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[Alf]

I'm trying to run VectorLinux SOHO 5.8 on a Toshiba Satellite 2100CDS, AMD K6-2 400MHZ with 260MB RAM.  Everything seems to go good during the install, looks fantastic on startup, and this is the only "light" install that activates my PCMCIA port and detects my network card.  What does run is nice and quick... and I don't want to have to install Windows 95 on it, however... while the desktop is starting up, I get at least 5, sometimes more errors.  I couldn't tell you what module because they are obscured by the splash screen and I have to clear them to boot.  Once the desktop does come up, the network configuration app gives me the hourglass but never actually runs, there is no network connectivity, and anything involving the organizer or the KONQUER (sp?) file browser causes the same Signal 4 error that occurs all over the place on startup.  Any clues?  It seems so close, but it's completely not usable.  Open Office works though.  Please help!

[JohnB316]

Please post the following items so that we can help you better:

1) The terminal output of "cat /etc/vector-version" (without the quotes).

2) The terminal output of "ls /var/log/packages | grep kde" (again without the quotes).

It is also possible that some of the crashes may not be related to KDE but may be caused by other things. This is also the first that I'm hearing of signal 4 errors with Konqueror as a file browser. I wouldn't be surprised about occasional signal 11 errors, but signal 4 is unusual. The next time you see it happen, click on the "Get Backtrace" button if you see the KDE Crash Handler dialog and post that output here.

Thanks,
John

[Alf]

Here you go - looks like I only have 5.1 and not 5.8 like I was thinking, but it is SOHO.  I've discovered pretty much anything I click on in KDE - wifi manager, Konqueror - everything generates errors. 
Output of /cat/etc/vector-version
Vector Linux 5.1

Output of ls/var/log/packages | grep kde
kde-custom-5.1.0-noarch.4v15
kde-custom-5.1.1-noarch-7v15
kde-theme-shine-5.1.0-noarch-4v15
kdeaccessibility-3.4.2-i586-4v15
kdeaddons-3.4.2-i586-2v15
kdeadmin-3.4.2-i586-2v125
kdeartwork-3.4.2-i586-4v15
kdebase-3.4.2-i586-5v15
kdebindings-3.4.2-i586-2v15
kdegames-3.4.2-i586-5v15
kdegraphics-3.4.2-i586-4v15
kdelibs-3.4.2-i586-5v15
kdemultimedia-3.4.2-i586-4v15
kdenetwork-3.4.2-i586-4v15
kdepim-3.4.2-i586-2v15
kdetoys-3.4.2-i586-2v15
kdeutils-3.4.2-i586-2v15


The application Korganizer Alarm Daemon (korgac) crashes and caused the signal 4 (SIGILL)

