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Marketing VL => General => Topic started by: kidd on February 02, 2009, 01:48:15 pm

Title: Spread the word
Post by: kidd on February 02, 2009, 01:48:15 pm
Hi vectorites,

VL 6 is next door, and I think most of us (users/community as well as devs) are very proud of this release.

I think we lack on spreading the word outside our community and close friends.

Any ideas of new ways to break into major distribution media would be great, but as I don't what we could do in this aspect, I'll just suggest what I think would be a little effort to each one of us who own a little blog but may help vl.

It's just a matter of announcing when vl 6 comes out in our pages.  A little mention about new installer, or how good/bad results gave you (I hope good), or placing  a little VL badge from http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7432.msg50750#msg50750 somewhere in your page.

I'll do it for sure, but I wonder if anyone else has some other ideas to help improving VL visibility in the linuxsphere.

By no means I want to start a massive spamming, but only find more places where one can tell about his experiences with VL (I repeat: good or bad).  It's sad many people just don't know vl for good nor for bad.

Suggestions? opinions? insults? Don't hesitate posting. :D

Regards,

kidd
 
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: caitlyn on February 02, 2009, 02:15:00 pm
It will be announced in DistroWatch, of course, and I will do my usual review for O'Reilly Media. 

One point I want to make about reviews:  do them but be honest.  If you decide to write about VL6 in your blog or for a tech/Linux site describe any shortcomings you find as well as all the good things.  The numerous fawning fan reviews out there are mostly dismissed as just that.  Write a real review and people will pay attention.  There is no perfect distro or perfect OS.  The reason I use VL is that is serves my needs better than most other distros and it has a great community, not because I think it's perfect.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: StrayBit on February 02, 2009, 02:18:14 pm
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placing  a little VL badge from http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7432.msg50750#msg50750
A lot of conversation but no badges nor any links.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: caitlyn on February 02, 2009, 02:19:24 pm
One more important point:  "major" distros (not Slackware but the others) all have huge repositories.  The VL6 repository is the best we've ever had before a release but its still miniscule compared to Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, or SUSE.  

Most people don't compile their own software and don't want to know from compiling.  If you can compile from source you can build a VL package.  If you're going to compile something for yourself anyway compile it for the whole VL community by building a package to standards.  kidd already does this.  So can many of our users.  That will really help keep users once they try VL.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: kidd on February 02, 2009, 02:38:47 pm
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placing  a little VL badge from http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7432.msg50750#msg50750
A lot of conversation but no badges nor any links.

I have them just in front of me...
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7694/screente0.jpg


@Cait: wise advices. I'll follow them.   

As for repo sizes I think the same.  We are still far from those huge repos, but we're doing walking in the right direction.  One of my motivation for writting sbbuilder was making easier to anyone to make a package. to distribute in official repos.

So if you're compiling your own apps, please, consider packaging it seriously and you'll have it available just a slapt-get away from you and other users will benefit from it too.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: StrayBit on February 02, 2009, 02:53:36 pm
Yes, they do look great, Kidd.  Unfortunately, Seamonkey wont let me copy one or more of the images from the image of (apparently) your screen.  And I can't find a category titled Cooking up the treats in this forum.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: rbistolfi on February 02, 2009, 03:47:27 pm
StryBit, if you scroll down after following the forum link, you will find the post where Masta shows the badges.

I am looking at them here http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=7432.msg50750#msg50750
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 02, 2009, 05:11:08 pm
I took some nice screen shots I'll include when I make announcements in a couple of fora where they would be appropriate. VL6 looks great. I think screen shots may pique some interest beyond words alone.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: Windozer on February 02, 2009, 05:46:40 pm
[...]If you can compile from source you can build a VL package.  If you're going to compile something for yourself anyway compile it for the whole VL community by building a package to standards. [...]

Caitlyn,

I will do this too, once I'm confident enough that my builds haven't introduced mistakes, and once I understand how the packaging works. To be frank, the first several reads of the how-to's on packaging were overwhelming.  :o  ... sorry I don't have enough time space yet to do anything serious for this release  -
other than study the documentation  ;D

Any ideas of new ways to break into major distribution media 

Rename VectorLinux to Vectobuntu?

@self: Oh, bad bad programmer --- no doughnut!  :P

cheers
and GO VL !
- H

Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: Masta on February 02, 2009, 06:52:24 pm
HI guys and gals!
                          Sorry I am just getting to this thread. I am thrilled that you are finding the badges useful and I am thrilled that they/some are liked.  I recently got an idea started on another modification of one, but it has not arrived to preview stage yet.
edit: Now it's done and is in line with the other on the other topic link.

 I wanted to mention that if anyone needs/wants a copy of the badge images, I will be glad to put them in a package somewhere that the community can download them from. If all else fails, maybe we (the community) can email them around (to community and friends, no spamming them, please).

They should be down loadable by clicking the image from the above forum link, then right clicking on them in your browser , but just in case there are some that have issues for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: caitlyn on February 02, 2009, 07:25:46 pm
Actually a VL badge package in the repo is a great idea, Masta, since everyone who runs VL has access to the repo via gslapt.  I like it  ;D
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: tomh38 on February 05, 2009, 01:29:10 am
I realize that, as caitlyn wrote, the VL repositories have far fewer packages than, say, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Mandriva, or SUSE.  Nevertheless, when I recommend Vector Linux to people (which I do whenever somebody seems open to the idea), I can honestly say that there is a wide variety of software packages available which serve most purposes.

