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The Vectorian Lounge => The Lounge => Topic started by: Joe1962 on August 03, 2006, 11:18:50 am

Title: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on August 03, 2006, 11:18:50 am
Carrying on where this thread on the previous Forum left off......
http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum1/index.php?topic=6304.0 (http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum1/index.php?topic=6304.0)

We get mentioned twice on this DesktopLinux.com article ("Reincarnating a discarded laptop with Linux"):
http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum1/index.php?topic=6304.0 (http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum1/index.php?topic=6304.0)
Their distro links and requirements are a bit old (Standard 2.5 and SOHO 5.0) however.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on August 03, 2006, 12:53:10 pm
Vector gets a mention in Linux User and Developer issue 63.  It gets a 4 out of 5 herring rating... or rather 5.1 Standard RC4 Live CD does.

They sum it up with the pros and cons thus:

Pros: Fast and lively, runs well without tweeking, decent GUI admin tools, good hardware recognition routines, excellent and well rounded choice of applications.

Cons: Poor documentation, amateur desktop design and installation glitches mar an otherwise excellent product.

The reviewer really do not like the look of it "The desktop in each case is themed in identical blue VectorLinux manner, with ugly icons and rather obtrusive styling which could well rival other OSes in terms of poor aesthetic judgement,"


Personally I like the default wallpapers and others have praised them as looking good, so I think aesthetics are clearly a matter of taste.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on August 03, 2006, 05:18:40 pm
Personally I like the default wallpapers and others have praised them as looking good, so I think aesthetics are clearly a matter of taste.
Indeed! I believe the important thing is to be consistent and follow your "corporate image" at all times. Fads are just that..... so go for the longer term user-expectations instead.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on August 04, 2006, 01:37:40 am
The review was two pages long, which isn't bad... and they generally liked it, though it was a rc4 version not final.... so I think they were a little harsh.  I really like the watery background with the logo, its a matter of taste.    BTW why are we getting ZZzzz popping up over the forum?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on September 02, 2006, 11:18:34 am
Just did my regular check of the VL page on Wikipedia and found a new link was just added to a "Vector Linux Fan Site" (http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/ (http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/)) from Ciprian Dosoftei.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on September 03, 2006, 03:57:38 am
well,vector's default icon theme and designs are pretty ordinary  ::)

Also that blue is so tiresome for the eyes.

Why dont you focus on:

more crayon blue:
#ecedf3
combinated with Silver-ish
and a little golden yellow

Look at these Icons:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29825

dont you think they fit vector perfectly? With a more lighter wallpaper!!?
We should open a thread about vector's theme design.
Stop using kde's defaults, icewm defaults,xfce defaults. There are so many cusotomisations out there. Do we have to stick with that dark blue all the time?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on September 03, 2006, 06:24:06 am
---snip---

We should open a thread about vector's theme design.
Stop using kde's defaults, icewm defaults,xfce defaults. There are so many cusotomisations out there. Do we have to stick with that dark blue all the time?

I started a thread in the VL 6.0 thread in the General Development forum on the topic of discussion of theming VL.

John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on September 03, 2006, 05:17:36 pm
Do we have to stick with that dark blue all the time?
That has been VL's "corporate image" till now, like that brown for Ubuntu. Such things should not be changed lightly. This does not mean more choices should not be included as alternatives.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on September 03, 2006, 08:05:27 pm
I tend to agree, the watery blue background with the logo is a signature design that gives the distro a good look and feel.  I quite like the purple version too (on dynamite).  While the look should be secondary to the functionality having a wonderful slick looking distro helps a great deal with recognition.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on September 04, 2006, 07:55:39 am
Quote
Cons: Poor documentation, amateur desktop design ...
we will keep the blue... but lets make it more like the V on vector's logo and less like the Planet ( the blue and green on the planet dont blend well with anything ,because their colors are too contrast  :-\ ) plus that they tend to look exactly like Kde's default look and feel colors.

If you dont want to change the default background (which is i dont know anymore from what time), then atleast stop using the defaults of every desktop environment.Thats a bad design choice. ::)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on September 13, 2006, 09:34:17 am
VectorLinux was mentioned in a comment posted in reply to an article about DesktopBSD. See the Newsforge article here: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/2053249&from=rss (http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/2053249&from=rss). To quote the mention of VL:

Quote
[DesktopBSD] reminds me of what the VectorLinux project does with Slackware (my favorite distro, personally). Like FreeBSD, on which Slackware is much patterned, Slackware has two reputations: one deserved, the other, in my opinion, not as deserved. The first is its solidity. Totally spot-on. The other is that of being "as user-friendly as a coiled rattlesnake." While I do question that assertion, VectorLinux does make a very slick Slackware tweak, which I like a lot.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on September 23, 2006, 02:59:46 am
Do we have to stick with that dark blue all the time?
That has been VL's "corporate image" till now, like that brown for Ubuntu. Such things should not be changed lightly. This does not mean more choices should not be included as alternatives.

Some people think the Ubuntu color scheme looks like doo doo. I think it's just fine + I like the Bantu word. My only problem with Ubuntu is that it runs like doo doo. Maybe we should hold an imbizo over this matter.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on September 25, 2006, 02:49:20 am
Do we have to stick with that dark blue all the time?
That has been VL's "corporate image" till now, like that brown for Ubuntu. Such things should not be changed lightly. This does not mean more choices should not be included as alternatives.

Some people think the Ubuntu color scheme looks like doo doo. I think it's just fine + I like the Bantu word. My only problem with Ubuntu is that it runs like doo doo. Maybe we should hold an imbizo over this matter.
hjaha,indeed a doo doo  ;D

the only thing that i like in ubuntu is its driving force,the people behind it.That's ubuntu's power.Also,they are actually trying to bring innovation,apart of making linux more famous.Linux giants too- suse,fedora... (mandrake is out of the list,because all they did was cashing in,and rereleasing an utterly buggy distro (atm trying to reclaim their lost fame by adding xgl/compiz to their default pack))

but ubuntu (canonical) ,suse,fedora(redhat)... they all have a big company behind them.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on September 26, 2006, 02:03:13 pm
Hello guys. I agree with Blurry on Ubuntu being a tard slower than Vector and some other distros, but in my experience compared to the others like Fedora, Suse, and Mandrake, Ubuntu runs as fast or faster. Comparing to slack and vector , well that is a slightly different story.

But one thing that sucked me to VL and that impressed me with VL 5.1 Soho was the ability to install apps via gslapt much like synaptic in Ubuntu or the debian-based flavors.

Speed-wise Vector and other slack derivatives are better. But when it comes to ease of finding packages via the gui, nothing comes close to dapper or debian flavors to my knowledge, besides maybe PClinuxos.

VLs advantage, when something is amiss with experience you can use the message to get what is missing manually from slackit or linuxpackages. Lately, this no longer happens. I believe gslapt is really getting there.  But synaptic or apt-get from debian is still more robust.

It is quite easy for me to tweak Dapper to get bleeding-edge stuff without hassles. The documentations on their wikis and forum search are near impeccable.

The ease and speed of getting bloat is fast. If I want kde 3.5.4 on my Ubuntu install, I simply go to synaptic and enter kubuntu-desktop, for xfce, xubuntu, for enlightenment, fluxbox, and more, it is all handles easily. Also when an upgrade is required you get a flashing notifier..

So I can see why many an individual use it. I often go there since that was one of the places I started off in to point others seeking more control and speed to VL.

Now what hooked me to VL was the beauty, polish, and drastic success of enlightenment on it. What tied me to it permanently, was the responsiveness of the folks here, the community, and the rate of knowledge, the user gains, not to mention the simplistic way, slack was recreated for a clueless beginner like myself to install.

Ubuntu is awesome and worry-free. Ofcourse as Blurrymind would testify, and as some other friend I know, including myself due to all the dependencies requirement, should you wish to troubleshoot a package installed wrong, this would prove more difficult than in Slack. In slack or VL, something missing for install, just find it from linuxpackages, download and install it with installpkg or pkgtool.

However, most average users do not push that envelope or get to that point.

 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on September 30, 2006, 11:56:15 pm
On the subject of reviews and mentions this thread from Blag may give some insights.... http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=2622
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on October 01, 2006, 09:07:11 am
On the subject of reviews and mentions this thread from Blag may give some insights.... http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=2622


Lyn,

Thanks for sharing that thread. It was interesting to see the response from Distrowatch about that distro's announcement. When we write announcements of upcoming releases, we need to capture the attention of the readers so that they'll be motivated to try VL and to up our standings on Distrowatch.

It would also help if somebody were willing to come forward and become our website admin, now that UKBill has gone into retirement. The site sorely needs to be updated. Any volunteers?

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on October 02, 2006, 01:06:49 am
On the subject of reviews and mentions this thread from Blag may give some insights.... http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=2622


Lyn,

Thanks for sharing that thread. It was interesting to see the response from Distrowatch about that distro's announcement. When we write announcements of upcoming releases, we need to capture the attention of the readers so that they'll be motivated to try VL and to up our standings on Distrowatch.

While rankings are not of importance in the grand scale of things rankings on Distrowatch are important in as much as they get more people to try out Vector, and hopefully feedback results too, thus ensuring a quality product.....

I was surprised that dynamite got no mention while some distros issue new releases that update the wallpaper and substitute some latest version of some apps and call it a new release.... thus getting coverage. 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on October 19, 2006, 09:03:09 pm
A nice review of 5.8 beta from the kind folks at http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org:
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/vectorlinux-5.8.php
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on October 27, 2006, 06:57:21 am
I just peeked at the link. Now we are talking. I shall wait on until VL 6 gets released. I guess rather than keep nagging about looks of VL, tell me how I can help.

I am still a total novice and have much to learn, but all I can do is install a new RC, and do everything I would normally do on some other OS, and let you know what broke or did not broke.

Would this be helpful on my part, or is there something more I can do. I really want this distro and you guys to keep pushing the envelope. How can I help?

I am relatively newbish as you can tell from some of my posts in the past, but I do not want this great community to fall behind due to folks like me who walk away.

I plan on sticking here and voicing some stupid comments. Whatever, it takes to keep this distro doing what it had done in the past for me.

The folks at Zen are thinking of trying the lyzma stuff already used here. This in itself demonstrates the innovative potential of the devs here.

Keep up the great work. I did not know that I could install VL 5.1.1 and simply install newest XFCE as used in the RC, and still be on the go.

So tell me how I may help. I can try. If I am totally incapable at what I do I would forfeit and try in other ways.

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 27, 2006, 10:47:42 pm
I am still a total novice and have much to learn, but all I can do is install a new RC, and do everything I would normally do on some other OS, and let you know what broke or did not broke.

That, in essence, is what beta testing is all about. Install the beta or release candidate, use it for everything you can think of, try out all your peripherals, removables, cameras, printers, etc., and see if everything works smoothly. Install whatever programs you normally use and see if they work as they should. Set up your network, your scanner, and any services you use and see what happens. Describe problems in the forum section for reporting bugs with the beta version you're using.

The more people who test the better. The nature of bugs is that they can be unpredictable. What works on one system may not work on another. Since the developers are small in number and don't have a wide assortment of equipment on which to test, they need as many volunteer testers as possible to test beta versions on a broad range of hardware doing many different things with their computers.

It's really fun to test as each version comes out and you have the satisfaction of knowing you're doing something really important for making VectorLinux the best distro it can be.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: LLL on October 28, 2006, 07:59:05 am
A nice review of 5.8 beta from the kind folks at http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org:
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/vectorlinux-5.8.php


JOE - when I saw this in the review, I thought of you:

"...some are tuned for better performance and usability (Firefox for example, although SeaMonkey is a sweet alternative)..."

Only thing that could've been done better there would be to call it a sweet-suite alternative!!! ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on October 28, 2006, 04:14:47 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on November 01, 2006, 03:07:58 pm
Our friends at vectorlinux.webarticles.org noticed the RC1:
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/vectorlinux-5.8-rc1.php
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on November 02, 2006, 07:19:31 am
I shall do some testing today then. and shoot out comments.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on November 07, 2006, 04:51:34 pm
Some more from vectorlinux.webarticles.org :

VectorLinux Standard 5.8 Release Candidate 2:
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/vectorlinux-5.8-rc2.php

VectorLinux vs Freespire Linux:
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/vectorlinux-vs-freespire.php
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 07, 2006, 07:03:48 pm
>> VectorLinux vs Freespire Linux >>

I'm not fond of arguments over what's the "best" distro or even what's the best operating system. These tend to be religious wars. Given that Linux users have such different hardware, different ideas of what they want their computers to do, different levels of geekiness, different preferences with regard to desktop environments and window managers, different willingness to spend money, and different attitudes about ideological purity, how could there possibly be a "best" distro?

It doesn't seem to me that a contest between VectorLinux Standard and Freespire makes a lot of sense. I acknowledge that I haven't tried Freespire, but I'm familiar with Lindows/Linspire and as far as I know, Freespire continues the tradition. VL Standard (and SOHO, too) has a very different philosophy behind the distro. VL aims for speed, stability, flexibility, and a solid foundation on which to build. Ease of use is important but doesn't override the other goals. Freespire aims for ease of use above all else--Freespire believes Linux should be at least as easy to use as Windows. Freespire is designed to shield users from the inner workings of Linux. A goal is that a user will never need to use a command line. I doubt any VectorLinux user could avoid the command line for long--and I think VL users like it that way.

I don't like contests and shootouts, but I do like straightforward comparisons. What is the installation like? What are possible pros and cons of each type? What are desktop choices? What programs are installed? How does a user install additional software? What basic hardware is needed for good performance? And so forth.

I'm not sure comparisons like this are all that useful to the first-time Linux user, though. I think you need to install a distro and use it for a while to get some sense of what running Linux is like. Are there things you don't like about it? Then look for a distro that does things differently. That's the real difference between Linux and the other major operating systems. Linux gives us abundant choices.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on November 08, 2006, 06:38:32 am
You are right granny geeek. Freespire are doing good job with marketing. It is Debian-based. I would have started out there, but due the community involvement here, one is able to learn fast. What VL does over most other totally gui dependent is teach users how to use both gui and CLI. In time, users realize the great advantage of the CLI over the gui. Others still prefer the gui. This is the thing of choice.

CLI yields alot of power fast to the user and is the closest thing to keeping users aware of linux as compared to gui which could take on many forms.

If I were to start with a distro like Vector, it would have been slightly tough with no linux or simple skills except for just win98 or XP.

Mepis and Xandros were my starting point. These were better to me as they did not totally eliminate the CLI. They gave the user options. And tricked or coerced the user to doing things without knowing how they did it. I still respect those distros greatly.

So in the end, there is nearly such a thing as the best distro; But the answer is a subjective one depending on a users skill level, the community, PC hardware, and preferences in software management, etc. But for some others, the best distro is not existent. This is why they use various distros.

For  select few, the best distro or OS would be the linux kernel itself. As you can build anything on top of it.

Sorry for my ramblings.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: MikeCindi on November 09, 2006, 11:41:52 am
Nicely put GrannyGeek.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: aramis on November 09, 2006, 12:30:23 pm
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Cons: Poor documentation, amateur desktop design ...

There are lots of replies on the amateur desktop design, but don't you guys think that Poor documentation is the biggest thing to worry about?

I don't know exactly what they mean with Poor Documentation, but once you can get to the internet you get all documentation you want.  Ok, some of these could be put on to the CD, but than again you need an internet connection to get the ISO :)

One other thing that is, in my experience, a pro is good support (thanks to everyone btw)

Now what the comparisons and 'best' disto is concerned I agree with the fact that it is and it should be personal taste and what exactly it is you want you pc to do.  My opinion about OSes in general is that it should be rock solid and as long as you don't change a thing it should run and keep on running like it did the first day you installed it.

And Linux Distro that tries to mimic Windows I really pitty them.  Why driving a Rolls Royce that looks like a crappy .... (Fill in the dots yourself, I don't want to get answers like "that's not a crappy car" :) )

What the CLI think is concerned, why running a bloaded GUI if you're running a server where you only have to use the console to change some settings?

I know what you guys are thinking "VL and Freespire aren't server oriented distro's".  True, but you have the daemons to do so, so why not doing it the way it should in text mode
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on November 23, 2006, 06:50:46 pm
And they really liked 5.8 RC3... 8):
http://vectorlinux.webarticles.org/rc3/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: thecdn on December 11, 2006, 05:31:56 pm
Nice write up of 5.8 RC3 at KnoLinux

http://knolinux.com/2006/12/11/vector-linux-58-rc3--slackware-that-works-and-works-well.aspx
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: MikeCindi on December 12, 2006, 12:50:34 am
Agreed...nice review. Anyone wanting to see the install dialog graphics should be pointed to this article. Perhaps a subtle issue with the text-based installer is that it takes less space on the CD so there is more room for the "good" stuff. Also anyone who istalled Windows 3.x or NT will not be intimidated by the limited graphics of a TUI install.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 22, 2006, 03:39:07 pm
http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/21/166220

A very nice review of 5.8, though some things surprise me, like no OOorg on the repo, and no automounting in KDE? Also, he seems to have found Dropline Gnome on this Forum, rather than Freerock?

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: hanimal on December 22, 2006, 07:02:38 pm
Quote
...an attractive OS for those who just want to browse the Web...

??? ???  ???

The reviewer clearly needs to take a second look at VL 5.8.  Vector Linux ships with many tools (such as GCC) that are far beyond "just browsing the web."  Vector Linux ships with these tools by default, along with many other tools for more "hard-core" Linuxers, such as Midnight Commander and Lynx.

Vector Linux does the same things as other distros, but with 1/4 the bloat, 1/2 the work, and 2x the speed!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 22, 2006, 07:16:31 pm
Vector Linux ships with many tools (such as GCC) that are far beyond "just browsing the web."
I was just thinking along those same lines...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on December 23, 2006, 06:18:20 am
Some of the people who have replied to the otherwise quite positive review have been quite snotty about some of the features, like including non-free stuff and "an ugly theme" - Is it just me or are some of the replies from people who have beefs not directed at Vector in particular but certain ideas in general?  It is a shame but in the Linux world some people are relentlessly negative about everyone else other than their own favoured distro.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on December 23, 2006, 07:07:53 am
Some of the people who have replied to the otherwise quite positive review have been quite snotty about some of the features, like including non-free stuff and "an ugly theme" - Is it just me or are some of the replies from people who have beefs not directed at Vector in particular but certain ideas in general?  It is a shame but in the Linux world some people are relentlessly negative about everyone else other than their own favoured distro.

Indeed...probably gNewSense users / Stallmanites....
Setting a new theme is only a few clicks away. Besides, which users of other distros stick to the default theme forever anyway, even if it is appealing?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: MikeCindi on December 23, 2006, 09:00:11 am
It is a shame but in the Linux world some people are relentlessly negative about everyone else other than their own favoured distro.

IMO this is the rate-limiting factor for linux in the desktop market.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: saulgoode on December 23, 2006, 09:26:15 am
Indeed, how incredibly selfish it is of those programmers to give their software away in such a manner! ::)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on December 23, 2006, 01:43:35 pm
Some of the people who have replied to the otherwise quite positive review have been quite snotty about some of the features, like including non-free stuff and "an ugly theme" - Is it just me or are some of the replies from people who have beefs not directed at Vector in particular but certain ideas in general?  It is a shame but in the Linux world some people are relentlessly negative about everyone else other than their own favoured distro.

Indeed...probably gNewSense users / Stallmanites....
Setting a new theme is only a few clicks away. Besides, which users of other distros stick to the default theme forever anyway, even if it is appealing?


In general I agree all the software in an ideal world would be free in free speech, however this is the real world.  Computers are tools, and if you can't use them to the fullest then you will switch to methods that enable you to do so.  Yes we should support efforts to create decent gpl compliant 3d accelerated graphics drivers for all cards etc. but we are not their yet.  For me Vector is well balanced, it gives me the tools to use my computer to the full.  That is as it should be.   I have the freedom to change things I don't like or to remove software that offends my ethics.  And full info is given before you download.

Any way back to Vector 5.8, its great, downloaded a few things, am now migrating to this as my main distro.  Looks great and works well on this machine.  Installed Nvidia drivers and its all working well :-)  This is an Athlon running at 1.3GHz, with 256 MB RAM.  Nothing special and it flies.  Also works well on my lower spec 733MHz Compaq with an intel onboard shared graphics and 128 MB RAM.... though can't get 3d acceleration running on that (but only old versions of Mandarke ever managed that).

Again congratulations to all concerned, another very usable distro.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on December 27, 2006, 07:42:02 pm
VL 5.8 standard was announced at desktoplinux.com today. See the announcement here: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3173867971.html

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on January 05, 2007, 02:38:57 pm
TechieMoe at LinuxForums is a long time linux user, and has taken up the hobby of every now and then reviewing (maybe more like ranting) about a distro, from the common user's perspective: "Does is install easily?"; "Can I play my music and watch videos?"; "Whats its overall performace?"; "What extras are included (eg: dev tools, and kernel-src)?"; "Will it just work out-of-the-box?".
Then the rating is in penguins. VL 5.8 got 4,5/5 penguins  ;)

http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/vectorstd58.htm

this is pretty good, because most distros will lose points simply if lots manual configuration has to be done, or if they rely to heavily on the internet to get things going (eg: Ubunto), and normaly don't ever go over 3 or 4 penguins maximum.  :)

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: The Headacher on January 05, 2007, 03:05:55 pm
Quote
the rating is in penguins. VL 5.8 got 4,5/5 penguins

More precisely, we got 3,5 out of 4 penguins. Which is slightly less.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on January 05, 2007, 03:10:00 pm
Quote
the rating is in penguins. VL 5.8 got 4,5/5 penguins

More precisely, we got 3,5 out of 4 penguins. Which is slightly less.

