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Marketing VL => General => Topic started by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 03:16:50 pm

Title: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 03:16:50 pm
http://www.opensourcebistro.com (http://www.opensourcebistro.com)

I've always disliked when reviews of VL stated it was a great distribution but maybe not for newbies.
I'm hoping to make a site that will change that.
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: caitlyn on February 17, 2009, 03:28:27 pm
Please accept my apologies in advance if I offend you, but...

WTF???????

Vector Linux has a Wiki and has excellent if outdated docs.  Why reinvent the wheel?  Work with the existing doc team to update and improve the docs and the wiki.  Don't create duplicates, especially half baked duplicates.

This is a VERY BAD IDEA.

Oh, and I write those reviews and I stand by them.  They weren't written for VL 6.0, were they?  What lacks in VL in terms of user friendliness can't be fixed with a website.  Fortunately the developers have fixed 90% of it in 6.0.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 04:23:29 pm
Please accept my apologies in advance if I offend you, but...

WTF???????

Caitlyn, I'm not offended.  This was the 1st response I was expecting. (And the WTF????, response was hilarious)
 
You are of course are correct that VL6.0 is the most user friendly version yet. I don't see how this effort changes that.  I can see how it would complement it, however, as more people who are new to Linux are attracted to the distro.

Video tutorials are used by Ubuntu, Puppy Linux, and are shared by the hundreds on youtube for various distro's by linux enthusiasts.  Some people are just visual, and understand better when they see things being done.
This is not a substitute for the forum, I don't even see how it relates.  Some of the tutorials will actually feature the forum and how it can help.

Each tutorial serves in a way as a little commercial advertising VL, it's abilities and the friendliness and willingness to help.  (And I've got to hand it to the forum members, they are the best group around.

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Vector Linux has a Wiki and has excellent if outdated docs.  Why reinvent the wheel?  Work with the existing doc team to update and improve the docs and the wiki.
I'd be happy to, and vise versa I would like the doc teams OK to take some of the tutorials from the forum and make them into a flash tutorial.

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Don't create duplicates, especially half baked duplicates.
Well there might be duplicates, some people may prefer to learn visually, others of course the text version (much better for cutting and pasting).
As far as half baked, maybe so, but I can easily edit any real problem info, based on the comments of people who respond, and I'm willing to do so.

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Oh, and I write those reviews and I stand by them.
OK.  I've never disagreed with you reviews (real nice job by the way on Distrowatch).  It is because of the reviews (yours and others) I assume that the issue of user friendliness was addressed so well in VL6.0

I especially liked the improvements in internationalization,  Gslapt now with upgradeable from the gui, and the improved focus in security. All of which I am aware you played a major part.

I just don't see the downside in offering more help.
Ken


Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: newt on February 17, 2009, 05:20:41 pm
To start, your enthusiasm is great.  The effort you've put into creating your opensourcebistro tutorial site is also fantastic.  I believe that you are presenting a valid point-of-view and many users would use visual examples as well as the verbal.  Your efforts are to be applauded.

I think cait is mainly trying to narrow your focus and direct you in an even more useful way - i.e. the exisiting wiki and documentation.  There's is no reason that your efforts cannot be integrated directly into the official VL wiki, and every reason that they *should*. Your written words are essentially an update to the VL documentation, however when folks come to vectorlinux.com and look at the documentation they do not see your work - thus, in essence, it does not exist and the VL docs are STILL out-of-date.  The benefit of updating what's already existing is that much of it just builds (or comes from) on top of what's already there with minor changes here-and-there; I think the speed and efficiency of the documentation updates would greatly increase for many sections.

I would agree with cait.  Move your efforts to the official wiki and docs; create your verbal and visual tutorials; and create a copy of the data on opensourcebistro as you move along.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Windozer on February 17, 2009, 05:55:29 pm
Ken,

I second Newtor and Caitlyn --- perhaps having your own site gives you more flexibility, but at the very least, make links in the VL wiki each time you have a new item.  There's another aspect: I don't know how much bandwidth or storage the VL site has,  having it mirrored in both places would be good ... but ONLY if it stays very parallel, otherwise it does seem like a bad idea... there is too much info on the net already, it's nice to have a one-stop shop.

I watched your GSlaptintro video --- it's good, and nice to have a step by step like this.  I followed and paused as needed and installed a the font thingy you used as a sample.  Also reviewed the appfinder vid.  You might want to indicate when a vid doesn't have sound - so it doesn't throw off a N00B. Both of these methods are known good teaching techniques.

Please do help on the wiki --- it needs the attention, especially since a new release is on the horizon. 

thanks for your efforts,
- Howard in Florida
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Masta on February 17, 2009, 06:20:07 pm
Why must one have to limit themselves to what already exists?
 He started it, and might as well carry it on, fine tune it, add onto it... refer to the existing wiki and what-not if need to, but for crying out loud, let the person do what he's obvious good at doing!?
 SO he may have some duplication that's already in the wiki or whatever,, big harry ass deal. The more places for information the better, so long as they're accurate in information and useful to visitors.

I don't see the wheel being invented here. I see it being expanded.

Toyota makes a car, does that mean that Ford can't or shouldn't?

Seasoned Linux users need to slow down for a moment and realize that although many distros out there are easy for whatever reason, there's not one distro easy for someone crossing over from windows. More than 98% of Windows users are lucky enough to know how to turn on their own computer, let alone installing something. And they've used their computer to get online and use messengers, chats, Pogo games, and so on, not knowing a damned thing about the software or hardware.
    Now hold that thought and take one of those people and toss them over ANY Linux CD and guess what? .. exactly

His project is good because there are more than 80,000+ web sites out there with tips and tricks and information on Windows. How many do you see out there for any Linux distribution? .. let alone VL.

stretchedthin, I highly applaud the efforts,time, and everything involved. I encourage you to continue, fine tune it, and expand on it.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 06:39:10 pm
There's is no reason that your efforts cannot be integrated directly into the official VL wiki, and every reason that they *should*. Your written words are essentially an update to the VL documentation, ...

I would agree with cait.  Move your efforts to the official wiki and docs; create your verbal and visual tutorials; and create a copy of the data on opensourcebistro as you move along.

Ken,
I second Newtor and Caitlyn --- perhaps having your own site gives you more flexibility, but at the very least, make links in the VL wiki each time you have a new item.  There's another aspect: I don't know how much bandwidth or storage the VL site has,  ...

Please do help on the wiki --- it needs the attention, especially since a new release is on the horizon. 
thanks for your efforts,
- Howard in Florida
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd be very happy to add to the How to Wiki.  I can just link directly to the tutorial I mention in the wiki and I'll carry the bandwidth.  Does that work for you as well.  Or were you thinking in another direction.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 07:02:28 pm
Seasoned Linux users need to slow down for a moment and realize that although many distros out there are easy for whatever reason, there's not one distro easy for someone crossing over from windows. More than 98% of Windows users are lucky enough to know how to turn on their own computer, let alone installing something. And they've used their computer to get online and use messengers, chats, Pogo games, and so on, not knowing a damned thing about the software or hardware.
    Now hold that thought and take one of those people and toss them over ANY Linux CD and guess what? .. exactly

Thanks Masta;

Your scenario, is very close to my motivation for creating the site.  I'm a manager of a big box retailer that carries computers.  You may know there is no money in selling computers or laptops themselves these days, so retailers are putting more focus into selling technical services.
As an experiment I started offering dual boot computers set up for purchase out of my store.  So someone shopping for a new computer could have two OS's instead of one. There was an additional fee to cover the tech's time, but they sold.  They actually did very well, and then the phone calls started.  I had to discontinue, because my staff was not trained for this and I had limited knowledge myself at the time (Just slightly less limited now.).  This was using one of those "user friendly" distro's right from the top of the Distrowatch listings.
So the idea was born to create a site, that could be placed as a link on the computer when we do the set-up.  I figure in about a year I'll try it again.  What I learned was you can not eliminate the questions no matter how user-friendly your design, but maybe you can make it very easy to get the answers.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 17, 2009, 08:40:33 pm
I think video tutorials and how-to's are a great idea. Seeing it done is easier than reading how to do it.

I think we're all agreed that the information on this site should be integrated with the VL wiki and the docs.

Speaking of the VL wiki, I have no idea how to find it. This is true of many wikis. We need to have a much more obvious link to the wiki.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: caitlyn on February 17, 2009, 09:37:18 pm
Ken,

One thing I probably didn't express well is that I have no objection to your video or your concept.  My objection is strictly to doing it as a separate site.

Masta,

My problem with splitting VL resources all over the place is that it makes it harder for newcomers to find.  If Ken contributes to the mainline documentation, whether it's his video tutorial or other updated docs, it's more likely to do the most good.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: metvas on February 17, 2009, 10:10:41 pm
Hi All:
I second Cait why have a seperate site when the composiiton of our existing docs is good. Laganon the current keeper of the docs would I am certain appreciate some help on our site. We have enough bandwidth for all of this just do not agree with the external link idea. Maybe you and Laganon should discuss this first. I will have some ideas for you after that discussion you can think about.Thanks for the effort looks good.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 17, 2009, 11:24:01 pm
Developing this as a second site began simply because it allowed me to gain experience with ideas I was just experimenting with.  A limited test market of just myself, were I could keep what I thought was good and do away with what I thought was bad.  Also, I didn't want any negative aspects, poor video design, website quality extra, or just bad content to have any direct reflection on VL.

I agree, talking with lagagnon would really be the next step.  Integrating this idea of video tutorials seamlessly may take a bit of work and he would know.

As you might imagine, while you work on something like this your mind begins to conjure up all kinds of ideas.  Some benefits I saw from having a second site came in the form of marketing.

1. If Opensourcebisto.com plastered it's video's of Vector Linux all over Youtube then Vector gets all the advertising without looking like it is blatantly self promoting.

2. If Opensourcebistro.com starts getting hits on Google for search words like "Learn Linux the easy way" or "100 of Linux Video tutorials" it will be Vector Linux that people will be downloading because that is the distro featured.

