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VL Solutions => Welcome => Topic started by: Sty on February 19, 2009, 03:35:09 pm

Title: Switch to Linux
Post by: Sty on February 19, 2009, 03:35:09 pm
Alrighty,

I would love to switch my primary laptop to Linux from Windows.  Not that Vista is necessarily bad, but I'm tired of the bloat that hangs up a lot.

However, before I switch, I need to make sure I can do certain things, with virtually no down time.

I need:

I think that is everything, I'll keep thinking, but if I get all that, I'm off to a good start.  So, what about it guys, can I make the switch?
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: uelsk8s on February 19, 2009, 03:45:08 pm
Honestly I dont think you can.
If it is possible it wont be an easy transition, IMO.

Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Sty on February 19, 2009, 04:41:53 pm
Drats!  That's what I was afraid of. :(
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: caitlyn on February 19, 2009, 05:19:11 pm
Microsoft does everything it can to make sure their applications don't play nice with others.  So the answer is no, not to the extent you want.  Outlook for mail can be done.  Calendaring can be done but it's a royal pain.  Mailing lists don't translate well at all.  Other than browsing through contacts pretty much forget about it.  Some of the other apps you list are also seriously problematic.

Equivalent apps?  No problem.  Working with MS apps?  Always a problem.

Vista isn't bad?  That's a joke, right?  I read more frustration from die-hard Windows users about Vista on the net than anything else.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Windozer on February 19, 2009, 05:41:40 pm
> Microsoft Outlook: complete replacement.  Work has me use the calendar, mail, contacts, etc.

Sty, sorry to say that one item alone sinks it.

As Caitlyn mentions, there are substitutes, but if you have to use Outlook synced to your office's windows servers running Exchange, then you have to use Outlook...

Actually, I'm figuring out how to export outlook contacts for conversion into a mySQL or PostgreSQL database so we can front end it on VL - and drop outlook and exchange  8)

How about dual booting? Have enough drive space? At least that way, you can have your VL cake, and *almost* eat it too. ;D

- H
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: GeneralError324 on February 19, 2009, 06:39:31 pm
I don't know much on the subject of using Virtual Machines, but I'd think that if you ran a copy of Windows in a VM you would be able to run all of your Windows programs natively.  That wouldn't really make you 100% Linux, but at least you'd be able to keep linux for the rest of your stuff.

Or like Windozer suggested, dual boot could be an option too.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: rbistolfi on February 19, 2009, 06:43:22 pm
Doesn't Evolution do all that outlook stuff? Just asking I use mutt for mail client, never used Evolution more than 10 mins.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Dweeberkitty on February 19, 2009, 06:56:29 pm
So, I used to use MS Outlook and I installed Thunderbird and converted my Outlook data (emails, contacts, etc...) into the standard mail format ("mbox" I think). Then it was easy to import that into any mail client like Evolution, Kmail, etc...
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: GeneralError324 on February 19, 2009, 06:58:09 pm
I know Evolution does a lot of the Outlook type stuff, but I've never heard anything about whether it can play nice with Outlook or not, if it will show the calendar to others viewing it and such or if it can accept meetings from others, use voting buttons, etc.

Course even if it was a perfect Outlook stand-in, all those other issues would still need to be knocked down, Apple doesn't play nice with anybody either, especially linux.  :-\
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Windozer on February 19, 2009, 06:59:26 pm
Quote from: rbistolfi
Doesn't Evolution do all that outlook stuff? Just asking I use mutt for mail client, never used Evolution more than 10 mins.

Yes, but it's not as reliable as I'd like ... here's the link to evolution and exchange:
http://library.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/exchange-configure.html.en
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: caitlyn on February 19, 2009, 08:09:35 pm
As Caitlyn mentions, there are substitutes, but if you have to use Outlook synced to your office's windows servers running Exchange, then you have to use Outlook...

Not quite true.  A lot can be done with evolution, a mail client whch effectively uses the OWA interface to connect to Exchange.  In addition the OWA (Outlook Web Agent), which is somewhat limited, can be used under Opera very well if Opera reports that it's Internet Explorer.