Yeah...well, still only 0.5 from the top.
Not many get that much.  ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: MikeCindi on January 05, 2007, 11:11:08 pm
TechieMoe is only reporting what the VL community at large already knew. Hopefully a lot of people will read the review and come to VL. If they do they probably won't go elsewhere after that.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 06, 2007, 01:04:53 am
A very positive, albeit unbiased review of VL 5.8 Standard, by Caitlyn Martin:
http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/01/new_releasecool_canadian_distr.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on January 06, 2007, 01:21:43 am
An interesting review, always good to see with a fresh pair of eyes.  Of course the points that we need to address will need more testers and more developers - as ever.  But it is encouraging and for the most part very positive.  It is also good to see a review that deals with "technical" issues rather than fluf like desktop colours etc...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 06, 2007, 01:24:37 am
It is also good to see a review that deals with "technical" issues rather than fluf like desktop colours etc...
Yes, exactly the point I made at the start of my comment to the article. Nothing like "I hate the icon theme" or "the desktop colour is too blue"...  >:(
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Freeman on January 06, 2007, 06:44:32 am
A summation of the things I've read in her review, that needed some more work to be 'The Best Distro Out There'  ;)

Here we go:

The installer
- Needs more to be configured by install (languages: spellchecking & systemlanguage, ... )
- XFS can only be installed on the ROOT partition
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Strangely the installer only supports xfs on the root partition, not anywhere else.- Basic sanity checking
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If you try to install your root filesystem into a partition that’s too small the installer will merrily go ahead until it fills the available space and then it starts spitting out errors, eventually crashing. The amount of space the installer claims it needs (about 1.6MB for a base install with X) is actually inadequate. The real number, which is correctly stated in the documentation, is 1.8MB.- Only ext2 & ext3 are supported by Lilo (maybe GRUB as there is much request for).
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Vector Linux still uses lilo and only lilo for the bootloader. Poor old lilo can only read ext2 and ext3 partitions. So, if you format your root partition with reiserfs or xfs and try to install lilo on your MBR it will fail.
I've noticed no problems with Reiserfs and Lilo..  ???
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 06, 2007, 08:46:14 am
There are no issues with lilo and reiserfs, I've been using this combination since VL 4.0, IIRC. I've also tested lilo with xfs in 5.8 in a couple of installs, no problem at all.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on January 06, 2007, 11:38:40 am
Thanks to everyone for the kind words about my review.  Installation of lilo with xfs as the root partition did fail on both machines where I tried it with 5.8.  (I do test things for a few weeks before opening my big mouth :)  I haven't tried reiserfs.  I will and will amend the review accordingly.  Carla will also have to update her Linux Cookbook :)

Joel, I did respond to you on the O'Reilly site.  The issue of internationalization (more language support) can be fixed with packages in the repository and options in vasm and the installer.  Localization requires additional translation files for Xfce4 and a GUI tool for language selection (could be part of vasm).  Selection of language at login could be achieved by moving to either a full version of kdm or else gdm.  gdm is a bit less resource intensive,  Please note that Vector, like any distro, can be internationalized or localized by any experienced user.  The point is to make it easy for newcomers.

If you want packages made for Hebrew fonts, aspell-he and hspell, xfrun to allow the Hebrew Gnome applets (hspell and hdate) to work in Xfce4, hdate-applet, hocr, and yudit I will be glad to volunteer to do it as I have time.  I'd also be willing to package aspell-fr.  Hebrew and French are the two other languages I can manage.  (OK, Yiddish too, but demand for that is probably near zero.)

I haven't looked at the installer code so I don't know which itty bitty shell you have up during the installer (if any), but if df is supported it shouldn't be hard to parse the output to check free disk space.  I don't know what to suggest about X hardware detection.  All I can say if that every other distro I've tried gets my laptops right on the first go and Vector doesn't.  (I haven't tried Slackware 11, BTW.)

Do people really write reviews complaining about icons and desktop colors?  Those things are always customizable.  Good grief!

Anyway, yes, y'all did a really nice job with 5.8.  I've run every version since 1.8 and even plunked down a few shekels to support development on a couple of occasions (VL 2.5 and 3.2, I think.)  Finances are tight right now or I'd have an order in for 5.8 Deluxe.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on January 06, 2007, 11:47:46 am
Caitlyn,

Speaking for the devs, thanks very much for the constructive feedback. :-) Since the 5.8 standard base will be used for cooking up our 5.8 SOHO (we plan to have the first beta sometime in the next two weeks), we want to try to fix some of the things you mentioned in your post. It may be a stretch to add internationalization in the installer right away; however, one of our devs is at work on a new VASM that will support internationalization better than we do right now.

And yes, I didn't forget about the Hebrew support for KDE... we'll gladly take any packages for Hebrew fonts, huspell, etc., you want to make. ;-) Once you have something ready, send me a private message via the forum, and I'll get you the information you need for accessing our upload space.

Shalom,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 06, 2007, 12:15:41 pm
Joel, I did respond to you on the O'Reilly site.
Thank you, I just replied to your replies... ;)

I don't know what to suggest about X hardware detection.  All I can say if that every other distro I've tried gets my laptops right on the first go and Vector doesn't.  (I haven't tried Slackware 11, BTW.)
We'll need to work on that then. However, I've been lucky with X autoconfig. I normally choose the last resolution option on the installer, which says something like X will figure it out. It has correctly set up a Toshiba widescreen with 1280 x 800 Intel 900G and an HP with 1440 x 900 RADEON X600 (no DRI of course, needed the ATI drivers for that).

Do people really write reviews complaining about icons and desktop colors?  Those things are always customizable.  Good grief!
Oh, they sure do... ::)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on January 06, 2007, 01:35:28 pm
I've updated the review text to more accurately describe the situation with lilo.  In other words I've confirmed that lilo is supposed to support both reiserfs and xfs.  I did have a problem installing lilo to the mbr when I had xfs as my root partition and I described that rather than a general lilo issue. 

I still think adding grub as a bootloader option is a good idea.  It is far more flexible and more robust than lilo.  Even mini distros like Damn Small Linux give a choice of grub or lilo.  Just my .02...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 04, 2007, 05:33:27 am
Vector 5.8 is on cover DVD of the latest issue of Linux Magazine in the UK.  Not much of a write up:
" Vector Linux 5.8 - Another Slackware-based Linux with good hardware detection and easy package management".

Its in a round up of smaller distros, 11 in all on the DVD.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: saulgoode on February 24, 2007, 12:35:51 pm
Helios, over at Lobby4Linux, has made some brief but ever so flattering comments about Vector in his weblog entry (http://blog.lobby4linux.com/archives/2007/02.html).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on February 26, 2007, 09:12:53 am
VL 5.8 was mentioned in a reply to a blog posting on freesoftwaremagazine.com. Specifically, look for the reply from "anonymous coward" in this post: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/not_vista

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on February 27, 2007, 07:47:36 am
VL soho is in distrowatch weekly this week!!
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070226

Quote
I admit I was a bit disappointed to find X.Org and GCC lagging a bit behind the curve.
Quote
....The only blame I can assign to VectorLinux here is in using an old version of X.Org. They should probably upgrade to at least 7.0, and I'd like to see 7.1 myself.
  ::)

Quote
My only real complaint is with the old X.Org version. Otherwise, I found this beta quite pleasing and I look forward to the final release.
She said it a couple of times,she must really mean it.

the review is very lenghty and possitive.I hope it gets new users..
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: helios on February 27, 2007, 05:32:01 pm
Well...Looks like you boys (and girls Cait...) are moving uptown as it were.  LOL.  If anyone deserves it, the developers and loyal users of VectorLinux do.  Listen, Susan may or may not have responded to my blog via her review, but let me tell you...srlinuxx is not ALL sweetness and light.  If your distro blows, she will puree the sucker with her review.  I think she is one of the most thorough reviewers if not THE most thorough reviewer in the bid'ness.  She meant every word she said in praise.  And btw...I have an older Acer Laptop that gave me hauntingly similar problems.

Tens of thousands of people read her stuff because they have come to trust her over the years. so watch your download stats and forum memberships grow.  And oh...yes...Susan was Brutally serious about the Xorg update...

trust me

helios

Shout out to my main man Masta...whatup Artiste Extrordinaire?

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on February 27, 2007, 06:13:06 pm
Helios,

As one of the dev team, I want to thank you for your feedback about Susan's review. From discussions that Vector and the other devs have had, we're planning on forking some more from Papa Slack for VL 6.0. Among the moves we want to make are to move to gcc-4.x and to xorg 7.2 (or whatever version will be the latest stable at the time that we are in active development of VL 6).

One of the things that has held us back from gcc-4.x was the fact that too many things wouldn't build under it without patching source code. However, I think that enough of the major stuff compiles cleanly with gcc-4.x, so that shouldn't be an issue.

FWIW,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on February 28, 2007, 02:46:49 am
Helios,

As one of the dev team, I want to thank you for your feedback about Susan's review. From discussions that Vector and the other devs have had, we're planning on forking some more from Papa Slack for VL 6.0. Among the moves we want to make are to move to gcc-4.x and to xorg 7.2 (or whatever version will be the latest stable at the time that we are in active development of VL 6).

One of the things that has held us back from gcc-4.x was the fact that too many things wouldn't build under it without patching source code. However, I think that enough of the major stuff compiles cleanly with gcc-4.x, so that shouldn't be an issue.

FWIW,
John
John, the latest stable version of xorg is the one that most distros are using at the moment.
I suggest you move to 7.1, as 7.2 is in a testing process (in some distros' snapshot version), but i alsp think 7.2 is a better suggestion, altho it may need some more work on it. I always think that the latest version is the most stable one,because it has more fixed bugs.

Better move on to 7.2, at the time vec 6 is out, 7.2 will be proven stable enough.
We already have xourg 7.1 and 7.2 packages for vector (built by lahrzu from tukaani)
http://m0e.lnx.googlepages.com/411
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on February 28, 2007, 09:27:14 am
---snip---
John, the latest stable version of xorg is the one that most distros are using at the moment.
I suggest you move to 7.1, as 7.2 is in a testing process (in some distros' snapshot version), but i alsp think 7.2 is a better suggestion, altho it may need some more work on it. I always think that the latest version is the most stable one,because it has more fixed bugs.

Better move on to 7.2, at the time vec 6 is out, 7.2 will be proven stable enough.
We already have xourg 7.1 and 7.2 packages for vector (built by lahrzu from tukaani)
http://m0e.lnx.googlepages.com/411

I'm aware of most distros using xorg 7.1. However, it's too late in the SOHO 5.8 development cycle to change to xorg 7.1. I'm certain that with VL 6, we will fork some more from Slackware, as mentioned in my reply to Helios.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: shahgols on March 03, 2007, 12:46:57 pm
The thought of VL 6 makes my heart beat faster. 

She also suggested this:  "I would suggest that the developers reverse this situation by making VLC and Xine available as extras and using MPlayer by default."

Not sure what your thoughts are on this. 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on March 03, 2007, 02:06:50 pm
The idea of standardizing on mplayer and having xine and vlc as add-ons needs to be discussed among the community. I'm going to start a new thread in the Distro Development forum to address this issue. Post any replies regarding xine, mplayer and vlc there.

Thanks,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: The Headacher on March 04, 2007, 04:47:55 am
VL 5.8 is mentioned in the latest article from our friend Caitlyn:
http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/03/where_open_source_developers_s.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Where+Open+Source+Developers+Shine
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on March 05, 2007, 12:21:42 pm
xorg 6.9 instead of xorg 7.1 is the only thing I see holding vector linux back in comparison to zenwalk. The kernel is already advanced, but without xorg 7.1 or 7.2, Beryl is unattainable in VL.
Sad because, I believe Vector has some of the best Linux support in comparison to the rest with the smaller amount of devs. The product is always great. I am waiting for that xorg overhaul.

Keep up the great work. I am still waiting.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: OU812 on March 05, 2007, 05:26:40 pm
VL linux is mentioned in the latest Linux Pro Magazine. It features a dvd with the 8 best small distros. I am at work otherwise I would provide more details.

john
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on March 05, 2007, 10:14:47 pm
Our peerless leader was interviewed:
http://www.packtpub.com/article/making-a-complete-yet-small-linux-distribution
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 15, 2007, 06:43:29 am
Vector mentioned on latest The Linux Link Tech Show as a slim Linux distribution for older computers. Episode 183 about 1 hour 25 minutes into podcast.

The Linux Link Tech Show
http://tllts.org/

The Linux Link Tech Show MP3 Feed
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheLinuxLinkTechShowMp3Feed
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wcs on March 15, 2007, 10:29:22 am
Mentioned here, though I'm not sure if it is good or bad...

http://blog.lobby4linux.com/archives/107-Your-Distros-Slow-March-Into-Irrelevance.html (http://blog.lobby4linux.com/archives/107-Your-Distros-Slow-March-Into-Irrelevance.html)

Started a topic to discuss it:

http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2368.0 (http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2368.0)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on March 15, 2007, 02:57:54 pm
Another mention over at www.oreillynet.com:
http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/03/post_3.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Giving+Back

I'd like to add here my thanks to Caitlyn for her fine efforts in the packaging department.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on March 17, 2007, 01:28:00 pm
Thank you, Joe.  As I pointed out in the article this is software I'd have built from source anyway.  I am working on a bunch more packages, BTW, with a focus on improving internationalization and localization.

-Caitlyn
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 19, 2007, 09:54:07 am
Vector Linux mentioned several times in Reader Comments to DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 194 March 19, 2007, on subject of "geeky vs easy" distros. My count: two positives, one negative, one hopeful.

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070319&mode=25
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on March 19, 2007, 10:21:54 am
Vector Linux mentioned 3 times in Reader Comments to DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 194 March 19, 2007, on subject of "geeky vs easy" distros. One positive, one negative, one hopeful.

Most of the negative comments that I've seen about VL are things like:

"VectorLinux suX0rz dudez!"

"Any particular reason?"

"...[no reply]..."

 ::)

So they really don't count...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on March 23, 2007, 04:07:14 am
Vector Linux Beryl edition got mentioned here http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Vector_Linux

I think they'll come up with a wiki for it there too.

Nice ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on April 08, 2007, 11:14:09 pm
Vector Linux mentioned 3 times in Reader Comments to DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 194 March 19, 2007, on subject of "geeky vs easy" distros. One positive, one negative, one hopeful.

Most of the negative comments that I've seen about VL are things like:

"VectorLinux suX0rz dudez!"

"Any particular reason?"

"...[no reply]..."

 ::)

So they really don't count...

Sounds like what happens when you hit up a Microsoft apologist with the Halloween Documents.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on April 09, 2007, 04:01:40 am
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Sounds like what happens when you hit up a Microsoft apologist with the Halloween Documents.

Hehe, indeed!  :D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on April 10, 2007, 11:54:46 am
we got a bogie at the top of the DistroWatch list re VL 5.8 SOHO RC2.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on April 25, 2007, 10:17:51 am
Here is a rather affectionate review by Don Parris of LXer.com, posted April 25, 2007:

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/86093/index.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on April 25, 2007, 12:50:47 pm
Indeed, it is a nicely literate review!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on April 25, 2007, 02:09:51 pm
I agree with Joe, that was nice.

From the review:
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My first computer used the AT-style keyboard and a serial port for the mouse.

Wow!, my first one was a Sinclair (some clone of the CZ Spectrum, an ooooold 8-bit computer with some kind of BASIC based shell) with no mouse at all, you need to plug it to the TV, 16k of ram and a 3.5Mhz cpu. I dont miss the 80s at all   :D.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on April 25, 2007, 09:22:28 pm
I don't know when he wrote the article, but OOo is in our repositories. It rubbed me the wrong way when he said, "While Abiword and Gnumeric are capable, you'll want the SOHO edition if you need OpenOffice.org." I've had OOo on 5.8 Standard since the beta days. Before we had it in the repositories, I probably got it from linuxpackages.net. I'd hope that someone reviewing a Slackware-based distro would be aware of that site, as well as slacky.it.

And of course, I said "Oh no, not again" when I read this: "I installed Vector Linux on an ancient HP vectra, a PII-450MHz box with 192MB RAM." Just once, I'd like to see a review of VL installed on a screaming new machine. We need to get out of the geriatric computers ghetto.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on April 27, 2007, 06:30:17 am
VL is mentioned on this page with a significant typo:

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7386380154.html

"700GB" is an awful big footprint.

Isn't SJVN confusing size of downloaded .ISO with footprint (after installation)? What is the footprint of a VL 5.8 Std installation?

EDIT: Steven meant 700MB, not 700GB (typo).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: MikeCindi on April 27, 2007, 10:08:38 am
My understanding of "footprint" is the amount of memory (virtual and physical) a program takes when loaded. Thus to apply that term to a complete OS is perhaps not appropriate...but trying to follow the "train of thought" I suspect that would a reference to the amount of disk space that the OS takes when installed. For VL 5.8 Std. Gold it's around 2.5-2.8 Gb for a full install IIRC. For the current VL 5.8 SOHO RC3 it's a bit more than 3Gb on my machine. Obviously one can add or remove packages which will be an influence on the final amount.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: helios on April 27, 2007, 01:45:19 pm
While it wasn't a full review by any means, I did get the chance to mention Vector as one of 4 brilliant distros that don't get the attention they deserve.  I only had so many words in the interview so I had to keep them down.  Those of you who know me might realize what a struggle that was.  At any rate, I did mention you but only because it's true.  Excerpt here, link follows:

OSWeekly.com: Was it a tough call to "sponsor" all distributions in a blanket effort instead of choosing the most popular options?

Ken Starks: No, not at all. In fact, I could not see it being done in any other way.  I've "worn" this Advocate hat for almost three years, and if there is one thing I have learned, it's that some of the most stunning innovation is being done inside the smaller distribution communities.  Take projects, such as Vector Linux, Elive, Nimblex and Sidux.  All of these distributions have done some fairly amazing things to enhance their particular environment.  While all of them are impressive, I would point in particular to Elive.  The Enlightenment desktop isn't well known, but with the things this wizard has done to presentation, it takes both Elive and Enlightenment to an entirely higher level. No, this has to be inclusive of all efforts here.  To do anything else would not serve the community as a whole.


Like I said, it was only a blurb, but with a slashdot audience, it can't do anything but help.  Besides, I did not want the next question to be "What distro do you personally run"?  Answering "Vector" and "Mepis" would have been a bit clumsy.

http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=&task=view&id=2541
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on April 30, 2007, 05:00:43 am
From this week's DistroWatch Weekly:

Quote
Distribution usage based on browser statistics

Last week, a reader emailed us this question: "Have you ever thought of the idea to analyse the HTTP headers the browser sends and use that to generate statistics of what people are using? That would IMHO be a much more interesting statistic." The simple answer is "yes". In fact this data is already available courtesy of the Awstats traffic analyser and can be accessed here.

The question has prompted us to extend the Awstats program to include other distributions that were not originally tracked by Awstats, at least those that provide a custom browser string which enables their identification; these include BLAG, Elive, Gentoo Linux, KateOS, Kubuntu, Linspire, MEPIS Linux, Linux Mint, Pardus Linux, PCLinuxOS and Vine Linux. These distributions were only added to the list on 29 April (before that, they were classified as "unknown/unspecified"), so the statistics for April are not accurate, but starting from next month, the page should give more complete data about the usage of the various distributions by the visitors of DistroWatch. However, web browsers of many other distributions, including those in Slackware, KNOPPIX, SabayonLinux, VectorLinux, Puppy Linux and Zenwalk, don't identify themselves in any distinct way, so we won't be able to count those.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on May 18, 2007, 07:12:41 am
LXer has an article about the VL-Madtux alliance:

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/87178/index.html

Quote
Technical support for the LMG will be offered directly by the world-renowned technical experts who developed Vector Linux
  ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on May 18, 2007, 07:24:38 am
easuter:

That page at LXer does not render well in IE6 or Firefox 2.0.0.3, that is, the final letters in the right margin are cut off, words truncated. The article is hard to read. LXer should be apprised.

HP Presario 2108US laptop, 15-inch screen, ATI Mobility Radeon
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on May 18, 2007, 07:30:37 am
Quote from: nubcnubdo
easuter:

That page at LXer does not render well in IE6 or Firefox 2.0.0.3, that is, the final letters in the right margin are cut off, words truncated.

No render issues here. Works fine on Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Opera too (for me at least).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Colonel Panic on May 18, 2007, 10:54:49 am
A British computer weekly called Micro Mart has featured Vector 5.8 as one of the new distributions they're analysing (along with Xubuntu and others I believe);

http://www.micromart.co.uk/default.aspx

I'm referring to the paper copy, which I don't have as yet and from which articles sometimes (but not always) appear online, so we'll see.
Title: A thread that might be worth following
Post by: helios on May 18, 2007, 05:29:35 pm
http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/25298/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 18, 2007, 09:24:11 pm
The page looks fine here in Opera and Firefox 2.0.0.3 on two different computers.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on May 21, 2007, 01:44:45 pm
Theres a new review of SOHO-5.8 at linux.com.......................... ;D
http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/07/05/16/1816255.shtml?tid=127

cheers,
vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on May 22, 2007, 01:29:21 am
And then loads of negative comments from people who responded to the review... slackware dumbed down etc....
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: flor on May 22, 2007, 02:07:41 am
http://osnews.com/story.php/17953/VectorLinux-SOHO-a-Better-Slackware-Than-Slackware/ (http://osnews.com/story.php/17953/VectorLinux-SOHO-a-Better-Slackware-Than-Slackware/)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on May 22, 2007, 07:51:20 am
And then loads of negative comments from people who responded to the review... slackware dumbed down etc....

The comments on the OSNews page are mostly positive:

http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=17953

The guy called "garymax" seems to be posting canned copy/paste messages... ::)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on May 22, 2007, 02:10:45 pm
And then loads of negative comments from people who responded to the review... slackware dumbed down etc....