3. An outside site specializing in video tutorials can attract people who are interested in learning Visually, it can market itself as a great video resource for learning linux.  Then simply as a matter of course, those people download Vector because that is now what they know.

Well that's how my mind wandered.

On the other hand...

Working internally would get more people involved more quickly.
I would have the privilege of working with people more knowledgeable then myself.
It would be more likely that a link to the tutorials could be incorporated directly onto the desktop.
Distrowatch and other review sites would be more likely to mention the extra effort VL is making to educate for ease of use.
Plastering Youtube would still be an option, done with some tact.

I like both sides, and yes I would be happy to correspond with lagagnon.


Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: rbistolfi on February 18, 2009, 12:00:20 am
I just wanted to jump in to say that I like the videos, its good to have different kind of resources and I am sure many will find a use for them. I would like to see them integrated with the rest of the VL resources. Even MIT uses videos for training :P
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Windozer on February 18, 2009, 07:28:43 am
Quote from: GrannyGeek
Speaking of the VL wiki, I have no idea how to find it.

GrannyGeek,

At the near the very top left corner of the page you're reading now, click 'visit our home page'
Then scroll down to the bottom and look in the rounded blue box of links, under 'community'

You can also get to it from that same home page via 'community' tab, then 'knowledge center' then 'how-tos'

Indeed - it would seem that the link to the wiki needs to be bubbled up and made more obvious.

- H
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Masta on February 18, 2009, 03:01:40 pm
Maybe I am a bit misunderstood or am misunderstanding something myself. However, I wanted to express that from my reading interpretation, It seemed more like shooting down and "stick with this" than it did anything else.

I can agree that maybe some help with the wiki is good.
I can't agree that it should "just be" the wiki and no web site alternative.

Things aren't about to be scattered about the web. The wiki should be maintained as normal and updated as needed. If the web site has something that the wiki doesn't (perhaps other than video), then the wiki needs to incorporate what it is lacking. That of course would be VL's responsibility. By this, we have more than just one place to get information, even if either have slight differences in it's informational content.

Mention "wiki" to a windows user as I've previously described and you're certain to get the WTF? They have no clue what that is (the majority doesn't, go do your own test and see for yourselves). Mention a "web site", and they're on it like flies on ... :)

If one is wanting to help out on the wiki, I say GREAT, and TY. We all know more good help is better and needed. But I still say the web site idea along with the wiki is a good thing, and it should be continued.
                However the "linking" goes or whatever, that certainly needs to be talked and figured out. Tossing in links that go back and forth on specific information wouldn't be good, but tossing in a link to "further" or "other" information might be the way to go.

It isn't splitting resources. It is a web site covering information that may or may not be in the wiki. This doesn't just help as an extra/additional resource, it helps in advertising, promotion, and other things mentioned already. The pro's outweigh the con's on this idea.

The heart of my point is that far too many times in these forums someone comes up with an idea. Others seem to bring it down or steer it in a direction where it is not as useful as the original idea intended. Instead off trying to steer it or bring it down, be a bit thoughtful and try sending in ideas which could improve the idea, as well as benefit whatever it is that you were thinking of.
Just my 2cents :)
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 18, 2009, 04:01:41 pm
At the near the very top left corner of the page you're reading now, click 'visit our home page'
Then scroll down to the bottom and look in the rounded blue box of links, under 'community'

You can also get to it from that same home page via 'community' tab, then 'knowledge center' then 'how-tos'

Indeed - it would seem that the link to the wiki needs to be bubbled up and made more obvious.

Ya think?? ;)

I don't think I saw the word "wiki" anywhere in that convoluted clickfest. There is a lot of very useful stuff there and it will be even more useful with the addition of Ken's videos or links to them. I'd like to see links and buttons to "VectorLinux Wiki and How-To's" placed prominently on the VL home page, the forum, and every other VL page.

One thing that gets a distro favorable notice is good documentation. We're well on our way to ranking among the best. I like the option to download a section as a PDF. Very nice for those topics we'd like to have on hard copy.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: caitlyn on February 18, 2009, 04:14:56 pm
I agree with GrannyGeek's comments.  If anyone talks to Rodrigo (rbistolfi), our webmaster, it would be great to point him to this thread.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 18, 2009, 04:19:17 pm
Granny, how about a folder under seamonkey's address bar like VL Forum an VL IRC Help have, as well.

Also on the community page one link labeled knowledge center does take you to the knowledge center but the other labled Vector Linux Knowledge center is linked to http://vectorlinux.com/wiki (http://vectorlinux.com/wiki) seems to be a dead link.

Good point on the value of documentation on the reason people choose a distro. Look at Arch linux, nothing user friendly there but their documentation is always front and center and abundant. 

 
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: overthere on February 18, 2009, 04:51:44 pm
This thread is very amuseing..
ya I know better..
cheers
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: rbistolfi on February 18, 2009, 05:26:20 pm
The wiki we used to have was owned in the last attack we suffered, some links in the website become dead after that, I reused them for the KnowledgeCenter as it is a wiki actually.
I will find a place for a more obvious link for that. For some reason the issue didnt came up during the site development. There is good links to the Knowledge center in many pages but not in the home page as you noted :(
The home page has to play many rols and was not an easy job to get them all working, thanks for pointing its weakness, we will work on them. I was expecting that the Links section would clame some attention with its blue background.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 18, 2009, 05:48:19 pm
I'd like to see the word "wiki" in the links, or better, "wiki and how-to's." While I agree that many Windows users don't know what a wiki is, most Linux users do. Hence using "wiki and how-to's," which is meaningful to both Linux users and Windows refugees.

One thing I like about our wiki is that there actually is how-to information in it. I've seen too many wikis that have little content beyond telling you how to add things to the wiki. The Scribus wiki, in contrast, is very rich in content but it's not always easy to find what you're looking for.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Windozer on February 18, 2009, 06:04:39 pm
Quote from: GrannyGeek
I don't think I saw the word "wiki" anywhere in that convoluted clickfest. [...]

 ;D ;D

It's there: "Vector Linux Wiki"

But between you and me (and I'm almost a Grampy ) --- we might need our magnifiers to see it!

 :D
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Windozer on February 18, 2009, 06:12:29 pm
rbistolfi, how difficult would it be to put the two links Granny Geek suggested right at the TOP of the forum page we all see... this would be pretty obvious to new comers.

Like this:


News: Visit our home page for VL info, or our VL Wiki, or, for help, our HOW-TO To search the old message board go to http://vectorlinux.com/forum1. The first VL forum is temporarily offline until we can find a host for it. Thanks for your patience.    


forum1 is where many dead links are --- but that's difficult if N00B's end up there. RE the suggested links above: problem is, there's a knowledge center *and* the forum's how-to's.... seems like a top down menu for all this would be in order.  Another item I've noticed is the links to some install stuff point to VL members personal repositories (or what looks like.)

@GrannyGeek:
you know more windows users are getting 'wikified' because of wikipedia :)
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 18, 2009, 08:35:04 pm
It's there: "Vector Linux Wiki"

But between you and me (and I'm almost a Grampy ) --- we might need our magnifiers to see it!

All the magnifiers in the world wouldn't make it visible to me. The reason is that the links (white) are lost against the white background.

When you said "it's there" I believed you, but despite a very careful inspection I couldn't find it. Then I noticed that there could possibly be more text under "Community - Vector Lnux Forum," so I highlighted it and lo and behold! There are Knowledge Center, IRC Channel, and Vector Linux Wiki. NONE of them are visible because they are white on a white background. They are visible only if I highlight the text.

What are other people seeing? I'm using Opera and my screen resolution is 1280x800 (laptop). I just now tried it on other browsers and in SeaMonkey (which I use sometimes and had set preferences), the text was white on a white background and thus invisible. On Firefox, which I hadn't used since I installed RC4 on this laptop, the text was visible but very tiny. The default settings in browsers are always much too small for my eyes and screen resolution. Once I adjusted Firefox's font settings to suit my eyes, the text disappeared due to white on white background.

I just now went into my home office and tried the vectorlinux.com page on my Celeron desktop with 1280x1024. I've enlarged the font sizes to my preferences in Opera, SeaMonkey, and Firefox. I had the same problem--the white text link is not visible against the whilte background. The monitor on my Athlon 64 desktop is 1600x1200 but that computer is not turned on.

Given that a Web page designer can never know what screen resolution and font settings a reader will have, I think white on white or light or black on dark or anything else that can be messed up when the user's settings don't fit into the designer's expectations should be avoided or at least tested with different resolutions and font sizes.

With Cascading Style Sheets it is possible to have all elements of the page adjust to fit all resolutions without using tables or frames. This has been discussed extensively on www.desktoppublishingforum.com and some of the pages people have produced that do this are awesome. I never design Web pages so I didn't pay a lot of attention to the "how" of doing this with CSS. There is a learning curve but the technique solves the problem of pages basically falling apart when the user's settings don't match what the designer had in mind.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: rbistolfi on February 18, 2009, 11:04:08 pm
GG: The background should be blue, not sure why you are getting white over white. I am seeing the blue background in opera here.

In general the font sizes are defined as a percentage of the screen size so they are different in each monitor resolution. It is possible that we made a mistake somewhere though. It is a big site with several thousands of css code lines, and we didnt have too much feedback at the development time, it is never late to fix things though.
The css section in that forum is nice but a bit small, a search on font sizes didnt give me too much. Anyway, the principle is easy, use proportional units instead absolute ones. I will gladly take a look at any suggestion re css and styles used in the site.

EDIT: for those interested in CSS I recommend the Firebug extension for Firefox, that allows to inspect the CSS styles applied to any element in any website. You can also edit the values and see changes live.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Masta on February 19, 2009, 12:06:06 pm
I'd like to see the word "wiki" in the links, or better, "wiki and how-to's." While I agree that many Windows users don't know what a wiki is, most Linux users do. Hence using "wiki and how-to's," which is meaningful to both Linux users and Windows refugees.

.......
--GrannyGeek

This makes sense.