(no debugging symbols found) (I get a ton of this before the rest starts)
[KCrash handler]
#5  0x08053944 in QMemArray<char>::detach ()
#6  0x0805511b in QWidget::setGeometry ()
#7  0x0805128c in KUniqueApplication::metaObject ()
#8  0x40a4b312 in KUniqueApplication::processDelayed ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#9  0x40a4b7bf in KUniqueApplication::qt_invoke ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#10 0x40e5f773 in QObject::activate_signal ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#11 0x411835e7 in QSignal::signal () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#12 0x40e78304 in QSignal::activate () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#13 0x40e7f72c in QSingleShotTimer::event ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#14 0x40e04f6d in QApplication::internalNotify ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#15 0x40e0454d in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#16 0x4098d555 in KApplication::notify () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#17 0x40df455e in QEventLoop::activateTimers ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#18 0x40db0bed in QEventLoop::processEvents ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#19 0x40e1650b in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#20 0x40e163b4 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#21 0x40e051c0 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#22 0x08051130 in ?? ()
#23 0xbf94bfb0 in ?? ()
#24 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#25 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#26 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#27 0x08057f88 in _IO_stdin_used ()
#28 0x00000020 in ?? ()
#29 0x08083648 in ?? ()
#30 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#31 0x0807f700 in ?? ()
#32 0x080d0230 in ?? ()
#33 0x080cd5b0 in ?? ()
#34 0x080d7100 in ?? ()
#35 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#36 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#37 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#38 0x08066048 in ?? ()
#39 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#40 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#41 0x080d6dd8 in ?? ()
#42 0x080af370 in ?? ()
#43 0x080a5f78 in ?? ()
#44 0x08058000 in _IO_stdin_used ()
#45 0x0805800c in _IO_stdin_used ()
#46 0x080a75e8 in ?? ()
#47 0x080a9148 in ?? ()
#48 0x080a7378 in ?? ()
#49 0x0805ace8 in vtable for QCString ()
#50 0x08065898 in ?? ()
#51 0xbf94c0a0 in ?? ()
#52 0x080a74f8 in ?? ()
#53 0x08067648 in ?? ()
#54 0x00000124 in ?? ()
#55 0x000000df in ?? ()
#56 0x411dd278 in typeinfo name for QGCache ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#57 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#58 0x0805d0b8 in ?? ()
#59 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#60 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#61 0x080a7398 in ?? ()
#62 0x4179d510 in lock () from /lib/libc.so.6
#63 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#64 0xbf94c154 in ?? ()
#65 0x4179bff4 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
#66 0x4179bff4 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
#67 0x08064480 in ?? ()
#68 0xbf94c06c in ?? ()
#69 0x416ae70c in __new_exitfn () from /lib/libc.so.6
#70 0x41698469 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
#71 0x08050fa1 in ?? ()

The appliction Konqueror (knonqueror) crashed and caused the signal 4 (SIGILL)

