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Cooking up the Treats => Distro development => Topic started by: blackbelt_jones on December 09, 2008, 11:07:15 pm

Title: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blackbelt_jones on December 09, 2008, 11:07:15 pm
I used to be full of fear and loathing for KDE4, but I'm past that. I like and admire it now, but I still have a strong sentiment toward Vector SoHo holding onto KDE3 for as long as possible.  I suppose you'll be taking your cues from Slackware.  Anybody have thoughts?
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: M0E-lnx on December 10, 2008, 06:08:04 am
I really do think a lot of distros will keep 3.x for as long as they can.

IMO, KDE4 mocks vista too much. The drastic changes in the way the menu works and how it's designed, The desktop management is done differently, it all just seems to vista-like to me. And worst of all, still as buggy as it was before it went final.

I haven't been a KDE fan for a long time... and it'll be a while before I switch to KDE4
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: |nic| on December 10, 2008, 09:36:34 am
Im using Vector Soho since the 5.1 version and I really like KDE 3. I tried KDE 4 and I was disappointed . I don't like the way the taskbar works , don't like plasma and like MOE-lnx said it's to buggy !
There's is no way I'll switch to KDE 4 and if needed I switch to the standard version of VL.

greetz
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: Skinjob on December 11, 2008, 06:19:43 am
I used to be full of fear and loathing for KDE4, but I'm past that. I like and admire it now, but I still have a strong sentiment toward Vector SoHo holding onto KDE3 for as long as possible.  I suppose you'll be taking your cues from Slackware.  Anybody have thoughts?
So keep holding on is my opinion. I heard all sorts of cool stuff about KDE4 before it was officially released and adopted and truthfully, in my own opinion, I hate it. All my favorite contextual menus and features are gone and its buggy to say the least. Dolphin has crashed on each trial regardless of distribution. KDE3 is the place to be!  :o
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blackbelt_jones on December 11, 2008, 06:11:34 pm
Im using Vector Soho since the 5.1 version and I really like KDE 3. I tried KDE 4 and I was disappointed . I don't like the way the taskbar works , don't like plasma and like MOE-lnx said it's to buggy !
There's is no way I'll switch to KDE 4 and if needed I switch to the standard version of VL.

greetz

I don't know when you tried it, but you might like it better now.  Or not.  I don't know much about Vista, but I think in the end we'll see that KDE4 is a whole lot more than just a Vista clone.  KDE4 is awesome, and important, and it's getting better all the time.  The latest version 4.1.3, fixes most of the problems with Konqueror 4, and there have even been some improvements!  (I'm into "Kickbox", which is KDE applications running on fluxbox.)  But I'm not sure it's a good subsitute for KDE3.  It may be someday, but all the big distros seem to be falling all over themselves to make the change, and to take away the choice before their users are ready.   So if Vector wants to drag its heels, I think that would be all the more reason for me to stick with Vector for a while.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blurymind on February 21, 2009, 01:22:36 pm
kde 4.2 imo both rocks and is rock solid- I love it more than kde 3.5.10. The old kde is just dull compared to the new one, especially now- kde4.2 is as ligh and stable as 3.5. I've been using it on an ubuntu install for a couple of months and i quite frankly miss it now on vector 6.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: caitlyn on February 21, 2009, 01:24:40 pm
KDE 4.2 is included in Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0.  According to uelsk8s it should be in the repo in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: bigpaws on February 21, 2009, 02:10:23 pm
I have looked a KDE4 when it came with RedHat.

I found navigation a little difficult, but I chalked that up to being more of
a problem with RedHat setup vs KDE.

After 4.2 was made for Slackware 12.2 I became somewhat impressed,
there is some differences that I do not care for. I only tested and then
I killed the install, since at that time K3B did not work in KDE 4 which
is a downfall to me.

Bigpaws
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blurymind on February 22, 2009, 01:46:40 am
k3b works in kde4 if you install kde3 libs too..I think they ported it to kde4,but its still unstable
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: radio_silence on February 25, 2009, 07:22:36 pm
I'd love to try kde4 on 6.0 deluxe, but customer service isn't too explicit with their help
(see below, my questions are the ones in arrows)

>
> with the cd as my only repository, there are 55 apps that
> appear when I search for kde4
> Which ones do I need to install?

