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 31 
 on: September 06, 2014, 10:25:22 am 
Started by webmouse - Last post by webmouse
Is there a simple way to install Vector from a usb stick?
My main system is a Packerd Bell DOT-S netbook.
I tried it several times, no succes. Renaming the init file etc.

 32 
 on: September 06, 2014, 10:13:18 am 
Started by Herpy - Last post by webmouse
I almost forgot my Raspberry Pi runs Raspbian, don't know what linux version my Boxee Box runs.
My own phone runs Nokia Series 40 OS, the other phones/tablets of the family run on Android 4.x and one iPhone with iOS 6. 

 33 
 on: September 05, 2014, 01:10:35 pm 
Started by overthere - Last post by overthere
Ok individual icon size was a curiosity but this is more real desire ..horizontal icon placement rather than vertical placement.

Is it possible to change the default placement from top left vertical to horizontal?

 34 
 on: September 05, 2014, 07:30:27 am 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by wigums
the only distros that i let the package manager handle an entire dist-upgrade are ones that have a rolling release model. on other distros like my beloved slackware or vector i only update whats needed for new/improved features and/or security. i come from the old school slackware philosophy that a user should have complete control over his/her distro. i find package managers to be a great way to handle installing new software and its dependancies or even for upgrading select packages but i shudder at the thought of allowing it to determine what happens to the OS as a whole, if that makes any sense.

as explained better by bigpaws.........a much better way imho is to have seperate partitions for / and /home. this way when it is time for a full upgrade i back up needed confs and such to my /home somewhere (this also saves all your xfce tweaks and pics of the grandkids or what have you since all that is in your /home/user anyway). then when i do a new install i do not format or overwrite the /home. i just format and overwrite the / directory leaving /home untouched , but making sure i mount that partition to /home during installation, and now getting your new install up and going quickly is as trivial as re-installing a given application and moving your backed up conf into the appropriate place.

and also as far as our use of gslapt is concerned it is merely a front end for slapt-get. so by using gslapt it is issuing slapt-get commands for you in a pretty gui atmosphere.


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There are some distros that do a true update. I a not sure if user installed software is
upgraded as well.

user installed software is not usually handled by a package manager

 35 
 on: September 04, 2014, 07:27:25 pm 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by bigpaws
There are some distros that do a true update. I a not sure if user installed software is
upgraded as well.

As far as the system libraries and such they should be upgraded as a group and it
is suggested to do a reinstall.

I hope that answers your questions.

Bigpaws

 36 
 on: September 04, 2014, 09:23:49 am 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by daftslacker
I'm actually using version 7 standard. When looking for documentation, I found some at ibiblio.org, but latest version there is 5.8. There are also docs at osuosl.org, and version there only goes up to 6, but the section on gslapt is the same.

I guess you use slapt instead of gslapt to use update option? Are there any plans to implement a feature where you have a software update app that you run that updates your system as well as any installed software? I don't know if any Linux distros have something like that, but I saw it in OS X. If I understand correctly, system components like libraries, widget toolkits, and stuff should never be upgraded individually. Instead reinstall the system when a new version is available. Is that right?

 37 
 on: September 04, 2014, 01:00:33 am 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by bigpaws
If you are using 5.8 I would strongly suggest upgrading to VL 7.0.

VL 5.8 was the last time that upgrade -all was an option. It did hose
some systems. Which is why there was a warning.
The reason for the hosed system is compatibility of system libraries
from old to new.

For the fix.

Backup your /home/<your username here> to somewhere.
NOTES: The <> is only a reference. You would backup /home/frank for example notice there are no <>
            If you are installing using the same version you can copy
           the /home/<your user name here>  to the new /home/<username here>
           which should give you the settings you changed for your
           user setup. If there are more users you need to backup them as well.

           If you are using a newer version you can still try the above if there are problems
          just remove the problem files.

Now reinstall so that everything is working.

You should be up and running.

The recommendation for security updates is to use update not upgrade.
The security updates are usually 2 versions behind the current version.
VL 5.8 is not currently getting security updates.

It is recommended to reinstall for new upgrades.
Generally if you backup your /home/<username here>
You can use that which will save the settings that you had previously.
Most of the time it works without any problems.
There is alot of useful information on this forum.

Any other questions please feel free to ask.

Bigpaws

 38 
 on: September 03, 2014, 10:23:30 pm 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by daftslacker
Actually, there is a warning, but I didn't read it first. The VL 5.8 documentation on gslapt says: "Please note that the gslapt command "Mark All Upgrades" followed by "Execute" will upgrade every installed package on your system for which there is a newer version at the repository. This is the equivalent of the slapt-get command slapt-get --upgrade. Either of these commands can be dangerous and may lead to a broken system - you have been warned!" Further information on the topic is given under section 6. Known Problems, System Upgrades.

If I remember correctly, upgrading all packages back when I was using Debian was a benign action.

It never gets to a command prompt and I'm not sure what I would do once I logged in. I imagine it would be easier and less time consuming to just wipe it and reinstall. But then I would have to reconfigure everything again. I guess the lesson here is don't update anything. But if something doesn't work right, and a newer version is available (because usually the first thing people say is ugrade to the latest version if your're using an older one), and that newer version might need a later version of a dependency, then one thing leads to another, and you might get a broken system for your trouble.

 39 
 on: September 03, 2014, 09:54:39 pm 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by sledgehammer
Can you get to the GUI by typing startx at the prompt?  You may have to log in from the command line first.

I remember when deleting something long ago, probably 5.8 ago, I hosed my system by deleting, I thought, one file but found instead that a whole bunch of things were deleted.  I haven't had that problem with more recent versions.


 40 
 on: September 03, 2014, 09:36:55 pm 
Started by daftslacker - Last post by daftslacker
I tried updating packages in gslapt. I was having an issue with the cairo dock (the dustbin app, specifically) and I thought updating it might solve the problem. I saw that several packages had later versions available, such as dbus, gtk+, etc.

I clicked on mark all available updates or something and it ticked the boxes on all the packages for which updates are available. Then I clicked on execute and it had a long list of packages to be updated, about a dozen to be added, and two to be removed.

It proceeded to download the packages and then on to installing them. About half way through installation, gslapt disappeared from the screen without warning. Then the cairo dock disappeared. I tried to access the menu button on the taskbar then it disappeared. I tried to right-click the desktop, then the desktop itself disappeared. All that was left was a gray screen and a mouse pointer. Only thing that would still work was the screensaver. I didn't know what else to do so I initiated a shutdown by pressing the power button.

When I turned the computer back on, it was listing a bunch of files being truncated. I don't remember the paths, but most ended in .so something I think, maybe library files? Then it was showing services starting, then the logo screen, then back to the text screen, and it stops right after trying to start xfce4. It says  "gdm-binary: no suitable security token can be found", then in the gui it shows a dialog box that says "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one." then in text mode it repeats "gdm-binary gtk-warning: ignoring the separator setting." Then goes to a screen that says "The display server has shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds. It is likely that something bad is going on. Waiting for 2 minutes before trying again on display :0."

So I guess I did something bad in gslapt. There perhaps should be a warning saying something like "don't try to upgrade all packages at once or the computer will choke to death". So how can I fix it? Reinstall the OS from the CD again? What would be the proper way to keep packages up to date without hosing the system?


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