VectorLinux

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Visit our home page for VL info. For support and documentation, visit the Vector Linux Knowledge Center or search the Knowledge Center and this Forum using the search box above.

Author Topic: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....  (Read 3357 times)

easuter

  • Global Moderator
  • Vectorian
  • *****
  • Posts: 2160
For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« on: June 26, 2007, 03:58:28 pm »

...planning to provide on-demand TV service, but only for Windows users.
There is a petition you can sign that may help prevent that from happening, here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/?showall=1

Quote from: Petition
The BBC plans to launch an on-demand tv service which uses software that will only be available to Windows users. The BBC should not be allowed to show commercial bias in this way, or to exclude certain groups of the population from using its services. The BBC say that they provide 'services for everyone, free of commercial interests and political bias'. Locking the new service's users into Microsoft Windows whilst ignoring those members of society who use other operating systems should does not fit in with the BBC's ethos and should not be allowed.

And at the end of the page:

Quote
Because there are so many signatories, only the most recent 500 are shown on this page.
;D
Logged

Triarius Fidelis

  • Vecteloper
  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 2399
  • Domine, exaudi vocem meam
    • my website
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2007, 08:48:43 pm »

A damn shame they limited the petition only to British citizens.
Logged
"Leatherface, you BITCH! Ho Chi Minh, hah hah hah!"

Formerly known as "Epic Fail Guy" and "Döden" in recent months

carsten

  • Vectorite
  • ***
  • Posts: 137
  • I know why birds sing ...
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2007, 09:10:22 pm »

A damn shame they limited the petition only to British citizens.

S much for the United European Community  ;)
Logged
Tam exacte ut oportet, non ut licet!

Triarius Fidelis

  • Vecteloper
  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 2399
  • Domine, exaudi vocem meam
    • my website
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2007, 09:14:22 pm »

Not to mention Americans. Unless the service is limited to British citizens, they should have opened it up to everyone, like the Sveriges Radio Ogg Vorbis petition. Actually, it should be open either way.

(If you haven't signed the latter, please do. It has only reached 393 signatures thus far. :( )
Logged
"Leatherface, you BITCH! Ho Chi Minh, hah hah hah!"

Formerly known as "Epic Fail Guy" and "Döden" in recent months

Colonel Panic

  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 526
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 11:29:42 pm »


I've signed :) I recommend that not only Vectorites, but users of all other non-Windows OSes, do the same.
Logged

Lyn

  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 661
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 12:55:15 am »

A damn shame they limited the petition only to British citizens.

Its a Downing Street thing.  This is how it is designed by No 10.

Logged

tomh38

  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 913
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 05:57:48 am »

So ... the iPlayer is a Windows proggie and you can only watch these BBC shows if you have it installed?  What format are they using?  I wonder if anybody will get this thing to work under Wine?  I know that's not an ideal solution, especially considering the BBC's mandate, but it might be a decent stop-gap.
Logged
"I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." - Linus Torvalds, April 1991

wcs

  • Packager
  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 1144
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 03:24:02 pm »

I'm wondering about the format as well...

Their current video streams in BBC news are available in wma and real formats if I'm not mistaken. That has been great to watch in VL 5.8, though I remember having to install Real Player (Helix) in VL SOHO 5.0.1, because the mplayer plugin wouldn't do it. That already pissed me off: given that I paid £130/year for the TV license and that money goes to the BBC, it would certainly be nice of them to use non-proprietary formats...
Logged

Lyn

  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 661
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2007, 02:14:20 am »

You will get no disagreement from me on that!  Its a publicly funded body that has a brief to be inpartial.  That should also go with not having a lock in to any one other company in providing services.   I have signed the petition and urge all others in the UK to do likewise.  I suspect for people abroad it may be a bit more complex as the BBC is looking for ways to make money from non license payers. 
Logged

wcs

  • Packager
  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 1144
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 11:04:38 am »

Those that signed the petition must have received the government's reply by now.

Quote
The Government set up the BBC Trust to represent the interests of licence fee payers, and to ensure good governance of the BBC. The BBC Trust has responsibility for ensuring that the correct degree of scrutiny is given to all proposals from the BBC Executive for new services (such as the iPlayer) and any significant changes to existing services. To fulfill this duty, the Trust conducted a Public Value Test on the BBC Executive's proposals to launch new on-demand services, including BBC iPlayer. This included a public consultation and a market impact assessment by Ofcom. In the case of the iPlayer, following the consultation, the Trust noted the strong public demand for the service to be available on a variety of operating systems. The BBC Trust made it a condition of approval for the BBC's on-demand services that the iPlayer is available to users of a range of operating systems, and has given a commitment that it will ensure that the BBC meets this demand as soon as possible. They will measure the BBC's progress on this every six months and publish the findings.

That's GOOD! If it's true.
Logged

saulgoode

  • Vectorite
  • ***
  • Posts: 340
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 12:00:02 pm »

Quote
The BBC Trust made it a condition of approval for the BBC's on-demand services that the iPlayer is available to users of a range of operating systems, and has given a commitment that it will ensure that the BBC meets this demand as soon as possible.

The question remains: how long is 'as soon as possible'? The original BBC proposal suggested a two-year 'grace period' for the Windows-only format -- the government's response doesn't even commit to that.

I hope that the government takes cross-platform compatibility seriously, it would be even better if they endorsed/supported open formats such as Theora and the BBC's own Dirac.
Logged
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.

wcs

  • Packager
  • Vectorian
  • ****
  • Posts: 1144
Re: For those living in the UK, the BBC is....
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2007, 12:17:04 pm »

Quote
The question remains: how long is 'as soon as possible'?

True... I guess I shouldn't be overly optimistic about this.

To be fair, I don't even know if I would use it as much. It's just a matter of principle.
Logged