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Author Topic: A VL6 version with KDE 3.5  (Read 4579 times)
nightflier
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« on: September 02, 2009, 06:49:28 am »

Some of us are not ready to let go of KDE 3.5 yet. We have our reasons.

It is not hard to add KDE3 to an existing installation of Standard or Light. However, having a disc with everything included and pre-configured would save you time and effort. Now you have that option.

An ISO for testing is available here:
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-6.0/iso-test/VL6.0-KDE-Classic-B1.iso
md5sum 9d636b956ab90318e79d823b203e741c

Feedback is requested in this thread.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 07:18:59 pm »

Is this just regular Standard with KDE included? In what ways would SOHO be different? I realize we don't have VL6 SOHO yet, but would this be a stopgap for a KDE fan until the new SOHO is ready?
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 08:17:22 pm »

It is based on VL6.0 Light. IceWM and supporting apps are replaced with KDE 3.5.10. No other DE/WM's. Very few options offered.

SOHO will have KDE 4, which is radically different. KDE-Classic is for those who are used to the old version and know they want it. There is no branding. Customizations are limited to a common theme and a few presets. I don't think of it as a stopgap measure, but it is a one-off spin for this KDE transition period.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 11:35:24 pm »

I've been running the KDE 3.5 beta in Virtual-Box for a bit now and so far the only trouble I've had it setting up the printer.  I use an hp c5280 and when I first tried cups to set-up it did not give a driver option for that model.  So I downgraded to hplip 2.8.12, as that is what I'm using in vl-6.0.  After doing so I used cups again and was puzzled to see that nothing had changed.  I browsed to usr/share/cups/Model/hp/  and found that I did have the driver I needed it just was not showing up in cups.  I think that cups is looking into a different folder as it's default than the folder that is being changed when an upgrade or downgrade occurs.   
Really, couldn't find anything else of concern so far and I've opened a lot of applications, but I'll keep checking around. 

I like the idea of this release.  I tend to agree that kde 3.5 is just too good an environment to fade away into kde 4.X's shadow.  It got me thinking. What if kde 3.5 was the alternate desktop environment for the xfce standard distribution, in the next release.  With VL-light now covering the older systems, and with standard now moving into the midrange it would make some sense.  Also, with the current standard edition, xfce and lxde just don't offer a decent program for sharing files over a local network between linux and windows machines, kde does. I just finished reading a thread where several people where admiting to installing konquerer onto there xfce4 environments for that reason.  Perhaps konquerer could be a default browser option on the Xfce side as well, for an Xfce/Kde3.5 combo edition.

OK, it's obviously has gotten late and I'm rambling.  I'll test some more tomorrow.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 01:12:41 am »

Hi;
I have a problem with the sleep button of my keyboard and KDE.
When I am in a KDE session the sleep button shuts down the computer.
I dont have a shortcut assigned to this key; and this happen only in KDE not GNOME.
Any ideas?
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 01:45:51 pm »

This is an older thread, a little off the main track, and therefore appropriate for my somewhat guarded comments.

I have encountered some modest problems with installation of VL6 KDE 3.5, but also with VL6 Light from last summer, and the most recent SOHO RC 2.8.

The installation problems are not identical, but, in summary, I am unable to boot into any VL distro, at present, though I have nearly a dozen VL 6 CDroms now serving as coasters.

I have had some terrific help from nightflier and Vec, thanks to both.

As a last resort, I have been testing the live install, i.e. running off the cdrom itself. 
So, this message is meant to offer some opinion or advice, or recommendation, from one person, not meant to be some kind of all embracing, all knowing solution to all the world's problems.

In my opinion, and perhaps, mine alone, a good version of VL light, or VL SOHO, or VL with kde 3.5, which is intended for use by owners of "old" computers, ought to offer an option to insert the cdrom, and install to the partition of one's choice, without any other fuss or bother.

once up and running, if one wishes to add users, then, one could accomplish that from the desktop of the installed version, rather than slow down the installation procedure.

Again, only in my opinion, not a fact or ultimate truth, VL would do well to ensure that at least VL light, and VL SOHO, incorporate multiple browsers, so that the user has a choice, and at a minimum, include VLC as the default streaming audio player of choice.

I would point to two other Linux versions which have worked well for me, during the past year on these three older computers which I use to test Linux:
Crunchbang 10, alpha
Puppy 4.3.2
these are two very different distros, but both share a couple of features, which naive operators like me, enjoy:
1.  They both work right out of the box.  No fussing about with trying to reinstall LILO, or rebooting in command line, attempting to edit /etc/lilo.conf or whatever.....
2.  They both have acceptable streaming audio, Puppy a little less desirable here, than Crunchbang.
3.  They are both very fast to install in my experience.  Though I haven't yet succeeded in installing any VL distro, (despite many hours of frustration, trying), here are some numbers for PCLinuxOS, KDE 4.4.1, which is somewhat comparable to our VL choices, for one of my three test computers, a trident video controller based, 1.4 GHz PIII system, with half a gigabyte of memory:

Distro.........install(min).boot(sec)..browser..............time (sec)..player.......time (sec)...shutdown (sec)

Win 98 SE....73...........59...........Sea Monkey 1.18......3..........VLC 0.86f.....9.................4
Win XP........80...........62...........Chrome...................5..........VLC 1.05......6.................10
Puppy.........20...........40...........Sea Monkey 2.04.......6.........Aqualung......8.................10
Crunchbang..30...........53...........FireFox ...................6.........VLC 1.05......7.................7
PCLinuxOS....85...........96...........Konqueror................7.........Amarok 2.3...29................28

A couple of notes: 
1.  Crunchbang installs in half of that time, but then, to achieve the proper resolution, one must go through all kinds of hand waving exercises, editing, rebooting, copying files, a nightmare....Even with all that nonsensical fuss and bother, Crunchbang total installation time is still only HALF as long as what it takes me to almost finish installation of VL 6 of any subtype.  (Almost, because I never quite finish....)

2.  VL light, for example, has opera, a good browser in my experience, but, what is the interface to the streaming audio?
NOT VLC. 
It is something I never heard of, called xmms, which works ONLY for OGG format, not mp3, and not aaCPlus.  I require a media player to accept all three formats, VLC does that, admirably.  Amarok handles two out of three, and Aqualung is unnecessarily difficult, because it requires an additional key stroke from the user, both to commence, and to terminate, very awkward and thoughtless software engineering.

Yes, I have attempted to use PCLinuxOS lxde and fxce and open box.  None of them work, well that's a tad exaggerated, they all install, satisfactorily (except open box, which crashes), but once up and running, none of them offer the user any access to streaming audio.  They have browsers, and some sort of audio players, and some sort of mechanism, clumsy, awkward, and slow, to download additional components from a central repository, however, nothing works, after this process:  the room is still silent. 

Quite a shocking difference with Crunchbang or Puppy.  Both work, immediately, just click on the icon, music follows.  No muss, no fuss, no bother.  PCLinuxOS with KDE 4.4.1, is, I suspect, fairly similar to VL 6 with kde 3.5.  Well, one doesn't know for sure of course, that was precisely my goal, to test them and see how they match up.  But, PCLinuxOS with KDE 4.4.1 is about the slowest slug on the block.  I know of no prospective SOHO owner, with half a dozen older computers laying about, (which still work well,) and with gross income slowing to a trickle, having no intention of purchasing new gear, who would be willing to employ any of these KDE monsters, in his/her enterprise.

Regards, CAI ENG
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 02:30:57 am »

The Following web page may be of interest to those who are not ready to jump to kde 4.x yet.  This group is trying to keep kde 3.x current and updated:

http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/


 
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