(no debugging symbols found) (I get a ton of this before the rest starts)
[KCrash handler]
#5  0xb5fc2700 in DirFilterPlugin::DirFilterPlugin ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libdirfilterplugin.so
#6  0xb5fc7822 in KGenericFactory<DirFilterPlugin, QObject>::createObject ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/libdirfilterplugin.so
#7  0xb77afd71 in KLibFactory::create () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#8  0xb7ef0e58 in KParts::Plugin::qt_static_property ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#9  0xb7ef0daf in KParts::Plugin::qt_static_property ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#10 0xb7ef0023 in KParts::Plugin::loadPlugin ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#11 0xb7ef07d9 in KParts::Plugin::loadPlugins ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#12 0xb7eea3ab in KParts::PartBase::loadPlugins ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#13 0xb7eea351 in KParts::PartBase::setInstance ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#14 0xb7eea081 in KParts::PartBase::setInstance ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#15 0xb5fdafeb in KonqKfmIconView::KonqKfmIconView ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so
#16 0xb5fe51cf in KonqIconViewFactory::createPartObject ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so
#17 0xb7f00eff in KParts::Factory::createPart ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkparts.so.2
#18 0xb684d495 in KonqViewFactory::create ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#19 0xb683c8c7 in KonqFrame::attach ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#20 0xb6824d84 in KonqView::switchView ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#21 0xb682304e in KonqView::KonqView ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#22 0xb6830a33 in KonqViewManager::setupView ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#23 0xb68331e7 in KonqViewManager::loadItem ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#24 0xb6834526 in KonqViewManager::loadItem ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#25 0xb6831ada in KonqViewManager::loadViewProfile ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#26 0xb6838ef7 in KonqMisc::createBrowserWindowFromProfile ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#27 0xb68187c3 in KonquerorIface::createBrowserWindowFromProfile ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#28 0xb681889e in KonquerorIface::createBrowserWindowFromProfileASN ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#29 0xb6887bd7 in KonquerorIface::process ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#30 0xb763410e in DCOPClient::receive () from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#31 0xb762d207 in DCOPClient::processPostedMessagesInternal ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#32 0xb762cb90 in DCOPClient::handleAsyncReply ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#33 0xb763e8e6 in KDE_IceProcessMessages () from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#34 0xb7635c77 in DCOPClient::processSocketData ()
   from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#35 0xb76373e7 in DCOPClient::qt_invoke () from /opt/kde/lib/libDCOP.so.4
#36 0xb7124773 in QObject::activate_signal ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#37 0xb71248ac in QObject::activate_signal ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#38 0xb7449288 in QSocketNotifier::activated ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#39 0xb713f67d in QSocketNotifier::event () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#40 0xb70c9f6d in QApplication::internalNotify ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#41 0xb70c954d in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#42 0xb76f8555 in KApplication::notify () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdecore.so.4
#43 0xb70b975e in QEventLoop::activateSocketNotifiers ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#44 0xb7075b99 in QEventLoop::processEvents ()
   from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#45 0xb70db50b in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#46 0xb70db3b4 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#47 0xb70ca1c0 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
#48 0xb6815f2c in kdemain () from /opt/kde/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
#49 0xb7608796 in kdeinitmain () from /opt/kde/lib/kde3/konqueror.so
#50 0x0804cdf2 in ?? ()
#51 0x00000002 in ?? ()
#52 0x0807d1f0 in ?? ()
#53 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#54 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#55 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#56 0xb6bf0ff4 in ?? () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#57 0xb6ae39c0 in __libc_tsd_MALLOC_data () from /lib/libc.so.6
#58 0x0807d198 in ?? ()
#59 0xbff228f0 in ?? ()
#60 0xb6be8c6a in pthread_mutex_unlock () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#61 0x0804e31b in ?? ()
#62 0x00000002 in ?? ()
#63 0x0807cf34 in ?? ()
#64 0x0807cf47 in ?? ()
#65 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#66 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#67 0x0807cf58 in ?? ()
#68 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#69 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#70 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#71 0x0807cf5c in ?? ()
#72 0xb6ae39c0 in __libc_tsd_MALLOC_data () from /lib/libc.so.6
#73 0xbff22a6c in ?? ()
#74 0x00be8c6a in ?? ()
#75 0x0807cf5c in ?? ()
#76 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#77 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#78 0x0807cf4b in ?? ()
#79 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#80 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#81 0x0807cf3e in ?? ()
#82 0x0807cf34 in ?? ()
#83 0x00000002 in ?? ()
#84 0x0807cf30 in ?? ()
#85 0x00000ec0 in ?? ()
#86 0x00000004 in ?? ()
#87 0x00000004 in ?? ()
#88 0x0000000a in ?? ()
#89 0x00000061 in ?? ()
#90 0x08052618 in vtable for QCString ()
#91 0x0805b568 in ?? ()
#92 0x00000e23 in ?? ()
#93 0xb6ae1ff4 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
#94 0x08052618 in vtable for QCString ()
#95 0x0805b558 in ?? ()
#96 0xbff22abc in ?? ()
#97 0xb6beb51b in thread_self () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#98 0x0804e83e in ?? ()
#99 0x00000008 in ?? ()
#100 0xbff22cf0 in ?? ()
#101 0xbff22c70 in ?? ()
#102 0xbff22bf0 in ?? ()
#103 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#104 0xbff22bb0 in ?? ()
#105 0xffffffff in ?? ()
#106 0xb6b9e74d in operator delete () from /usr/lib/./libstdc++.so.5
#107 0x0804f8ad in ?? ()
#108 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#109 0xbff22dee in ?? ()
#110 0x00000001 in ?? ()
#111 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#112 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#113 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#114 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#115 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#116 0x00000000 in ?? ()
#117 0x08050697 in _IO_stdin_used ()
#118 0xbff22e94 in ?? ()
#119 0xbff22dc8 in ?? ()
#120 0xb69f4624 in __cxa_atexit_internal () from /lib/libc.so.6
#121 0xb69de469 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
#122 0x0804b751 in ?? ()

[JohnB316]

I'm frankly stumped by this... I never have had a signal 4 error with KDE at all. Did you, by chance, do any upgrades using either slapt-get or gslapt after installing VL 5.1 SOHO? Just curious, that's all.