 I think this thread is starting to become a topic about the wiki though.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: GrannyGeek on February 19, 2009, 03:48:19 pm
GG: The background should be blue, not sure why you are getting white over white. I am seeing the blue background in opera here.

In general the font sizes are defined as a percentage of the screen size so they are different in each monitor resolution. It is possible that we made a mistake somewhere though.

The background is blue, but it doesn't adjust so that larger fonts sizes display against the blue background. The text overflows the bottom and is thus white on white.

I'm trying to attach a screen shot through the Attach: option but I don't know if it'll work.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: rbistolfi on February 19, 2009, 06:39:11 pm
Ahhh I understand now. I will work on that, TYVM.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: Masta on February 23, 2009, 06:23:12 pm
rbistolfi ,
            It looks like the images may have to scale with fonts as well.  :-\
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: rbistolfi on February 24, 2009, 05:41:24 am
rbistolfi ,
            It looks like the images may have to scale with fonts as well.  :-\

That will be possible with css3 but there is no background-size property for images yet. There is other solutions though, I will get there asap.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: linuxgeek on February 24, 2009, 09:16:14 am
Back to the original topic...

I just watched the demo for installing Flock (which I'd never heard of).  Very well done.  When the demo is finished, there should be a link to get back to the list of demos.

I hope that this can be, at a minimum, referenced from the official VL documentation/Wiki.  It looks like a great supplement to the written words.  If the two can be coordinated, then the docs could be on par with the "big boys".
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 24, 2009, 10:41:54 am
Back to the original topic...

I just watched the demo for installing Flock (which I'd never heard of).  Very well done.  When the demo is finished, there should be a link to get back to the list of demos.

I hope that this can be, at a minimum, referenced from the official VL documentation/Wiki.  It looks like a great supplement to the written words.  If the two can be coordinated, then the docs could be on par with the "big boys".

I will see what I can do about the link back to the demo/tutorial list.  The simplest solution would be to have the flash tutorial open up in a new page, then when that page is closed at the end of the video, you will be back at the demo list.
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on February 26, 2009, 09:28:09 am
I'm working on some videos of the graphical installer and plan to put them on youtube.  I am hoping some of you kind folks from the forum could give them a test run.  I'm looking to add any other tips for the installation process (graphical) that you have found valuable.
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/Setup4boot/Setup4boot.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/Setup4boot/Setup4boot.htm)
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/vl60-gui-install-basic/vl60-gui-install-basic.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/vl60-gui-install-basic/vl60-gui-install-basic.htm)
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/modify-parition-dedicated/modify-partition-dedicated.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/modify-parition-dedicated/modify-partition-dedicated.htm)
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/modify-partition-dual-linux/modify-partition-dual-linux-resized.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/modify-partition-dual-linux/modify-partition-dual-linux-resized.htm)

I'm in the middle of the video for partitioning for a windows dual boot, so no video yet, but any comments would be welcome.
Thanks
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: sparkyhall on March 02, 2009, 01:51:11 pm
Hi Ken,

Just had a quick look at your VL6.0-gui-install-basic video and in the partition selection comments, and a few other places, you mention "/root" which is incorrect as this is the home directory of root user rather than the root of the directory tree /.

In the description of file system types on the last line you have "reports to have fixed" instead of "reports to have been fixed". I also thought ext2 was faster than ext3 but I'm probably wrong.

Comments screen for jfs and xfs has a missing "d" off the "and" on the second but last line.

Missing "t" off "default" on the keyboard set-up screen.

Otherwise I think what you are doing is spot on and I would have loved to have had something like this when I first installed VL.

Chris
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on March 02, 2009, 02:04:15 pm
Thanks Chris,

I will edit the errors you spotted when I get home from work.

Just want to say I really appreciate the feedback.
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: kidd on March 02, 2009, 02:11:56 pm
I already showed your screencasts to a couple of vectorbies and they really liked them.

Aren't they mature enough to put a link in the main vl site?

What do you think?
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: StrayBit on March 02, 2009, 02:35:59 pm
That is an excellent tutorial, Ken.  Now I'm viewing "01.Installation/modify-parition-dedicated/modify-partition-dedicated.htm":

extra r in "This is the graphical view of how your new or erarsed drive is partitioned"

Sparkyhall already mentioned the /root issue in the dual boot video.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on March 02, 2009, 04:23:24 pm
I already showed your screencasts to a couple of vectorbies and they really liked them.

Aren't they mature enough to put a link in the main vl site?

What do you think?

How and if the video's are included is up to the powers that be.  I'm just focusing on creating the content. 
Speaking of which, thanks straybit for catching the spelling error.  I'll tend to it before tomorrow.
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on March 21, 2009, 10:25:37 pm
Finally put up the tutorial for the graphical installer on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_X90fKOE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_X90fKOE8)

Please check it out.  The more it's watched the further is should move up the search rankings. The higher up the
ranking the more we can get the word out about VectorLinux.  At least thats the plan.
Ken
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: nightflier on March 22, 2009, 06:27:45 am
Late to this thread, but I'll jump in anyways.

I find the tutorials well made and useful, and see good reasons to encourage this venture. For an independent, unofficial effort, as long as there is a positive contribution, VL should let the volunteers to express their creativity in the way that works best for them.

Of course, "official" documentation and code needs to be audited, approved and supervised by Vector or a designee.
Title: Re: I've started something would like some feedback.
Post by: stretchedthin on April 25, 2009, 12:09:04 am
It's been awhile since I last posted to this thread. Just wanted to report a small milestone.  Just finished the 100th VectorLinux tutorial for the site. As noted before it is independent and unofficial but I do hope it proves useful in encouraging new users to VectorLinux.
If you are so inclined to check it out...
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Distro/VL60 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Distro/VL60)

For now, I'll keep plugging away.  Let you know when I reach 200.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on April 25, 2009, 02:53:36 pm
Thanks for doing these videos. I notice several very favorable comments from those who've used them. You're making a real contribution.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Windozer on April 29, 2009, 03:51:13 pm
100 !

Wow the shear number is amazing, Ken.   I picked a few at random, and they were all good and very helpful.

If you are taking requests (  ;) )  there is certainly a need for "how to package"... maybe you could tackle the "advanced" help :)

please keep at it!

- Howard
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on May 02, 2009, 08:35:02 am
Since the wiki was mentioned a lot in this thread, I figured I'd mention a problem with it here. I can get to the Knowledge center fine but when I click on any link in it (except links for the VL home page or forum) it shows a bunch of html code and python error messages. I tried it in seamonkey and firefox and it does the same thing. I don't think the browser is the problem though because I have been to the wiki and knowledge center before without any problems.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 02, 2009, 09:18:19 pm
Hi Daniel;

Your right, checked it out myself, and the wiki is wacked.  I emailed rbistolfi, I think he takes care of the wiki.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 03, 2009, 11:59:28 pm
If you are taking requests (  ;) )  there is certainly a need for "how to package"... maybe you could tackle the "advanced" help :)

please keep at it!

- Howard
Hey Howard, thanks for the request. ;) Packaging is a tough one, I think it would have to be a series of tutorials.  I'm just starting to study the topic but what works on some source code, just doesn't work on others and I'm not quit sure how to identify the difference yet.

Here is one, to get the ball rolling, however. 
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/13.Gaming/sudokuki/sudokuki-build.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/13.Gaming/sudokuki/sudokuki-build.htm)

This tutorial show how to create a .tgz for a program called sudokuki using sbbuilder.  It should be a good starting point for series of tutorials on 'how to package'.  It should work for other programs where ./configure, make, make install is the chosen build method.
Also I don't mind editing my mistakes and I am new at this so If any of the more experienced have some pointers I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: kidd on May 04, 2009, 09:11:11 am
@stretchedthin : Thanks for the screencast! I've put a link to it in http://code.google.com/p/vlgetpatches/wiki/sbbuilder .

Only a few minor things (No need to redo it, of course):

Replacing '$NAME:' for the name of the package is not needed because bash interpolates it, and when the package is done, $NAME is substituted for the real name of the package.

The first line of the description should have the parenthesis with the description, and the name alone.  That makes easier for slapt-get to find the package when searching.

$NAME: $NAME (blah blah blah, this is my description...)

Another thing to note is that using editors without fixed width font, makes more difficult to make sure the line fits 80 in chars, because 'M' is wider than '-' .

As you see, no real bugs, I just thought I could notice them because it can confuse someone.

Again, thanks stretchedthin.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 04, 2009, 05:10:13 pm
@kidd,  thank you! I think an edit may be a good idea, seeing that I missed out on how  the sbbuilder script automates the inclusion of the package $NAME.  I'll be playing with different script edits over the weekend, maybe then. 
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 05, 2009, 07:54:04 am
Here's another.  This one for pdfedit.  This screencast kind of highlights how the .SlackBuild script generated by sbbuilder often times needs to be edited to suit the application.  From what I understand the type of edit here is common enough that a new packager will benefit knowing what to look for and how to adapt the script.

http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/12.Office-apps/pdfedit/pdfedit-sbbuilder.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/12.Office-apps/pdfedit/pdfedit-sbbuilder.htm)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: kidd on May 05, 2009, 02:38:53 pm
Added This one too in the googlecode page. 

