixed soon?

Alt-F2 still does not bring up the Run... box.

CUPS has problems. It does print fine with my LJ4 PostScript printer. However, when I try to print a test page with LJ4 PCL and with my Epson and Lexmark inkjets, I get a
Unsupported format 'application/postscript'

I installed Ghostscript, gv, and Foomatic filters with Gslapt. Didn't help. I logged out after I made the changes but I didn't stop and restart the CUPS or other printing services. I can never remember the commands to do that. (By the way, if VectorLinux wants to improve ease of use, it would be good to have some GUI way to start and stop services, daemons, etc, or at least something that didn't require users to remember the commands.)

I did Google on the error message but I couldn't find a solution that worked.

I *really* need to be able to print in order to give alphas and betas a good workout. So could we please have a CUPS that works sooner rather than later?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT/turn off ACPI
Post by: vincent2 on November 15, 2008, 10:44:22 am
Bon soiree!

now Turned off ACPI in vasm(hardware init configrator), no more X hang at last for last 6hrs.....(a bug when VIA chipsets MB working together with amd Athlon/duron cpu.)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Joe1962 on November 15, 2008, 12:02:45 pm
By the way, if VectorLinux wants to improve ease of use, it would be good to have some GUI way to start and stop services, daemons, etc, or at least something that didn't require users to remember the commands.

vasm / SERVICE / SERVSET

Not the most intuitive thing in the world, but it starts and stops them. The settings stay set the way you leave them for subsequent reboots though.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: wcs on November 15, 2008, 12:17:01 pm
Gslapt should get a "vsuper" command added to its desktop file. (alpha-0.34)
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 15, 2008, 09:46:54 pm
By the way, if VectorLinux wants to improve ease of use, it would be good to have some GUI way to start and stop services, daemons, etc, or at least something that didn't require users to remember the commands.

vasm / SERVICE / SERVSET

Not the most intuitive thing in the world, but it starts and stops them. The settings stay set the way you leave them for subsequent reboots though.

I use Service, Servset in VASM quite a bit. I never knew it would start and stop services during a session, though. I thought it was just for setting services to start at boot time.

We can learn something new every day. :) Thanks so much!
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: wcs on November 15, 2008, 09:56:01 pm
Quote
I use Service, Servset in VASM quite a bit. I never knew it would start and stop services during a session, though

Yea, I think that bit in vasm should be made a bit clearer.

Perhaps another dialogue should be added that would display which services are currently running (something servset doesn't do), and that would allow users to choose services to start and stop *without* changing anything for the next reboot.

At the same time, typing "service <name> stop" is also very fast and intuitive...
Title: floppy can't be mounted under X
Post by: vincent2 on November 16, 2008, 12:27:15 am
Bonjour!

Still running A.33, waiting for A.35.......
Just found that floppy can't be mounted mounted  and read/write under xfce4/GUI no matter How  i  configured vasm  and edited /etc/fstab, in order to make another lilo floppy disk, had to go runlevel 3/or 1, then running vasm/or /sbin/lilo...
Guessed that's bug.
do fix it up in A. 35 !
Title: X hang on a.33 again
Post by: vincent2 on November 17, 2008, 01:09:56 am
Bonjour!

X Still gets hang/locked in a sudden  again on A33.when running this twisterK IGP(savage driver) + via KN133 based mb laptop,
the athlon xp 1500+ cpu's load can hit 100% in a sudden mysteriously when just running opera and watching you tube's flash video and loading high definition photos,
guess it might be a kernel issue, which couldn't cope with amd athlon xp (mobile series) CPU and VIA kn133N chipsets MB so well,maybe more patches needed
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: nightflier on November 17, 2008, 11:53:58 am
A0.34, hosted ISO Text-installer:

After finishing copying vlconfig2 and the docs: There is a quick message about gtk-update-icon-cache (I think). Then it starts scrolling names of image files, several instances of each. This continues, but if you pay attention, you can see the next screens going by: "Let's configure the system" etc.. You can hit "Enter" or move selection and it will perform the next steps and complete the installation.

First time around I interrupted the process and did first reboot. The names kept scrolling by while continuing first time configuration. Second time, I let the machine sit at what would be the screen about exiting the installer and rebooting. It eventually finished the process and upon reboot everything was as usual.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 18, 2008, 06:46:14 pm
On VL6 a 0.33 I plugged in a USB flash drive for the first time since I installed 0.33. It wasn't mounted by VL-Hot. Nor had a /mnt/vl-hot directory been created. I switched to root and mounted the flash drive as root after I created a /mnt/vl-hot directory as a mount point.