I think the poster was really trying to say "eased-up"
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: incognu on May 22, 2007, 08:49:16 pm
I have to disagree with the comment someone made (http://distrocenter.linux.com/distrocenter/07/05/16/1816255.shtml?tid=127) about VL being dumbed-down, especially the comment that it's dumbed-down by "paring down of features"

I usually dislike anything of that sort;  I felt that a few distros I've looked at were like that and they turned me off.

I don't find anything really missing in VL, nor any choices/features missing.  VL has, imo, done an excellent job of being both easy to install and run while at the same time allowing those who want to, to get under the hood and tinker.  It seems accessible to both types of user.

I haven't run Slackware (yet), so I admit I could be missing something here.  I used Debian 3.1 for quite some time, though, and while I think VL is easier and quicker for the average user to set up than Debian Sarge was, I don't find it "dumbed-down" (restrictively lacking in features, treating the user like an idiot, keeping choices and configuration options from the user) compared to Debian.  If I did, I wouldn't be here now.

Just my 2¢, as they say, because "improving" things by dumbing them down is a pet peeve of mine.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on May 23, 2007, 01:02:16 pm
I haven't run Slackware (yet), so I admit I could be missing something here.  I used Debian 3.1 for quite some time, though, and while I think VL is easier and quicker for the average user to set up than Debian Sarge was, I don't find it "dumbed-down" (restrictively lacking in features, treating the user like an idiot, keeping choices and configuration options from the user) compared to Debian.  If I did, I wouldn't be here now.

I used Slackware before I used Vector.

It's true that it forces you to learn a little more about Linux to use proficiently, but you tend to end up with a lot of jerry-built crap when you don't have things like vl-hot.

automount dæmon, spare me...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on May 24, 2007, 09:20:24 pm
I defended VL on 3 threads. One was not very nice.
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Triarius Fidelis on May 25, 2007, 03:07:07 pm
I defended VL on 3 threads. One was not very nice.
Darrell

Yes indeed.

I have an idea for an RPG about Internet forua like zdnet and digg. It's called 'Tards & Trolls 1st Edition.

What "missing ingredients" is garymax talking about anyway? Our functionality is a superset.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on May 25, 2007, 04:01:24 pm
Remember when I said I wanted to protec the current forum from Mr. Ugly Dick. well here he is big as life itself.  He is just the beginning. As we muscle our way out of the BOX everyone expects us to be in. Others will try to stuff us back into it. The latgerst mistake we can make is to take away from our current efforts to concentrate on him or them. I learned a long time ago that some folks just want attention no matter if it is negative or positive. So forget about it for now anyway. We have lots to do.
regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on May 25, 2007, 11:17:18 pm
BTW, I got a "caution", and "Chill Dude", on one forum and I am having trouble signing in on another, weird worked fine at first..LOL I am a tiny bit concerned as I spoke for VL and all of us and maybe should not have...anyway. If you are concerned let me know we can talk about it.
Didn't let them get away with anything, another of our clan was there as well and did a fine job defending VL. Thanks.
Well back to work. see you in the lounge.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on May 26, 2007, 05:45:24 pm
A couple of things to keep in mind:

*  It's not that important. Not that many people read these things. I doubt anyone seriously thinking of trying Linux, or VectorLinux, would be put off by rantings. And if they would be put off, who needs them?<g>

*  Don't get emotional about it. Stick to facts and reasonable opinion. Reasonable people can disagree, but reasonable people disagree reasonably. Sounding like a fanboy may get the attention of other fanboys, but people like me think "What Jerks!" about all of them.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on May 26, 2007, 08:43:31 pm
Amen GrannyGeek Amen
You'all have a good Memorial Day weekend. Support your troops.
I do. As in support Canadians in Afghanistan.
Thanks for everything, really appreciate it all. Shine on VL. shine on...
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on May 27, 2007, 02:06:48 am
Quote
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=17953

 garymax to me is a angry slackware fanboy,who predictably got offended by the review's title. His views cant go farther than his nose,since he never probably tried vector.
As for source code,people can get picky about that. If vector starts to offer payed support to Premium users only and had a locked forum for premiums only,that would make it look the more closed,thus givin people like garymax things to pick at. From what i've seen, vec's "dumbed down" tools that make it so good and accessable for people who dont like spending their whole day looking for a way to edit a single text file to get things running smoothly, are all GPL and have their source code avaiable at google.code ...

I think that comments like his should be ignored. ::)
Dumbed-down should be a compliment, it brings vector to Ubuntu users,to the mainstream user... and it still has all the slackware goodnes in it. Its truer to slackware than any "dumbed down slack based" distro out there...and tuned up better than ,say, zenwalk or kateos.. ;)

...and i too can copy and paste,everybody can do that  ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on May 29, 2007, 06:33:12 am
good comment. I really love the idea of a vector livecd. I always have. And I still find Vector easier to install than zenwalk, my second other favorite slack-based distro..

Vector would win over again for me once xorg 6.9 gets updated to xorg 7.1 or more... I still try out every new release except this one. I am itching to get this installed. I still find Vector one of the fastest distros I've used ever..

Great job with this last release. Still waiting for that xorg upgrade... The product is still as polished as ever..

Ubuntu Feisty and PCLOS are incredible distros right now... the bloat is less on those systems unlike before. Speed is nearly there as well. Slack is still slightly faster, but on newer systems, speed gain is hardly noticeable...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on May 30, 2007, 03:59:21 am
Caitlyn Martin's blog at O'Reilly Linux DevCenter

"GNOME 2.18 for Vector Linux 5.8"
http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/05/gnome_218_for_vector_linux_58.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=GNOME+2+18+for+Vector+Linux+5+8

grammatical: The auxiliary verb "have" in the first sentence does not agree in number with the subject of the sentence. Should be "has", to agree with "set".
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on June 04, 2007, 04:13:22 am
DistroWatch has awarded Vector with their May 2007 donation:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070604#donation

Congratulations!!!  :) :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: LLL on June 04, 2007, 05:11:24 am
Indeed! :)

Well done, and thanks to DW.com and partners!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on June 04, 2007, 09:39:58 am
And may I say VectorLinux richly deserves this! Thanks, DistroWatch.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on June 04, 2007, 12:36:12 pm
Indeed congratulations to all involved :-)  good to get the recognition.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on June 05, 2007, 10:53:13 am
Thanks to DW and congratulations to the VL team! Is nice to see that the great work of our devs is recognized.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: never_stop_learning on June 05, 2007, 04:35:18 pm
Congratulations to the Vector Team and Community on this well deserved recognition!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on June 07, 2007, 12:45:10 pm
I'm a little late on getting to the forum to reply on the DW donations, but a "thanks distrowatch.com and LinuxCD.org and OSDisc.com" is better late than never.  :D

And for everyone else, don't forget that you too can donate to VL at any time, and with any amount. It's very simple to do. All you need to do is go to http://vectorlinux.com/ and look on the left for the Donations , and then click on the Donate button.  8)

Alternatively , you may also go to http://supergamer.org/ and click the donations button there on the Home page. It brings you right to the same place as the above mentioned button too... now how cool is THAT!?   8)

Now go donate, you know you want to   :P
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on June 07, 2007, 11:16:12 pm
Here's a review of PCLinuxOS 2007 that takes Texstar and the Ripper Gang to task over their slogan "radically simple". Watch for a few mentions of VL in reader comments.

On the Bench: PCLinuxOS 2007, radically simple?
http://opensourcelearning.info/blog/?p=359

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: blurymind on June 10, 2007, 07:35:20 am
pclinuxos has a monthly magazine...which is pretty interesting to follow. Maybe we should try to make something like this one day. It looks like fun.Now if only there was someone to write about whats new at vector comunity and the linux world every month....
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on June 11, 2007, 05:26:37 pm
I count about 10 mostly favorable mentions of VL in this Monday's DistroWatch Weekly "Reader comments", on the subject of "Distro hopping". Check it out:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070611#comments
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on June 25, 2007, 10:22:05 pm
The bad news first... :(

A couple of mentions on the latest DistroWatch Weekly saying our Forum totally sucks... :o
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070625&mode=9


And now for the good news... ;D

A new review of 5.8 SOHO, IMHO very objective as usual, from Caitlyn:
http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/06/kde_built_for_speed_vector_lin.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wcs on June 26, 2007, 02:37:45 am
Just got Linux Format (UK) in the post and there is a mention and a review in it.
In the "Newsdesk" section there are a few lines announcing the partnership with Mad Tux and a mention of computers on sale there.

More interestingly, on their Distrowatch section, there is a full page (well, almost) dedicated to the new 5.8 SOHO.
Because it isn't in their website yet, I'll give you the main things:

It comes with the title "Go faster!" and the subtitle "Slackware-based OS: prettier, more usable and packed with even more performance". In bold, you'll also find the quote "A beautiful, polished distro distribution, capable of competing with the best." And the conclusion, you ask? "It is fast, has a great software selection, includes several graphical administration tools, and provides good online documentation". It is a VERY favourable review (the only somehow negative point was "Vasm certainly isn't as comprehensive and good-looking as Mandriva's DrakXTools or Open-Suse's Yast, but it does help with configuring settings").

This is great, as I believe this is the top-selling Linux magazine in the UK (it would be fantastic if we could get VL 6 included in their coverdisc).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on June 26, 2007, 07:49:30 am
I posted a challenge to post # 55 at Distro Watch to take me on with their comment. I will personally Handel this one, if they respond.
regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on June 26, 2007, 08:05:25 am
I think you missed #58... ::)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on June 26, 2007, 03:36:09 pm
WE have had a few mentions there over the years. I suppose ASK and you will/willnot receive. I will email the editor about VL 6 as a featured OS and see what reply we get. Any suggestions further than that please let me know. Keep on Keeping on.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on June 26, 2007, 08:04:56 pm
wcs,

I've seen Linuxformat here in the US, and I agree with you - it's a top-notch magazine, better than the Linux mags put out here in the States, but that's just my $0.02 worth.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on June 26, 2007, 09:33:09 pm
This is from Reno, the home of the SQI and Computers for Kids program.
 I called David today and Thanked him on behalf of the entire VL communty for his good work and dedication.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fellow Lions,
Please review the attached emails.

This morning, the Reno Cigar Lions provided computers (loaded with Vector 5.8 Standard Gold Linux) to the Red Cross Evacuation Center for evacuees from the Angora Fire at South Lake Tahoe (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fire27jun27,0,1072673.story?coll=la-home-local) to access email and the Internet. Charter Communications provided Cable TV and Internet access plus personel to install everything at the evacuation center.

Charter Communications donates equipment to the Lions Computers for Kids project and has donated Cable Internet service for C4K 'Kids Cyber Cafes' at area non-profits.

Please direct questions to me.

Thank You,

David Dehls
RCL Branch Club Coordinator
775.843.8220
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: EyesOnly on June 27, 2007, 05:25:59 pm
Caitlyn Martin of "O'Reilly Network" just did what I thought was a pretty good review on our VL-SOHO 5.8. I didn't get the chance to read the one she did on our Standard as I'm rather pressed for time tonight. But I thought I'd post it here if anyone was interested? This link came by way of the "Recent Reviews" section of DistroWatch, middle-lefthand column:

http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/06/kde_built_for_speed_vector_lin.html

Enjoy folks!

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on June 28, 2007, 10:43:27 am
Quote
I will personally Handel this one, if they respond.

Good choice, Darrell.  I've found that Handel's music is wonderful for soothing frayed nerves and calming things down.  "Water Music" is an especially good choice..

Oh, wait a minute...  you meant "handle", didn't you?   ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on June 28, 2007, 11:14:42 am
Right now I remind myself of the Lion character in the Wizard of OZ.
"Let me at 'em, I'll rip 'em to shreds, I'll tear 'em from limb to limb, let me at 'em, let me at 'em.. GGRRrrrr....
Unfortunately I will not get the chance. Probably a good thing anyway!!
Actually lavender and hot water works.LOL... deep breaths , relax, breathe, there ya go relax....
Good one Cait
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on June 30, 2007, 02:46:10 am
Just got Linux Format (UK) in the post and there is a mention and a review in it.
In the "Newsdesk" section there are a few lines announcing the partnership with Mad Tux and a mention of computers on sale there.

More interestingly, on their Distrowatch section, there is a full page (well, almost) dedicated to the new 5.8 SOHO.
Because it isn't in their website yet, I'll give you the main things:

Snip


It was a good to see the review, as said it is the UK's best selling Linux magazine.  Will be even better when the the non linux computer magazines carry a review and a copy of Vector on their cover discs.  Slowly the non Linux magazines are starting to show an interest and cover discs with versions of Linux (usually an Ubuntu derivative).  Long may this continue :-)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on July 01, 2007, 07:48:27 pm
This may be a useful resource. Check it out.
http://wikiwikiweb.de/LugsList (http://wikiwikiweb.de/LugsList)
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on July 02, 2007, 11:07:23 am
Here is another good stat site osnv.org (http://osnv.org). Click on Apps for the digital Commons. You will see a revolving display under the project. Example for Open Office there are 5.3 million lines of code. If it was paid for it would be $87.5 million $ USD. And 152 active developers.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: seppom on July 09, 2007, 09:35:37 am
to me and my ancient pc, Vector Linux Is perfect OS. yes i have tried over 50 different distros, but allways get back installing Vector.

so thanks you developers and you all at help forums .

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on July 17, 2007, 02:14:20 pm
How come VL Standard isn't listed on this page at Xfce.org?

http://www.xfce.org/download/distros
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: incognu on July 27, 2007, 02:12:18 pm
Caitlyn has a nice article about the new 2.6.21 CK2 kernel package here: Linux Kernel Performance Improvements (http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/07/linux_kernel_performance_impro.html)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on July 27, 2007, 09:22:30 pm
Here's a positive, upbeat review of VL 5.8 SOHO, linked from tuxmachines.org:

http://shiftbackspace.com/2007/07/27/vector-linux-58-soho-a-review/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on July 28, 2007, 06:28:17 am
Here's another one I don't think has been mentioned here, I found it linked from the previous post's review:
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=278
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on July 30, 2007, 04:58:22 pm
And now they did SOHO too:
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=279&pid=1

Weird thing is, they found that it lagged periodically. That's pretty different than what we've experienced and read on this Forum. Also very different from the comments from that last review mentioned by nubcnubdo. For example:
Quote
...the Vector Linux boot time was unusual — usually I turn the PC on and walk away to do something else and then come back when it’s booted. Walk away from Vector Linux and you’ll be wasting time.
Quote
Fair review, but doesnt stress just how ridiculously fast this distro is.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on July 30, 2007, 05:53:47 pm
And now they did SOHO too:
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=279&pid=1

Weird thing is, they found that it lagged periodically. That's pretty different than what we've experienced and read on this Forum. Also very different from the comments from that last review mentioned by nubcnubdo.


I bet is a weird device giving problems to the udev daemon, I got that once with a winmodem. I am not a kde lover, but soho is making to change my mind  ;D, and we have some experienced kde at the forum, and they say is the best kde around... So I think this is just a weird case.

Quote
For example:
Quote
...the Vector Linux boot time was unusual — usually I turn the PC on and walk away to do something else and then come back when it’s booted. Walk away from Vector Linux and you’ll be wasting time.
Quote
Fair review, but doesnt stress just how ridiculously fast this distro is.

he, that last guy is talkin about a vl instal in a PII 300! How good is that!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on August 02, 2007, 11:23:26 pm
Here is an article by caitlyn about VL's preinstalled PCs:

http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/08/the_139_linux_pc.html

 :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on August 02, 2007, 11:47:28 pm
And another one here:

http://en.revilinux.org/2007/08/vector-linux-58-soho-or-kde-at-light.html

Seem to be coming thick and fast for a change.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on August 03, 2007, 01:19:28 pm
They quoted your re-make of the website text, nubcunubdo, congrats

I noted the oo language issue before, I was trying to make something about it, but the lang packs from open office site are unreachable from here for some reason  :( the page wont load. Thy are very easy to install.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on August 03, 2007, 04:14:08 pm
They quoted your re-make of the website text, nubcunubdo, congrats

Actually they were my edits of the website text, but we all of us a community have had a bit of input as to the actual wording over the years...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on August 03, 2007, 05:09:33 pm
oops, sorry, congratulations to you Larry! I remembered a long thread about that text with a strong nubcunubdo participation, and I related the text to that.
Good work.

PS: Does anybody have that issue at the oo site?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: bigpaws on August 05, 2007, 06:36:40 pm
Here is a review I have not seen:

http://en.revilinux.org/2007/08/vector-linux-58-soho-or-kde-at-light.html (http://en.revilinux.org/2007/08/vector-linux-58-soho-or-kde-at-light.html)

Bigpaws
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on August 05, 2007, 06:47:47 pm
Heh, it was linked by Lyn 4 posts before yours... ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on August 06, 2007, 01:41:22 am
"ZenWalk and the art of not booting" This blogger gave up on Zenwalk and installed VL instead.

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/08/zenwalk_and_the_art_of_not_boo.html

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on August 06, 2007, 07:18:53 am
http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/08/zenwalk_and_the_art_of_not_boo.html

I never put too much credence in badly written blogs from poor researchers as I find the above blogger to be. If you can stand reading it notice halfway down the page where he states he has had a number of problems with other distros and surmises that he might have a hardware problem. Well HELLO !!?? Maybe that is why he couldn't install ZenWalk ? Did he bother to check the md5sum and burn his CD at a lower speed. I suspect not....
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on August 06, 2007, 09:34:39 am
Quote
I like Vector. It looks nice, there's a good mix of software, but again, I didn't detect any speed improvements over either Slackware or Xubuntu.

You aint lookin if you can't see the difference in speed between Vector and Xubuntu.

It says something, if he can't boot ZW, but VL boots okay.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: bigpaws on August 06, 2007, 05:50:31 pm
 :-[
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: incognu on August 06, 2007, 08:59:30 pm
Quote
I like Vector. It looks nice, there's a good mix of software, but again, I didn't detect any speed improvements over either Slackware or Xubuntu.

You aint lookin if you can't see the difference in speed between Vector and Xubuntu.

It says something, if he can't boot ZW, but VL boots okay.

VL 5.8 is also noticeably faster than Slackware 12 on my box.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JJSH on August 16, 2007, 09:15:14 am
I've posted on my blog  ~ http://www.jjsh.org/?p=19 (http://www.jjsh.org/?p=19) ~ about my impressions of 3 months with VL 5.8 SOHO. I've tried to be as honest as possible.

Regards

JJSH
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on August 30, 2007, 10:53:37 am
What is this guy talking about?

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/08/this_is_vector_this_is_vector.html

Is there a tutorial or procedure for VL Fluxbox?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on August 30, 2007, 11:40:12 am
What is this guy talking about?

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/08/this_is_vector_this_is_vector.html

Is there a tutorial or procedure for VL Fluxbox?

No, I think he just *really* likes our fluxbox package  ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on September 01, 2007, 12:20:10 pm
Following up on that, he just published a review:
http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/08/review_vector_linux_58_standar.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on September 02, 2007, 12:14:28 pm
They seem to be coming thick and strong lately: http://www.linux-tip.net/cms/content/view/315/26/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on September 04, 2007, 06:18:33 am
Hey fluxbox on VL is the reason I ever thought seriously of fluxbox as an equivalent DE. It looks simply beautiful. On another note, I did a Gslapt-gui full system upgrade or Upgrade all, then added gnome, fluxbox, openbox, etc. My goodness, the beauty, speed, and useability of gnome on this kde-based distro floored me. I was in awe at the performance and the work that seemed to have gone into it. Vector Soho 5.8 Gold seems to bring machines I have used it on to life.
This distro is a keeper and I am still waiting on the fully released
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on September 04, 2007, 08:48:16 am
This distro is a keeper and I am still waiting on the fully released

???. It is a final release, glad you like it.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on September 09, 2007, 08:25:38 pm
Vector Linux 5.8 on 450Mhz K6-2, 256Mb (9-10-07)
http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/vector-linux-58-on-450mhz-k6-2-256mb/

Not much constructive in this review, but he definitely missed the difference in speed between Vector and Xubuntu.
Title: The Year Of The Small Distro
Post by: Joe1962 on September 17, 2007, 05:15:19 pm
Another nice article mentioning VL from our friend Caitlyn:

http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/08/the_year_of_the_small_distro.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on October 29, 2007, 08:25:55 am
As a newcomer to Vector, I've completed a bit of a review of Vector and Slackware..

Comments and corrections welcome....

http://www.users.waitrose.com/%7Epaulm/zenwalk_and_vector.html

paul.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on October 29, 2007, 10:40:29 am
Hi Paul,
Welcome to VectorLinux. I believe VL is based in Canada, not the USA, as mentioned in your very interesting article.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on October 29, 2007, 12:09:43 pm
Hi Paul,
Welcome to VectorLinux. I believe VL is based in Canada, not the USA, as mentioned in your very interesting article.

 :-[ Whoops! Thanks for that. Proves I should never do my own proof reading. Fixed...

paul
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 30, 2007, 07:04:20 pm
You said:
"Vector offers a means of shrinking FAT or ext2 partitions to make room for the installation. It also offers fdisk to create new partitions, and the ability to select from existing partitions."

It actually offers cfdisk, which is a geeky tool but considerably friendlier than fdisk. I've always liked cfdisk, but I do understand partitioning pretty well and have been doing it for years and years in DOS, Windows, and Linux.