It's still not 100% so as Howard points out you probably aren't going to be fully satisfied.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Sty on February 19, 2009, 09:16:31 pm
Actually we don't use an exchange server.  It's more being able to grab calendar items that are mailed to me, etc.  However, I could even LIVE without this.  I need windows mobile sync though.

Also, sorry about the forum, I saw "VL Solutions" and thought for some reason that it was ways to make VL the solution XD
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: caitlyn on February 20, 2009, 05:28:42 am
Well, VL can't be the solution if it needs to do something that doesn't work in Linux, any distribution of Linux.  Yes, we'd all like to make VL a solution to all sorts of problems.  The issue here really isn't Linux at all, it's Microsoft's strategy to keep everything closed and lock customers in.  My personal response to that strategy is to avoid Windows as much as possible.  I fully understand, though, that sometimes isn't possible when employers insist on Windows.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Joe1962 on February 20, 2009, 01:40:15 pm
I need windows mobile sync though.
Palms are well supported, as I can attest personally, but for Windows-based PDAs, there is  SynCE (http://www.synce.org), though I cannot say what it's current status is. I seem to remember reading about a newer sync platform a while back, also, but cannot remember the name. Another option is to symply install Linux on the PDA, something I have done a couple of times... ;D
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Daniel on February 20, 2009, 08:33:55 pm
Sty, just a wild thought here but you might try using Wine to install Outlook in VL.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Sty on February 20, 2009, 10:05:55 pm
I think the best way would be trying to get the VMWare Server version going, where you run Windows "in the background".  I never could get that quite right on my desktop.  Maybe I'll give it another go when things settle down.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: aulus on February 23, 2009, 10:24:26 am
I have vmware server running on my VL 6 rc4 desktop and it didn't require any tweeks. My virtual windows runs as expected in a VM.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: GeneralError324 on February 23, 2009, 07:21:14 pm
You may also want to check out Crossover Office, though it may not work for everything it's worth a shot.  You can get a trial version and more information at http://www.codeweavers.com It's built on Wine and is pretty good, I use it for my Windows stuff like Flash and Photoshop(No longer photoshop now that I learned some GIMP  :) )
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: wcs on February 26, 2009, 07:55:44 pm
Yea, with Crossover Office (or wine), you should be able to run outlook 2003, without the need to have a virtual machine with windows running... Though you might want/need a newer version of outlook, and some problems might show up even with the older versions.

I also use Virtual Box and it works great, but it's quite a hit to your system (especially in ram).
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: TheyMostlyWork on March 06, 2009, 06:07:20 pm
+1 for VirtualBox. I have had good luck using it to host XP Pro in VL SOHO 5.9. Actually, the transparency is so good (to me) that I get slightly uncomfortable: I don't like the scary feeling I get  :o  when momentarily forget that I'm actually running linux under the hood....  ::)
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: MikeCindi on March 06, 2009, 06:41:24 pm
Currently I run XP in Virtual Box 2.1.4 and am able to sync my Dell Axim X30 with Outlook 2003. For my purposes this works better than VMware Server 2. I need the same access as you seem to need and the one item that keeps MS on my machine(s) is syncing with windows mobile. There is not yet a viable linux option for this. Changing to PalmOS is not of interest to me. The other "needs" are workable.

I do dual boot with Vista and have no qualms with it; others may complain about it but I cannot.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: Sty on March 11, 2009, 10:21:15 pm
Mike, have you tried this solution before? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Linux-Symbiosis-Not-a-Dream-Anymore-59314.shtml

That's what I think I want to have happen, just not sure that it is the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: MikeCindi on March 12, 2009, 07:01:33 am
I have not tried that specific arrangement. I have used VMware Server 1.x and 2.0 and the flakey USB support in 2.0 (at least on my machines) sent me back to Virtual Box (currently using 2.1.4 - not OSE) which has very good USB interaction (on my machines) and a much smaller footprint. Let me know how this "symbiosis" via VMware works for you.
Title: Re: Switch to Linux
Post by: newt on September 04, 2009, 09:02:09 am
Can you please include the option of Switch User su in your next release? Beacause for security reasons, people disable login by root. So if SU is available, they can switch to root and do the stuff which only root can do.
'su' is always available in VL releases. Being based on slackware it kind of comes with the territory.  Then again, maybe I just misunderstood your post above (wouldn't be the first time :P)