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on May 06, 2009, 04:01:44 pm
stretchedthin: I just watched one of your new videos about the terminal. (Changing directories, creating, moving, and removing files) (How did you do the red circles by the way?) Like all the other videos it was very well done and would be very useful to a newbie but there were a couple things I noticed about it. I'm not sure if it was intentional but I noticed that the mouse movements in the video were kind of rough. Also, the resolution/screensize was set a little low. It was kind of hard to read the words and commands in the terminal. One interesting piece to information that you may want to put in the video in the part about the "ls" command is that you can also use "dir" to list directory contents just like in dos. People coming from Windows might like that feature. You might also want to check spelling and grammer in all of your callouts. It's usually not a big deal but once or twice I saw a spelling error that could confuse a newbie. (I think it was part of a command or something) One last thing: on the home page of opensourcebistro.com, in the section where  it mentions that you can submit your own tutorials, it says "Have Your created a tutorial..." instead of "Have you created a tutorial..." Overall, I like the site a lot. I'll keep watching for more videos and if/when I get VL 6.0 I might be able to help make some tutorials. (I have 5.9.1 SOHO right now and am experimenting with Wink  ;) )
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 06, 2009, 04:16:47 pm
Thanks Daniel; 
Thanks for being a second set of eyes for me.  I tend to move on to the next project before polishing the last.  I would really welcome the contributions when you get a chance.  If you like soho you could do soho, I'd just make a page for it.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on May 06, 2009, 04:30:32 pm
You're welcome. I might send in some tutorials after I learn Wink a little more. BTW, how did you do the little red circles on the video about the terminal that I mentioned? Also, the video about the "init" command and runlevels. Have the runlevels changed between 5.9 and 6.0? In 5.9, runlevels are 2, 3, 4, and 5. There is no 1 or 6. Can you please clarify this?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 06, 2009, 06:35:13 pm
how did you do the little red circles on the video about the terminal that I mentioned?
I used the annotate feature in compiz-fusion to make the red circles.

Also, the video about the "init" command and runlevels. Have the runlevels changed between 5.9 and 6.0? In 5.9, runlevels are 2, 3, 4, and 5. There is no 1 or 6. Can you please clarify this?

I based that tutorial on slackware runlevel infomation I found. The init numbers do not match up with the runlevels as described in vasm I found.   'init 1' in the terminal brought up a single user text mode, init 3 brings up multiuser text mode, init 6 is not a runlevel at all it just restarts the computer and init 0 shuts it off.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 09, 2009, 08:56:39 am
Here are a couple more draft screencasts for the packaging for VL series.

This one is for a manual build. 
(I'm really going to focus on sbbuilder with the rest of the screen casts but I think I'll start the series with this one to give an idea just what sbbuilder is doing when you use it.)
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/grisbi-manual-build.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/grisbi-manual-build.htm)
Again if I have missed anything, just let me know.

I have also re-done the screencast for the pdfedit build.  This one now shows how to get the .desktop file and .png icon included in the build.
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/pdfedit-sbbuild.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/pdfedit-sbbuild.htm)
The method shown in the tutorial works and is straightforward but there is probably a more recognized method for including these files, could someone let me know what it is?

Also, if someone would be OK with me pm'ing or emailing them directly with questions, I have some on building for the other types in sbbuilder, ie. --type=python.

Finally, in doing this I now have Grisbi, Sodokuki, and PDFedit ready to go as .tlz's.  How do I submit them?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: kidd on May 10, 2009, 03:10:58 am
I liked the pdfedit tutorial very much.  It's nice how you go increasing difficulty little by little.

I have some comments though :) .  Again, no need to rebuild anything, just think about that for the next ones.

When replacing the $CWD/$NAME.png and $CWD/$NAME.desktop , I find to be a better solution to move both png and .desktop to the place where the slackbuild is. This way, You won't need to modify paths, and when you upload the package, you'll be uploading a complete black box everyone will be able to run and get a package (We try to keep that possible to be able to automate packaging for vl64) .

Regards
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 12, 2009, 11:50:54 am
Thanks again, kidd for your input.
I have edited the tutorials and included the changes you suggested.
I now have three that will make up a 6 part series on packaging for a --type=normal SBbuilder, build.

They are in order.
Part 1: A manual build of .tlz package of Grisbi...
Building packages for VL..Manual build Part 1.1 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/grisbi-manual-build.htm)

Part 2: Grisbi packaged for as .tlz but this time with SBbuilder.
Building packages for VL...SBbuilder Grisbi build. Part 2.1 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/grisbi.htm)

Part 3: Pdfedit this time, but a trickier build, requiring some editing of the script.
Building packages for VL..SBbuilder Pdfedit build Part 3.1 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/pdfedit-sbbuild.htm)

Part 4: Will feature BillardGL. Which is still a normal type build but does not have a .configure script
just a makefile. (This seems to be common enough.)
not done yet.

Part 5: CDcollect with SBbuilder will then walkthrough installation where dependencies are required.
It's not done yet.

Part 6: PSPP will demonstrate dependecies again that have to be build plus using symbolic links.
Not done yet. Kind of struggling with this one.

That will conclude chapter 1. "Building --type=normal, (configure, make, make install)"

Chapter #2
I have added a series for SBbuilder using --type=python builds.
Part #1. Pygame (dependency for part three application)
Building packages for VL...Python application Pygame Part 2.1. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/pygame.htm)

Part #2. Psyco (accelerates python applications)
Building VL Packages...Python application Psyco Part 2.2. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/psyco.htm)

Part #3. PySpaceWar
Building VL Packages...Python application PySpaceWar Part 2.3. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/pyspacewar.htm)

I have not put a page up on opensourcebistro for this yet, so If you are following along, this is the best place for now.
Ken

 
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: sparkyhall on May 18, 2009, 01:17:53 pm
Just having a go at packaging myself so I thought I'd take a look at one of your tutorials.

Have spotted a few minor typo's in Manual build part 1.1:

-Second balloon has 'manuel' instead of 'manual'.
-'I've isolated download of Grisbi.tar.gz' (in the file viewer it's .tar.bz2)
-'right click and choose 'extract' then 'extact'' (missing 'r' in extract)
-'./configure -prefix=/user' (it should be /usr not /user and shouldn't it be --prefix=/usr)
-Have you missed a cd install prior to the requiredbuilder step?
-'Then -c n lets makepg (missing k ) know that is ( is instead of it ) must not change permissions

Once again a great tutorial that should help those considering packaging take their first steps.

Chris
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 18, 2009, 04:18:21 pm
Thanks sparkyhall;

I'll have a look through that one again and clean it up a bit, once I get back home. Having a bit of a family outing this weekend but I should be able to clean up the screencast shortly after I get back home.

Make sure to try out the sbbuilder screencasts as well.     

It sure would be a validation of these tutorials and of kidd and rbistolfi's SBbuilder if we see a greater number of people contributing packages. 
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 21, 2009, 05:42:57 pm
I've got one more to add to the series.  Kidd really helped with this one (read as...told me what to do and I made a screencast of it ;D).  If covers a lot of difficult situations that could be helpful with any build.

http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/billardgl.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/billardgl.htm)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 21, 2009, 06:51:10 pm
stretched thin,

I want to thank you again for these video tutorials. They are a wonderful resource.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: no2thesame on May 21, 2009, 11:25:56 pm
Thanks for the latest tutorial stretchedthin, once again... excellent.

Just one minor complaint There is no "Next" (only "Back") on the page/slide where you tick off the Checklist, near the end of the tutorial.

And one suggestion: Could you make some kind of index on your site so it is easier to navigate to where things are. I depend on this page to get the Packaging tutorials
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 21, 2009, 11:54:24 pm
Just one minor complaint There is no "Next" (only "Back") on the page/slide where you tick off the Checklist, near the end of the tutorial.
How the h#$$ did I miss that!!  Thanks for pointing that out.  It would prevent anyone from moving further and there is about 30 more frames.
I've uploaded the fix should be good now.
Quote
And one suggestion: Could you make some kind of index on your site so it is easier to navigate to where things are. I depend on this page to get the Packaging tutorials

I have not made a page for them yet on my site. Right now this is the place to find them.  That being said would you just rather I had an index rather than the pixmap or both maybe?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 25, 2009, 04:17:57 pm
OK, here is another.  Rbistolfi guided me through this one as I had no clue.  It has no Makefile and you have to tailor the instructions from the README file and make them work withing the .SlackBuild script.  Sounds complicated, but after 4 hours making this screencast, I think I'll be dreaming about it.

SBbuilder: working without a Makefile. Example CUPS-PDF (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/cups-pdf.htm)

Also, I think this gives me enough screencasts to start a page on my site.  It should be up in a couple days.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: nightflier on May 25, 2009, 04:41:17 pm
I have picked up some good information from these tutorials.

Great work!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: kidd on May 26, 2009, 12:49:40 am
OK, here is another.  Rbistolfi guided me through this one as I had no clue.  It has no Makefile and you have to tailor the instructions from the README file and make them work withing the .SlackBuild script.  Sounds complicated, but after 4 hours making this screencast, I think I'll be dreaming about it.

SBbuilder: working without a Makefile. Example CUPS-PDF (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/cups-pdf.htm)

Also, I think this gives me enough screencasts to start a page on my site.  It should be up in a couple days.

That was a hard one.  Kudos to you and rbistolfi.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on May 28, 2009, 10:09:34 am
I followed my own tutorial to package billardgl and I noticed the tutorial missed a step.
Kind of an important step too.  My apologies.

I've corrected and all links lead to the right one now, but since ethier 21 of you have already watched it (or 1 of you has watched it 21 times) I'll save you some time and explain.

After the changes are made to the Makefile (getting it to take the $DESTDIR variable) the old .tar.gz has to be deleted and
the sourcefile (with the changed Makefile in it) has to be compressed into the new .tag.gz.

This new .tar.gz is the one that gets copied into the same directory as the .SlackBuild.

http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/billardgl.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/billardgl.htm)

Really, Sorry
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: kc1di on May 28, 2009, 11:24:48 am
Thank you for all your work on these video there great!
Dave ;)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on June 01, 2009, 01:06:57 am
Well I've added the page for packaging to the site. You can find it here.
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/page (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/page)

You can also get to the page by clicking on GSLAPT on the VL image map here...
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Distro/VL60 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Distro/VL60)

There are a number of area's not completed but it does give some indication of the direction the page will be going.

All this learning about how to create packages for VL really has slowed down my normal rate of screencast production.  I think it was worth it though.
Hope to see a lot more packagers out there.

If anyone has a good example of a cmake package they can PM me some notes on, I will ad that to the screencasts.  Same thing goes for a no arch type build.
Again, thanks to Rbistolfi and Kidd, for all the help and for making SBbuilder in the first place.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on August 04, 2009, 01:11:56 am
Want a little VL to go?  Make your own live cd/dvd or even live usb flash-drive.

