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macondo

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RAMBLINGS
« on: February 28, 2016, 08:17:36 pm »
RAMBLINGS

Strickly speaking as a user ( because I'm no geek), I don't know caviar
from cat food when it comes to Linux. I cannot compile a kernel if my
life depended on it. I learn as I go, getting in trouble and writing
notes to myself. But I do know what works for me and what is garbage.

Linux and the unixes are in deep trouble from my point of view. For all
the talk about being different, they emulate the darkside. It seems
their decisions are governed by the whims of Windows refugees.
There must be 4-5 hundred Linux distros out there.

Distros nowadays, are clones of MS in the sense that they have to be
pretty, lot of eye-candy, a display manager, point and click and over a
gigabite to download. If it doesn't fit on a CD, if KDE/Gnome is the
main attraction, I don't want it. Sorry, flburn is good enough for me, I
don't need k3b.

Why should I install PC-BSD at 4 gigs when I can download a FreeBSD
boot-only iso for 240 megs? How complicated is it to type: pkg install whatever?
or apt-get install foo? slapt-get -i foo? Do I really need a special app
for that? Every time I read a distro uses a 'control center' I run for
my life, more nuts and bolts, more trouble.

But what really irks me is the perception that a distro without all
these amenities is considered substandard. IOW, the incompetence and
lack of knowledge on the part of the user dictates if a distro is good
or not. And we all should know that perception is more important than
truth, unfortunately.

Emerge, apt-get, tar xyz, pacman -S, What is this madness? If it ain't
invented here, then it's no good? Choose one and make it universal, same
with BSD, use 'pkg' for all of them, use openbsd security, and netbsd
compatibility and stop wasting resources; that's what MS does, and it
works for them. IOW, KISS it.

I just opened a cold beer, lit a big fat Nicaraguan cigar, feel
better after this rant, life is good!

Later,
macondo
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 05:13:08 am by macondo »
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 04:44:43 am »
Most users could care less what the underlying command structure uses when working with an OS. As long as it installs and they can hit the ground running, they don't want to know the differences.

The advent of distributions that include everything including the kitchen sink is a good thing. Up until recently, Mint was my daily driver. However, some troubling issues have reared their ugly head over the recent compromise of their site and I felt it was time to find another distribution that can take over the tasks of my day-to-day use.

Some distributions are geared towards the complete novice. This is a good thing. Some distributions require some Linux knowledge before it allows itself to be tamed. This is also a good thing as it allows the user to tweak their system to get things to how THEY want it, not the whim of the developers.

Be careful what you wish for. After the dust settles, those clamoring for standardization may get exactly that. And that would be no different than what we currently see with Apple and Microsoft. And that is NOT a good thing.
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 05:19:15 am »
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Be careful what you wish for. After the dust settles, those clamoring for standardization may get exactly that. And that would be no different than what we currently see with Apple and Microsoft. And that is NOT a good thing.

You're right, never thought of it in those terms. Something to really think about.

P.S. I am getting behind the times.

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Most users could care less what the underlying command structure uses when working with an OS. As long as it installs and they can hit the ground running, they don't want to know the differences.
Exactly! they don't care, ignorance rules! Values are different. My grandkids get up at noon, they don't want to work or go to school, they are wizards at chatting and using convoluted cell phones antics but they posses no substance, they don't have a pot to piss, but they own an $800 cell phone. They don't care... Everything comes down to immediate gratification, doesn't matter how.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 09:12:47 am by macondo »
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 06:23:38 am »
For my primary distribution, I require it to work and work well as soon as I install it. This includes having the associated programs required for day-to-day business type stuff along with a desk top environment that doesn't make me rage and want to kill developers (which is why I avoid Gnome like the plague!).

I also don't like surprises that come to light after I've been using something for a while, which is why I just kicked Mint to the curb. There were enough questions in my mind regarding the security of the distribution that caused me to look elsewhere. I also don't give a rat's patootie about the systemd debate. Which is why I installed Fedora last week and am running it through its paces to see if it becomes my new daily driver.

Yes, I have other partitions that I use for VL and other distributions when I'm of a mind to play and check things out. But sadly, VL no longer fills my requirements of being able to stand up to the rigors of being my daily driver.

