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Dweeberkitty
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« on: August 16, 2007, 12:52:10 pm »

I would like to start working on the Video Production bonus disc for Vector Linux. Here are some of the apps that come to mind for me:

Video Editing:
Cinelerra:         http://cvs.cinelerra.org
Kino:            www.kinodv.org
Blender:         www.blender.org
LiVES:                 http://lives.sourceforge.net/
Jashaka:         http://www.jahshaka.org/
KdenLive      http://www.uchian.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kdenlive.html
Cutter         http://www.florath.net/Cutter/
Kfilm            http://kfilm.sourceforge.net/
CinePaint     http://www.cinepaint.org/
Stills2dv      http://deniscarl.com/stills2dv/
PiTiVi          http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page
AVIDEMUX                   http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
GIMP Animation Package (assumes GIMP) http://gimp.org/
LVE (unknown project status)                   http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/
Zwei-Stein*                                             http://www.zs4.net/

Audio Editing:
Audacity:         http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
Ardour:         http://www.ardour.org/
Sweep                                     http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/index.html
MHWaveEdit                             https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/

Video Encoding:
Transcode:         http://www.transcoding.org
Tovid:              http://tovid.sourceforge.net
Mplayer/Mencoder         http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html
FFMPEG2THEORA        http://www.v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/
OGGZ TOOLS (part of the Annodex project) http://trac.annodex.net/wiki
Kmpg2                      http://kmpg2.sourceforge.net/

DVD Production:
ManDVD:                http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38347
DVDStyler:             http://www.dvdstyler.de/
QdvdAuthor:           http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/
Dvdripomatic                 http://dvdripomatic.sourceforge.net/
Dvdauthorwizard             http://dvdauthorwizard.sourceforge.net/view.php/page/Voorpagina
K9copy                          http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/


If you want an application included on the bonus disc, just post it below (along with the website). Please have your apps organized under the categories that I have listed above. Don't include the deps just yet, we'll do that later. I want to try to fill up a whole cd with video production programs. This might be kind of hard to find that many programs. So, if the applications that you recommend are actually useful and not corny, you can probably bet that it will be included in the bonus disc 'cause we're going to need a lot of them to fill up a whole disc!

After we get a reasonably good set of programs we will list them all out and their dependencies and start compiling away. Many of the programs are already in the repositories so we will need to make sure that they and their dependencies are the latest stable versions and go from there.

Well, if you know of a good video production tool for Linux, post it below and we'll see what we can do!
« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 01:57:59 pm by Dweeberkitty » Logged

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 02:33:29 pm »

Video Editing:
AVIDEMUX                   http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
GIMP Animation Package (assumes GIMP) http://gimp.org/
LVE (unknown project status)                   http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/
Zwei-Stein*                                             http://www.zs4.net/

Audio Editing:
Sweep                                     http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/index.html
MHWaveEdit                             https://gna.org/projects/mhwaveedit/

Video Encoding:
Mplayer/Mencoder         http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html
FFMPEG2THEORA        http://www.v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/
OGGZ TOOLS (part of the Annodex project) http://trac.annodex.net/wiki

* NOTE: Zwei-Stein is not Open Source but the binaries are licensed for free use and can be redistributed. There is a stipulation against including Zwei-Stein in a commercial product -- this would preclude it from being included in any VL Deluxe offering.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 11:32:21 pm »

I suppose I'll try building ardour again. I was still planning to make a package, but haven't done so yet.

ps. A video bonus disc seems the wrong place for ardour, but that's not really my problem is it Wink.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 03:32:46 am »

I don't use KDE but I can't deny how much I like these "K" video tools. Of course the KDE deps can't be included, but do all the deps need to be on the CD?

k9copy http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/

These use the mjpeg tools.  Slow but I love the quality.  His "wizards" really do take the guess work out of the encoding process.

kmpg2 http://kmpg2.sourceforge.net/  <----- This one is VERY handy
dvdripomatic http://dvdripomatic.sourceforge.net/
dvdauthor http://dvdauthorwizard.sourceforge.net/view.php/page/Voorpagina
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 01:53:42 pm »

ps. A video bonus disc seems the wrong place for ardour, but that's not really my problem is it Wink.
Yeah, Ardour will be included in the Musicians bonus cd. I kind of forgot that it's not really a sound editor.