Uelsk8s vmklive is still alive and well, despite not being repackaged for the vl6.0 repositories.
Start by making your own Vector Linux live cd/dvd.  Here is how I did mine.

http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/vmklive/vmklive.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/vmklive/vmklive.htm)

Then if you prefer USB flash drive for your bootable Vector, just use the custom .iso you created in the tutorial above and substitute it in instead of the vl light .iso used in the tutorial below. 
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/bootusb/unetbootin.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/01.Installation/bootusb/unetbootin.htm)

I've been playing around with this an now have a live usb or dvd for vl-light, gold, and gold with kde4.2 as default desktop.  Have fun.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on August 04, 2009, 06:28:54 am
vl-usb-install comes in the vl-live-tools package with vmklive. What is the advantage of Unetbootin over vl-usb-install?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on August 04, 2009, 08:29:04 am
Quote
vl-usb-install comes in the vl-live-tools package with vmklive. What is the advantage of Unetbootin over vl-usb-install?

It could have just been me, but I couldn't get vl-usb-install to work for the two machines I tried it on, virtual machines actually. For the purpose of making the screencasts I do these things in VirtualBox.  I was already familiar with unetbootin so I went with that. 
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 04, 2009, 01:15:45 pm
I'm itching to make a VL6 LiveCD. I was on vacation for a few days and took along a VL 5.9 Standard LiveCD and a PCLinuxOS Live CD for when I was using my sister-in-law's computer. VL 5.9 Live did a great job of recognizing the laptop hardware and even set up the wireless Internet connection without any effort on my part. I just opened Firefox and went to my URL of choice.

Unfortunately, I was unable to control the touchpad with VL 5.9. I couldn't find any way to turn off Tap to Click, which I loathe beyond any possibility of describing. As a result, I was constantly fighting unwanted clicks--which I didn't click at all. Simply moving the cursor over things resulted in a click and an unwanted browser tab opening. PCLinuxOS was nearly as bad and I couldn't find a way to turn off tap to click. So my LiveCD experience was both great and wretched!

I loved VL 5.9 when I was using it last year, but VL6 is immensely better. I know that VL6 does include controls for touchpads (though I disable the touchpad entirely and use a notebook mouse). I look forward to having a VL6 LiveCD.

I wasn't impressed with PCLinuxOS. Fact is, I don't care much for anything but VL Standard and VL Light.<g> The less said about Ubuntu the better. ;)
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on August 04, 2009, 02:27:29 pm
This might be just the thing for you then Granny.  You can disable the touchpad completely before making your custom live cd/dvd and never have to deal with it again.  One note though.  Internet set-up seem to be less portable when the live cd is made on a computer that is connected to the internet at the time.  It expects to find the same connection on every computer and that just not the case.  Seems better to make the custom .iso with internet unconnected.

Read about your success introducing Vector to you family, way to spread the gospil.  I've set up my father (83) with Vector.  I'm working on a way I can easily set myself up with some remote desktop control so I can help him out.  Not that he is having a tough time.  He is actually doing just as well if not better than when he was on Windows XP.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on August 04, 2009, 05:41:24 pm
I found a simple way to set up remote screen sharing and control, with my Dad.  It had to be simple, so he could set it up at his end.  Yuuguu turned out to be perfect for this.
So of course I made a couple screencasts.
Installing Yuuguu on VectorLinux (.deb package.) (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/11.Network-apps/yuuguu/yuuguu1.htm)

Demo of invite and remote share with Yuuguu (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/11.Network-apps/yuuguu/yuuguuscreenshare2.htm)

Worked great for me.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on August 11, 2009, 06:23:49 pm
I like the new look for OpenSourceBistro.com. (especially the search function) What exactly is the "Bounty" thing at the bottom of the screen though? BTW it mentions MythTV but which one? And the one I see on sourceforge doesn't appear to have any files yet.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on August 11, 2009, 10:56:37 pm
Hey, Daniel.
Glad you liked the new look. That's where a lot of my spare time has been going.  I got the idea of the bounty by seeing things like this..
http://wii.qj.net/The-Wii-Linux-Bounty-Boot-Linux-on-Wii-win-500-bucks/pg/49/aid/90101 (http://wii.qj.net/The-Wii-Linux-Bounty-Boot-Linux-on-Wii-win-500-bucks/pg/49/aid/90101)
or this...
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76696 (http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76696)
and considering the popularity of MythTV as an open source PVR, I though it a good place to start.  I'll try and provide more details, when interested parties email.  It will be interesting to see if anything gets going.  Interesting but not the major focus.  I hope to use the site for the primary purposes of 1) Spreading the word about VectorLinux (in a way it's a bit of a fan site, but I don't want it to look that way.) and 2) To provide easy to follow tutorials for any new Linux user.

I did a bit of an experiment with Twitter and identi.ca and microbloged a number of the tutorials with tag lines of 'linux' 'slackware' 'screencast' and  'Installing Virtual-Box' or whatever the topic was.  It worked great, before the end of the week I was already getting more hits from Twitter than from the VectorLinux forums (where I'm just preaching to the converted).  So I can at the very least see this spreading a little name recognition for VectorLinux. 

Also, I'm trying to work up the diggs for the site on Digg.com.  If anyones a member of digg search 'Vector Linux' and you'll see there is not a lot of articles with high digg numbers about Vector. 
again, Thanks for checking it out.  Still lots of work to do.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on September 21, 2009, 11:52:23 am
Posted another tut, see the thread in the How to section.
Making a comment here to say I followed through with kidd's suggestions.  There is now a thread in LinuxQuestions.org plus I've now got 4 tut's up on Youtube, including this latest one. Viva la Vector!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: kidd on September 21, 2009, 01:23:00 pm
Great!

Btw, do you have your website being tracked by google analytics ? I'd be great if you could take a look in a few days/weeks , and tell us if there's any difference in your number of visits.

If you don't want to make this info public, it's perfectly understandable, so no worries.

Cya!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: hippyredneck on November 08, 2009, 08:18:15 pm
The tutorials helped me immensely, thank you very much. :)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 08, 2009, 10:29:59 pm
The tutorials helped me immensely, thank you very much. :)

Glad to help.
If I ever put up a testimonial page I just might quote you. ;D

Let me know if there are any topics you want me to try an make a tut' on.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: hippyredneck on November 08, 2009, 11:50:06 pm



Glad to help.
If I ever put up a testimonial page I just might quote you. ;D

Let me know if there are any topics you want me to try an make a tut' on.

I'd be honoured.

Between the tutorials at opensourcebistro.com and the vectorbie questions forum, there's nothing I haven't been able to get help with figuring out yet. Including that there's a good chance I should probably get a different video card.  ;) Vector linux is still running lightning fast here. I look forward to telling you when I get the quad core. I think I'll have a NVIDIA card in it.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 26, 2009, 12:09:40 am
Little help please.
Daniel sent me a message suggesting ndiswrapper would be a good tutorial, so I made one.  Trouble is I really didn't know anything about ndiswrapper before I started, my wireless cards have all just worked so far.

So I was hoping some of the more experienced could watch the tutorial and let me know what I could add that would be beneficial to a newbie. (Include as much detail as possible.)

Tutorials here....
ndiswrapper tutorial beta-1 (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/ndiswrapper/realtek.htm)

As you will see in the tutorial, everything goes well, right up to the new driver detecting the available wireless networks, but it will not connect.  It may just be the card, but I want to make sure it's not an error in the tutorial.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: uelsk8s on November 26, 2009, 10:55:42 am
The ndiswrapper video looks great, as do all your videos.
In the wpa_supplicant driver section there is an ndiswrapper option, IIRC wext is still prefered but ndiswrapper may get you connected if wext does not.

Uelsk8s
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 26, 2009, 11:10:02 am
Ahh! I did miss something.
Thanks Uelsk8s.
I'm giving it a try now.  Whether it works for this device or not it's worth adding to the tut.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on November 28, 2009, 04:10:39 pm
I have a wireless usb device that (I checked) is supported by ndiswrapper and I followed the instructions in the tutorial to install the windows driver and activate the interface but when I entered "ifconfig wlan0 up", it gave me this error: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device

Does anyone know what that means exactly? or how to fix it?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 28, 2009, 05:30:12 pm
Daniel, try and see if ndiswrapper was given a different number from the system.  Try...
ifconfig wlan1 up
ifconfig wlan2 up

also you can try and see if ndiswrapper configured correctly with
modprobe ndiswrapper
if that command does not give you an error than all is OK.

What pciid number does your card/usb device give you?  Maybe I can help google an answer if I had that info...I'm far from an expert.
Ken
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on November 28, 2009, 06:36:24 pm
modprobe ndiswrapper gives me this error: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
Apparently it's a problem with ndiswrapper. So then, what do I do to fix that?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 30, 2009, 01:45:15 am
When you used the tutorial did you get any error messages during the following steps???

ndiswrapper -i /path/to/driver

ndiswrapper -m
(What do you see if you 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper' in the terminal.)

ndiswrapper -l

also what do you see when you 'modprobe -c | grep ndiswrapper'

Still courious as to what the pciid number of your device was?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on November 30, 2009, 07:12:03 am
When you used the tutorial did you get any error messages during the following steps???

ndiswrapper -i /path/to/driver

Driver installation went fine.

ndiswrapper -m
(What do you see if you 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper' in the terminal.)

I see: alias wlan0 ndiswrapper

ndiswrapper -l

The device is shown as present and driver installed.

also what do you see when you 'modprobe -c | grep ndiswrapper'

I see: alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
          alias wlan0 ndiswrapper

Still courious as to what the pciid number of your device was?

I think this is the pciid number: 13B1:000B (I got it from looking at ndiswrapper -l)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on November 30, 2009, 10:26:53 am
Quote
modprobe ndiswrapper gives me this error: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
Apparently it's a problem with ndiswrapper. So then, what do I do to fix that?

