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Title: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on September 25, 2008, 02:04:50 pm
hello all,

trying to install vector on my  tosh tecra 520cdt, i have upgraded the hardware to a heady 160mb ram,40gb HD, DVDRW drive and runs XP :'(
soon to change for the better. i have a donor machine the same,but in more basic spec.98mb ram and 2gb HD. i want to test the idea,before i toast the better machine..... a guniea pig LOL
what is the minimum space required for an install? and the ideal partition settings to make the install work.
i have test installed the vector build with rough guesses at the partitions etc and removed most of the fancy bits to keep the build slim, although the build does not complete and has a failiure on the .tlz files
has anyone experienced this similar problem????
more info to follow
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 02:35:54 pm
With only 99MB or RAM you want Vector Linux Light, not Standard or SOHO.  1.8GB is about the minimal space to install.  With the hibernation partition at ~100MB and ~200MB for swap you have 1.7GB left. That's why it can't finish uncompressing the lzma archive.  You just don't have enough disk space for installation on that box.  You would be better off with a distro that has a smaller footprint.  There was a "Mini" version of Vector Linux that was based on alpha builds of Light but that project was abandoned and is no longer in the repo.  If you really want to try it (warning: alpha code is guaranteed to have bugs) I can post it for you.  A regular released version of Vector Linux simply won't fit on your low spec box.

Your machine with the 40GB HDD will be fine, of course.  You didn't give a processor speed but I'm assuming slow so I'd still recommend Light.  You can't "toast" the machine.  Nothing you do, no matter how messed up the installation, will cause permanent damage.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on September 25, 2008, 03:11:48 pm
sounds like a challenge to me.....
its a tecra 520cdt 133mhz :o i have a CF to IDE convertor i got today along with a 4gb CF card, from good ol' ebay. i intend to  rip the nafff 2gb drive out and go solid state to improve the ol' beast. at least then i can have more headroom.
at least i know its space that is messing it up.
thanks for the reply. will let you know how the CF card fares with HW detection
at least the battery will last longer ::)
would be interested in the mini version to see how it copmpares to DSL, as thats what was on there before
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on September 25, 2008, 03:35:00 pm
The mini version is not comparable to DSL  It takes 1.1GB of space to install.  It's just a slightly smaller build of VL Light. 

DSL and Slitaz are unique. DSL builds on an old 2.4.x kernel and uses old apps.  VL doesn't ever ship backlevel apps that are no longer supported.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on September 26, 2008, 12:56:38 am
my apologies, i was not aware of the  mini version info, hence assuming it is "small" build. a 1.1gb foot print would be god to try...at least it would fit on the HD, sling it over and i'll give it a whirl
still a gig build would have plenty more goodies than DSL  ;D
buggy builds are good, it makes fixing them more meaningful LOL
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure on Vector Light
Post by: petebarchetta on September 26, 2008, 01:13:58 am

thanks for the reply. will let you know how the CF card fares with HW detection
at least the battery will last longer ::)


both the machines are trusty tecra 520 cdt's running 133mhz, one is an old works box, and the other is my own (hence my own machine being heavily modified)
Spec is as Follows:
Toshiba Tecra520cdt #1
98mb ram@133mhz CPU 2Gb HD, version 6.9 Bios, CDrom (Linux test box, soon to be solid state 4Gb CF to IDE HD)
Toshiba Tecra520cdt #2
160mb ram@133mhz CPU 40gb HD, version 6.9 Bios, DVDRW (XP SP2)


EDIT:  it is vector Light that i am having the issues with (just checked my burned CD), so maybe the mini is the way to go if i stay with the normal HD. will attempt a reburn to see if that clears the errors
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 24, 2008, 01:54:04 pm
caitlyn,

can you post the mini version up, i'll try that in my 2gb HD, otherwise i'll look at low level format the 8gb CF and try to partition it.
also is there a CF version of Vector in the pipeline?
or a way of minimising the writes to the CF card as they only have a finite amount of writes per sector.

thanks
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on October 24, 2008, 02:33:02 pm
Mini is no longer anywhere to be found on the VL server, sorry.  I did look.