Cheers,
John

[Alf]

Nope... no upgrades.  Virgin install on freshly fdisked HD.  Got the regular iso image off the download page, verified files... Any one think it might have something to do with the file system?  I haven't done Reiser yet.  That's about the only thing that I haven't tried tweaking.  Fresh install every time, same results.  Windows 95 and XP work fine but XP is too slow and 95... I'd rather use LINUX.  So far Vector is the only dist (and I've lost track) that sees the network card and doesn't crawl, even sets it up as eth0 I just can't get in to configure stuff (and KDE flat out doesn't work).  I'm stumped too.  :-(

[Alf]

As an addendum...  I tried SOHO 5.8 latest release candidate and that wouldn't even install.  It goes half way and then powers off the laptop suddenly.  I have tried many other LINUX installs and apart from not detecting the network card, haven't had any problems with any other flavor or desktop manager, including KDE on other dists.  VERY confusing...

[lagagnon]

OK Alf here is what I would do, in this order:

1) double check md5sum of ISO, burn to a better quality media at low speed
2) double check your laptop's BIOS settings. You might want to reun "Reset to Default" in your BIOS in case there is something weird going on
3) double check your partitioning process (use fdisk -l) to see partitions are large enough, etc.
3) re-install system using ReiserFS (I have never had any probs with Reiser on over 50 boxes with VL).
4) if install problems try and get back to root prompt and look at "dmesg" for possible hardware problems.

Personally I suspect hardware issues rather than a VL OS problem, but I could be wrong. You might wanna burn a copy of UBCD (Ultimate Boot CD) and run memtest and the hard drive diagnostics.

[Alf]

Thanks for the advice... had a while where I couldn't mess with it but here are the results:
1) It passed once, failed another, so I downloaded from another site, burned slow and everything passed.
2) Nothing unusual... disabled PnP OS and set everything else back to basics
3) Totally nuked the drive and started over from scratch just to be sure
3) Did that
4) Same result.  I checked "dmesg" and it didn't see any problems.  Also passed all the tests I could find on the UBCD.
This last install the audo-detect had been selecting an invalide refresh rate for the screen and crashing, so I loaded it in VESA mode and there were no crashes.  But still, nothing would run.  Puppy Linux installs without a hitch and works great but the PCMCIA slot doesn't detect and I got burned out trying wrappers.  Vector finds the PCMCIA slot and everything, but won't work.  I guess I'm going to have to go Puppy or Windows 95, but I sure would like to use Vector.  I'll start here on any other laptops I happen into for sure.  Any other ideas?

[Andy Price]

Nothing technical and maybe not what you want to hear, but can you live without KDE? If so, try one of the VL versions with XFCE instead and see if it works. Personally I prefer the ligthweight XFCE desktop on 5.8 Gold. You can still run Open Office etc without KDE. Apologies if I'm stating the obvious!

[lagagnon]

I agree with Andy Price - that machine is borderline for running KDE as you only have 256MB of RAM. You WILL be using swap so your applications will load very slowly. I think you would have a much snappier system using VL 5.8 Standard using the xfce desktop environment.

[Triarius Fidelis]

I agree with Andy Price - that machine is borderline for running KDE as you only have 256MB of RAM. You WILL be using swap so your applications will load very slowly. I think you would have a much snappier system using VL 5.8 Standard using the xfce desktop environment.

Ironically. Konqueror would make sense as a choice of browser, though. If you don't feel strongly about having the source available (I do often read it, so that doesn't include me), there's also Opera.

Or lynx for that matter.

[Alf]

Okie dokie - I tried 5.8 gold and IT WORKED!  Sort of... no crashes but some odd wireless issues I"m going to run by in another post.  Thanks for the help!