Try uninstalling your corrent ndiswrapper and reinstalling.  Also you could build ndiswrapper from source. It's easy, for you especially.  Also don't use the ndiswrapper I submitted to the packagers thread. It's kernel dependent and if you have done any kernel upgrades from the original with VL 6.0 standard it will fail.

Quote
Quote from: stretchedthin on Today at 01:45:15 am
also what do you see when you 'modprobe -c | grep ndiswrapper'

I see: alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
          alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
It looks like 'alias wlan0 ndiswrapper' has shown up twice.
Did you insert your own line into /etc/modprobe.conf, if so modprobe is reading it in both places.
I think you can delete the one in /etc/modprobe.conf

I think this is the pciid number: 13B1:000B (I got it from looking at ndiswrapper -l) (http://I think this is the pciid number: 13B1:000B (I got it from looking at ndiswrapper -l))
You can use lsusb (as root for a usb device ) or lspci ( as root non-usb type devices) to verify.

If you google 13B1:000B, you are going to find a lot of discussion on the topic of instaling this very device.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on December 02, 2009, 06:26:15 pm
Ah Ha! Thanks to w2ibc's howto on ndiswrapper, I think I've found the problem. I tried modinfo ndiswrapper, and got a "could not find module ndiswrapper error." According to the howto, the ndiswrapper module file should be: /lib/modules/2.6.27.29/misc/ndiswrapper.ko

That file does not exist on my computer! I checked the ndiswrapper package and it is only 25KB in size. By comparison, the ndiswrapper source tar.gz is 194.4KB in size! I'm thinking something is wrong with the package. Surely the source doesn't go from 194.4 to 25 KB in the packaging process.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on December 02, 2009, 08:31:41 pm
I was thinking something along those lines when you got....
Quote
modprobe ndiswrapper gives me this error: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
That's why I suggested...
Quote
Try uninstalling your current ndiswrapper and reinstalling.  Also you could build ndiswrapper from source. It's easy.

I'm guessing you have ndiswrapper but it's still associated with your old kernel (It looks like you may have done a kernel upgrade.  That would explain why all the ndiswrapper commands work for you but it just won't run. 

I'll check out w2ibc's howto. Looks like a good one.  I guess I should include more of those testing commands in my own tutorial.  modinfo, modprobe -c | grep ndiswrapper, even depmod -a would be useful.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: w2ibc on December 03, 2009, 12:34:30 am
Ah Ha! Thanks to w2ibc's howto on ndiswrapper, I think I've found the problem. I tried modinfo ndiswrapper, and got a "could not find module ndiswrapper error." According to the howto, the ndiswrapper module file should be: /lib/modules/2.6.27.29/misc/ndiswrapper.ko

That file does not exist on my computer! I checked the ndiswrapper package and it is only 25KB in size. By comparison, the ndiswrapper source tar.gz is 194.4KB in size! I'm thinking something is wrong with the package. Surely the source doesn't go from 194.4 to 25 KB in the packaging process.

im glad the how to is useful wrote that yesterday AM when i had to reinstall everything after putting in a new drive.

im going with stretchedthin thinking its assc with the old kernel

http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/kernels/drivers/

the .tlz has a better compression rateing then tar.gz so i would expect a tlz to be a bit smaller then the .tar.gz

when i did the gPHPedit package for VL the gphpedit source was 1.1MB but the .tlz is 351KB so even though it is smaller then "source" it should be fine.

i would reinstall the ndiswrapper package from the above link for your kernel and try and reinstall the driver
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Daniel on December 03, 2009, 03:40:23 am
I'm running VL 5.9.1 SOHO, not 6.0 and I haven't done a kernel upgrade. Maybe I'll look into packaging the newer version for 5.9.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on December 03, 2009, 10:48:22 am
VL 5.9.1, don't have much experience with that one, but at any rate it looks like you are right.  If both modprobe ndiswrapper and modinfo ndiswrapper are telling you that it doesn't exist then it is time to build your own.  One thing I'll say about packaging for the repos' is that it is a different animal than packaging for yourself.  You will have to compile it in such a way that it is kernel independent if you package it for the repos'. Far easier just to build it from source for your own machine.  I know you won't have any trouble with it, but Here is a tut from youtube for anybody new that may be following this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Ist9aEKEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Ist9aEKEg)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on December 03, 2009, 03:06:39 pm
I could use the previous SlackBuild and modify it though, right? Instead of making a new one?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on December 03, 2009, 03:39:04 pm
Sure you could. Just make sure the slackbuild is kernel independent.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: Daniel on December 03, 2009, 03:44:08 pm
How do I make sure that the SlackBuild is kernel independent?
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on December 03, 2009, 05:23:21 pm
Not sure. I just build the kernel dependent ones from source myself. Take a look at the slackbuild used for 1.54, link below.
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/source/patches/ndiswrapper/1.54/src/ (http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/source/patches/ndiswrapper/1.54/src/)

also here's the link to my introduction to the whole ndiswrapper-kernel packaging issue.
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=10902.0 (http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=10902.0)

I'll ask your question there and see if I get an answer.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on December 14, 2009, 11:07:10 pm
If anyone has noticed that I haven't been producing many tut's this past week or so, it's because I've been producing something else. Well, technically my wife did, but I was there damn it. ;D
Introducing Tayra McKenna Coulton, my daughter.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: hata_ph on December 15, 2009, 12:43:53 am
What a lovely angel... :)
Congratulation....
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on December 15, 2009, 06:22:39 pm
Congratulations! Tayra is a real cutie and the best holiday gift you'll ever get.

We'll expect to see her on this forum in 2019 or so.<g>
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: nightflier on December 15, 2009, 06:57:15 pm
Aw.. what a darling. Congratulations!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on December 15, 2009, 07:28:50 pm
Thanks everybody, and yes I'm in the market for stuffed penquins, and a Linux sippy cup, let the indoctrination begin. ;D
However, I would pay top dollar for a diaper with the Windows logo on it.  Then I could say..."ah look, she's defragging"
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: hippyredneck on December 16, 2009, 04:39:48 am
If anyone has noticed that I haven't been producing many tut's this past week or so, it's because I've been producing something else. Well, technically my wife did, but I was there damn it. ;D
Introducing Tayra McKenna Coulton, my daughter.


Congratulations!

Maybe sometime I will post a picture of our son born July 19th.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: hippyredneck on December 16, 2009, 04:45:39 am
I just finished successfully installing skype thanks to your tutorial:

http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/11.Network-apps/skype/skype-static.htm

Also got the desktop launcher with the skype icon.   :)

Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: GrannyGeek on December 16, 2009, 08:17:52 pm
Maybe sometime I will post a picture of our son born July 19th.  ;D

Belated congratulations! We're anxiously awaiting the picture.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time bein
Post by: stretchedthin on December 16, 2009, 09:09:26 pm
Quote
Maybe sometime I will post a picture of our son born July 19th.  Grin

Glad you got Skype working, now you can show off you son, to all the relatives no matter how far away.  Throw a picture up, let's see the little guy.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 13, 2010, 12:02:42 pm
Well after a forum member pointed out VL6.0 just didn't have a good DVD backup software solution in the repositories. I packaged k9copy 1.2.4, the most recent release that does not depend on kde4.X.

Usually, I would just upload this to the repositories.  Instead I've decided to use it as bait, to lure the uninitiated into the world of packaging for Vectorlinux.

I've done the complete build as a tutorial.  The idea is for anyone interested to follow it and create your own .tlz package.  Existing contributors to the repository, please don't submit this package.  At least until, I can get another package building by example tut up to replace this one.

So, here you go.
Package Building by example......k9copy (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/k9copy/k9copy1_2_4_small.htm)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 26, 2010, 01:40:56 am
And then there were nine...
Here is the idea, follow these tutorials and you will have 9 shiny new pieces of software you can use on your machine.  The added bonus, is you will also have learned how to package for the repository.  Well, at least these nine applications, and ones like them.  Try them out, and in time come back for more.

How to package k9copy DVD backup software for yourself and the Vectorlinux repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/k9copy/k9copy1_2_4_small.htm)

How to package KeePassX Data Security app for yourself and the Vectorlinux repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/keepassx/keepassx.htm)

How to build wxGTK 2.8.10 for yourself and the Vectorlinux Repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/wxGTK/wxGTKsmall.htm)

How to build Audacity 1.3.10 for yourself and the Vectorlinux Repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/VLpackaging/Audacity/audacity1_small.htm) (Do wxGTK before this one.) <- Edit as of Jan 22nd Audacity 1.3.11 is out. The tut works just fine for it.

kdenlive video editing software
These next 5 are a series that ultimately gets you a shiney new Kdenlive video editing software application on your Vectorlinux box.
If anyone wants to persue uploading your completed packages to the repositories for someone else to enjoy, please pm me.

Part 1. Upgrading  and packaging ffmpeg from a 3rd party SlackBuild. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=268)
following the above tutorial on ffmpeg has the added benefit of being able to enable some proprietary codecs, something we can't do with the copy uploaded to the repositiory.
Part 2. How to build Openjpg for the Vectorlinux Repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=271)
Part 3. How to build frie0r  for the Vectorlinux Repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=274)
Part 4. How to build mlt for the Vectorlinux Repositories. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=278)
Part 5. How to build kdenlive for the Vectorlinux Repositories.  (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=281)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Charles N on January 08, 2011, 07:42:22 am
Hello,

I was sure enjoying reading the past eight pages on video tutorials (new babies, etc), but they seemed to have died out about a year ago (did they continue on somewhere?). 