I was interested in your comments on the quick release cycle of Zenwalk. I have come to the opinion that Linux distros in general offer new versions far too often. I think the 5+ years between Windows XP and Windows Vista is about right I'd like to see new Vector versions come out with *years* in between and just some service packs to add support for important stuff that comes up between releases. If not five years, then at least two years between releases would be acceptable. Even with the less frequent releases of VectorLinux as compared with other distros, it seems that just about the time I have my system just as I want it, a new version is on the horizon and I'll have to do it all over again.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Freeman on October 31, 2007, 02:50:31 am
I have come to the opinion that Linux distros in general offer new versions far too often. I think the 5+ years between Windows XP and Windows Vista is about right I'd like to see new Vector versions come out with *years* in between and just some service packs to add support for important stuff that comes up between releases. If not five years, then at least two years between releases would be acceptable. Even with the less frequent releases of VectorLinux as compared with other distros, it seems that just about the time I have my system just as I want it, a new version is on the horizon and I'll have to do it all over again.
--GrannyGeek

Totally agree on this one GrannyGeek. People always want to see new versions as fast as possible, with new features, better support, newer graphical twitches and so on. But this leaves us with the problem that the test release will not be well tested enough to become within 3 months a final release.

So the question remains: Why do we always need to rush things, like releasecycles?
Better betatesting offers a more stable and bugfree release. And on a home system that is what we all want to see don't you think? (in this case it doesn't matter if support for Compiz Fusion is in there are not, but when it is in Vector, it has to be 100 % supported and working, not half)

Just my 2 cents..
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on November 01, 2007, 06:40:07 am
It actually offers cfdisk, which is a geeky tool but considerably friendlier than fdisk. I've always liked cfdisk, but I do understand partitioning pretty well and have been doing it for years and years in DOS, Windows, and Linux.

 ;D Thanks. I had partitions already prepared, so I didn't get to the fdisk stage. I also tend to use a different tool for creating partitions - Dfsee, which now has a Linux version. While its commercial software, it does things that no other partitioning tool I've used can manage.

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I was interested in your comments on the quick release cycle of Zenwalk. I have come to the opinion that Linux distros in general offer new versions far too often. I think the 5+ years between Windows XP and Windows Vista is about right I'd like to see new Vector versions come out with *years* in between and just some service packs to add support for important stuff that comes up between releases. If not five years, then at least two years between releases would be acceptable. Even with the less frequent releases of VectorLinux as compared with other distros, it seems that just about the time I have my system just as I want it, a new version is on the horizon and I'll have to do it all over again.

Hmm. I think the Zenwalk interval is too short, but I would have just as many problems with the Microsoft type of interval. Having just had a fun day preparing 14 laptops for delivery, I can see a different problem with the Microsoft development process. Even though I had the last copy of Autopatcher available (up to June this year), there were still 30 odd patches to download. With an interval as long as Microsofts', there is just too much updating to do after a year or so.

If you look at XP, you have SP1, SP2, plus over 100 mb of other patches. Looks like a good case for more frequent updates, or at least, refresh copies of the basic media.

I think the Vector update interval is not too far off optimum. Maybe 18 months instead of 12?

What I would like to see is more chance of upgrading a distribution on a continuing basis. Zenwalk is fairly good in that regard - don't yet know how good Vector is. I once made the mistake of trying to upgrade a version of SuSE - never do that again...

paul.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 01, 2007, 03:55:02 pm
If you look at XP, you have SP1, SP2, plus over 100 mb of other patches. Looks like a good case for more frequent updates, or at least, refresh copies of the basic media.

It's true that there are many, many updates to apply if you're installing XP now. If it's been installed for a while, though, the updates are no big deal because we've been applying them all along. Microsoft did issue a Security Update CD for Win 98SE and XP. It was an easy way to get up to date by simply running the CD. Service Pack 2 was also available on CD and also as a 100+ meg file that could be used by businesses for updating multiple machines. I've been intending to create a slipstream CD for XP that includes Service Pack 2 but I haven't gotten around to it.

This just points out that broadband is pretty much a necessity today. I can't imagine having to do updates for Windows--or downloading Linux software such as OOo--on dialup. Unfortunately, there are still many people with no options for having broadband.

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What I would like to see is more chance of upgrading a distribution on a continuing basis.

That would be great but is fraught with difficulty and danger. It's sort of like a Holy Grail.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on November 02, 2007, 03:36:52 am
If you look at XP, you have SP1, SP2, plus over 100 mb of other patches. Looks like a good case for more frequent updates, or at least, refresh copies of the basic media.

It's true that there are many, many updates to apply if you're installing XP now. If it's been installed for a while, though, the updates are no big deal because we've been applying them all along. Microsoft did issue a Security Update CD for Win 98SE and XP. It was an easy way to get up to date by simply running the CD. Service Pack 2 was also available on CD and also as a 100+ meg file that could be used by businesses for updating multiple machines. I've been intending to create a slipstream CD for XP that includes Service Pack 2 but I haven't gotten around to it.

I think that the number of patches etc that exist have serious implications for the lifetime of any version of an OS. For instance, after IBM stopped real development on OS/2 (with the release of version 4, in 1996), it became a real problem for anyone installing it fresh. I used to sell systems with OS/2 preinstalled, and by 1999, it had become a major job to do so - first modify the boot floppie ( :) remember boot floppies?), then do the basic install. Then install the latest fixpack (OS/2 is much better than Windows in this regard - the fix packs were cumulative, so you only had to install the latest, not all of them in order), then apply a variety of other patches and driver updates. Not only did it require pretty thorough knowledge of both the hardware and software, towards the end, it had started to cut into my (not terribly good) profit margin. The same applies any any situation where you are selling hardware and bundling software, be it OS/2, Windows or Linux. The release cycle of the OS can seriously impact its ability to penetrate the 'market' (if that's the right word in the Linux context).

Slipstream CDs are a nice option (there is now a similar option for OS/2, which saves me a great deal of time if I do an OS/2 install). However, for Windows, they're often not practical. Given the standard MS treatment of customers (and I just love dealing with a firm that starts out with the view that I must be intending to steal from them), there are many places were a standard slipstreamed disk will not work. Thinkpads (or indeed, any IBM machine) are a good case in point - they use a modified OEM copy of XP Pro. So if an install is made using a standard (slipstream or otherwise) XP CD, they will come up as non valid licenses, even using the license supplied with the machine. When you combine that with the number of machines that are delivered with 'recovery' CDs (or no CDs at all), using slipstream versions is often not possible.

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This just points out that broadband is pretty much a necessity today. I can't imagine having to do updates for Windows--or downloading Linux software such as OOo--on dialup. Unfortunately, there are still many people with no options for having broadband.

 ;D I recently had a customer in just that situation. They have a machine with XP installed, but do not have broadband, and use the net only for a bit of email and the occasional bit of surfing. As a result, they had no security updates of any sort, and even their anti-virus software was years out of date. Updating that sort of thing without broadband is either completely impractical or simply enormously expensive.

Personally, even though I've only had broadband for two or three years, I have no idea how I could exist without it...

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What I would like to see is more chance of upgrading a distribution on a continuing basis.

That would be great but is fraught with difficulty and danger. It's sort of like a Holy Grail.

Zenwalk hasn't been too bad in that respect. The only change that really caused problems was the upgrade from Xorg 6.9 to 7.x - too many things had to be changed to make that practical to upgrade. Even the change when Slackware upgraded its toolchain was ok, though not a job for a novice. I have two desktop machines, one of which is still OS/2, the other has been Zenwalk for the last couple of years. It is a 4.4 install upgraded to 4.8 (not going any further at the moment - JP is doing very strange thins with snapshot at present and I'm not risking a production machine until he fixes it, or I switch the machine to Vector...

paul.

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: exeterdad on November 02, 2007, 12:23:39 pm
It's funny that the slipstream CD has come up.  I was trying to set up my wife's XP computer with faxing last night.  So while trying to install the fax services, it was calling for my Win xp sp2 cd.  Well it was a slipstream created from a stock XP without any service packs.  But the catch is that I took out all the bloat when I made it.  Faxing services not included.  >:(  Windows update site wouldn't work for me last night, so I had to download that huge update file and install it.

Sorry wrong topic... I'll shut up  :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on November 02, 2007, 06:49:04 pm
OS/2 is much better than Windows in this regard - the fix packs were cumulative, so you only had to install the latest, not all of them in order

Windows service packs are cumulative. That is, you don't have to install SP1 before you install SP2. SP2 includes what was in SP1. But from that point on, you're stuck in Windows Updateland.

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Slipstream CDs are a nice option (there is now a similar option for OS/2, which saves me a great deal of time if I do an OS/2 install). However, for Windows, they're often not practical.

That's true. You have to have a real Windows Installation CD, and most computers sold by the big manufacturers come with Restore CDs, not with real Windows CDs. I do have a retail XP CD because I bought an upgrade copy back in October, 2001. I'm not generally an early upgrader, but right after XP came out one of the bigbox stores was offering over $500 of free-after-rebate stuff, most of which I actually wanted and could use. So I actually made money on the deal. :)

I've never had any trouble with XP and have never regretted upgrading to XP in the first week after it came out. I wasn't using Linux heavily until 2004 or so.

If you buy a big-maker computer after a Service Pack comes out, the Restore CDs should have the Service Pack integrated. That still leaves you with the updates since the Service Pack and without broadband, that can be a lengthy download.

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I just love dealing with a firm that starts out with the view that I must be intending to steal from them

The fact is a lot of customers DO steal from Microsoft and are using pirated copies. I am not that unsympathetic to the efforts of Microsoft and other companies to prevent the use of pirated software. I do adhere to licenses. One nice thing about Linux is that you don't have to go through all the authentication and can install the software on as many computers as you want. You have a great operating system without breaking laws or EULAs.

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Personally, even though I've only had broadband for two or three years, I have no idea how I could exist without it...

I've had broadband for five or six years. I will *never* be without it. I wouldn't even consider moving someplace where broadband was unavailable no matter how desirable the place would be from other standpoints. I listen to streaming radio all day, check Google for information five or six times a day, check TV listings, check news and weather and sports scores, and participate in various forums, where I have cyber friends. And that's not even mentioning things like updates and all the Linux software I frequently download.

I am extremely lucky to have had broadband for so many years because I live in a rural area where we don't even have cable TV. You need a satellite dish if you want cable. Our independent local telephone company has worked very hard to have broadband available for 100% of their customers, all of whom are rural. Other companies could do it, but they won't. They really don't care about their rural customers.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Will on November 22, 2007, 09:43:19 am
Well its good to hear of a company that actually cares about giving their customers more instead ofsitting by and waiting till they've got angry mobs on their hands.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Dweeberkitty on December 24, 2007, 03:21:53 pm
Vector Linux v5.9 GREEN Release:
http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/10289.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: easuter on January 02, 2008, 02:07:17 am
Here is a glowing review of 5.9 from LinuxSeekers  :):

http://www.linuxseekers.com/content/view/224/1/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on January 02, 2008, 07:04:55 am
Here is a glowing review of 5.9 from LinuxSeekers  :):

http://www.linuxseekers.com/content/view/224/1/

Nice review!...
Quote from: reviewer link=http://www.linuxseekers.com/content/view/224/1/
I hope that the developers will extend further the capabilities of VASMCC, not just happy with its better look. Maybe all of the custom tools made by the VectorLinux be should included in the VASMCC.
I agree, but that would take tons of work
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 03, 2008, 06:57:54 pm
Nubcnubdo just pointed out a review of the 5.9 liveCD beta1: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/01/03/00/36/53-vectorlinux-5-9-nice-but-
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on January 04, 2008, 08:16:48 am
VL 5.9 gets a pretty good review from this reviewer below and it finds its way to "Linux Today". Not bad:

http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-01-04-005-26-RV-SW
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 04, 2008, 07:04:43 pm
Wow, more reviews pouring in:

http://techthroes.blogspot.com/2008/01/first-impressions-vectorlinux-59-mini.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vector-Linux-5-9-GOLD-Edition-Just-Released-74653.shtml
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: exeterdad on January 04, 2008, 08:41:16 pm
huh? http://www.linux-watch.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=391&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on January 04, 2008, 08:53:54 pm
huh? http://www.linux-watch.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=391&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session=

I saw that at some place and wondered if it was legit or not
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 04, 2008, 10:55:09 pm
I think the GREEN means that VectorLinux can keep computers out of landfills because it can get maximum performance out of old hardware. It's just the same good old (new) VL 5.9 Standard GOLD.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on January 05, 2008, 12:31:30 pm
Hi All:
This was the header in the release announcement I made at Linux Today. It is legit. Our cover for the CD has been revamped to GREEN from blue and gold. I will have copies shortly and can post for anyone wishing to see it. Let me know if you are interested.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on January 06, 2008, 02:54:31 pm
Here is the full story:
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/97880/index.html (http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/97880/index.html)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Freston on January 08, 2008, 08:00:57 pm
It's fresh (http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/vectorstd59.htm)!!!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on January 08, 2008, 09:19:43 pm
Wow...nice review..  ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: exeterdad on January 09, 2008, 05:19:11 am
It's fresh (http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/vectorstd59.htm)!!!
Kinda gives you the warm fuzzies.  Congrats on the wifi, he was "shocked".
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on January 13, 2008, 02:13:44 am
Not sure if anyone has seen this....

http://adventuresinopensource.blogspot.com/2008/01/distro-review-vector-linux-59.html 

Seems a fairly positive review
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on January 16, 2008, 06:19:56 pm
Another very positive review, and on a laptop...:
http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=365
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on January 18, 2008, 08:21:42 am
Dr Small's Blog: my thoughts on VectorLinux
http://php.8ez.com/drsmall/blog/?p=211

summary: newbie tries VL, likes it kinda.

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on January 19, 2008, 12:15:09 pm
Dr Small's Blog: my thoughts on VectorLinux
http://php.8ez.com/drsmall/blog/?p=211

summary: newbie tries VL, likes it kinda.

quote:
Ron Paul 2008

So Dr. Small supports "Rube" Paul for US President in 2008, eh? Well, to each his own, I suppose, but I don't think that he would be the best candidate.

FWIW,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: LLL on January 20, 2008, 06:04:55 am
*pokes head in*

I like 'green' references...as long as we walk the talk (which we do, in terms of revitalizing 'dead' boxes).

LLL
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on January 26, 2008, 10:31:38 am
Dr Small's Blog: my thoughts on VectorLinux
http://php.8ez.com/drsmall/blog/?p=211

summary: newbie tries VL, likes it kinda.

quote:
Ron Paul 2008

I got the idea he didn't like it.  The reasons were strange (confused by the installer, GIMP not on the iso).  Considering installing GIMP from gslapt is a piece of cake I found it a rather clueless "review".

Can we leave the politics out?   Politics and religion can turn a very friendly forum into something very different.  For example, I could write endless paragraphs about why Ron Paul is the worst possible choice on the planet to be elected President.  Would you like me to do that?  Oh, and yes, I support a specific candidate.  Visit my personal blog if you want to know which and why.

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on January 27, 2008, 07:56:08 pm
We have a new review of vector 5.9 gold at a russian site:
http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/355
can anyone translate please?
thanks,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: JohnB316 on January 28, 2008, 08:48:59 pm
We have a new review of vector 5.9 gold at a russian site:
http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/355
can anyone translate please?
thanks,
Vec

I tried to access the article but got a database error.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kidd on February 05, 2008, 08:39:23 pm
We have a new review of vector 5.9 gold at a russian site:
http://www.tux.in.ua/articles/355
can anyone translate please?
thanks,
Vec

I tried to access the article but got a database error.

Cheers,
John

It's working now.

Btw,  I've found an article in http://lucky13linux.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/current-laptop-info/ talking about a vl installation.  It went pretty fine.....
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 09, 2008, 09:52:31 am
http://simplyjat.blogspot.com/2008/02/vector-linux-59-standard-gold-review.html 

The reviewer liked it all except the lack of OpenOffice.org.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on February 12, 2008, 07:39:13 pm
http://simplyjat.blogspot.com/2008/02/vector-linux-59-standard-gold-review.html 

The reviewer liked it all except the lack of OpenOffice.org.
Some very nice comments on that one, so far I specially like this one:
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xheralt said...

    Prodded by this thread, I d/l-ed the VL5.9 install .iso and put it in the old Dell Optiplex GX1 500s+ I have on my desk at work. P-iii/500MHz, 160MB RAM, 20MB HD. It's been giving attempted PCLOS and MEPIS installs problems, never configuring the built-in soundcard right. Not only does VL5.9 get it right in one, *WOW* does it run snappily! I don't think I've seen boot text scroll by that fast in a long while! Certainly faster than PCLOS. And even under xcfe, it includes a favorite KDE app, K3b. I also liked having 4 different web browsers available (Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, Dillo). On my work machine, VL5.9 is a keeper. Once you get past the old-sk00l dos-shell-blue install screens, it's gorgeous!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on February 13, 2008, 10:44:08 am
VL 5.9 Std review posted on tuxmachines.org
http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/24148

The title of the article is unintentionally misleading, some readers may think the review is about VL Light. This wouldn't be a confusion if we used the spelling 'Lite'
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Vector Linux 5.9: Light, fast Slackware-based distro

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For those who use audio, video, and DVD applications, there's also a freely-downloadable Vector Linux Multimedia Bonus Disk with a huge selection of multimedia software.
Is this strictly true, the MM Bonus Disk is free? Probably needs clarification.

The article is commented by Beranger, who identifies the Gold edition as the paid edition. Someone should correct this. Commenter complains about hibernation in VectorLinux.

Question: What would be the advantage of gxine over xine-ui?

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on February 13, 2008, 12:49:51 pm
Daniel Beranger has a habit of running mouth first and checking facts later.  I'll respond.  He won't like that.

gxine has a nicer UI.  It also comes with lots more bugs.  I think we made the right choice on that one.

-C
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on February 13, 2008, 12:54:10 pm
Nice review. The commenter obviously didn't try too hard  ::). Hibernation works just fine for me. I think he is looking for a button for it in the Xfce logout applet. Indeed, hibernation has no other interface for launching / configuring than the cli. Perhaps something to add to the TODO list.   I have to say it works great for me as it is, and after some digging I have control over acpi events. BTW, is very easy to use and setup, and you can add a Xfce launcher to the panel if you want.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on February 13, 2008, 01:45:44 pm
Caitlyn is right... the reviewer does seem to run his mouth before checking the facts...
Other than that... nice review
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: eco2geek on February 13, 2008, 01:50:47 pm
The title of the article is unintentionally misleading, some readers may think the review is about VL Light. This wouldn't be a confusion if we used the spelling 'Lite'

Sorry, as the review's author, I hadn't taken a close look at your main page since I downloaded VL, and I didn't know you'd released a "Light" version in the last few days. I'll add that.

(Go on, rip that review apart! ;) )

Quote from: nubcnubdoIs
...this strictly true, the MM Bonus Disk is free? Probably needs clarification.

There's a download link (http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/Uelsk8s/iso-test/MultimediaBonusDisc-RC1.iso) for it right on its website (http://dweeberkitty.110mb.com/downloads.html).

Quote from: nubcnubdoIs
Question: What would be the advantage of gxine over xine-ui?

Heck if I know. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought gxine was just another front end to Xine, like xine-ui.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wcs on February 13, 2008, 05:08:20 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought gxine was just another front end to Xine, like xine-ui

So far as I know, that's true. But I think gxine also has a browser plugin.
That is handled by the mplayer pliugin in VL.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on February 14, 2008, 03:35:57 pm
Caitlyn is right... the reviewer does seem to run his mouth before checking the facts...
ndl

I actually was referring to the commenter.  He was at Red Hat the same time I was and I remember his posts on the various internal mailing lists.  I also remember his negative comments about VL 5.8 SOHO when I reviewed it.  I disagreed and he seemed to believe that endless repetition was a way to win an argument.  Not with me, it isn't.

Oh well... he had a good grasp of technical issues and he's sharp.  He just lacks social skills. 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on February 18, 2008, 04:40:33 am
VL 5.9 Light Beta gets a paragraph and a screenshot on the latest Distrowatch Weekly - Issue 240
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080218#news

I see an error in the paragraph: VL Std is mistakenly called VL Basic.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on February 19, 2008, 02:40:15 pm
Beranger surveys XFCE-based distros, gives pros and cons, includes VL
http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/02/19/12/07/29-choosing-an-xfce-based-distro
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: LLL on February 19, 2008, 07:04:05 pm
VL is listed as having "restricted multimedia ability out of the box" (as are many other distros in the listing). Really? Have I fallen out of the multimedia loop? Haven't spent much time in 5.9-land, but I've done it all in 5.8...I think ;) Multimedia-wise, anyway!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on February 19, 2008, 07:10:28 pm
He is saying that VL will play "restricted multimedia" out of the box.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on February 20, 2008, 07:21:28 am
vasmcc and vpackager get a line in it... kool page ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on February 21, 2008, 08:46:58 am
Not sure this has been mentioned yet, but I found quick VL Review (written in spanish)
http://quebienteveo.es/2007/12/15/vectorlinux/
Something our Spanish-speaking users will enjoy reading...

Google can also translate for us... not exactly 100% accurate, but you'd get the idea
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://quebienteveo.es/2007/12/15/vectorlinux/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVectorLinux%2Bvpackager%26start%3D60%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26pwst%3D1

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Sivatheja on March 01, 2008, 08:48:34 pm
Dont know whether to write this here or not, nor do I know whether any one has posted this already; but I prefer some easy installation steps to get VL onto pen drive. I have a thought in mind to put the whole thing in a Pen drive.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nubcnubdo on March 25, 2008, 05:51:26 am
honorable mention: I wonder where he gets his distro ranking info?
http://biguncledave.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/linux-distros-that-could-take-the-lead-soon/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on March 26, 2008, 06:55:54 pm
Our very own Caitlyn has posted an in depth  review of standard 5.9. I thought it was quite good at pointing out the strong points as well as the weak ones and certainly things to ponder for the development team as well as the rest of the community. Here it is: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2008/03/taking_a_good_long_look_at_vec.html
Wonder how the rest of you feel?
cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on March 27, 2008, 01:52:24 am
I thought it was extraordinarily good.  As you said pointing out the strong and weak points.  The question is do we want to go down the paths suggested, ie to be truly international and to be able to play with the big boys.  Do we have the expertise and the skills necessary to take the distro up a notch technically?  I know I don't.  Happy to try testing things but can't contribute much (anything) as a developer.    The bonus disk work has helped broaden what there is in the repository, which is a good thing.  That helps answer some of the issues with the breadth of applications on offer.  The question is where do we want to go today :-) A fully internationalised distro with options at install of installing in many languages - like Mandriva and fully localised  desktops etc.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: uelsk8s on March 27, 2008, 07:05:59 am
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The question is do we want to go down the paths suggested, ie to be truly international and to be able to play with the big boys.
I dont know, I will leave this up to the community to decide. I do know that in IRC the other day we were able to help a new linux user add 2 additional languages to his system in less than 5 min, so I dont think we are too far off with that.