There is a new project (not sure if it is VL based or just Slackware based at this point) called Linux Ultralight that should meet your needs (i.e.: very light apps, <1GB footprint) but they haven't posted a public alpha yet.  I expect it will appear next month.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: nightflier on October 24, 2008, 03:34:02 pm
If you de-select the "dev" "office" "lxde" and all the other optional packages, VL 5.9 Light will use about a gig and a half. Doesn't leave you with a lot of functionality or room to maneuver, but could be educational.

As far as a specific CF version, nothing like that for now. However, I run my desktop machine off of a CF card, and there are some things you can do to minimize the amount of writes, check out this thread: http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=4564.0

You may want to try this unofficial version optimized for really old computers:
http://cincinnatix.com/vectorlinux/nightflier/VL5.9.1-Light.iso
md5sum:  d244c8a0d3f76f0812099c9e444e4cb3
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: uelsk8s on October 25, 2008, 11:03:39 am
the mini is hiding here: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/iso-test/VL5.9-Mini-A1.iso
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on October 25, 2008, 01:12:18 pm
I thought I looked in your directory :(  Oh well... Thanks, Uel.

Once you're officially back I'll get in touch with you privately about learning what I need to do to make a fresh, new mini based on 6.0.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 26, 2008, 03:50:42 pm
thanks all,

will give these a go and see what happens, this forum rocks!! lovely helpful people here :) ;D
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 27, 2008, 06:27:42 am
uel,

do you have a checksum for the mini version, i get a invalid block size when i try to burn this. it says circa 200mb, but the file is coming in at 182mb

thanks
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: uelsk8s on October 27, 2008, 06:46:45 am
not sure which you grabbed so here they both are:

2d7bef6f5c07967df10800ae411cbc36  VL5.9-Mini-A1.iso

8e753b4af313d0c8d8288b250c70ec33  VL5.9-Mini-A1.1.iso

Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 27, 2008, 08:53:49 am
i take it these are pure Iso's and not bootable versions as per 5.9 that i got the .TLZ error on? So i would nest these on the drive and then run a copy in the CDROm drive so that the machine picks it up.

just querying as i get invalid disk and wanted to rule this out and not put it down to a buggy disk


as i'm trying it on a small drive i am running on a low ceiling and want to keep clear of bump your head errors :)
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on October 27, 2008, 12:35:11 pm
I'm not sure I understand the question correctly, but...  these are not live CDs.  They are regular installable isos.  You put them into a bootable CD-ROM drive and the installer comes up at boot.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 28, 2008, 09:59:38 am
hmmmm..... ok then i have a problem somewhere then, the machine used to liked the 5.9 iso, but hasa non bootable disk error when i try to run the mini and 5.9.1 light version. how can i nest this into the 2GB HD and get round the CDrom error. i ahve gone onto pendrivelinux and looked at the howto for the USB install through windows to add knoppix, from what i can tell it puts syslinux on and a few other files, then has a batch command that unpacks the ISO. this seems to go OK when i tried knoppix and it doesnt throw up any bloopers when i substitute vector either, but when i put the drive back in the machine it comes up with non - bootable HD.
although the 5.9.1 when unpacked only takes up just under a Gig which is good
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: newt on October 28, 2008, 10:14:00 am
I'm just coming into this thread so perhaps my comments are near-sighted.....

A typical full install of VL 5.9.1 Standard should be >2.1Gb, VL 5.9.1 SOHO should be >3.1Gb, VL 5.9.1 Light should be >1.8Gb so coming up with just under a gig can be a problem point.

Also, perhaps the non-bootable HDD disk error you're encountering is related to no boot loader (i.e. missing lilo, grub, or another boot loader).  If a hard drive does not have a valid boot loader installed then the error messages you could receive range from: non-bootable disk to some random error message determined by the boot loader.

My understanding of how you've installed VL is as such:
Pull the hard drive out of the main machine (laptop, I think)
Put in another machine
Unpack the VL CD onto the hard drive
Put hard drive back in original machine
Attempt to boot and receive error message.