Regardless, is there a tutorial on RAID1?  I will forever have burned into my psyche about how important backups are as years ago I had an Osborne cp/m computer with several thousand names and address of my customers.  Well, the hard drive went out, and I ended up "retyping" them all back into another computer - each one further searing the importance of backups.  You may surmise I'm a sitckler for backups.  One of the many ways I backup is RAID 1.  I have two computers with this.  It works good.  Over the years, I've lost at least three hard drives and the computer keeps going (I just replace the bad drive and it automatically rebuilds).   Without this, I'd have to reinstall the system to a new hard drive, reinstall all the programs, and bring back in all the data files.  What a hassle!!!   Maybe there's a tutorial how to set it up in vector linux?  Or, maybe with these newer solid state hard drives, with better reliability, the need for RAID 1 is not as important?  Anyway, just a thought.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Charles N on January 08, 2011, 07:48:30 am
Hello again,

I also wanted to mention how invaluable I find the video (and also wink) tutorials.  Thank you very much.  It reminds me of how I ended up selecting Typo3 content management system for building my website - there were a bunch of videos on how to use it. 

Charles N
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: nightflier on January 08, 2011, 08:27:42 am
One of the many ways I backup is RAID 1.
...
Or, maybe with these newer solid state hard drives, with better reliability

RAID provides data protection via fault tolerance. It is a great setup, but I don't consider it a backup solution. One of the most common causes of data loss is operator error. Deleting or corrupting files on a RAID is just as easy as on a single drive  ;).  A backup needs to be to a different location, and not real time.

Newer SSDs promise greater performance and reliability than spinning discs, but they are far from perfect. I just had one go bad after about a year. This was an expensive one too. It just failed without warning. Traditional hard drives often give you some indication that they are about to go, with deteriorating performance and/or unusual noise.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Murdock on January 08, 2011, 08:36:18 am
I downloaded 6 gold a couple of months ago and began to play with it...Then I'm like.OK. I need Picasa because everything else is crap.What do i do for music....etc ?

I wouldn't run Vector had I not found Kens tutorials.Now I actually recommend it to people and they are having a blast modifying shortcuts, menu's, icons etc.
The "six months off of the learning curve" should read six years.

Generally speaking, Wiki, to me means DANGER.
I found him on YouTube, which led me to his site.

I messed with Vector years ago and found it to be a PITA.
It still is ! ..........compared to Debian based distros, but the tutorials make you "get it"
Once it's right it's one of the best.
Until the Slack / Vec package repos mature it's still a close #2 in my book.

Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 08, 2011, 01:38:03 pm
I downloaded 6 gold a couple of months ago and began to play with it...Then I'm like.OK. I need Picasa because everything else is crap.What do i do for music....etc ?

I wouldn't run Vector had I not found Kens tutorials.Now I actually recommend it to people and they are having a blast modifying shortcuts, menu's, icons etc.
The "six months off of the learning curve" should read six years.

Generally speaking, Wiki, to me means DANGER.
I found him on YouTube, which led me to his site.

I messed with Vector years ago and found it to be a PITA.
It still is ! ..........compared to Debian based distros, but the tutorials make you "get it"
Once it's right it's one of the best.
Until the Slack / Vec package repos mature it's still a close #2 in my book.

I don't understand this post at all. Vl6 includes media players with support for MP3 and other formats right out of the box. No need to go hunting for them or install unofficial repos as you have to do with many other distros, including Ubuntu. Picasa is a Windows program. You can't expect a Linux distro to come with it. Google has a Linux version that is old and no longer maintained, so it's quite far behind the latest Windows version. However--the good news is that Picasa for Windows works quite well under Wine! So what are you complaining about?<g> I've had Picasa on my Linux machines for quite a while. It works better if you first install Picasa for Linux and then install the latest Windows version through Wine. Then you back up parts of the Picasa for Linux stuff in /opt and replace it with a copy of the corresponding stuff from your Picasa for Windows directory. If you want to know more, ask and I'll go into detail.

You make it sound like Vector is *hard* without the video tutorials. I'm second to noone in my appreciation for the tutorials, but I started using VL way before there were video tutorials and never found it head-bangingly difficult. Yeah, in the early years things were more difficult, but this forum was always here to help. Now, both VL and the window managers are vastly improved and much friendlier to users. And note: I do not have technical knowledge about what is going on under the hood and I'm not very interested in acquiring it. I just want to use the system and run my programs effectively.

As I've said here before, packages are created by volunteer users. There is no paid staff turning out packages. So if we want more packages, maybe learn how to create them so everyone can benefit. Some are easy to create, some are not. It seems to me that the major stuff is in the repos, but we all have favorites that aren't there. Right now I'm aching for Inkscape to make it to VL 7 testing. But Inkscape is in the repos for VL6 and I'm sure it'll be available for VL7 soon. We're still in alpha and it's called VL7 Core, so a lot is still not in it. I could install Inkscape from some other Slackware repo or compile it myself, but it has a lot of dependencies and I don't want to tackle that right now. I do have OOo Draw, so I can use that if I need a vector graphics editor.

I dearly love VectorLinux now and have for years. It keeps getting better but it has always been stable and solid--and fast--for me. I've been at it for so long that I can't imagine anything easier to install and use, but I can't put myself into the mindset of the newbie. I do think that for new users the video tutorials make a world of difference. They are wonderful.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 08, 2011, 02:43:05 pm
Quote
I've been at it for so long that I can't imagine anything easier to install and use, but I can't put myself into the mindset of the newbie.
Granny, I think you qualified your statement perfectly when you said that.  When I started the tutorials I was still pretty new myself and my memory was fresh with frustrations over many simple things.  Murdock gave a good example mentioning menu entries and desktop files.
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/Desk-launcher-system-apps/Desk-launcher-system-apps.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/Desk-launcher-system-apps/Desk-launcher-system-apps.htm)
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/DeskLauncher-not-system/DeskLauncher-not-system.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/DeskLauncher-not-system/DeskLauncher-not-system.htm)
  For a new user playing an audio cd on some machines required going into the xmms preferences and making changes. As seen here http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/PlayAudioCd/PlayAudioCd.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/02.Beginners-guide/PlayAudioCd/PlayAudioCd.htm)

Installing Amarok or another application which pulled kdebase would cause kdm to highjack the gdm loggin manager. The fix was anything but simple for a newbie...
http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/Trouble-Shooting/kdm-fix/kdm-fix.htm (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/Tutorial/VL60/Trouble-Shooting/kdm-fix/kdm-fix.htm)

So I don't think Murdock misspoke about anything in his statement.  From a newbie perspective these are not intuitive button click fixes, they are easy only when instruction is provided.

Murdock even comes from a Linux background and is not a fresh of the boar Windows user.  So to go back to your last statement...
Quote
I've been at it for so long that I can't imagine anything easier to install and use, but I can't put myself into the mindset of the newbie.
Well said, and I think that is what the tutorials do best.  I hope to make a new set for vl7.0.  I better get a move on. Maybe someone is available to help, this go around? ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: roarde on January 08, 2011, 02:49:02 pm
Well said, and I think that is what the tutorials do best.  I hope to make a new set for vl7.0.  I better get a move on. Maybe someone is available to help, this go around? ;D

I've looked on opensourcebistro, and haven't found the "creating an osb tut" tut. It may well be there, just not where I'm looking. :)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 08, 2011, 06:26:17 pm
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I've looked on opensourcebistro, and haven't found the "creating an osb tut" tut. It may well be there, just not where I'm looking
I'll work on that tut ;D. In the mean time anybody interested just PM me.  Preferably tutorials for VL7.0 standard covering anything that would make a new users transistion easier.  I can set up any volunteers with the needed screenrecording, video editing, and audio editing software.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 08, 2011, 10:16:30 pm
So I don't think Murdock misspoke about anything in his statement.  From a newbie perspective these are not intuitive button click fixes, they are easy only when instruction is provided.

I agree that the examples you gave are difficult, and not just for newbies. In fact, I'd have to look up the answers myself. Fortunately, we do have resources for answers for VectorLinux users.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 08, 2011, 10:38:36 pm
Quote
Fortunately, we do have resources for answers for VectorLinux users.
Yes we do! Your a great resource yourself Granny.  Many people owe you for getting them out of a jam.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Masta on January 26, 2011, 09:01:52 pm
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Fortunately, we do have resources for answers for VectorLinux users.
Yes we do! Your a great resource yourself Granny.  Many people owe you for getting them out of a jam.

indeed
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Herpy on January 24, 2012, 09:14:34 pm
I have a couple of videos about fluxbox, that use vector linux. I am in favor of this!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 24, 2012, 10:05:31 pm
I have a couple of videos about fluxbox, that use vector linux. I am in favor of this!

Thanks herpy;

It's good promotion too for vectorlinux. So far my videos on youtube have been seen over 100,000 times.  I just wish I had more time to create content.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Herpy on February 16, 2012, 07:19:07 pm
I have a couple of videos about fluxbox, that use vector linux. I am in favor of this!

Thanks herpy;

It's good promotion too for vectorlinux. So far my videos on youtube have been seen over 100,000 times.  I just wish I had more time to create content.
That will defiantly get the word out!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: User-01 on February 17, 2012, 10:51:04 pm
Youtube was one of my prime sources for finding out real-world information about VL, and it had a great influence on my decision to go with VL as my next main distro.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 02, 2012, 06:30:04 am
Youtube was one of my prime sources for finding out real-world information about VL, and it had a great influence on my decision to go with VL as my next main distro.

I love hearing this stuff.  I've been a little slow of late, so I'll try and pick up the pace. For those who have not subscribed or clicked the link on the desktop
here are three of the latest.  They are all related.

if you want to go full screen double click on the player window to use Youtube interface.

Changing / Adding style themes to your Vector Linux box (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=765)
Changing / Adding icon themes to your Vector Linux box. (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=770)
Changing / Adding fonts to you Vector Linux box (over 6800 fonts (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/?p=784)

if you want to go full screen double click on the player window to use Youtube interface.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 09, 2012, 01:18:33 pm
Couple new tutorials since last post.

You can find them on the Vector-Tutorial link (http://www.opensourcebistro.com/blog1/) on the VL-7.0 desktop or if you like the option to go full screen I'll include the youtube links below.

Installing VMware Player on Slackware based OS's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJYvfMh6OI)
  ***Note you need to have the kernel-sources installed before hand.***

A look at the latest Sunflower-fm File manager, just released March 5th, 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwZskDMJ4lU)

Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 10, 2012, 11:44:19 pm
Here is the latest YouTube release.