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Do we have the expertise and the skills necessary to take the distro up a notch technically?  I know I don't.  Happy to try testing things but can't contribute much (anything) as a developer.
I hate when testers discount their Value to the distro. I think testers are one of the most important groups we have. Without testers we would have an OS that worked on only a handfull of systems.
We are sorely lacking a couple of things now.
1) package testers (we need people to download and do at least a minimal check on the packages in the testing repo)
2) Repo Maintainers (people that can move packages from testing to the proper repos)

Thanks,
Uelsk8s
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on March 27, 2008, 10:52:18 am
First, thank you all for your kind words.  When I write a review I don't treat Vector any differently than any other distro I've worked with.  I try to be honest and as objective as is possible.  Everyone's views are colored by their opinions and I don't claim it's otherwise when I write something but I do try to be fair.

I should mention that I wrote a review of Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon (64-bit) in January and then decided not to publish it.  Why?  It was intensely negative and harsh and I didn't want to deal with the reaction I'd get.  Let me just say that I'm still amazed that a distro could be released with the sort of bugs I encountered -- bugs which still haven't been fixed months later.

I agree with Uelsk8s.  Vector is very close and there isn't as big an effort needed as you might think to make it better than the so-called major distros.  I didn't say equal with; I said better.  It's mainly an issue of making a few areas more user friendly and adding some additional packages to the repos.  The installer also needs improvement.  By improvement I don't mean pretty or graphical.  Ubuntu only has a pretty installer on their live CD.  I mean things like getting video hardware detection to be as good as other distros.  I mean having an easy install path for newcomers.

I don't think the Vector developers lack any expertise.  That's been pretty well proven by the product that's out there already.

Regarding being truly international:  most major distros only support installation in a limited number of languages.   Ubuntu is in this category.  What they then offer are easy tools to work in any language you choose after installation.  Having said that the installer should have at least some multilingual capability for the most popular languages.  I realize some languages are incredibly difficult (Chinese, Japanese, Arabic) but others like French, Spanish, Portuguese, and even Russian don't require major changes in the structure of the installer -- just more choices.  We don't need to equal Mandriva or Fedora in terms of installer languages.

One thing Vector Linux needs and clearly doesn't have are a team of volunteer translators.  A good start would be to ask for translators right on the home page of the website.  Get the word out in the community that this is a concern to us.  The next problem once you have volunteers is quality control on those translations. 

Lyn:  Vector is closer than you might think in terms of internationalization and localization.  Set up a new user account with a default language and locale of French/Canada and see what your desktop looks like.  Most of the translation work is done upstream and it's already there.  Where it's lacking is in the unique to Vector tools and utilities and in applications from some of the smaller, less popular, often lightweight packages we include.  I don't think VL developers can worry about contributing translations to upstream packages.  I do think it is something to worry about for vasm, vasmCC, vwifi, etc...  In other words, it only should be a real concern when the farthest upstream you can get is right here.  I know that's a tall order. 

The other issue with internationalization and localization is ease of use. 

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I dont know, I will leave this up to the community to decide. I do know that in IRC the other day we were able to help a new linux user add 2 additional languages to his system in less than 5 min, so I dont think we are too far off with that.

Yes and no.  I tried to help that gentleman in the forum.  He ended up having to edit his /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.  He's a bright guy who was willing to roll up his sleeves, get under the hood, and learn.  How many newcomers would feel comfortable doing that?  Not too many, I'm afraid. 

A number of us tried to answer questions for another newcomer.  He promptly abandoned us for Ubuntu just because we suggested enabling the testing repo and looking at linuxpackages.net.  Even worse, someone suggested building his own package.  Going beyond what gslapt showed for packages was just too hard for him to be bothered with.  He said he didn't have the time.  He wanted a distro that just worked and required no real effort at all.  He made the comment that he is typical of most users out there.  I hate to say it but I think he's right about that.  He won't be happy at all with 64-bit Ubuntu either but that's not our concern.

Do we need to please users like the one I just described?  Only to a point.  There are always going to be people who will balk at any learning curve.  Those are the folks who end up writing how awful and hard Linux is and how wonderful Windows is.  We can't worry about people like that.  What VL developers can do is make things as user friendly as possible so that a sane end user with reasonable expectations has a good experience.  VL has already come a huge way since 5.1 in that area.  This can be done without dumbing the distro down for experienced users, something VL developers clearly have recognized based on what's been done so far.

Things like being able to change keyboard layouts and language/locale from the GUI are really the next step as far as internationalization and localization are concerned.  That was promised for vasm in the forum a year ago.  The idea is to make it easy for anyone, even a newcomer, to use the tools that are already there.

Aagin, thank you all for the very kind words about my review.  I'll continue to volunteer and help as much as I can with packaging and testing.  The main limiting factor for me is time.  I'd love to do this full time and then some but that sadly won't pay the bills.

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 28, 2008, 07:47:25 pm
Thanks very much for your review, Caitlyn. It gave us lots to think about.

I'm thinking about whether VectorLinux should go for the maximum market (with the hope that Vec et al. can make a decent living through this) or for the maximum benefit to our niche. Not being one who would profit materially from VL's market success, I can't make that decision. However, from the purely personal standpoint, I'd rather see us go for maximum benefit to our niche. I like ease of use as well as the next person and very much appreciate the steady increase in user friendliness that VL has exhibited over the years. However, I also like that VL doesn't do *everything* for me. I like learning about *Linux*, not just how to use easy graphical configuration tools. To me, working with xorg.conf is one of the basics of learning Linux. So I think that any user who says "no way" without even giving it a try is a user who will be happier with a different distro. Editing xorg.conf is usually just copying something someone suggests. You don't have to know all the technical details. I'm willing to edit anything if someone gives me some guidance.

Good hardware detection is important, so I think VL should improve as much as possible in that regard (although hardware detection is another area that has improved greatly over the years).

As for multiple language support, I don't know what all is involved. If it's difficult, I think we need to be realistic. While VL should support common user languages, I think most users speak common Western languages. Supporting what are languages uncommon to VL users may not be such a good idea if it takes more effort and expertise than our user and developer community can offer. Besides, why not leave an opening for people in countries without proper language support in VL to develop their own distro? That's one of the beauties of Linux.

People who try VL and go to Ubuntu or some other supposedly easy distro because VL is "too hard" may be back in a few years. That was my history. I first started with Linux in 2000 or 2001, I think--maybe earlier. I tried VL for a few months but the learning curve was too much for me, so I went with Lindows (now Linspire) for a couple of years. It had a lot of ragged edges but it was easier and it kept me in Linux until I got tired of Lindows's limitations (limitations due to its dumbing down of "real" Linux). I then tried quite a few distros. My hardware was mediocre so my experiments were often disappointing. I then used SuSE briefly and found it very polished, but performance was not so great. I decided to try VL again and wow! The speed difference between Vector and SuSE and other distros I tried was amazing. That clinched it. Once I experienced the huge performance boost, I was determined to learn whatever I needed to know to use VL. That was about the time I think VL was making major advances in user friendliness. VL 4.2 was the version that made me settle on VL as my only distro. I haven't tried anything else except through Live CDs ever since.

You are a great asset to the VL community, Caitlyn. Whether or not I agree with your comments, I always benefit by reading them.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on March 28, 2008, 08:24:21 pm
One relatively simple area which I think Vector needs to fix is basic locale settings. There is a good range of locale data to be found in /usr/share/locale, but no effort is made to help users select the relevant data. Instead, /etc/profile.d/lang.sh is shipped with the assumption of en_US (not even en_US.utf8), and new users are given no guidance as to changing that setting. It affects a number of things in using Vector, and really does deserve to be set correctly during install.

As a simple example, I wasted a great deal of time trying to get Abiword to use the en_GB dictionaries, without any success. Eventually, reading through some data on the Abiword homepage, I discovered that it took its native language data from the LANG variable. After more investigation, I then found that I could edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh to reflect the correct locale, at which point, Abiword and several other things started working as designed.

Now, anytime I install Vector, one of the first things I do is edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh to put en_GB.utf8 into the LANG variable. But I really don't think I should need to do so in any modern Linux distribution.

paul.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on April 04, 2008, 08:04:49 pm
And we have a new review of our favorite vectorlinux-5.8-SOHO here:
http://calummegan.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/kde-built-for-speed-vector-linux-58-soho/
comments?
vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on April 05, 2008, 03:08:06 am
Very good, love to see a review of 5.9 back to back...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on April 07, 2008, 12:46:05 pm
And we have a new review of our favorite vectorlinux-5.8-SOHO here:
http://calummegan.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/kde-built-for-speed-vector-linux-58-soho/
comments?
vec

That sounded suspiciously familiar, so after a couple of unsuccessful searches I reread most of this thread again and found it:
http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum2/index.php?topic=98.msg21952#msg21952
 ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on April 07, 2008, 07:38:00 pm
haha, ah sheeze ... looks like someone "trying" to be a blogger and copying someone elses work and using little modification. Oh well,, they tried,, lol.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kazuya on April 15, 2008, 07:22:58 am
I used vector 5.9rc and was left with an uneasy feeling about VL. I am glad to say Vectorlinux 5.9 official is near flawless for me. I am surprised at the amount of improvement done on b/w the two.

I have installed kde over my install. All I can say is wow. It really is a shame that we do not have the kde desktop shown in its glory as we do post install. Most PCs are getting more fluff, but VL with kde still runs like a champ and has a more complete feel about it. Nothing against xfce, but the kde is simply stunning The combination of the themes, wallpaper, icon sets, speedy functionality, etc makes it a joy to use and work in.

I love the Nvidia or graphic card checker. it worked flawlessly for me on my HP machine. Prior to install, it warned about network card not being detected, but network ran great without me doing anything.

This distro continues to impress. I am yet to run an OS so far that parallels or surpasses the kde implementation in VL. Great work guys, keep it going.

I hope someday that gnome would be easy to include in VL along with e17 - but at least what is used in this distro is well done. I missed not being able to upgrade all, but at least when I upgarde an application, it upgrades the app and all its dependencies. That was a huge plus.

This OS is very robust - and Im thoroughly enjoying using it primarily now again alongside my other OS of choice, Mepis. lol.

EDIT: gnome via gsb installed and ran flawlessly. So now i have all the DEs i want with the exception of E17, and it still runs wonderfully. Great release guys.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on July 22, 2008, 07:36:54 pm
New Review of SOHO 5.9 can be found here: news.oreilly.com/2008/07/vector-linux-soho-59-deluxe-no-1.html (http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/vector-linux-soho-59-deluxe-no-1.html)
Caitlyn Martlin from oreilly.com did a bang up job and is a member of our forum!!

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: dawnsboy on July 23, 2008, 03:14:38 am
This is a particularly well written review.  I appreciate the fact that Caitlyn has covered this release in depth.  Given the improvements in this release I may take another stab at installing VL on my Asus Eeepc. Previous releases work just fine (some manual configuration required) with the exception that the wifi card does not play well with VL. 

I have personally experienced the fact that with the release of VL 5.8 the distro has matured to the point that it can be used by newbies and novices alike when pre-installed in a new PC.  That is a critical point in my opinion.  Windows has the advantage of being onboard almost every PC on the market.  In order to use linux one usually must install it after the fact on a PC that was built with a windows os in mind.  This makes it essential that linux distros aimed at the broader markets must come equipped with user friendly installation scripts that automate the process as much as possible.  This includes the need for accurate detection and recognition of hardware that results in the installation of all required drivers during that process.

Linux distributions have a very large number of open source applications available for inclusion.  Many distributions succumb to the temptation of offering as many of these applications as can be crammed onto a dvd or multiple cd-set.  One of the first things I do as a user is strip out all of the applications that I will not be using that can be safely removed and then add the applications of my choice from the repository ( the place where most packages belong in my opinion).   I have the default Xandros OS on my Eeepc.  It occupies almost 2.5GB of the 3.7GB available on the SSD.  By the time I got done stripping out packages that are of no use to me and adding in the ones that I will actually use I had a net gain of over 1GB of drive space.  It is conceivable that I will never need to add another package during the time that I am actively using this little notebook.

Other users will have different requirements regarding the type of applications that they need or want.  Many of these personal requirements are met in VL by offering Light, Standard and SOHO editions.  I think that the most critical point to discuss is the "maturity" of the distribution as Caitlyn has so aptly pointed out.  All of the variations must share one thing in common; the ability to install easily with automated (as much as possible) hardware detection and installation.  The other point that seems important regards maintaining focus during the development process.  If a distribution seeks to be an enterprise solution then by all means equip it to do exactly that.  If a distribution is aimed at the individual user then equip that distribution accordingly.  Don't get carried away with including everything but the kitchen sink (oh wait, I forgot in linux you can include that as well  :D).

Way to go VL.  It is made quite clear in Caitlyn's most recent review that the distribution is maturing nicely.  She does a wonderful job of highlighting the features and benefits of using VL while presenting a straight forward analysis of those areas of development that still need work.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on July 26, 2008, 10:16:25 am
Thank you both for your kind words.  They are appreciated.

I do try to be objective.  I remember worrying about what the VL community would think about my review of 5.8 Standard back in January of 2007.  It was, IMHO, a very mixed review.  The response was overwhelmingly positive and any criticism was taken as constructive.  That really impressed me.  A lot of distro communities are dominated by fans who attack anyone who says anything less than complimentary about any aspect of their favorite distro.  VL developers instead went about the task of fixing and improving things.  The net result is that each release is better than the last as there isn't that much left to criticize.  I've noticed that most other reviews of VL are now overwhelmingly positive as well.

The real credit goes to the developers.  I just try and report what I see.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on July 27, 2008, 12:50:46 am
I think honest reviews that point out both the flaws and the benefits are always the way to go, if a community can't take constructive criticism then that distro is likely to be doomed.    Of course there will always be points where there reviewer will disagree with a philosophical decision of the distro makers but that is quite separate.  My pet loathing are the reviews where the main concentration is on the look of the distro while ignoring the nuts and bolts of of how the distribution works.

So in short keep up the good work, point out the flaws and praise the plus points.

Thank you, this honesty makes your reviews of all distros the one that I seek out if I want to know what the value of them really is.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on October 03, 2008, 04:15:32 pm
http://anojrs.blogspot.com/2008/09/linux-for-older-pcs-from-ubuntu-to.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: newt on October 06, 2008, 02:31:09 pm
Mentioned: Logo and "not in “testing” for VL"
http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/10/06/07/42/08-linux-distro-hating-week-oct-6-1

Cheers! ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on October 06, 2008, 05:23:46 pm
 ;D actually the "silly" or "childish" messages was one of the things that brought me to VL. To me, it showed a team that wasn't all "tight assed" and obviously have a sense of humor, this equals "friendly" no matter how you calculate it.

Back when that installer was written, Linux was about having fun. Even Linus used "FUN" as part of his personal slogan. I think far too many people these days take too much too serious, and nitpicking on wordings used in an installer definitely shows.Too many want their system to look and act like a MS system, which really is a shame.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on October 06, 2008, 11:07:43 pm
@Masta:  The problem, as far as I am concerned, is if I'm to try and sell Vector Linux to my consulting customers they expect something serious for their business.  They don't want "fun".  VL is now trying to sell commercial support and small businesses are clearly part of the target audience.  Business people have no sense of humor when it comes to the bottom line and Linux is still a tough sell to small business even though you and I know that it will save them money and make their systems more secure.

Yeah, I hate to say it, but I can have fun with Linux without it being part of the installer messages.   I have no love for Microsoft products but I do have to convince people that Linux is better.  I'd like to be able to do that with VL now that the issues I've seen as shortcomings are being dealt with so well.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: beranger on October 06, 2008, 11:08:22 pm
Yep, I defended VL just a little bit and in the thread about Firefox 3.0.3.  Daniel Béranger was a coworker of mine when I was at Red Hat, albeit on a different continent.
Caitlyn, I am NOT Daniel Béranger! And I don't know the Red Hat Béranger either! Here's a list of some other Bérangers (http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/09/05/08/25/26)...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Dweeberkitty on October 07, 2008, 02:40:28 pm
I was able to write an article for Linux.com on the Multimedia Bonus Disc!!!

http://www.linux.com/feature/149405

The version they posted is not nearly as good as what I sent them....they did a lot of destructive editing. Whatever, still the publicity for VL and MMBD should be good.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on October 07, 2008, 10:04:02 pm
Yep, I defended VL just a little bit and in the thread about Firefox 3.0.3.  Daniel Béranger was a coworker of mine when I was at Red Hat, albeit on a different continent.
Caitlyn, I am NOT Daniel Béranger! And I don't know the Red Hat Béranger either! Here's a list of some other Bérangers (http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/09/05/08/25/26)...

My apologies.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: The Headacher on October 13, 2008, 09:13:47 am
Mentioned: Logo and "not in “testing” for VL"
http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/10/06/07/42/08-linux-distro-hating-week-oct-6-1

Cheers! ;D
Whoever wrote that needs a reality check.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on October 13, 2008, 10:55:12 am
I've always like the complaints about the repository selections. Where's the Windows repo?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: beranger on October 14, 2008, 02:09:00 am
I've always like the complaints about the repository selections. Where's the Windows repo?
Well, this is exactly the kind of self-sufficient attitude that keeps me from using certain distros -- VL y compris.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: dawnsboy on October 14, 2008, 05:38:29 am
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I've always like the complaints about the repository selections. Where's the Windows repo?

Well, this is exactly the kind of self-sufficient attitude that keeps me from using certain distros -- VL y compris.


 ???
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on October 14, 2008, 09:43:42 am
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: newt on October 14, 2008, 10:37:01 am
I'm totally guessing here, but my suspicion is that Daniel Mr. Béranger has a very cynical sense of humor - at least this is how I've taken his statements.  Obviously, his requirments for the perfect OS are not met, nor will they ever be met, by any OS; I think it's more of a subtle statement about the state-of-affairs and "direction" that's lacking in and around linux.  Then again, maybe I've totally missed the mark ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: beranger on October 14, 2008, 12:36:35 pm
It looks like everyone except Caytlin is not able to understand plain English. I repeat:
I AM NOT DANIEL BERANGER!
PLANETE BERANGER IS NOT DANIEL BERANGER!


I suppose some of you still don't get it.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on October 14, 2008, 12:47:07 pm
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on October 14, 2008, 03:32:02 pm
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: beranger on October 14, 2008, 11:14:42 pm
Are you stupid, idiot, moron. or dumb?

What the foo do you need identity proof for? The whole argument was about PLANETE BERANGER NOT BEING BY DANIEL BERANGER!

Now go and stick you know what, you know where.

If this is the quality of the brains for the average VL user... I know why I am not using it.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on October 15, 2008, 12:04:25 am
oh crap now we need to make a Romainian version to keep everyone happy............... ;D

vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on October 15, 2008, 12:59:18 am

If this is the quality of the brains for the average VL user... I know why I am not using it.
Question.  If you are not using Vector why are you here?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on October 15, 2008, 06:55:15 am
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on October 15, 2008, 09:02:25 am
OK everyone, as your friendly moderator may I ask we discontinue this present discussion. I don't want to lock this thread as it is a valauble one with great links to VL Reviews, but if this line of discussion continues I might split off the past 14 posts to a seperate thread and lock it.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Larry
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: The Headacher on October 15, 2008, 10:05:08 am
lagagnon: we can split the trash and lock that. I agree that this has gone way too far now.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on October 16, 2008, 12:21:29 pm
I want to apologize to both the Vector Linux community and to Béranger.  This whole mess started when I confused the author of Planète Béranger with a Red Hat consultant named Daniel Béranger.  Both are Linux professionals working in Europe and both are extremely sharp.  I removed the offending post and apologized to Béranger and that SHOULD have been the end of it.  Clearly it wasn't and tomh must have had some interesting comments which I missed.  He now has thought better of them and deleted them which, based on some reactions, was probably a wise thing to do.

It looks to me like things got out of hand on both sides.  The Planète Béranger blog is subtitled "strong and cynical opinions" so you need to take "Distro Hating Week" with that in mind.  It was, in essence, a rant.  Based on the release of Mandriva 2009 it is VERY EASY to see where Béranger is coming from.  For those of you who haven't looked at the latest Mandriva it is a bloody awful buggy disaster of a release. 

We also have to face the fact that for a solid year things just sat in testing for about forever and rarely if ever got moved into patches or extra.  The complaint about Vector Linux he makes was very valid for way too long.  When I volunteered to do a little repo work both JohnB316 and Vector made a point of writing me personally and asking me to fix that ASAP, which I've done to the best of my ability.  (The VL 5.8 repo still needs some work, BTW.)  My point is that the Vector developers saw and recognized the exact same issue that Béranger raised on his blog and wanted it fixed.

One of the things that drew me to the VL community is that the developers and senior community members have always been tolerant of constructive criticism and don't generally circle the wagons and get all defensive.  They take a much more positive approach and try to address the issues raised.  That's why I volunteer.

Béranger is not known for being diplomatic and he was clearly upset at the case of mistaken identity.  That was entirely my fault.  I acknowledge that and I did apologize for it.  While I never saw Tom's posts it seems to me like there was a whole lot of overreaction on both sides after that.  Not good.  Driving Béranger, a prominent Linux blogger with a large readership, away from this distro is a huge mistake.  He has Planète Béranger.  Let's not turn the VL forum into  Planète Déranger, OK?  Keeping responses civil is always the preferred way of dealing with what was originally an honest mistake on my part that got blown way out of proportion.