Is that the process or is there more detail to it that you can add/correct?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 29, 2008, 05:49:20 am
resonably near to the point :)
here we go:
Pull the hard drive out of the main machine (laptop - Tosh Tecra 520cdt, 98 MBram, 2gb HD)
Put in another machine (yes into a USB HD caddy, delete partitions to wipe etc) on pendrive linux there are a couple of files used in the knoppix installation that puts the syslinux files and others on. (i assume these are the bootables you talk about.)
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/01/usb-knoppix-510/ (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/01/usb-knoppix-510/)

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/06/13/usb-knoppix-531-install-using-windows/ (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/06/13/usb-knoppix-531-install-using-windows/)

 
Unpack the VL CD onto the hard drive (within the pendrive knoppix 5.3.1 howto there is a unpack batch file, unless there is another you reccommend)

Put hard drive back in original machine (yes)
Attempt to boot and receive error message. (bang on the money)

any suggestions as to where i'm going wrong.

on a previous install fresh from blatting the win2k off the drive it ran,unpacked the iso via the installer script and hit the .tlz error, since it has not liked the drive after format. please let me know what files i need as a minimum as i assume it will not just boot from a formatted Fat32 drive. note the drive has had Lowlevel format, new Fat32 partition to try t0 fix this
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: nightflier on October 29, 2008, 06:30:01 am
I'm somewhat confused about the "unpacking" of the iso to the hard drive. Are you using a Knoppix script on the VL iso?

Anyways, I don't think your procedure installs LILO at any point.

If you can boot off a floppy, this procedure may be of interest:
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7363.0
You can also use the floppies to boot an existing installation, albeit with the smaller kernel that is on the floppies. To do so, wait until it asks you to continue install, then hit Ctrl-c and verify terminating the batch file. Then run command
loadlin linux root=/dev/hda2 ro
This is assuming you installed to hda2, it may be hda1 instead.

If this works, you can then run "vliloconf" to install LILO.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 29, 2008, 05:30:06 pm
well....on the pluss side, i have 3 disks each with the vlinst files on them, the external floppy drive kicks in through the bios settings. so i have a good feeling :)
on a different note i put the 5.9.1 light iso on the 520 with the 160mb and the 40gb drive and it loads up to the splash screen?????and thast without booting from the floppies, then has drive errors. both machines are NTFS filesystems, both have 98mb+ ram
so i'm bamboozled.

i'll give the 3 disks a go on the 2gb drive and see how it goes
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on October 29, 2008, 08:57:39 pm
You're not trying to install into an NTFS filesystem are you?  That is most definitely NOT supported.  You have to create and format at least one Linux filesystem.  Ideally you should have at least three:  one for / (root), one for /home, and one for swap.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 30, 2008, 03:20:24 am
ah, could be the source of all my problems..... i see where your coming from. i have a qtparted rescue disk, i'll create 3 partitions then HDA#1 HDB#2 and HDC#3
assume HDA is the main one 1.1GB
Swap HDB#2 at double the ram (160mb) 320mb
rest of HD for HDC#3 circa 500mb
so in effect the drive need to be prepped in linux form before the install,

i tried the boot disks i made, but they hang at the freedos prompt, and go no further. althought a CTRL,Alt,DEL gives me a boot to the splash screen, then

the error i get is ........ISOlinux: Disk error 20, AX = 4200, drive 82
that is using the SATA/ ide  kernel
i assume there is a translation?

just a thought, but is it due to the kernel?
maybe the kernel is too new for the machine? 5.9 runs the 2.6 kernel, isn there anywhere hosing the 2.4 releases of vector?
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: nightflier on October 30, 2008, 05:54:24 am
From what I can find (google), that error is associated with boot failures, often caused by bad burns, dirty discs or bad drives.

