And before ending, I want to thank retired1af for the open office pdf extension suggestion. I tried it and it does allow input of pdf docs into openoffice. Kword and abiword do something similar, but the open office pdf import looks more promising. We are constantly dealing with "official" forms in pdf format. They can be filled out online, but data can't be saved. So, heretofore, unless abiword or kword could import the form without too much damage, we were using flpsed. flpsed is great for adding stuff to a pdf form, but difficult to edit if changes become necessary.