Oh, and Vector, Romanian is a romance language written with Latin glyphs.  Everything we need for Romanian localization is already in place or in the works.  If we use gdm instead of kdm to allow easy switching of languages and add a keyboard switching utility that actually changes xorg.conf similar to the one in Wolvix we're home free.

Respectfully,
Caitlyn
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on October 16, 2008, 10:23:57 pm
oh crap now we need to make a Romainian version to keep everyone happy............... ;D

vec
Ah that was a good one!  :D
But I'm sure Romanian language support must be in there for the 6.0 build, eh?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on October 17, 2008, 03:55:42 am

Oh, and Vector, Romanian is a romance language written with Latin glyphs.  Everything we need for Romanian localization is already in place or in the works.  If we use gdm instead of kdm to allow easy switching of languages and add a keyboard switching utility that actually changes xorg.conf similar to the one in Wolvix we're home free.

Respectfully,
Caitlyn

OK so that is more for the wish list for 6.0 or 6.1?  gdm for log in and use the Wolvix keyboard utility, would it take a lot to get that incorporated to VASM and its graphic equivalent?   Certainly that would go someway to making Vector more international friendly....

Back to the orginal nature of this thread, I see Vector being mentioned in the packaging crib sheet on Distrowatch weekly and also it gets an honourable mention in the November issue of Linux Format here... a report about the 10th Birthday in their newsbytes section.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on October 17, 2008, 06:54:16 am
Back to the orginal nature of this thread...

Indeed! We also got a mention at LinuxDevices, a site I follow daily, with regard to our commitment to Dillo in the lightweight browser category:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3205239546.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: The Headacher on October 17, 2008, 02:39:32 pm
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Back to the orginal nature of this thread, I see Vector being mentioned in the packaging crib sheet on Distrowatch weekly.
They got the slapt-get commands all wrong in the cheat-sheet! All the options have to start with two dashes , eg.

slapt-get --install pkg

instead of

slapt-get install pkg

Quote
Indeed! We also got a mention at LinuxDevices, a site I follow daily, with regard to our commitment to Dillo in the lightweight browser category:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3205239546.html
Their link to Vector Linux is a link to a 2 year old release announcement (Soho 5.1 live)!

Getting attention is good, but correct and up to date info is more important IMO...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wcs on October 17, 2008, 06:11:46 pm
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Getting attention is good, but correct and up to date info is more important IMO...

Agreed. On the distropedia page here http://www.cafelinux.org/distropedia/node/22 (http://www.cafelinux.org/distropedia/node/22), Vector Linux is American and the latest version is stated as 5.8 (with the link to the iso also being 5.8 ).

Don't know if anyone reads distropedia, though...  ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on October 17, 2008, 06:57:23 pm
Quote
Indeed! We also got a mention at LinuxDevices, a site I follow daily, with regard to our commitment to Dillo in the lightweight browser category:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3205239546.html
Their link to Vector Linux is a link to a 2 year old release announcement (Soho 5.1 live)!

Dang! I didn't think to check that, figured it was a link to the VL website... :(
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on October 17, 2008, 07:03:01 pm
Where do we send the T-shirts?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on October 17, 2008, 08:08:37 pm
Are we going to put the new Dillo back into VL 6?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on October 19, 2008, 11:28:28 pm
@Granny:  Already done.  The package announcements for both 5.9 and 6.0 will be up shortly and AFAIK it should be on the next set of 6.0 isos for Std and Light.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 21, 2008, 11:51:28 am
Someone confused VL-Light with VL-STD here
http://lightlinux.blogspot.com/2008/09/vector-linux-60-alpha-2-released.html

But still mentioned the upcoming 6.0 releases ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vovane on November 24, 2008, 12:50:53 pm
VL 5.8 and 5.9 were mentioned in russian version of LinuxFormat magazine,that's where i first heard about vector :) And the article was "How to retask old pc",dont remember exactly and i am mistaking in translation anyway :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: todds on November 30, 2008, 11:26:39 am
Hello all vector linux is mentioned in the current issue of micro mart here in uk,it looks like it will be the subject of a how to install article at some point soon.The brief mention states next month vector linux.. thats it.

it is mentioned at the end of a three page how to install article on ubuntu,hopefully vector will get just as much coverage.

thanks

adrian 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 11, 2008, 10:35:40 am
Forgot to post this on Monday, we have a review of VL6 beta2 on DW weekly, by our very own Caitlyn:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081208#feature
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on December 11, 2008, 04:58:20 pm
Nice review. Thanks, Caitlin!
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: todds on January 05, 2009, 01:07:44 pm
Hello all vector linux is mentioned in the current issue of micro mart here in uk,it looks like it will be the subject of a how to install article at some point soon.The brief mention states next month vector linux.. thats it.

it is mentioned at the end of a three page how to install article on ubuntu,hopefully vector will get just as much coverage.

thanks

adrian 

Further to my last post i am pleased to announce that vector linux 5.9 is subject to a four page installation guide in the current micro mart,it is even mentioned on the front of the magazine,it is full of colour screen shots showing the installation process in all of its glory.

Iam very impressed with this and hopefully it will encourage a few new users to take up with vector.


Thans

todders
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on January 05, 2009, 01:14:34 pm
very nice
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Macdaddy on January 28, 2009, 09:05:19 pm
VectorLinux gets an unkindly intended screen shot in this post http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=1235 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=1235) titled "Why I love Windows 7, hate Linux, and think the Mac is lame" by Krigsman.

I think the post is passing VL off as a typical "difficult to install "  or "advanced" linux distro.  One linux'r tried to tell the world there's less difficult systems to use.  I thought that guy missed the mark so I tried to make positive comments about VL and shared my less that positive experiences with others.

Well, there's a mention, maybe not the kind you're looking for.  You probably need to do some damage control if you can.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on January 28, 2009, 09:48:26 pm
@Macdaddy:  I wouldn't worry about it.  ZDNet writes an anti-Linux diatribe every few days.  Nothing you can do about that.  That they chose a VL boot with the bootsplash (graphical boot) turned off just shows they were fishing to make a point to the uninformed.  Let it go.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wcs on January 29, 2009, 03:05:48 am
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That they chose a VL boot with the bootsplash (graphical boot) turned off just shows they were fishing to make a point to the uninformed.

Yea, I guess all those lines can really put people off.... Some of my friends have commented about how boot messages look "old-fashioned" or whatever...
I really like seeing them scroll by to see what's going on. Cannot find any rational argument for why having them hidden is a good thing (except maybe an asthetic thing, if you make a bootsplash out of your holiday snaps or something).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 29, 2009, 12:08:19 pm
I read that, too, and thought "how ridiculous!" The boot messages have nothing to do with how easy or hard VL is to use. In fact, messages just like that scroll by in Windows, too, but are hidden from the user by the initial screen. You can hear all the stuff loading as you're waiting for the desktop to appear, so if you set up Windows to show the messages, would that make it harder to use????
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: lagagnon on January 29, 2009, 03:47:59 pm
Simply an ignorant review by an ignoramus. There are plenty of those around  :D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 29, 2009, 05:42:36 pm
I really don't understand the attraction of lifting up Windows at the expense of other operating systems.  I mean, Mac is kind of the little guy, so Mac people feel understandably threatened and insecure, and so naturally are defensive about their OS.  Linux is an even littler guy, so the same thing applies to an even greater extent, especially when there's so much ignorance about even the existence of Linux out there.

One thing does come to mind.  Mac people and Linux people attack Windows not just because they feel intimidated, but because Windows has serious flaws which Microsoft has never really addressed.  The Conficker worm?  Malware for Windows (though that it only infects Windows machines is not often mentioned in the news).  True, Microsoft issued a patch for this way back in October, so much of the guilt rests on the users.  I know that Microsoft is taking security more seriously than they used to, but that they're the top dog means that there isn't much pressure on them to take it as seriously as they should.

So, serious Windows users know this, at least on some level.  The author of the ZDNet article knows that in some respects Windows (all varieties, Vista and Windows 7 included) is inferior to OS X and to Linux.  So what does the author do?  Does he acknowledge that the various operating systems available for home and business use have their strong and weak points?  No, of course not, that would be a boring column.  Instead, he puts down the Mac and Linux and talks a little about how great Windows 7 is (without going into any real detail, of course).

The title of the blog piece says a lot:  "Why I love Windows 7, hate Linux, and think the Mac is lame."  I imagine the author doesn't know enough about Linux even to hate it.  As for his opinion of the Mac, it actually applies more to Apple's marketing (annoying to me at least, but most marketing is) than it does to the OS itself.  So the actual substance of this piece comes down to the fact that somebody out there loves Windows 7.  Kind of thin soup, if you ask me.  More like something that should be on a MySpace page than the once-great Ziff-Davis.

And yes, Windows 7 still has the infamous Blue Screen of Death:  http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/will-windows-7-kill-linux/ (http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/will-windows-7-kill-linux/).  Scroll down a bit to see  a screenshot.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on January 29, 2009, 05:57:04 pm
Tom, I think some of the Windows crowd feels threatened by Linux and MacOS, both of which have gained market share recently.  The fact that Linux still holds 20-30% of the netbook market (depending whose numbers you believe) shows that Linux can do on the desktop what it's done in the server room -- take a significant chunk of the market.  Yes, Windows will still be dominant for the time being.  That said, the less people who run Windows the less people who only know Windows will matter.

I did some work for a company a few years back that decided to replace Windows with Red Hat Linux wherever possible in the server room, for both cost and security reasons.  I heard a Windows admin say he'd rather quit than learn Linux.  He is a bright guy and could have learned Linux easily.  When his words got back to his manager he was told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't learn Linux by a set date he'd be shown the door.  He still had no intention of learning.  Why?  Insecurity, I guess.  He felt threatened.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 29, 2009, 07:49:53 pm
Caitlyn,

As far as the Windows crowd feeling threatened by Linux and the Mac OS, I can see that.  It's definitely more true now than it was just a few years ago.  For non-netbook machines, Apple has been gaining significant ground recently.  In the server market Linux is clearly superior, and in my opinion is one of those areas where distributions matter less than on the desktop.

On a side note, I've come to the conclusion that "The Year of Linux on the Desktop" isn't going to happen.  I do think that Linux on the desktop is going to happen, but more subtly and over a longer period of time than one single year.  Still, 2008 was significant as a breakthrough, especially because of the netbook market share you mentioned.

There's a guy who works at a local Office Depot where I go occasionally.  He works there on the weekends and is some kind of sysadmin somewhere else during the week.  When I go out I often where a cap with Tux on it.  When this guy sees me in that cap, he can't fail to mention that Linux is "a piece of crap [edited for language]" and that the only OS worth using is Windows.  This past weekend he was going on about how great Windows 7 already is.

The last version of Windows I used without having serious problems was 3.11.  Sure, XP has been pretty good since Service Pack 2, and if you have the right hardware Vista seems to be acceptable.  If you're a gamer and don't have a console, Windows is the best choice (for now).  As for the people who tell me they've never had a problems with Windows I think they fall into three categories:  1) The very lucky 2) The ones with selective memory, and 3) The liars.  I realize that last statement will make somebody who reads this think I'm calling him or her a liar; I'm not.  There's no way to tell the difference between the three groups.

So, having given this some thought, I agree with you that the Windows crowd feels threatened.  I know I would.

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 29, 2009, 10:51:29 pm
I don't know who "the Windows crowd" might be. Most Windows users don't care that much about the operating system they use. They just take it for granted. Sure, there are the Windows fanboys who enjoy the hand-to-hand combat that makes those Feedback things so annoying to read. And alas, there are Mac and Linux fanboys who are glad to engage. I usually think "what a bunch of nasty lunatics--the whole lot!" But these characters are a very small percentage of the total users.

Linux will never take over the desktop. We can hope for a more substantial share of users, though. If people get fed up enough with Windows, most will switch to a Mac rather than Linux. Now if we could get some guardian angel that would fund a billion-dollar advertising campaign for desktop Linux that would extend over several years, maybe that could change.

I'm one of those who has never had a serious problem with any version of Windows in 18 years of use, and I'm neither very lucky nor a liar nor have selective memory. I've never had to reinstall because my system got sluggish or messed up beyond the point of fixing. I've never been infested by a virus or malware. I'm not denying that many Windows users do have those problems, but it's because of the way they use their computers. I keep my systems patched, my antivirus is always up to date, I don't run unnecessary background programs and I don't do P2P, illegal file sharing or downloads, click on everything in sight, visit the seamier parts of the Internet, or install software of questionable origin.

I've tried to persuade various friends and relatives to give Linux a try but have not actually succeeded in this attempt. I'll keep at it. I don't think it's necessary to complain about another OS (usually it's Mac or Linux partisans attacking Windows). Linux can stand on its own. The problem is there is so much misinformation out there, like Linux is hard to use, it's all command line, most hardware doesn't work, programs are hard to install, you have to be a geek, you can't get support, and similar nonsense. It seems these ideas got set in 2001 and nobody has bothered to see how things are today and they keep spewing the same misinformation again and again.

Though I have no dislike at all for Windows, I prefer to use Linux. I use Windows when I need to do something that I can't do in Linux (like use one of my many greeting card programs) or can do better or more easily in Windows. But I never wake up and say "gee, I really want to use Windows today." I always use Linux when I can, which is most of the time.

The problem I have with the Mac is the religious zealotry that affects a lot of Mac users. I think Macs are overpriced, I don't like the way the Mac idea seems to be that it's okay to be a dummy about your computer and what you do with it, and I find Steve Jobs extremely annoying. I also hate their commercials.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 30, 2009, 01:39:21 am
... but it's because of the way they use their computers. I keep my systems patched, my antivirus is always up to date, I don't run unnecessary background programs and I don't do P2P, illegal file sharing or downloads, click on everything in sight, visit the seamier parts of the Internet, or install software of questionable origin.
--GrannyGeek

Me too, me neither.  And yet, one day in 1999, I was using Windows 98 and my computer froze up.  I remember exactly what I was doing.  I was using Microsoft Picture It! to paste my friend's head onto a weightlifter's body, to send to him as a joke.  No P2P, my antivirus software was up to date, I had no bootleg software on my machine, nor had I visited "the seamier side of the Internet."  The machine was less than a week old.  I had to shut the thing down from the power switch.  The FAT32 filesystem had become corrupted, and the machine was unbootable.  I had to reinstall.  Fortunately for me I had an actual Windows 98 disk, and not some crappy system restore partition or something like that.

So, are you saying this was my fault?  Or are you calling me a liar?  It has to be one or the other, because according to you "it's because of the way they use their computers" (your words) that these things happen.

Another time I had a system hang on me right after I downloaded and installed a Windows update from Microsoft.  This was a new XP machine that I was helping my brother set up.  It worked fine before the Windows update, but afterward went into a cycle of continually rebooting.  So, was this my fault or my brother's?

I'm not saying you're a liar.  I just think your mistaken about Windows because you're luckier than you know.  But your post is insulting.  You try to make it sound as though it's because you're a responsible Windows user that you haven't had problems, when there's really no way you could possibly know that.

Tom

P.S.  You disparage Mac users for their "religious zealotry."  And yet in these forums you yourself are the most zealous defender of Microsoft and Windows.  Whenever somebody makes even the most mild criticism of Microsoft or Windows, you're right there to stand up for the company and the OS.  There's a word for this:  hypocrisy.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 30, 2009, 01:53:05 pm
I was using Microsoft Picture It! to paste my friend's head onto a weightlifter's body, to send to him as a joke.  No P2P, my antivirus software was up to date, I had no bootleg software on my machine, nor had I visited "the seamier side of the Internet."  The machine was less than a week old.  I had to shut the thing down from the power switch.  The FAT32 filesystem had become corrupted, and the machine was unbootable.  I had to reinstall.  Fortunately for me I had an actual Windows 98 disk, and not some crappy system restore partition or something like that.

1999 and Windows 98 are ancient history. I certainly wouldn't say it was your fault. Non-NT versions of Windows were not the most stable OSes known to humankind and FAT32 was not a robust file system. In that sense, you could say I was lucky because I never had something happen that required a reinstallation. A lot depended on things over which the user had no control, such as treacherous drivers for video, mouse, etc. So I should have been more nuanced, especially with regard to Windows 9x/Me. When people have problems, it's often because of the way they use their computers, but not always. And even when they use their computers in a way that's likely to eventually give them grief, it's because they don't know any better. Which is also not their fault, because they don't care about computers, they just want to do what they want to do.

And let's not forget that Windows Updates can do damage, too. Even when the vast majority of users have no problems with an update, there can be--and are--some who have no end of trouble, including being unable to boot. It's certainly not their fault.

As for the problem you mentioned, a System Restore disk would have fixed it. Such a disk restores the system to from-the-factory condition. However, you can't generally do a Repair installation, where everything doesn't get overwritten. I prefer a real installation disk, but those are rare birds these days if you buy an off-the-shelf Windows computer. The wise user makes an image file once the system is set up and uses that if a restoration becomes necessary.

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Another time I had a system hang on me right after I downloaded and installed a Windows update from Microsoft.  This was a new XP machine that I was helping my brother set up.  It worked fine before the Windows update, but afterward went into a cycle of continually rebooting.  So, was this my fault or my brother's?

See above. Another thing that I do to avoid Windows problems is wait at least a few days before installing Windows Updates. That gives me time to get feedback on the Web as to problems with a new update. And I do keep up with what's happening with OSes and software. An average user would never do this, never even know you *could* do this, and would probably not bother if he/she knew. It's hard to overestimate how uninterested "regular people" are in computers. I don't blame them. I like computers. It's fun for me to keep up on what's happening. But I'm unusual that way.

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P.S.  You disparage Mac users for their "religious zealotry."  And yet in these forums you yourself are the most zealous defender of Microsoft and Windows.  Whenever somebody makes even the most mild criticism of Microsoft or Windows, you're right there to stand up for the company and the OS.  There's a word for this:  hypocrisy.

I suppose "mild" is in the eye of the beholder. I hate one-sided viewpoints. I never keep quiet on any subject when my radar detects lack of balance. "Religious zealotry" is different. It LOVES lack of balance and is happy to overlook or deny anything that doesn't promote the object of its devotion.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 30, 2009, 02:23:34 pm
1999 and Windows 98 are ancient history.
Okay, we've gone from "I'm one of those who has never had a serious problem with any version of Windows in 18 years of use" to "That was a long time ago."

I myself haven't had a problem with Windows XP Service Pack 2, mainly because that's when I pretty much stopped using Windows completely.  I don't mind you changing your position, but at least admit you've changed your position.

"Religious zealotry" is in the eye of the beholder, but so is "serious problem."  I consider getting blue-screened a serious problem.  Maybe you don't.  But if I ever play cards with you, I'll make sure you don't shuffle, because you stack the deck in your favor, every single time, i.e. you think you can make words and phrases mean what you want them to mean, and then change them later on when the old meaning doesn't suit you.

Also, you're engaging in a deplorable practice:  blaming the victim.  If my Windows installation can be rendered unbootable by the very company that wrote the OS, then at the very least it's not my fault for having spyware, P2P, etc. on my computer.

Also, I would like to know your views on this event (ancient history, to be sure, but less than 19 years ago).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rXWr6Ezax4

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 30, 2009, 03:21:21 pm
1999 and Windows 98 are ancient history.
Okay, we've gone from "I'm one of those who has never had a serious problem with any version of Windows in 18 years of use" to "That was a long time ago."

I myself haven't had a problem with Windows XP Service Pack 2, mainly because that's when I pretty much stopped using Windows completely.  I don't mind you changing your position, but at least admit you've changed your position.

"Religious zealotry" is in the eye of the beholder, but so is "serious problem."  I consider getting blue-screened a serious problem. 

You've never had Linux lock up on you? I have. And I'm not just talking about one application. I've lost all input--keyboard and mouse-- and have had to press the power button in order to turn the machine off. In fact, that happened two days ago when I was trying to set up wireless on my newly installed VL6 RC4. I wound up reinstalling because it was easier than trying to find out what was wrong when the system wouldn't load. I'm not blaming Linux or saying it's a lousy OS because my computer got locked up. I probably did something wrong but I have no idea what. Regardless, it shows that any OS can have crashes and lockups.

"Serious problem" is certainly a matter of opinion. To me, a serious problem means something I can't fix without reinstalling or whose cause I can't pinpoint. If I got daily blue screens or lockups I'd consider that a serious problem. If I got an occasional crash or lockup, I wouldn't consider that a serious problem. Those can happen with any OS and they do.

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Also, I would like to know your views on this event (ancient history, to be sure, but less than 19 years ago).

Considering all the publicity that Blue Screen demo got, I've wondered if it was planned. But even if not, what of it? I believe the OS was still in beta or RC and experience shows that many people have never had a problem plugging in a scanner. I've been using SCSI and USB scanners since 1997 (and that under Windows 95B) and they have never caused a blue screen. On the other hand, I once had a SoundBlaster sound card that nearly klled the computer, but that was a hardware problem. It nearly killed Linux, too. I removed it and things have been troublefree ever since.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 30, 2009, 03:31:18 pm
You've never had Linux lock up on you? I have.
Sure I have.  Plenty of times.  Not so much recently, but four or five years ago it would happen once a month or so.  But I never claimed that in all the years I've been using Linux, I've never had a serious problem with it.  You made that claim about Windows.  I never said it wasn't true.  I didn't call you a liar either.  I'm just saying that if it is true, you've been lucky.

