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[JohnB316]

I learned today that Apple has released a beta of their latest version of the Safari web browser for Windoze. I'm using it now on a Win2K partition. It seems to work nicely to this point. Apple states that it needs WinXP or Vista to work, but it also works on Win2K. It would be interesting to see whether Apple ports Safari to Linux. Probably won't happen, but...

FWIW,
John

[easuter]

It would be interesting to see whether Apple ports Safari to Linux. Probably won't happen, but...

Probably not, since Safari uses a modified version of Konqueror's KHTML engine (which they very magnanimously released to the Konqueror devs thanks to the GPL  ).

I am surprised that Apple are releasing a version for Windows...didn't see that coming 

[Joe1962]

Damned Apple went and did it for Winders, when it should have been way easier and also shown more appreciation, to have done it for the BSDs and Linux first, seeing as they used khtml...

BTW, it is worse than pre-alpha software. Haven't gone more than 2 minutes with it on any attempt. Crashes by doing just about anything, even clicking on the bookmarks icon.

[Precursor]

BTW, it is worse than pre-alpha software. Haven't gone more than 2 minutes with it on any attempt. Crashes by doing just about anything, even clicking on the bookmarks icon.

Don't ask how Firefox and Opera is working under Windows Vista 32bit version.
I bought Fujitsu-siemens Amilo series laptop 5 weeks ago with Vista preinstalled.Since 2 or 3 critical updates which I've done 2 weeks ago all internet browsers crashes minimum twice per hour expect Explorer 7.Isn't normal? 
I don't wanna even think about Safari stability on Windows platform.

[Precursor]

I am surprised that Apple are releasing a version for Windows...didn't see that coming 

I'm not really suprised.Since I Pod things Apple started new marketing activity which is developing any possible solution for increasing amount of money.

[easuter]

Here is a humorous article from The Inquirer, as usual:

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40266

[easuter]

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,39287595,00.htm

Apparently Steve Jobs thinks this Safari release for Windows will bring Safari's market share to a quarter of the browser market...

Well, he's also the guy who said the Segway would be "as big a deal as the PC". 

[The Headacher]

That guy needs a reality check. The segway is a(n expensive) toy, their crappy browser is a crappy browser, that's all there is to it.

The majority of Wind OS users don't seem to care about using an alternative browser instead of IE, those that do already have plenty of choice. If he honestly believes that browser can get 25% market share he probably also believes in fairytales.

[Triarius Fidelis]

Unfortunately, the Segway is a waste. A man built a self-balancing scooter for a fraction of the price:

http://tlb.org/scooter.html

Nice hack, but even so, self-balancing scooters are pretty pointless when you can add a third wheel.

[saulgoode]

The majority of Wind OS users don't seem to care about using an alternative browser instead of IE, those that do already have plenty of choice. If he honestly believes that browser can get 25% market share he probably also believes in fairytales.

The majority of the Windows users I deal with do not even know what a webbrowser is (bravo, Bill). Suggesting that they can use something other than IE, I am met with blank stares (and at that point I abandon any hope for their salvation).

[Triarius Fidelis]

The majority of Wind OS users don't seem to care about using an alternative browser instead of IE, those that do already have plenty of choice. If he honestly believes that browser can get 25% market share he probably also believes in fairytales.

The majority of the Windows users I deal with do not even know what a webbrowser is (bravo, Bill). Suggesting that they can use something other than IE, I am met with blank stares (and at that point I abandon any hope for their salvation).

It's really easy:

1) Install Firefox
2) Label Firefox on teh desktop 'Internet Explorer'

[rbistolfi]

It's really easy:

1) Install Firefox
2) Label Firefox on teh desktop 'Internet Explorer'

LOL I did that on my father's computer. I think that is forgiven by the Moses Table though  .
Asa Dotzler (the spread ff project leader) visited Argentina recently, the spread firefox project looks very active. I dont know about the results  , but Firefox owns the 20% of the market, which is pretty good given the ie advantages (preinstalled in almost every computer). I dont know if the spread ff project has something to do with that though. The hanimizzle tactic could really work if a lot of people makes a commitment with it, I am with you, I will install ff on every computer I can, at nights.

[GrannyGeek]

I am not a Firefox lover. It's Opera all the way here. When I use Firefox I'm constantly missing features Opera has that Firefox doesn't, or that you need Firefox extensions to get.

I like IE much less than Firefox, though. Unfortunately, I still run across Web sites that don't work with anything but IE. I usually send a complaint to the Webmaster. Maybe if enough of us do that, they'll drop the proprietary stuff.
--GrannyGeek

[GrannyGeek]

The majority of the Windows users I deal with do not even know what a webbrowser is (bravo, Bill).

I wouldn't blame Bill for that. My husband is one of those who doesn't know what a browser is. If I tell him to start the browser, he gives me a blank stare. He's not much of a computer user and since he does e-mail or reads a Web page only after I've got the browser up, he's using Linux and Opera, not Windows and IE. He's probably way more typical of computer users than almost everyone on this board.

Hey, people don't even know what OS they're using, much less what an operating system is. On forums where I do online support we ask people "what version of Windows are you using" and more likely than not, they say "Microsoft Word."
--GrannyGeek

[Lyn]

Hey, people don't even know what OS they're using, much less what an operating system is. On forums where I do online support we ask people "what version of Windows are you using" and more likely than not, they say "Microsoft Word."
--GrannyGeek

I can verify that!  Used to be regularly told by people that their operating system was Windows 97 - meaning that they were running MS Office 97!  When I was still an IT instructor the European Computer Driving License had a module that could best be described as an introduction to computers, where the idea of an operating system was introduced as distinct from application software.  Many students just couldn't understand the distinction and took a long time to get their heads round the concept.  Ask a person what web browser they are running and you get the answer, "its a Dell".   Unfortunately people don't understand the basics, but then on another level why should they, a computer is a tool, if it gets the job done then what does it matter if they don't know their browser from the make of the computer builder?