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Vectorbie Station => Vectorbie Questions => Topic started by: OSMIUM76 on October 20, 2008, 07:28:36 am

Title: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 20, 2008, 07:28:36 am
Hi to all, I'm new on this place!!! Forgive my English. Let's talk about my problem. I have Ubuntu on my notebook and I have to say I like Linux. I heard about the possibility to install optimized Linux versions for very old hardware. Well I have an old machine (you can see its specifications in my sign) and a friend of mine told me about Vector: it can run on 386 systems so it should run on it. Before of trying Vector on my secondary machine I tried Linpus live (it needs 128 MB of RAM so I gave it a try... I have the live distro) and I had a black screen with band artefacts: the only working thing I saw was the pointer. I fear to have similar problems with Vector, but having no live distro how can I ensure that? On the Internet I red it's possible to install the Vesa drivers (that are universal) using Xorg... but I don't know how to do it! Infact I found some infos but they're difficult for me, I understood I have to edit a configuration file... or something like... please help me! My videocard is a Palit SiS based on the SiS 6326 GPU. Thanks in advance, I hope I had explained the question correctly.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: Dweeberkitty on October 20, 2008, 07:35:43 am
Hi and welcome to Vector!

Vector already has the Vesa drivers included, and when you install, it should correctly edit the file for you automatically. All you have to do is choose the Vesa option.

EDIT: There is a live version of VL: http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.9/iso-release/VL5.9-STD-LIVE.iso

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: The Headacher on October 20, 2008, 07:46:22 am
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a friend of mine told me about Vector: it can run on 386 systems
You won't be able to pull that off, VL is optimized for i586 (pentium) and higher.

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On the Internet I red it's possible to install the Vesa drivers (that are universal) using Xorg... but I don't know how to do it!
I think it's possible to choose vesa driver during install. If not you have boot to TUI (text user interface), log in as root, edit the configuration file and change the driver manually:

mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

look for a section "Device", in it, change the line "Driver" from whatever it was first saying to "vesa".

ps. You'll want to get the VL light version.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 20, 2008, 08:39:50 am
There are many versions of Vector. The standard versions and the one optimized for 386 or faster systems. I knew of the live distro of the standard version, not of the light! Thank you very much, I'm downloading it!

P.S.: the link you provided me is broken but I found the working one anyway!!! Thanks, thanks and thanks!
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: wcs on October 20, 2008, 09:14:51 am
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the one optimized for 386 or faster systems

Like the headacher said above, you mean 586.
So far as I know, all vector versions are for Pentiums or better, and packages in the repository are also for i586.
(and VL64 for 64-bit machines).

But I see from your signature that your secondary machine is a Pentium II 266 with 128Mb, so you should be fine with Vector Light.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 20, 2008, 02:05:04 pm
So the friend of mine was wrong! He said i386... I'll make fun of him, hehehe!!! Then I have to search for other distributions because I think I'll be able to find a system so old and I'm very curious to run Linux on it!!!
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: tomh38 on October 20, 2008, 07:40:22 pm
Heck, you can install Linux on just about anything.  I even installed it on a toaster one time.  I built my own distro for it, called it ToasterNix.  The last version was 0.1.0.7.  When you put a piece of bread in the toaster with ToasterNix installed, the toast would come out looking like this:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/tuxtoast.jpg?t=1224555415)

 ;D
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: budulay on October 20, 2008, 08:29:44 pm
LMAO

Is there a live cd version so that I could try it on my toaster without toasting my current system up?
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: tomh38 on October 21, 2008, 06:29:27 am
budulay,

Sorry, bud, I had a good thing going but you-know-who got word of it and now all of the toasters have Windows CE installed on them.  That's why toast takes so much longer to make now.

For a while there, a lot of toast came out looking like this:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/wintoast1.jpg?t=1224594289)

That was back in the 90s.  But then the US Justice Department sued them, and they had to make take the logo off the toast.

Nowadays, in order to put a different OS on any toaster, you have to buy a special modchip, probably an illegal one, and then do a bunch of stuff like compile a special kernel.  I probably shouldn't be telling you all this, because of the non-disclosure agreement from the settlement.  Can't distribute ToasterNix anymore though.

 ;D

Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 21, 2008, 06:34:21 am
LMAO
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: budulay on October 21, 2008, 04:37:08 pm
Actually that's fine - I just realized I do not have a cd drive on my toaster, so I can't install it, anyway...
But now I am happy about one thing:
My toast does NOT look like this:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/wintoast1.jpg?t=1224594289)
:-)
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: The Headacher on October 22, 2008, 07:07:14 am
I'd feel much happier devouring the Windows logo than that poor old smiling Tux..

I happen to be a vegetarian.

Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: budulay on October 22, 2008, 07:05:24 pm
I will not have much appetite if I saw windows logo on all my toasts, though. ;D

I'd feel much happier devouring the Windows logo than that poor old smiling Tux..
I happen to be a vegetarian.
Yeah, but eating these toasts doesn't mean eating penguins.(I'd definitely not do that)
It's just means having a note on each toast that it's made with care and does not contain any viruses and other crap. 8)

BTW, I used to be vegetarian, too.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: tomh38 on October 23, 2008, 10:50:08 am
I forgot to mention ... back when I was working on the ToasterNix project, I got a nasty email from none other than Richard M. Stallman.  He said I should really call it GNU/ToasterNix, y'know, because of all the people from the GNU project who had contributed code to the whole thing.  I told him no way, so he got some undergrad at MIT to fork their own project.  I don't think many people ever installed it, but a few might have.  Some time ago, I heard that somebody put a page up on sourceforge saying they were working on GNU/ToastHURD, but I don't think anything came of it.  Anyway, if you installed the GNU version of my distro your toast would come out looking like this:

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/gnutoast1.jpg?t=1224782422)

I got an email not long ago from somebody saying they were using my GPL code for a graphically rich OS with a state-of-the-art GUI called BeToast.  I guess we'll see.

Tom
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 25, 2008, 03:54:30 am
I have a little problem with Vector light. I tried the live version anc my P II gives me a black screen: the monitor doesn't support the mode and ask to set the output in 1280x1024x60Hz (if I remember well). I tried all of the boot modes without effects. So I think I should give some commands via terminal... can you help me? Thanks in advance!

P.S.: I too am vegetarian since ten years... it's hard but I'm happy, animals should be petted not eaten.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: budulay on October 25, 2008, 10:07:25 am
Hi
As far as I understand it gives you that message when you try to load X11 desktop?
Then you should change screen resolution and sync in your xorg.conf file from command line(type mc and you will get a great two-panel file manager. navigate to the file, and then click F4 fo edit it).

If I get you wrong and you are getting the message while the system itself is loading, it means that you need to turn off the bootsplash in your /etc/lilo.conf file. But I have no idea how to do it if you couldn't even get to the terminal since the monitor doesn't read anything.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 25, 2008, 12:48:19 pm
Well as I insert the live CD my machine shows me the boot options; whatever I choose I get a black screen and I see a message floating in it by the LCD monitor it says what I said. So I can launch the terminal as I said I don't know what command to give. For MC you mean the Midnight Commander? If so it should be possible for me even if I never used the Norton Commander.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: budulay on October 25, 2008, 01:20:13 pm
Sorry, I misread your post and did not noticed the part about live cd.
I not quite understand what you are saying:
Could you, please list what boot options you are talking about(I only used 5.8 live cd so I am not sure what you mean).
So when your monitor starts too complain, you have a command line, right?(it should be a command line login screen)

Quote from: OSMIUM76
For MC you mean the Midnight Commander?
Yeah, that's it.
If you can launch it, you should try what I wrote before.

PS.
I had problems launching X-window from 5.8 live cd on two boxes, probably b/c of some problem with nvidia video card. Both time I had working CLI.
After I installed normal VL version, everything went fine.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 25, 2008, 01:27:07 pm
These are the options:
VESA
Probe
Command Line
Autoprobe
Alternate Autoprobe
MemTest

IF you press TAB you reach the setting-line. All the lines are very similar: in VESA you can read "vesa", in other options "cli", "verbose"... in all I read a number "791" about the resolution mode... probably changing this number I can get something!
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 25, 2008, 01:46:28 pm
Well an answer: but what does it means "processor architecture" I read on the Distrowatch site? I see i386, i486, i586... I don't understand... I understood these are the minimum system requirement about the CPU but I should be wrong because Linpus Lite shows i386 when it needs a CPU at least of 366 MHz (and 128 MB of RAM); Vector i486 when you say it runs on 586 architectures... So I misunderstood or Distrowatch provides uncorrect infos???
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: caitlyn on October 25, 2008, 02:41:31 pm
No, the information of Distrowatch is correct.  VL will run on any 586 (classic Pentium) system.  The Live version needs 128MB of RAM to run in a worthwhile way.  VL Light will run in as little as 32MB of RAM if installed (not live).

Are you certain your SIS chipset is VESA compliant?  A lot of older chipsets are not.  My laptop doesn't work with VESA.  Did you try running vxconf?  Choose the Probe option and see if that works.  Don't specify a VGA resolution (no VGA=791) and see if probing your video card works.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on October 25, 2008, 03:07:52 pm
If "i386" means an Intel 386 class CPU then Distrowatch doesn't say the truth because it says i486 for Vector for both 5.9.1SOHO and 5.9 versions; surely it cannot say the truth about Linpus Lite (i386) when the official site tells about a CPU at least running at 366!!! Maybe I'm wrong (it's late and if I spend another minute to the keyboard I'll fall asleep on the chair) tomorrow I'll give another eye.

With the Vector Lite Live CD I tried all the options but all of them gave me a videomode not reachable by my LCD monitor... no problem on my ACER Extensa. I tried with Linpus Lite and as I said I had the pointer fully working, a black screen with banded artifacts. I have no more clues for you, sorry.

I didn't use vxconf; I didn't know the behaviour of my SiS.
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: OSMIUM76 on November 04, 2008, 11:59:00 am
Up!
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: tomh38 on November 04, 2008, 02:50:59 pm
Congratulations!  Have some toast!

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/tuxtoast.jpg?t=1225837695)
Title: Re: Can I have problems with this old videocard? Xorg and VESA how-to request.
Post by: caitlyn on November 06, 2008, 03:49:19 pm
It might be helpful to other users with similar hardware if you post what you did you did to get X working for you.  It would also be helpful if you changed the title of the thread to add [SOLVED].

I'm glad you got it figured out whatever you did.