Tom

P.S.  Okay, let's suppose that Widows 98 crash was planned.  I have to ask, why would they do that?  To show how unstable Windows 98 was?  Besides, when I had Windows 98, it would blue screen me practically once a day.  And this was on a Dell, back when any Dell machine was high quality, so I couldn't blame the hardware.  Sometimes if I left the machine on overnight I would wake up only to see that blue screen.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 30, 2009, 07:38:15 pm
P.S.  Okay, let's suppose that Widows 98 crash was planned.  I have to ask, why would they do that?  To show how unstable Windows 98 was?  Besides, when I had Windows 98, it would blue screen me practically once a day.  And this was on a Dell, back when any Dell machine was high quality, so I couldn't blame the hardware.  Sometimes if I left the machine on overnight I would wake up only to see that blue screen.

If it was planned, it would be to get publicity for Windows 98, which wasn't yet finalized or released. There is a school of thought that considers publicity better than silence. As I said earlier, even if it weren't planned, what of it? People who use computers know that "stuff happens" no matter what operating system we're talking about. And why are we talking about something that happened over 10 years ago? Should Windows boosters keep bringing up the state of Linux in 1998 and implying it had some relevance for judging Linux today?

I rarely got BSODs with Win 98, though I did have program crashes. Not once a day, though. Win 98 had design problems, such as 64K resource heaps that would fill and cause slowdowns or require reboots to recover. Some people did have lots of problems, others didn't.

As I explained in my earlier message, people's definition of "serious problems" differs. I would consider a blue screen every day a serious problem; I wouldn't consider a program crash every day a serious problem, though it would be very annoying. Several program crashes a day would be a serious problem. If you have a different idea of what is a serious problem, okay--that's your opinion.

I should also mention that just as I challenge some characterizations of Windows that are commonly expressed on Linux forums, I challenge characterizations of Linux that appear on Windows forums. In fact, I object MORE because things said about Linux are often so far from being true. I don't object by disparaging Windows, I just tell the truth about Linux.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Pita on January 30, 2009, 08:32:03 pm
My good-woman who bought a HP Mini-Note PC, (I must say a nice machine)
with Linux Suse Gnome installed. She takes lessons at a computer school. They are
looking now for an instructor who knows Linux. That is a good sign and the reason
is the notebooks and may be laptops come with Linux installed. I can't apply, I make
more money with my hobby bread baking.

It is more than 12 years that I used Windows for a few months (there was no email in DOS)
and I remember that time with horror. It was not a good day if the system would
not hang or crash at least once. It looks that has not changed too much.

When I look at the computer stores around here they are all loaded with those flat
machine from small to large. One can hardly see a desktop PC anymore. May be that
trend will be the making of Linux on a wider range.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 30, 2009, 09:26:00 pm
And why are we talking about something that happened over 10 years ago? Should Windows boosters keep bringing up the state of Linux in 1998 and implying it had some relevance for judging Linux today?

I'm not the one who keeps saying, "I haven't had a serious problem within Windows in 19 years." You are.  That's why we're talking about something that happened 10 years ago.  You brought it up.  If you had said, "I haven't had a problem with Windows since XP came out," this discussion would have been very different.

By the way, why should I or anybody else care at all about what your personal experiences with Windows have been?  You make these claims that you can't prove, and I respond that my experience was different, and yet somehow you seem to believe that your experience has some objective validity that mine doesn't.

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I rarely got BSODs with Win 98, though I did have program crashes. Not once a day, though.
I don't care.  See above.

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I should also mention that just as I challenge some characterizations of Windows that are commonly expressed on Linux forums, I challenge characterizations of Linux that appear on Windows forums. In fact, I object MORE because things said about Linux are often so far from being true. I don't object by disparaging Windows, I just tell the truth about Linux.

I also don't care about what you write or what other people write in Windows forums.  The less I have to deal with Windows on any given day, the better that day is for me.

Just a little while ago I got a personal message from somebody else who is a member in these forums suggesting that in the future I ignore the things that you write, because you're irrational and think that for some reason your experiences have more basis in reality than those of other people.  I think this person is correct.  I think you'll defend Windows and keep repeating the same tired things no matter what anybody else says.  I'm also inclined to follow this advice because your copypasta (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=copypasta) is that when something goes wrong with Windows, it's the user's fault.  This opinion of yours reflects the mindset that for some reason Microsoft is exempt from the expectation that they produce quality software.

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It is more than 12 years that I used Windows for a few months (there was no email in DOS) and I remember that time with horror. It was not a good day if the system would not hang or crash at least once. It looks that has not changed too much.

Say, somebody had experiences similar to mine.  Does this quotation prove anything?  No, not really.  But I will say that I know a lot more people who have had experiences with Windows similar to Pita's, and I've seen with my own eyes many Windows crashes.  I know a handful of people who claim to never have had a problem with Windows ... but because of my own experiences I have to question either their luck, their memories, or their honesty.

Tom

EDIT:  GrannyGeek:  I really don't know what your goal was in engaging in this little discussion.  If it was to keep repeating yourself until the other person gave up, then you win.  Here's your prize (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c16/tomh38/internet.jpg?t=1233401705).
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Windozer on January 31, 2009, 08:05:15 am
Just my 2.5 cents here.

I've used Microsoft products since the company incorporated.  (I have a love-hate relationship with them: I owe them several careers - and they owe me several cases of Excedrin Extra Strength.)

Every MS application I've used over the decades has hung or crashed. Same with all of their operating systems, from a mild hang to the BSOD.

Any developer with some modest knowledge of the OS can make any Windows operating system run dog slow, hang, or crash - even blue screen  - in a few seconds to a few minutes depending on what access rights they have.  For testing, QA, and security reasons, we did this intentionally in several shops I worked for.  So that's intentional, sure.  But this also shows how unstable the stuff can be.

I don't have enough of an understanding of the Linux internals yet to do that to Linux - but it wouldn't surprise me if it was fairly easy too.

Remember: there is no such thing as "bug-free" code.

Each OS is stable or unstable depending on what you're doing. Device drivers anyone? And, the bigger the code base, the more the bugs lurk.  (I'm actually astounded often that these BOXES we use work at all! Think of the many thousands of (wo)man hours in any OS.)

XP is usually Rock Solid. (And Win98 SE is pretty good too.)  VL - even the RC's I've tried - is usually rock solid. All things being equal, my conclusion is:

 
Microsoft knows this ... watch how they position themselves in the market over the next several years. I predict they will actually get out of the OS business, much the same way IBM got out of PC manufacturing.

VL on slackware is VERY stable ... if you're using it right now, then "welcome to the future," my friend.

cheers
- Howard in Florida
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 31, 2009, 09:24:44 am
Howard:

So you're saying that it costs 2.5 cents just to put your thoughts in now?  I guess that's inflation for you.

I know several ways to crash or completely destroy a Linux install just by typing in a few commands.  And I'm not even a developer like you are.

In my view, all operating systems that have been in development have improved significantly in recent years (I'm mostly thinking Windows, Mac, Linux, but there are others).  I mean this both in terms of stability and ease of use.  I know that Vista has had some real problems along with some unfair bad press (you just can't satisfy some people), but overall I think Microsoft made some real improvements with Vista.  It's definitely more secure than it used to be, and according to what I've read it's at least as stable as XP, probably more.

Microsoft may get out of the OS market; it's a certainty if it becomes unprofitable for them.  They may spin Windows off into a separate company, or they could remove it from the center of their business model.  I really don't know.

They main problem I have with Microsoft these days isn't about the quality of their software.  It's that I believe that Free and Open Source software is superior in a number of ways.  I'm sure you've heard and read all about that, so I won't go into detail about it.  I will say that I do think that users have a right to use their computers as they see fit, as long as they don't infringe the rights of others.  You can't really do that with proprietary software.  You have to do it their way, no matter how much you know.  If you can't see the source code, you can't really change anything important.

I'm also a realist.  I know that most people aren't even aware of these issues, and among those who are many either disagree or don't care.  That's their right.  It's also the right of corporations like Microsoft to sell closed source software.  I simply don't like it, and I avoid using it whenever possible and practical. 

I think I have a slight disagreement with you on one point.  It's not so much that Linux is harder to install than Windows (I just used the graphical installer for VL 6, and I would say that it was about as easy as a Windows install).  I think it's more that most people don't have the first idea about installing and operating system of any kind.  Windows partly became as successful as it is today because OEMs started selling machines with Windows pre-installed.  That's happening some with Linux now (netbooks, some other machines).  That's about 3/4 of the battle right there.  If you can buy a computer, take it home, hook everything up, boot it, and be surfing the Web in a short time, most people will be satisfied.  There are other issues (configuration, applications, etc.) but I think those are coming along nicely.

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 31, 2009, 11:15:33 am
Tom,
I'm very happy to end this discussion. I really don't see what got you so upset, as I never said my experience was the only valid one--it was just MY experience. I've already admitted that I didn't express well my comment that many Windows users do have those problems, but it's because of the way they use their computers. The "problems" I had in mind were malware infestations, not the whole host of problems that can and do occur with Windows. That didn't come across as the sentence was worded. I agree, it did sound like I was blaming the victim, but I tried to clarify my meaning in a subsequent message.

NEVER did I say you were lying or people didn't actually have problems. I simply said *I* hadn't had those problems, which is true. And I said 18 years, not 19. So whether Bill Gates crashed Windows on purpose or by accident, it doesn't matter because I was talking only about myself, not other users. I could point you to plenty of people whose experiences have matched mine. That doesn't mean I deny the bad experiences of other people.

We are all reporting our own experiences--anecdotes, if you will. Why does this bring out such an emotional response just because I said I haven't had serious problems with Windows? Is it really necessary to be a Windows basher if we express an opinion or our own experiences on this board? I did not lie or forget. I did not say you were wrong about your experiences or responsible for them. Yet I'm told I'm irrational and a liar if I'm not actually extremely lucky. This comes perilously close to a personal attack, which I thought was against the rules of this board.

Maybe we need a new rule: Thou shalt not say anything good about Windows.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 31, 2009, 01:33:56 pm
GrannyGeek:

All right, since we've changed direction here I have a few things to say.

1)  My original post in which I said what I did about people who say they've never had problems (or "serious problems") was not directed at you at all.  I never mentioned your nickname.  I'm asking you to take my word that it was not intended as a personal attack against you.  In fact, I did have one specific person in mind who I know for a fact lies about these things - someone from my personal life.  I'm pretty sure (though not, of course, absolutely certain) that that this man did not engage in the risky behaviors which you correctly pointed out cause so many problems with Windows.  This particular man was always having problems with Windows.  And yet, he claimed that he never had problems with it.  He was, and still is, a liar.

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Maybe we need a new rule: Thou shalt not say anything good about Windows.

That's not fair.  In the post right before yours, I wrote:
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I know that Vista has had some real problems along with some unfair bad press (you just can't satisfy some people), but overall I think Microsoft made some real improvements with Vista.  It's definitely more secure than it used to be, and according to what I've read it's at least as stable as XP, probably more.

I wrote something good about Windows.  I've written in the past that since Windows XP SP2 it's been very stable.  I'll add now that ever since I first used Windows (3.11) I've thought that Windows has had a user friendly GUI.

2) I want to be clear about something.  I never thought you were liar, and I never wrote that you were a liar.  Nor do I think you have memory problems.  Earlier in this thread I wrote:
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As for the people who tell me they've never had a problems with Windows I think they fall into three categories:  1) The very lucky 2) The ones with selective memory, and 3) The liars.  I realize that last statement will make somebody who reads this think I'm calling him or her a liar; I'm not.
 
Yes, I had you in mind when I wrote that.  I knew I was on thin ice by writing what I did, and that there was a good chance that you would take it personally.  I intended to be clear that what I was writing had nothing to do with anybody in these forums, including you.

To be completely clear and to be as fair as I know how, I've altered my original opinion.  Now, based on what you've said about your experiences, I would say this:  As for the people who can honestly say that they've never had a problems with Windows I think they fall into four categories:  1) The careful, 2) The lucky, 3) The ones with selective memory, and the rest fall into category 4) The liars.  From what you've said, I would guess that you're in category 1, and based on my own experience I think it's at least possible that you've been somewhat lucky as well.  I know that I was careful once I learned about the dangers, and yet I still had serious problems with Windows.  So, either I was unlucky or possibly I had hardware problems that affected what was happening in Windows for me as opposed to what didn't happen to you.

4)  Regarding this statement:
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I really don't see what got you so upset ...
I strongly disagreed with what you wrote.  When I strongly disagree with someone, I usually get angry.  When something bad happens to somebody I care about, I feel sad.  When something good happens, I feel glad.  I'm a human being, which means that I have feelings.  I don't think that needs any explanation, and I don't apologize for it.

5)  This may come as a surprise to you, but I think you make excellent contributions to the VL forums.  Your advice to both new and more experienced users is always helpful, and sometimes corrects incomplete or bad advice from other users.  I myself have benefited from your posts on a number of occasions.  I'm not keeping track of how many times, but I imagine that at least for or five times things that you've written have helped me solve problems that would otherwise have left me scratching my head.  So I do respect you and your contribution; I think that you and I simply have very different opinions about Microsoft Windows.  I can live with that.  Can you?

6)  Lastly:
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Yet I'm told I'm irrational and a liar if I'm not actually extremely lucky. This comes perilously close to a personal attack, which I thought was against the rules of this board.

That sounds perilously close to a threat, though I could be wrong.  If you are threatening me, do what you like.  Ask the moderators to ban me from these forums if that's what you want.  If you do ask for that, and I do get banned, you'll have one fewer person to disagree with you.

Tom

P.S.  I forgot something.  Some time ago you made some references to Linux "fanatics" and "zealots," as well as some disparaging remarks about people who espouse the Free Software philosophy.  If memory serves, this was right after something I wrote.  It certainly seemed like a personal attack against me at the time.  So maybe you've made a personal attack or two of your own.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Windozer on January 31, 2009, 06:25:46 pm
So you're saying that it costs 2.5 cents just to put your thoughts in now?  I guess that's inflation for you.

Tom,

Well, OK, my contribution rate went up.

Hey, here's a funny, but practical, idea: let's put 2 cents (or fractions of Rubbles, Yen, Euro's - or what have you) in our piggy banks every time we post ...
At the end of the year, take it to the bank, send it to PayPal, and then click that Donate button up there!  8)


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I know several ways to crash or completely destroy a Linux install just by typing in a few commands.

Interesting. Can you do that without having Root priv.?

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[...]all operating systems [...] have improved significantly [...] both in terms of stability and ease of use.

Without a doubt.

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They main problem I have with Microsoft [...]

I'm with you on all those points.


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I think I have a slight disagreement with you on one point.

Actually, after reading what you said there, I'd say we are on the same page. You refined the issues.  Right, the installs of Linux and adding new packages is getting much easier. That's why I didn't do Linux more in the past - it seemed like it took a lot of time, whereas the windows installer was pretty much 'load and go' (that is if you had all the DLL dependencies otherwise it was OH NO!).   However, because of all the flavors of installers across the various distributions, there's a bit of a learning curve, whereas the windows installer - specifically the windows update manager that can pull downloads direct from MS, - is seemless if you've got it set to auto and have the bandwidth. GrannyGeek mentioned somewhere before, what, in essence, is the way many user's rightfully see it: she's less concerned about how something works than that it just does work.  I'm the same way - the more hassle an action is, the less likely I am to get it done. "Plug and Play" has indeed evolved from "Plug and Pray."

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Windows partly became as successful as it is today because OEMs started selling machines with Windows pre-installed.  That's happening some with Linux now (netbooks, some other machines).  That's about 3/4 of the battle right there.

Yup, maybe it's more like 90%.  I think it's only those of us who like to dink around with computers who don't have a problem with installing or maintaining stuff.

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... most people will be satisfied.  There are other issues (configuration, applications, etc.) but I think those are coming along nicely.

Yes, there's hope for Open Computing.  ;D ;D

ciao,
Howard
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on January 31, 2009, 08:08:23 pm
Windoze:

I don't know of a way to hose Linux without root privileges.  Of course there are plenty of ways to bork your system by accident with root privileges, but you didn't need me to tell you that.  I only know of two ways to do it by on purpose.  I'm kind of afraid to post them here, because I'm afraid a new person might think it was interesting and then do it.

On a related topic, I was once in a Linux IRC channel and a newbie came in and asked something like "How do I install an *.exe file in Linux."  Well, there was this one guy who was kind of a mean bastard.  He didn't tell the newbie that he could try it in Wine and that it might not work.  He told the newbie to su to root, and then issue the command "rm -r /" .  Everybody but me (and the newbie, I would imagine) thought that was hilarious.  I never went back to that channel again.

Actually this very subject is related to the subject of Linux adoption.  Some of the older attitudes - RTFM and so on - really need to go.  Unfortunately, some of the most knowledgeable people in the Linux world have that very attitude.  I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu, but I do like what I see a lot in various Ubuntu help forums.  It's kind of similar to the VL forums really; lot's of people trying to help each other out.

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 31, 2009, 11:37:27 pm
On a related topic, I was once in a Linux IRC channel and a newbie came in and asked something like "How do I install an *.exe file in Linux."  Well, there was this one guy who was kind of a mean bastard.  He didn't tell the newbie that he could try it in Wine and that it might not work.  He told the newbie to su to root, and then issue the command "rm -r /" .  Everybody but me (and the newbie, I would imagine) thought that was hilarious.  I never went back to that channel again.

Omigosh! That is really mean. Let's tell all the newbies here and the non-newbies whose command line skills are rudimentary (I'm in that category) that the "rm -r /" means delete everything in all the directories under the root directory. In other words, wipe out the whole system. As far as I know, the system doesn't ask you if you really mean it.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on January 31, 2009, 11:43:09 pm
Ask the moderators to ban me from these forums if that's what you want.

Absolutely not! This forum would be a much poorer place without you. A lot less fun, too.

As far as I'm concerned, the air is cleared and we can move on. I appreciate what you wrote.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on February 01, 2009, 02:27:46 am
GrannyGeek:  Yeah, I probably shouldn't have posted that command.  If anybody reading this is thinking about doing that, don't do it.  It erases everything.  There's even a video on youtube where somebody does it to a Linux install in a virtual machine.  At the end you can see X crashing and the screen (really the window the vm is in) just goes blank.

On another note, thanks for what you wrote, GrannyGeek.  For a while I was actually afraid that you wanted me gone.  I can see that's not true now ... it was an irrational fear.  You may have strong opinions (most people do about something or other) but I've never had reason to believe that you're vindictive.

In my opinion disagreement is normal and can even be helpful.  I know I learned something from our exchange.  Of course whenever there's disagreement you run the risk of misunderstanding, but that's part of life. As long as nobody pulls out a gun and starts shooting, things usually turn out okay.

Be careful, though.  I know Kung-Fu, Tae-Kwon-Do, Jiu-Jitsu, Karate, and a lot of other dangerous words.  ;D

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: StrayBit on February 01, 2009, 01:43:42 pm
Granny, of course, the same thing can happen in Windows.  We had just installed Win95 from floppies (how many? It seemed like hundreds!)  One of my co-workers wanting to delete every thing on a floppy, issued the command 'del *.*'  forgetting that he was still on C: drive!  I wound up reinstalling and, IIRC, he lost all his work.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on February 02, 2009, 07:58:28 pm
Another mention. Not so directly of VL itself, but of the artists. I'm pointing this out, because I feel that it reflects VL and everyone that gets involved, in one way or another.
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=8398.0;topicseen
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on February 04, 2009, 06:32:02 am
Masta,

I just now looked at your post and the interview with LGU.  I didn't know you were the head of the art team.  I need to pay closer attention.  Also, I think we have great artwork here.  Specifically, I'd like to mention how cool those badges are.

This is deep into ImaginationLand, but it would be fun to have one of those badges in real life.  I'd like to show up at a Linux user's house, flash the badge, and say, "I'm from the VectorLinux police.  We have a warrant to inspect your log files."

"But ... but ..."

"I said we have a warrant.  Things will go a lot better for you if you cooperate and give me some of those Cheetohs.  Now step away from the box.  Oh, I should have said 'boxen.'  All right, do have a license for each install of Crossover Linux here?  We'll need to see that."

"Um ..."

And so on.

Also, who designed the default wallpaper that comes with VL 6 now?  That's some really impressive work also.  Thanks to you and the other artists for making VL so nice to look at.  It's highly professional in quality.  My friends who've seen it always mention how nice VL looks before they say anything else.  Did somebody on the VL art team design the default Xfce theme for VL 6?  Whoever did should know that it's very impressive.

Thanks for your work.

Tom
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on February 04, 2009, 09:24:45 pm
Well first of all thanks for the flowers over the artwork, and I share that with all those involved.

Now the badges, I do believe we are getting some printed up, if not already. I'll have to check with the sales department to concur on that. As far as I know of, they were going to come with the Deluxe orders, but again I'd have to get with the sales guys n gals to be positive.

Now the wallpaper, That started out with our Vector, he saw an image (I think on kde-look ?) that was inspiring, but it did not quite satisfy what he was looking for. From there it was a "group project" as the developers helped in it's evolution. They had a vision, and there it is. 

Now the XFCE theme, Vec had a vision :) ... the development team and the artists worked together to get that to where it is. Comments from the testing posts helped out very much. At first start of it, I wasn't so sure it would go very well, but after it started coming together, well you see how it is  :)

P.S.
      I prefer the badge be flashed in a James Bond movie style fashion, rather than the Linux Police  ;D
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: tomh38 on February 04, 2009, 09:47:45 pm
Masta,

All right, James Bond style it is.

"Linux.  Vector Linux."

I've tried some of the other XFCE themes, and none of them are as good.  I think it says something good about it that Compiz-Fusion actually makes it look worse.

This is just a thought, but have you guys considered doing a VL theme for Emerald?

Oh, I should mention that this guy I know who's a CS major is trying out Linux for the first time.  I gave him a copy of my VL 6.0 RC4 CD, and he installed it on his laptop.  He was really impressed with a lot of stuff, but he especially liked the professional look.  I think he was surprised that a Linux could look as good as Windows or OS X.