If you tried to install KDE4 then there will be alot of dependencies
that need to be installed with it.
>

My research on Bibletime shows that KDE is needed. I certainly
could be wrong since I am not familiar with the program.

You could ask about it on the forum.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: caitlyn on February 25, 2009, 11:14:35 pm
From what I understand bibletime is a KDE program.  That means you will need some KDE libraries, not the entire KDE desktop.  You also don't need KDE 4.  If you install bibletime from the repository using gslapt all the dependencies get installed automatically.  I think you'll find there are relatively few.

To use a complete KDE 4.2 desktop you need all 55 packages.

Whether you want a complete KDE or just the one app is entirely up to you.

Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blurymind on February 26, 2009, 01:11:56 am
when are you going to put them online these packages of kde 4.2

I am going to compile it by myself,because i will most definately not going to buy vl deluxe in order to get kde4.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: caitlyn on February 26, 2009, 11:45:24 am
I hope you're not asking me.  I have no clue.  uelsk8s said "soon", whatever that means.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 26, 2009, 02:48:54 pm
I am going to compile it by myself,because i will most definately not going to buy vl deluxe in order to get kde4.

I wouldn't buy VL Deluxe in order to get KDE4 either, but I would (and did) buy it in order to provide much-needed financial support to VL.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: blurymind on February 28, 2009, 12:49:53 pm
I am going to compile it by myself,because i will most definately not going to buy vl deluxe in order to get kde4.

I wouldn't buy VL Deluxe in order to get KDE4 either, but I would (and did) buy it in order to provide much-needed financial support to VL.
--GrannyGeek
yes of course.That is a good cause, for those who have money. I dont even own a credit card. /me is a poor boy

Probably packages are not going to come soon to the repo though.  ::)
And that would mean that I'm not going to package kde apps,that i want to get for myself and the repo pretty soon.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: caitlyn on February 28, 2009, 01:48:12 pm
My understanding is that KDE4 packages *WILL* be in the repo soon.  uelsk8s has said so elsewhere in the forum.

In any case I won't add a different set of KDE4 packages to the repo unless the core developers (vector, uelsk8s) tell me it's OK to do so.  I expect it won't be and that the packages that are now used for Deluxe are the ones that will eventually be in the repo if and when the developers decide to put them there.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: radio_silence on February 28, 2009, 09:38:12 pm
KDE4 up and running on toshsat4600
-thank you to may who helped walk me through it
Its pretty, lots of bells and whistles
 my pref is xfce4, basic, fast and intuitive

In KDE4 I can't seem to unmount vl hot by right clicking icon
Usb monitor on bottom panel doesn't recognize that usb stick is plugged in

(edit) k3b worked fine for me in root (mp3 to wave, burn to cd)
in firefox I had at least 30 tabs open without stalling or crashing
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: caitlyn on February 28, 2009, 10:19:02 pm
@Blurymind:  Per Vector the KDE 4.2 packages WILL be in the repo in about a week.
Title: Re: What does everybody think about KDE4?
Post by: niiler on March 01, 2009, 11:07:25 am
I've been a KDE 3.5.x user for a long time, and while I have compiled individual KDE4.x applications for use on my VL boxes before now, I had not experienced the desktop until today when I bought and installed VL6.0 Deluxe.

I very much like the desktop as I am adapting to it.  However, it *is* markedly slower than KDE 3.5.9 on my laptop (AMD Sempron 3300+) as far as navigation goes.  That said, a number of things (like OpenOffice 3.0) seem to be more responsive than in VL 5.9.  I also like the automounting ( I didn't have to specify HAL or VL-hot ). 

On the downside, I have not yet discovered how to have a separate image on each desktop.  And I miss right-clicking on a folder and having the copy-to option displayed.  Also, Okular seems to be without pdf support (but I will gripe about that in the appropriate thread).

Thanks to all who made this release possible.  I've had to do next to no configuration to have a stable working environment.

Cheers,
Tim Niiler