Here are some more apps that I found:

Video Editing:
KdenLive      http://www.uchian.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kdenlive.html
Cutter         http://www.florath.net/Cutter/
Kfilm            http://kfilm.sourceforge.net/
CinePaint     http://www.cinepaint.org/
Stills2dv      http://deniscarl.com/stills2dv/
PiTiVi          http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page


Video Encoding:
Konverter     http://www.kraus.tk/projects/konverter/
Kmenc15      http://kmenc15.sourceforge.net/

We still need more though. Keep them coming and I'll add them to the list!


« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 01:55:49 pm by Dweeberkitty » Logged

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 06:35:14 pm »

There are plenty of cool scripts for Blender out there as well. I'm not sure how well they work with current versions of Blender though. If we collaborate we'll find out which are suitable for inclusion ( I only use Blender occasionally only to find out I've spent too little time to make some good animations ).

As for Ardour, I found out the current release (2.0.5) won't build on a clean VL 5.8 because the alsa version included is too old. Apparently this is solved in the SVN version. So I can either
1) build a new alsa-lib and ardour-2.0.5 .
2) build ardour from SVN .
3) wait for ardour 2.0.6 and build that .

Personally I favor #3, because upgrading alsa-lib might have some nasty side-effects and building from SVN can cause messy versions in the repo. However, I have no idea when 2.0.6 will be released.
Any thoughts on this?

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Ardour will be included in the Musicians bonus cd. I kind of forgot that it's not really a sound editor.
Apparently it's a lot more than just an audio editor, but I haven't had the chance to use properly yet.

As for sound editors, may I please ask that they'd be built with Jack support? If needed, I'll build the programs that are able to use Jack. I know other people might not have a lot of use for Jack, but if we're gonna have both a musicians and a video editors bonus cd it would be sort of weird to have 2 (or more) different packages for these cd's. Jack is like the Swiss army knife for audio, and including support for it usually doesn't result in binaries that are much bigger. There's a jack package in the repository ( built by yours truly ), and so far it's done a great job.

ps.  I'm not promising anything yet, but if this works out well I might put in some effort on the "Musicians" "bonus CD".  I currently don't know anybody else that uses VL for composing music, but if there's enough takers I'll be glad to put in the effort to make VL a true multimedia workstation.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2007, 09:55:06 am »

I think some audio tools needs to be included in a video workstation. If you make an animation with blender or you edit a video, you may want to add some audio too. I used Ardour in recent project I was working on, and did a good job as a multitrack editor.
Of course, people could get the video and the musicians cds  to cover all the angles...
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 10:38:44 am »

Why not just make a Multimedia bonus disk intead of separate Audio/Video bonus disks?
IMHO, and from the little audio and video editing that I've done, audio and video tools go hand-in hand quite a lot to accomplish all the tasks necessary...
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2007, 11:17:37 am »

http://www.moonlight3d.eu/cms/

A new app for 3d modeling, I think java based. Looks promising.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2007, 02:45:11 pm »

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Ardour will be included in the Musicians bonus cd. I kind of forgot that it's not really a sound editor.
ps.  I'm not promising anything yet, but if this works out well I might put in some effort on the "Musicians" "bonus CD".  I currently don't know anybody else that uses VL for composing music, but if there's enough takers I'll be glad to put in the effort to make VL a true multimedia workstation.

I'm a musician (more specifically a pianist) and I've lately been using VL for some composition.

Why not just make a Multimedia bonus disk intead of separate Audio/Video bonus disks?
IMHO, and from the little audio and video editing that I've done, audio and video tools go hand-in hand quite a lot to accomplish all the tasks necessary...

That's a good point. I think however, that the purpose of the Video disc will be to create finished video products. This includes sound editing. The Musician's disc on the other hand will be strictly for composition. We might call it a "Multimedia Production Disc" in the end, but that's just the name.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2007, 11:32:10 pm »

Perhaps video production is a bit more specialised than it needs to be. We've got a whole CD to fill, so there's probably room for more general multimedia stuff, which would broaden the appeal of the disc.

We need a place for packagers to discuss the nuts and bolts so it all holds together and we avoid duplication. Is this the place?
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2007, 11:09:58 pm »

If there is room on the Bonus Disk, I would propose adding a desktop video capture program such as RecordMyDesktop. There may be other programs which accomplish this, I haven't researched it,  but the capability should be of benefit to many media creators.
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