He asked me if I was sure that everybody in VL was a volunteer.  I told him that as far as I knew that was the case.

A lot of people think that it takes a big corporation with a lot of money to produce high-quality software.  That's not true of software, nor is it true of artwork.

Thanks again.

Tom
Title: VL 6 RC 4 Review
Post by: tomh38 on February 07, 2009, 07:47:16 am
Here's a link to a short review of VL 6 RC 4:

http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/ (http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/)

Tom
Title: Re: VL 6 RC 4 Review
Post by: Windozer on February 07, 2009, 06:40:26 pm
Quote from: tomh38
Here's a link to a short review of VL 6 RC 4:
http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/ (http://hansbrickersnonrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/)

Tom,

thanks for posting the link --- this is an excellent review. The writing is clean, clear, and straightforward. The author covers many essential points such as who's who in VL, what its strengths in speed and install are, as well as covering the desktops, applications, admin - and, fairly, some of the problems he encountered.

The review goes into some detail, but also puts the VL distro into the context of greater Linux community.

I think we all should take a look at this review.

cheers
- Howard in Florida
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Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on February 21, 2009, 01:53:04 pm
I'm going to engage in a rare bit of shameless self-promotion  ;D  I've written an article on VL-Hot for O'Reilly Broadcast at:  http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/02/vl-hot-a-non-polling-alternati.html (http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/02/vl-hot-a-non-polling-alternati.html).  In addition to explaining what VL-Hot is, what it does and how it works it also mentions Vector Linux a couple of times.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: metvas on February 21, 2009, 04:11:22 pm
Hi Cait:
Thanks, I only wish we could promote you more.
Regards
Darrell
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Windozer on February 21, 2009, 04:49:07 pm
[...]a rare bit of shameless self-promotion

Caitlyn,

please be shameless every time you write for the public. We all not only enjoy reading your work, but often learn something too.

thanks,
Howard
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: zaurus on February 23, 2009, 08:53:24 am
Here the new VL 6.0 gets mentioned on a German Linux news site.

http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/13841.html (http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/13841.html)

Some negative comments about the screenshot, because it's KDE and the announced standard version should be XFCE.

Cheers.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on February 23, 2009, 11:55:14 am
A nice mini-review of VL 6.0 which has also been picked up by LinuxToday:

http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012208o-2000498448b,00.htm?new_comment
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on February 23, 2009, 04:11:38 pm
Here the new VL 6.0 gets mentioned on a German Linux news site.

http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/13841.html (http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/13841.html)

Some negative comments about the screenshot, because it's KDE and the announced standard version should be XFCE.

Cheers.

That would be my responsability, was unintentional of course, I only had Deluxe installed at the moment. I am installing STD now and uploading some screenshots. My apologies to the good German guys :)

EDIT: There is screenshots of VL running Xfce also though, KDE is part of the Deluxe 2nd CD that is why they are there.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on February 23, 2009, 06:20:55 pm
Well looks like this thread updated before I had a chance. I wanted to confirm that KDE 4.x IS included with the Deluxe version, it is on the second CD as rbistolfi has mentioned. The default desktop environment of the Deluxe is XFCE, if you do not choose to install and select another as default.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on March 07, 2009, 05:42:56 pm
I wrote an article about PekWM and how, as a tabbed window manager, it helps manage screen space when working at low resolutions (netbooks, legacy hardware).  It just so happened I used VL 6 to write the article and take the screenshots, some of them with VL-Hot running.  VL gets a couple of mentions and a link as well just because it was what I happened to be running  ;D ;D

http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/03/improved-linux-screen-space-ma.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kidd on March 07, 2009, 06:56:39 pm
Good review Caitlyn,

Those minimalist WM are getting more market share since netbooks boom.  It's good to inform people about them.

I hate to be picky, but the link to vectorlinux goes to inexistent http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/03/www.vectorlinux.com .

would it be possible to fix it?


Thank you!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on March 07, 2009, 09:32:42 pm
Very nice article, Caitlyn. If I had a low-res machine, I'd be very interested in giving PekWM a try based on what I read and your screen shots.
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on March 07, 2009, 10:22:48 pm
Didn't realize I had a broken link.  Yes, I'll fix it.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on March 18, 2009, 08:27:24 pm
Wow, that article looks pretty good.
 Does PekWM have capabilities for personalization as far as appearance and all those goodies too?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on March 18, 2009, 10:06:46 pm
PekWM supports themes but that's about it.  It's pretty bare bones.  I use it as a building block of a desktop environment, not stand alone.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on April 01, 2009, 10:59:14 pm
a new review of vl6.0 at linux weekly news just released for non-subscribers
http://lwn.net/Articles/323690/
pass it around.

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: stretchedthin on July 16, 2009, 01:51:53 pm
Just checked out DistroWatch and noticed a new review.
http://techexposures.com/2009/07/vector-linux-6-0-gold-review-and-screenshots/ (http://techexposures.com/2009/07/vector-linux-6-0-gold-review-and-screenshots/)

Has already received a couple favorable biased comments. (First one was mine.)  :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on August 28, 2009, 07:56:09 pm
We have a new review for 6.0 std gold................http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vector.html
Seems they thought the install a bit long but liked the end result...................... ;D

cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: GrannyGeek on August 28, 2009, 08:48:17 pm
He totally missed the boat on package management. Vpackager is not used (though you wouldn't know this from looking at the menu). Hey, reviewer--SLAPT-GET and GSLAPT! You can't get much easier than that.

I wish people would look at documentation. There's an icon on the desktop. Did he miss that or would he lose his geek cred by reading documentation?
--GrannyGeek
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nitehawk on August 29, 2009, 09:22:23 am
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It has a long and exhausting installation

...hmmmm,..not sure why he would experience that.  Maybe he installed a different Vector than I did  (LOL)..I never found it a "long and exhausting installation".  I'm also certain that my computers that are running Vector are older than his hardware, too. 

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: kidd on August 31, 2009, 12:58:31 am
We have a new review for 6.0 std gold................http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vector.html
Seems they thought the install a bit long but liked the end result...................... ;D

cheers,
Vec

I sent a mail to the author the same day the review went out, explaining the 'missing points'.  He said that he'll gladly try next vl versions, and he'll post my mail as a comment.

Cya
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: stretchedthin on November 04, 2009, 11:42:19 am
New review.
http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_vector_linux_6_standard/ (http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_vector_linux_6_standard/)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on November 04, 2009, 01:39:11 pm
Nice find strechedthin.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Windozer on November 04, 2009, 06:08:16 pm
New review.
http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_vector_linux_6_standard/ (http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_vector_linux_6_standard/)

That's an excellent review. Fair too, I'd say. The only criticism I saw was a reasonable one:

" if no partition exists, or you want to modify the partitions, you are forced to dive into Gparted to make the required changes before continuing.  This could be a hindrance or show stopper for new users, but this won't be any trouble for more experienced users. "

Nice to see more folks noticing how cool VL is :)

- H
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: toothandnail on February 28, 2010, 09:40:01 am
The latest copy of Linux Format (130) includes Vector Linux 6.0 Light on the cover DVD.

:) Nice to know Vector gets noticed occasionally.

Paul.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: newt on March 02, 2010, 10:31:01 am
The complete lack of mention in this weeks distrowatch weekly (considering it's topic) is approximately equal to a mention, don't you think?
link: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100301#feature

It would have been nice to see VL thrown into that comparative review, even of the outcome wasn't favorable. It's like saying that I'll be comparing cola soft drinks this week and up for review are: Coke, Jolt, and RC.  No wonder the comment section has been largely underutilized this week - a major contender was left out.  I thought a comment here would be better served than there. Edit: And, of course, my opinion is mildly biased ;)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Masta on March 04, 2010, 08:42:45 pm
Nah not really. If you think about it, it would be unfair to compare VL with those others. Although they use the XFCE window manager as does VL, they really are not in the same class. VL is ,most of the time, compared to much larger distributions like Ubuntu, Fedora, etc. I haven't done much research on it, but I didn't see anywhere (quick google searches) , where those others were compared with such distros. Mostly they're compared as they are there on the DW site ... with each other.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: never_stop_learning on April 12, 2010, 02:24:32 pm
http://www.tuxradar.com/content/whats-best-lightweight-linux-distro

The current DW Weekly mentions and links to the above article.....

VL 6.0 Light is compared to Puppy, SliTaz, #!, DSL, etc.....

Kind of a confusing review. I have VL 6.0 Light installed on an IBM 570 (PII 300mhz, 320mb RAM) and it is very usable (as long as you don't want to watch streaming video ;-) ) - every bit as usable as Puppy on the same machine.....

Anyway, just thought I'd post this as an FYI.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on August 18, 2010, 01:31:16 pm
Whoa! Looks like we just broke the previous record of (AFAIK) 5th place on DW  on the "Last 7 days" setting. We made 4th today!!!   ;D ;D ;D

Not that I place much importance on it, but it is always fun to track and then read the discussions about it, LOL.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: ZBREAKER on August 18, 2010, 05:42:27 pm
Whoa! Looks like we just broke the previous record of (AFAIK) 5th place on DW  on the "Last 7 days" setting. We made 4th today!!!   ;D ;D ;D

Not that I place much importance on it, but it is always fun to track and then read the discussions about it, LOL.


Wow...pretty impressive actually...nice find.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on October 30, 2010, 08:15:59 pm
Found a small review of Vector 7 alpha 3 seems he mostly likes it.
http://www.linuxcritic.com/vector-linux-7-0-alpha-3-reviewed/

He pretty well forgot what alpha means but ohwell any press is good press!!

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on December 29, 2010, 05:43:36 pm
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-vectorlinux-60

Nice one by Susan Linton.  :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on December 29, 2010, 10:10:25 pm
Very nice review and she has some good points. I do disagree about the multiple versions being confusing as I think the versions are well documented as to there intended audience and she makes a bold statement in the beginning about comparing VL to commercial offerings but really never follows up on that. She does have a good point in that we need to figure out a way to give VL some buzz, because as you all know we are very very good and others should know it. OH yeah and vl7 will be out long before the fall of 2011................. ;D

Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on June 11, 2011, 12:20:56 am
Not a review but a mention ....

http://www.osnews.com/story/24803/The_Sins_of_Ubuntu
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on July 22, 2011, 01:58:49 pm
http://www.muktware.com/articles/1959

Not the most positive review - but it has some good points.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 23, 2011, 09:03:48 pm
http://www.muktware.com/articles/1959

Not the most positive review - but it has some good points.

Good one.  I agree with the writer.  Vasm is getting old but this is being addressed and quite frankly i dont know why vpackager is not installed by default :(
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on July 23, 2011, 09:42:41 pm
The packages on my bitbucket are fir vl7. Those should work
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on November 30, 2011, 07:48:23 am
Here's a couple of post 7.0 release links at Softpedia:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/VectorLinux-7-0-Packs-Xfce-4-8-Linux-Kernel-3-0-8-237060.shtml

http://news.softpedia.com/news/VectorLinux-7-0-Screenshot-Tour-237303.shtml


EDIT: and here's another one: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/vector-linux-70-gold-released-10024905/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: hata_ph on November 30, 2011, 05:15:22 pm
The Zdnet give a lot of good comment :)

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/vector-linux-70-gold-released-10024905/

But it do point out some minor problem to the installer  :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 05, 2011, 12:46:32 pm
Well, FWIW, VL7 just made #3 at DistroWatch (for last 7 days view, of course). AFAIK this is a record, as the previous top position I have seen was #4.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on December 05, 2011, 12:47:44 pm
I noticed that last week on Friday... it was #6 then
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 12, 2011, 12:09:53 pm
Here's another one: "Short Video of VectorLinux 7.0 Standard Gold":

http://www.reviewlinux.com/?m=show&id=14355
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Joe1962 on December 21, 2011, 10:19:56 pm
And a couple more...

http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2011/12/review-vectorlinux-70-standard-gold.html
http://all-things-linux.blogspot.com/2011/12/quick-look-at-vectorlinux-70-final.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on January 09, 2012, 04:20:47 am
There is vl7 review on distrowatch this week

 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120109#feature
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on January 09, 2012, 03:35:20 pm
Which is decidedly mixed.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 10, 2012, 01:26:16 am
Another decidedly mixed review.... or shall we say not very enthusiastic.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vector-7.html

Main points seem to be that the installer has too many steps and asks too many questions as well as being "archaic" - I presume this was the graphical installer though he doesn't make it too clear.   

"I think I was seeing various elements from three different desktop environment clash together, with old-new icons, old-new effects, all combined with little regard to the artistic arrangement. It works, but it's just not Monet, more like Dennis from downstairs. Still, as far as Linux desktops go, Vector manages to strike the perfect center of the Gaussian distribution. Indifference is the strongest emotion evoked in the first four minutes of your exploration. "

"Package management

This was my biggest disappointment with the distribution. I could not find one centralized tool to manage software. Instead, each sub-category has its own launcher. Then, some more appeal for users would be nice, too. "

So he missed Gslapt package manager

Also he didn't like that the weather app was set to a Canadian location...

Over all not good, but I suspect it suggests some minor tweeks we could have, maybe we need a first use wizard or read me with instructions on how to tweek the desktop at first use?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: hata_ph on February 10, 2012, 05:13:52 am
Another decidedly mixed review.... or shall we say not very enthusiastic.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vector-7.html

Main points seem to be that the installer has too many steps and asks too many questions as well as being "archaic" - I presume this was the graphical installer though he doesn't make it too clear.   

A nice review and it did point out some weakness of VL. The Dev team will try to solve the problem in the next release (hopefully). :P

PS: I have send an email to the author to point out the issue with package management and the weather location. :P
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 12, 2012, 10:25:19 am
A review in MicroMart 9th 15th Feb (in the UK) - absolutely awful review - totally negative without giving specifics.   Another review from an install using the live cd.    The strapline under the heading Vector Linux 7 is:

This week David Hayward losses a little more hair, and reaches for the stout stick when faced with this awful linux distro".

Other than having a moan about the deluxe edition he concluded:

"We all have little niggles when trying out Linux distros, but after the install reboot, I had so many issues with this distro that I can't recall ever managing to use it for more than half an hour without something going drastically wrong.  It was a catalog of errors that really shouldn't be present in a modern distro: failed booting, unable to open applications, distorted graphics... the list goes on.  It's almost as if the developers couldn't be bothered to do a proper job with the free version and concentrated solely on the paid deluxe flavour.  Of course, that's probably not the case, but considering you get a much better Linux experience from other lesser known distros. there's really no excuse for this slap-dash kind of build.  Nevertheless, I persevered, but had an awful time doing so.

And Finally...
My final moan: don't download.  Vector Linux 7 has a long way to go before it can compete with any number of well produced distros around."
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 12, 2012, 10:33:09 am
And a totally positive review in Linux Format issue 155

They gave a score of:

Features 9/10
Performance 10/10
Ease of use 9/10
Documentation 9/10

Their concluding paragraph:
" Most of all, VectorLinux shows what developers can do when they have a clear goal in mind.  Like Linux Mint, it takes a base distro and applies a layer of polish that adds immeasurably to the user experience".
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: stretchedthin on February 12, 2012, 04:57:48 pm
And a totally positive review in Linux Format issue 155

They gave a score of:

Features 9/10
Performance 10/10
Ease of use 9/10
Documentation 9/10

Their concluding paragraph:
" Most of all, VectorLinux shows what developers can do when they have a clear goal in mind.  Like Linux Mint, it takes a base distro and applies a layer of polish that adds immeasurably to the user experience".

Outstanding.  Do you know if we made it onto the disk they give with each magazine?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on February 12, 2012, 11:52:14 pm
And a totally positive review in Linux Format issue 155

They gave a score of:

Features 9/10
Performance 10/10
Ease of use 9/10
Documentation 9/10

Their concluding paragraph:
" Most of all, VectorLinux shows what developers can do when they have a clear goal in mind.  Like Linux Mint, it takes a base distro and applies a layer of polish that adds immeasurably to the user experience".

Outstanding.  Do you know if we made it onto the disk they give with each magazine?

No we didn't unfortunately... I will drop them a line suggesting they do so.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: vector on March 12, 2012, 07:10:38 pm
We have a new review of VectorLinux 7.0 from techrepublic all very positive..............:)
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/vector-linux-lightning-fast-throwback-to-old-school-linux/3489

Cheers,
Vec
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: stretchedthin on March 16, 2012, 09:56:41 pm
Another review is in.  We seem to be winning them over.
New VectorLinux 7.0 review (http://vacillate.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/vectorlinux-70-review.html)

You guys with twitter accounts or the like may want to retweet this one.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on March 24, 2012, 02:44:33 am
And a new one here...

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/gimme-a-light-linux-from-vector-70-10025728/
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on April 12, 2012, 11:46:57 pm
http://www.osnews.com/story/25808/VectorLinux_7_Fast_Flexible_and_Supported

Very positive review
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on July 04, 2012, 02:22:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RYTE3iLN5g&feature=related

I think he likes it...
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Daniel on September 06, 2012, 05:24:48 am
See the bottom section here in this article about finding the best Linux for Windows users:
http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75859.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on September 07, 2012, 12:22:07 am
Interesting he recommended the KDE3 respin that was produced a while ago....
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: hata_ph on September 12, 2012, 10:17:29 pm
Another review...

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/76123.html
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rokytnji on September 12, 2012, 11:20:50 pm
Another review...

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/76123.html

Quote
Bottom Line

VectorLinux is one of the most impressive of the Slackware-based Linux distros I have tried. It is easy to use and performs exceedingly well. Aside from its quirky installation, the only real disappointment is the lack of enticing background images. The limited choices are all unappealing variants of the Xfce logo.

I guess the poor soul does not know how to use the + sign (add) and use /usr/share/wallpapers in XFCE Desktop. I am not a Linux insider member though to comment on that. Other than that. OK review.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on September 25, 2012, 03:56:43 am
http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/09/vector-linux-review.html

A little confusion regarding the size of a CD, but otherwise positive.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on September 25, 2012, 11:20:34 pm
http://www.linuxandlife.com/2012/09/vector-linux-review.html

Installed from a live version, positive other than the install process - didn't like the multiple steps.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on August 02, 2013, 09:25:26 am
http://fossforce.com/2013/08/and-your-first-linux-distro-was/

One of several single vote entries, but it's on there.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: overthere on July 15, 2014, 03:03:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPaUZquM4Y8

A VM  install of 7.1 RC1
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on July 16, 2014, 10:10:12 am
http://www.itworld.com/open-source/427133/ten-best-desktop-linux-distributions-your-computer

Last on the list, but still on the radar!  :)
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 17, 2015, 06:32:32 am
We got a review of Vector 7.1 in Distrowatch

It seems the reviewer did not read through the installer though and ended up not setting a root password, characterized as a 'security concern'.  Also, people obsessed with debian's ton of *-dev pkgs look at our few thousand packages available and think we dont have enough... This reviewer also mentions that we only have 3 thousand some pkgs, but interestingly enough, the thing has everything he needs on boot ;)

Other than that, and calling us 'visually dated', I think it's a fair review.  See for yourself!.

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150817#vector

Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on August 17, 2015, 07:59:06 am
Not bad. I have not tried to skip the user and password creation page during install. Could he have just clicked through without entering anything?
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 17, 2015, 08:35:36 am
Not bad. I have not tried to skip the user and password creation page during install. Could he have just clicked through without entering anything?
That may be what he did... Although it says he logged in as user and then changed the root password... I wonder if his user account had a ow or not.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: crum on August 17, 2015, 08:55:59 am
Read review,not bad. Liked nightflier response about security,I think reviewer clicked right past. Nice going nightflier. For all the developers, 7.1 STD "works for me."
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: sledgehammer on August 17, 2015, 05:55:33 pm
He probably expected a requirement that the password be entered twice and, as nightflier says, just went past the screen asking for both a root and user password.  I almost did that first time I loaded 7.1.  I gather the load continues even if no root password is entered.  If so and if he's right that a root password is necessary for security, the installer help info could warn users that installing without a root password is dangerous. 
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on August 18, 2015, 09:50:45 am
Opened an issue for the root password problem:

https://bitbucket.org/VLCore/vinstall/issues/39/force-root-password-setup

We will fix it for 7.2. Thanks to the reviewer for the input!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: caitlyn on August 27, 2015, 04:07:51 pm
This is what attracted me to Vector Linux in the first place years ago.  The developers don't get angry or take criticism personally.  They thank people for their input, roll up their sleeves and fix the problems if they are real.  This is so very different than some distros where any criticism is treated as the equivalent of shooting the family dog.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: Lyn on August 28, 2015, 12:43:27 am
Agreed!
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: wigums on August 28, 2015, 09:33:23 am
it happens quite alot ive found, that people enter the user password twice when in actuallity the 2 fields are 1 for user and 1 for root passwords
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: rbistolfi on August 28, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Here is a proposal for the password problem:

https://bitbucket.org/VLCore/vinstall/pull-requests/27/fix-issue-39-installer-allows-a-blank-root/diff

It disables the next button in the installer until a root password is provided.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: M0E-lnx on August 31, 2015, 06:43:47 am
We got a mention here

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150831#qa
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on July 04, 2016, 05:59:13 am
http://news.softpedia.com/news/slackware-based-vectorlinux-7-2-beta-ships-free-of-systemd-with-linux-4-4-14-lts-505936.shtml

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09464
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: SDkid605 on November 12, 2016, 08:06:04 pm
If you can only use small letters on the install, why the fudge does it not tell you that during the installation  ?

99% of applications usually require like "one CAP, one number, etc"

This stupid distro makes you find out the hard way that it is a stupid distro, not worth your time.

vectorlinux sucks.
Title: Re: VL reviews, mentions, etc...
Post by: nightflier on March 01, 2017, 03:26:33 am
http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-linux-for-old-laptops.html

Might be a while since he tried VL though.. "96MB of RAM and a Pentium 2 CPU"  :o