This is the beauty of Linux. While one distro may be what a person needs, it may not fit the needs for another. With all the choices out there, you're bound to find the one the fits for your purposes.
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 06:46:49 am »
But what really irks me is the perception that a distro without all
these amenities is considered substandard. IOW, the incompetence and
lack of knowledge on the part of the user dictates if a distro is good
or not. And we all should know that perception is more important than
truth, unfortunately.
Agreed.  The days of the user being capable of figuring things out by studying their OS (which is i OPEN) are gone.  Nowadays, users want to google 'How do I do this?' and google responds with a link to an ubuntu forum that says 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' or a link to Microsoft with a one-click fix for your registry.

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Emerge, apt-get, tar xyz, pacman -S, What is this madness? If it ain't
invented here, then it's no good? Choose one and make it universal, same
with BSD, use 'pkg' for all of them, use openbsd security, and netbsd
compatibility and stop wasting resources; that's what MS does, and it
works for them. IOW, KISS it.
I have to disagree with you on this one.  Given my opinion on your previous bit ^^, I want no part of ubuntu's apt-get; and having tried pacman myself I can also rule that one out as one I do not want.  I think a standard on issue here would be more damning to the current situation than you may think.
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 06:54:12 am »

This is the beauty of Linux. While one distro may be what a person needs, it may not fit the needs for another. With all the choices out there, you're bound to find the one the fits for your purposes.

You're right. To me, it's VL, my needs are basic, so I got no problems; read international papers, watch videos and movies. Right now I'm trying to learn Vim, ahh...the glory of retirement. No money but no constrains - no systemd for me. Vector, Salix, and FreeBSD for me.
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 07:40:27 am »

Different generations... you still a young pup,
I wouldn't get caught at Starbucks paying $4 for a latté :D
$4?  You wish... I can't get out of there under $6 most of the time .. ((hurts))
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 08:16:45 am by M0E-lnx »
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 07:58:03 am »
I stopped going to Starbuck's when a medium black coffee passed $2 (much to the barista's dismay, I refused to use their nomenclature).

Linux does not have to be of a particular flavor, I use what works for me.

Beer may be warm if it is a thick stout.

The occasional rant is good for you.

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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2016, 08:27:04 am »
I only do Starbucks if someone else is paying.  ;D

Overpriced and over hyped. Their coffee isn't that great.
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2016, 08:50:42 am »
$6 for a coffee? You guys are nuts!

Go to a latino supermarket get a moka coffee pot and some 8'oclock coffee, anglo's supermarket sell it too. There are 2 varieties, the common one comes in a red package, the other has coffee beans pictures (100% colombian coffee) that's the one i used, it costed a little more, but well worth it.

I used to make a couple pots in the morning, and put it in a thermo, strong and sweet. I began charging a quarter for a 2 oz shot (circa 1980's), finally we chipped in and bought a large pot and a hot plate. My coworkers loved it, they were a bunch of addicts.

Moka coffe pots (there all kinds of sizes)
https://www.123rf.com/stock-photo/moka_pot.html

8oclock coffee
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=8+o%27clock+coffee&t=ffsb&ia=products

I used to grind it right there in the machine in the supermarket (extra fine)
At 10am and 3pm - coffee time, all activity ceased at those times. Women and men, no difference.

OR

Buy the latino brands Pilón or Bustelo, already ground, and use any kind of coffee maker.

I haven't lived in the U.S. since the 90's so prices have changed, I'm sure.

« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 09:05:15 am by macondo »
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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2016, 06:10:15 pm »
8 o'clock coffee is not bad but dunkin donuts for the same price is waaaaay better.


im just sayin

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Re: RAMBLINGS
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 02:57:47 am »
All fine and dandy, but I'll stick to the golden rule of coffee:
When out of the house, the only place that guarantees you good coffee is an italian restaurant.
(Run by genuine italians, not 2nd- or later generation imports.)

Not saying you can't get lucky with other places, but your chances diminish exponentially, the further it gets from there...
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 04:39:22 am »
Generally speaking, first generation immigrants make good coffee.
Cubans, spaniards, latins, italian, turqs, greeks, strong and sweet.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2016, 08:44:07 am »
Macondo,

You would be a good member of the Reno Cigar Lions club.  Our project is to give refurbished computers to grade school kids who don't have one at home.  Our computers run linux, of course. We have given out thousands over the years.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 07:34:37 am »
sledge, I would be honored to be a member, but I live about 5000 miles away from you, in a third world country where Windows 98 is king.
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