Now, having said that, I have a question.  Does anybody know more precisely where VL stands in terms of numbers of packages compared to those larger distributions?  Or does anybody know where I could find out?  I tried googling this subject but couldn't find any hard numbers.

I will say this, though.  From my own experience I think that you can download any package from the VL repositories and be fairly certain that not only will dependencies be met but more importantly it won't break your system.

I think that the quality control done by those who manage the repositories is very high.

EDIT:  I should have mentioned that I'm working on an opportunity to get Vector Linux deployed in a school system but so far it's still in a very early stage.  It may happen or not.  I want it to happen, because I think VL would be a good choice for at least some schools.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: uelsk8s on February 05, 2009, 06:45:57 am
tomh38,
The main reason IMO there are no hard numbers is: most non-slack based distro's split a source package into 2 or 3 smaller packages.
There are pro's and con's that come from them doing that.

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: tomh38 on February 05, 2009, 07:59:31 am
Uelsk8s:

Thanks, that helps explain things.  I've often read things like "Debian has thousands of software packages," and have wondered "how many thousands? Don't they know?"

Also, from what you wrote, we should look at VL a little differently.  We still have less software, but it's more than you can conclude just from the number of packages.

Since I'm posting, I have a question.  I just got a call from my contact person in this school system (it's in Baltimore).  Does anybody think that VL wouldn't be good in an educational setting?  If not, why not?  Personally, I think it would be, but the educational setting in which I work is at the university level.

If I don't hear from anybody why I shouldn't over the next few days, I'm going to buy a plane ticket so that I can fly out to Baltimore and do a presentation for this school board.

Tom
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: lm8 on February 05, 2009, 08:48:35 am
Since I'm posting, I have a question.  I just got a call from my contact person in this school system (it's in Baltimore). 
...
If I don't hear from anybody why I shouldn't over the next few days, I'm going to buy a plane ticket so that I can fly out to Baltimore and do a presentation for this school board.

You may want to check with the School Forge site ( http://www.schoolforge.net/ ).  They discuss issues like this on their mailing list all the time.  Might give you some help with your presentation.  One of the many resources they've mentioned on the School Forge mailing list is this document on free educational software for schools:
http://www.ncose.org/node/3
Someone did a really nice job of putting it together.

Good luck with your presentation.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: tomh38 on February 05, 2009, 09:06:16 am
lm8:

Thanks for letting me know about that.  I had no idea it existed.  This is going to make things a lot easier for me.

Tom
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: tomh38 on February 09, 2009, 01:45:46 am
Hans Bricker has a review of VL 6 RC 4 on this site:

http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/ (http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/)

It's not the top entry anymore, but he's going to revise and repost when Final comes out.  Also, he's got one of those badges (we don't need no stinkin' badges!) on the site, linking to the main VL site.

I helped him work on the review a bit.  It's pretty positive.

Tom
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: blurymind on February 13, 2009, 12:45:04 pm
the word should be spread on all linux community websites. VL has some original ideas that will make it stand out of the crowd. These ideas have to somewhat be turned into visual things that people remember.

how do you turn these ideas into more visual ones?
Vector is fast- optimised slackware (a rocket?)
vector has a tool simular to portage,it can use scripts (a squid?)
Its easy to compile packages under vector (squid with a wrench?)
vector is easy to use,easy to install,works outof the box (the alien squid from the shuttle/rocket is holding some baloons?)

what are the ideas you think fit vector as a distro and make it stand out.What are the images you see and how can they relate to its logo?

I think that it still lacks a mascot,which is a pitty. That way its character is not as memorable as it should be and it doesnt give enough material to challenge artsy people's imagination to create media for it.

gentoo had a cow,so people remembered it.There were numerous images of cows
mepis-piramids
zenwalk-dolphins/a dolphin
Ubuntu is smart-they change the dang thing with each release.
suse- a greedy green lizard...

how about vector. What is vector's official mascot? What does it symbolise? Save the planet? Even if i want to draw something for vector,i dont have much room to come up with stuff. A planet is not something that would generate any variety of cool and interesting images.
But its logo does call some associations- the idea of travelling in space,or around earth's orbit. That leaves me with a rocket or a shuttle..maybe some guys in space suits or aliens?..Its still a  stretch from that logo.
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: metvas on February 13, 2009, 02:03:56 pm
Hi:
Only have a minute right now will post more later. As for images we have the badges Moe has worked on so well. As for names we have had several. v6.0 is right now GUIGNU NeXGeN- Vector Linux v6.0 Deluxe edition. I have been trying the greening theme for some time and think that this is the road to follow.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: Spread the word
Post by: Masta on February 16, 2009, 11:13:05 pm
If it helps to understand what he's saying, it's rather simple :
The planet behind the V is to say that VL is planet friendly (green) , since it works on many old computers, saving the earth because they are not being thrown away , filling up landfills.

Hopefully this helps clear some things up for blurymind , it's not a space thing, it's an earth thing. Something to work with.
And as for a mascot, nobody liked the "Prune Guy", nor the "User Friendly Guy" , so I think we're out of any mascot until somethin comes along. Maybe you'll come up with something.
 Staples already took the "Easy Button"  :D

 Way to go M0E on those badge images you have worked on so well  ;D
It's ok metvas  8) , too big of a hurry there  :)
Title: vector 6.0
Post by: vector on February 21, 2009, 10:09:22 pm
We just released version 6.0 final please let all your favorite linux sites know the news. This is a great release and deserves all the exposure we can get!!!

Thanks,
Vec