Is this a bug or is there some secret to getting a flash drive automounted through VL-HOT in VL6 a.33?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Dweeberkitty on November 18, 2008, 08:20:05 pm
Is this a bug or is there some secret to getting a flash drive automounted through VL-HOT in VL6 a.33?

LOL, if there was some secret to it, it should be considered a bug. :P
Title: can't input japanese since updating xfce4 from VL6.0 testing mirror
Post by: vincent2 on November 19, 2008, 02:46:12 am
Bonjour!
Still rnning A.33,I went to gslapt and added the following VL testing mirror:
Quote
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-current/testing/
,
updated  to xfce4.4.6b at first then xfce4 failed to launch, then downgraded to xcfce4.4.3,NOW CAN'T INPUT JAPANESE ANYMORE,
any command to fix it?
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: gamfa on November 19, 2008, 03:13:08 pm
You need to put in the latest firmware for the ipw3945 wireless. The one you have in 6.0 doesn't cut it. The new one (iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode) does.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: stretchedthin on November 19, 2008, 04:15:40 pm
You need to put in the latest firmware for the ipw3945 wireless. The one you have in 6.0 doesn't cut it. The new one (iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode) does.


That would explain the problems I'm having with my toshiba laptop. It uses ipw3945 and it simply will not connect.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: gamfa on November 20, 2008, 06:15:55 am
You got that right bud. I beat my head against the wall on that myself. Google for the file and it should give you a link to the Intel page to download it


Here's the package your looking for iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.28.1.8.tgz.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: stretchedthin on November 20, 2008, 10:19:32 am
Quote
Here's the package your looking for iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.28.1.8.tgz.
Thanks Gamfa, my wifi is now up and running.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: uelsk8s on November 21, 2008, 09:53:45 pm
In preperation for the release of 6.0 the veclinux-current repo has been renamed to http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0

If you are using one of the older 6.0 releases you will need to update your /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc
Title: "x/system hang log" location on vl6.0?
Post by: vincent2 on November 22, 2008, 02:02:19 am
Bonjour!

Installed A37.,so far running a bit more smoothly than A.33 on this Sharp mebius(twisterK IGP + via KN133 based mb+amd athlon xp-m 1500+).....while  after 5 hrs operation without error,   X hang appeared  again and again(when bruising large photos from website and opening large files), maybe cpu's hot(but under windows xp running whole day no crash or x ang at all)....
 ;)Pls.also do let me know  where can i find  "x/system hang log" on VL6.0  so that i could post the relevent log file...... 

A bien tot
Title: can't input japanese on firefox/seamonkey/abiword/mousepad
Post by: vincent2 on November 22, 2008, 02:13:16 am
Bonjour!

On A.37, japanese can only be inputed on OPERA, can't be inputed on firefox&abiword&mousepad at all (no response  from Input launching keys).
any commands to fix it up?which files should i edited again manually? 
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on November 22, 2008, 07:53:39 pm
Installed VL6.0-STD-A0.35.iso and found that I could not print with my parallel printer
connected to an USB port via an adapter cable.


In cups the entry in devices for USB printer connections is missing. It is present in VL-5.8
and slackware-12.1.

Installing from hosted iso the installation went fine until it reached the point for lilo. The screen
started scrolling showing all kind of .tgz programs running diagonally. When it stopped
I scrolled up found the lilo window entered my 'Do not install lilo' and continued from there.

Glad to see that at last xterm is behaving as it is intended to do. :-)

Regards
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: Pita on November 23, 2008, 12:07:44 am
Installed VL6.0-STD-A0.35.iso and found that I could not print with my parallel printer
connected to an USB port via an adapter cable.


In cups the entry in devices for USB printer connections is missing. It is present in VL-5.8
and slackware-12.1.

Installing from hosted iso the installation went fine until it reached the point for lilo. The screen
started scrolling showing all kind of .tgz programs running diagonally. When it stopped
I scrolled up found the lilo window entered my 'Do not install lilo' and continued from there.

Glad to see that at last xterm is behaving as it is intended to do. :-)

Regards

Got printer working. Copied from slackware-12.1 cupsd, /etc/cups and /usr/lib/cups over
and set ../rc.hald executable.

Cheers to me.
Title: Re: VectorLinux 6.0-alpha2- PRODUCT
Post by: nightflier on November 25, 2008, 06:18:23 am
A5: Start-up messages, text mode: The result of ifconfig for NIC's is shown twice. Once in white, once in green.