Does the parted rescue disk work, allowing you to partition the disk?
With only 2 G, I'd only use two partition, one for / and the other for swap.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: lagagnon on October 30, 2008, 09:06:04 am
the error i get is ........ISOlinux: Disk error 20, AX = 4200, drive 82

You have a faulty hard drive. Burn an ISO of the UltimateBootCD and run the hard drive testing software appropriate to the manufacturer of that hard drive. I'll bet you get errors. Then you will know for sure your hard drive is toast. Sorry, but I do think that is the reason for that error.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on October 30, 2008, 11:35:54 am
Until you test your hard drive this may be irrelevant, but...

I've run the 2.6.x kernels on machines that are 10-12 years old with no problems.  No, the age of the kernel has nothing to do with uit.  Linux has excellent legacy support.

1.1GB for root is way too small.  VL Mini would completely fill it with no space for temp files or anything else.  That won't run.  You need ~1.4MB at a minimum. 
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on October 30, 2008, 03:58:06 pm
ah, could be the source of all my problems..... i see where your coming from. i have a qtparted rescue disk, i'll create 3 partitions then HDA#1 HDB#2 and HDC#3
assume HDA is the main one 1.1GB
Swap HDB#2 at double the ram (160mb) 320mb
rest of HD for HDC#3 circa 500mb
so in effect the drive need to be prepped in linux form before the install,

i tried the boot disks i made, but they hang at the freedos prompt, and go no further. althought a CTRL,Alt,DEL gives me a boot to the splash screen, then

the error i get is ........ISOlinux: Disk error 20, AX = 4200, drive 82
that is using the SATA/ ide  kernel
i assume there is a translation?

just a thought, but is it due to the kernel?
maybe the kernel is too new for the machine? 5.9 runs the 2.6 kernel, isn there anywhere hosing the 2.4 releases of vector?


i did have Damn small linux on the machine, but found that limitting, it was the 4.4.2 release, which runs the 2.4 kernel, that loaded and installed without fuss. hence my relevance of asking the kernel versions. i'll download UBCD and test the drive.
thanks all for your input
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on November 03, 2008, 04:54:39 am
hello all,

the UBCD, gave the drive the all clear.....Woot ;D
i have installed VL mini, all ran ok, got the ok prompt to reboot and started up ok,
problem is when it jumps into the OS (gets past the Lilo option) after it does its penguin logo login, it goes blank, so i do a Fn-F5 (tosh laptop screen toggle). it then comes up with five overlapped windows all hazed together. looks like a xconf issue. you can type, btu its looks like its at the login screen
that aside as i know VL mini is unsupported.
i tried VL 5.9.1 light posted further up the thread, it installs correctly, but near the end i get the error
"128x128 cannot find file"
so the .TLZ issue remedies itself looked to be a partition to be too small, although i think the error i get now maybe linked. can i get your ideas people???
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: nightflier on November 03, 2008, 05:56:14 am
The "128x128" error message is a nuisance warning which I think is caused by a script looking for some non-existent icons. No further issues have been reported in that regard and the warning can safely be ignored.

Looks like the install completed successfully this time, but there are some configuration issues to remedy. First thing to do is make sure that you can get to the command line and work from there. Select "Linux TUI" from the boot menu and log in. Does that work okay?
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on November 03, 2008, 02:08:53 pm
vxconf doesn't work well with a lot of Toshiba laptops, including mine.  My advice is to, as nightflier suggested, boot into text mode.  Then su to root and:

cd /etc/X11
cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.save
cp xorg.conf-fbdev xorg.conf

That will give you a xorg.conf that works with most older Toshiba laptops.  Try starting X again with the command:

startx

and let us know if that works.  You may have to pass an addition argument to the kernel as well to specify fbdev at 800x600 but first try without.
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: petebarchetta on November 04, 2008, 06:34:07 am
hello,

havent set up the network yet, due to the video problem. please can you attach the file if possible?

thanks
Title: Re: Installing Vector on Tosh Tecra 520cdt .tlz failiure
Post by: caitlyn on November 04, 2008, 02:28:13 pm
/etc/X11/xorg.conf-fbdev is part of every standard Vector Linux install.  You already have the file.