There is a bit of an easter-egg hidden within the latest release of Vectorlinux 7.0, and it is certainly something you never would expect in a Slackware based system.  What is it? The Arch Build System.  It's a big chunk of that huge selection of packages that Arch is famous for.  This can be a big deal if you learn how to use it as it can give you access to thousands of additional software titles.
Vectorlinux and the Arch Build System ????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpo_wCN554k)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 12, 2012, 11:20:23 pm
Tonights tutorial.
Synergy. Control multiple computers with one keyboard and mouse

It's inevitable.  Eventually you will end up with more than one computer.  If you were smart enough to hold on to the old one, here is a way you can now use both, or 3 or 4, with one keyboard and mouse.   This tutorial is done on Vectorlinux using the Quicksynergy front end, but Synergy itself will run on Mac, Windows as well as all Linux flavors.

Check out the Video here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t8yZGtD3fU)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 18, 2012, 06:09:17 pm
Back at home from working on the road and got another tutorial in the bag.

GDM, the Gnome Display Manager and the login window. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAV-zrFT-X4)

This tutorial is a first for me where I have set it up so you can click to navigate to anyone of six topics all involving the login window.
1. Changing the Default System Session.
2. Enable automatic login.
3. Changing the look and theme.
4. Login to another user from the current users session.
5. Adding Sounds to the login Window.
6. See the launching of an example fluxbox session.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 20, 2012, 12:24:50 am
"New themes and customization of the GDM Xfce4 login screen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OMBtzGNLMw)"

This tutorial demonstrates how you can add new themes from Gnome-look.org to create new looks for your login screen.  It even shows how to use what you find at Gnome-look.org as templates to create your own login screen.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 24, 2012, 01:05:36 pm
With VectorLinux-Light 7.0 fighting VectorLinux's way up the ranks of Distrowatch, the idea behind todays tutorial is to help promote the release and act as a guide to anyone using the text installer for the first time.
Vectorlinux-Light 7.0 highlights and install. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MkESeuYpR0)

Also posted today.
File Sharing with Thunar and SSH on your Local network. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73E_JD_8OP8)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Herpy on March 24, 2012, 04:55:03 pm
Man Ken you just keep pumping out the videos! Keep em coming!   :)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 28, 2012, 08:17:15 am
Man Ken you just keep pumping out the videos! Keep em coming!   :)

Latest screencasts, I missed a couple postings, so there is more than one.

Installing Bohdi Linux and how it compares to Vectorlinux for ram usage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_3V3AM7uA)
Installing Enlightenment on Vectorlinux-light.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZY2Uf1s_V8)
VASM tutorial with intro to new VASM at the end (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3VCjz_-oPE)
Updated tutorial for the Vectorlinux gui installer used in Std 32bit/64bit and soho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP05vFKke8)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on March 29, 2012, 09:09:15 pm
Having made some videos on Openshot before, I recieved a couple questions on how to do certain tasks in openshot.  Question number 1, was how to add pictures on top of a moving video and size and position them as wanted. The other question was how to show multiple videos at the same time, in the same frame. As a bonus and because it fit in with the info being provided I also demonstarted how pictures or videos can be moved across the frame.

Here is the new Screencast here. (http://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04fC4wqsoQ")

What are the previous Openshot tut's

Introduction to Openshot. (http://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh7P-UCKAd4")

Green Screen in Openshot and Kdenlive (http://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGio6cOPcYw")
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 01, 2012, 07:50:15 am
Going to focus on mixing in some tutorials that appeal to a wider Linux audience and are not so Vectorlinux specific.  Of course everything is still being done on Vector so the message is there.

So with that in mind heres....

Streamripper and friends.  Recording internet radio streams. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=783VOWNLusE)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 03, 2012, 03:36:06 pm
Todays tutorial.

Get more gaming content onto your VectorLinux box with Desura (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yse6bObezVs)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 03, 2012, 11:32:48 pm
New Day, new tutorial.

Winetricks has come out with an update, so I thought I'd update the video tut.  The new Winetricks tested out to be really solid.
Getting more out of Wine with Winetricks version 20120308 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BKZ3EJKNYs)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 04, 2012, 01:03:07 pm
This one's not opensource, kind of feel bad about that, but I can't find anything opensource that does what it does.
If someone can suggest something I'm all ears.

Yoono All your social networking in one place. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpR9CC46kF0)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 06, 2012, 09:57:52 pm
Ok, back to some opensource goodness.  Just built the update for this and put it in the repo for 32bit, if someone can do the same for 64bit, I'd really appreciate it.  My 64bit machine is going through some changes right now.

Anyway, here is the days screencast.

What is Tintii? Why does it make my pictures look cool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSMfiIvOjMg3)
Tintii version 2.6.1 was just recently released.  So I thought I'd use the occation to get the word out on this Opensource application.  In the Tintii's own words...
"For photographers who love to express colour, use Tintii for colour  on black-and-white, colour popping, selective colour, saturation  contrast and subtle hue and lightness adjustments. Use Tintii..."
So in simplier terms Tintii will extract the color from everything you do not want to draw focus too.  This can make for some cool pictures check out the video.

Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 09, 2012, 10:24:11 pm
[The surprising PDF editor you may already have./url] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_a8B0JVZJk)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 14, 2012, 04:47:16 pm
Been a couple days but here's a new one.  As a bonus you get to see what I look like. (Well maybe bonus is the wrong word.)
Tiling Window management, the easy way. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_zd51jNSs)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: nightflier on April 15, 2012, 05:47:09 am
Looking good!  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: sledgehammer on April 15, 2012, 10:13:05 am
Ken,

Looks good, I agree, but I can't find xtile in the repositories.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: sledgehammer on April 15, 2012, 10:42:36 am
That's because its x-tile.  In other words, forget everything in my last email after "looks good, I agree, but ...."

Duh
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 15, 2012, 12:50:35 pm
That's because its x-tile.  In other words, forget everything in my last email after "looks good, I agree, but ...."

Duh

 ;D ;D ;D @sledgehammer, guaranteed you won't be the only one.  Your post will probably help somebody.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 16, 2012, 10:59:38 am
Window manager's in Linux, Sawfish

There is plenty to choose from in the way of Window Managers in Linux, so what makes Sawfish special. Once the default window manager of the Gnome desktop environment. Sawfish is now an independent window manager.

Window manager's in Linux, Sawfish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KpX1QeVskU)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Masta on April 16, 2012, 08:25:56 pm
WOW! You're on the verge of putting Hollywood to shame  ;D . I went through several of the videos and I must say these things are incredible
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 17, 2012, 07:24:45 am
Ahh! I see you have seen my flying baby special effect. Spielberg has not called, but I'm waiting.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 17, 2012, 01:12:26 pm
Mount Iphone/Ipod touch in Linux (Vectorlinux)
This tutorial is thanks to a request from a subscriber on the Youtube channel.  The tutorial addresses the steps necessary to get the newer Apple iPod Touch and iPhone devices to mount so they can be accessed by your Linux box.  Even if your Linux distribution can do this out of the box, you may find it helpful to know what is at work, so you can address the situation if something goes wrong.

Mount Iphone/Ipod touch in Linux (Vectorlinux) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjUNQ46GVI)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Masta on April 18, 2012, 10:26:20 pm
Ahh! I see you have seen my flying baby special effect. Spielberg has not called, but I'm waiting.
I'll go knock on his door, next time I'm up that way   ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 19, 2012, 07:32:40 pm
Bash Command line: History Tips and Tricks

Before you learn any commands in Linux, get to know how you can make the most of the history functions in Bash.  This will save you and your fingers a lot of wear and tear. Learning this and making sure your working in a terminal emulator that has good copy past functionality and your going to find the command line a pretty comfortable place.

Bash Command line: History Tips and Tricks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH1PearPwM)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on April 21, 2012, 07:54:59 pm
xfce4 version 4.10 sneek peek before final release. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pawg3pY9oak)
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on June 07, 2012, 11:55:44 pm
New video's on the youtube channel since I last announced.

What do you get when you make Mplayer a little better?  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5C-RRyAJh8)
Save the CD's. Put Vectorlinux Std or Soho Installer on to USB drive.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLyunRJsrVU)
Vectorlinux 7.0 Soho edition. Really fast KDE 4.8.3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpz42xAfg8g)
Opensource presentation software .... digital Blackboards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTiV1qz-rEI)
Introductory Review Fotoxx photo management. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aRhODm7mlI)



If you want more current updates just subscribe on the youtube channel.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Linux4me on December 30, 2012, 04:14:00 pm
http://www.opensourcebistro.com (http://www.opensourcebistro.com)

I've always disliked when reviews of VL stated it was a great distribution but maybe not for newbies.
I'm hoping to make a site that will change that.
Ken

You need to re due more than 75% of what you have posted there. Its way out of date, and what you have posted more often than not doesn't work in the current versions making this for a newbie a terrible experience. From what i can gather the user will need to be in the version you are posting your videos in. Consider staying with the wiki as caitlyn has already stated. If your going to maintain the repos, then maintain you site or pull it!
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: sledgehammer on December 30, 2012, 10:48:25 pm
Linux4me,

Could you specify which videos you have found to be out of date?  Most of the videos I access seem generally up-to-date and even those not up to date give me a pretty good idea of how to run the program at issue, even if its a later version.  I certainly don't want Stretchedthin to take the ones I use down. 

John
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Masta on January 09, 2013, 09:20:09 pm
yes, some are out of date. Please change the 2012 to 2013, thank you.  ;D
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: stretchedthin on January 09, 2013, 09:57:39 pm
yes, some are out of date. Please change the 2012 to 2013, thank you.  ;D


lol.  Damn I was counting on those Mayans being right.
Title: Re: Linux Video Tutorials on VectorLinux. (Independent effort..for the time being.)
Post by: Linux4me on January 11, 2013, 05:21:08 am
lol, that’s what most atheists thought to.