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Author Topic: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances  (Read 55217 times)

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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #105 on: November 03, 2007, 02:51:30 pm »

I refer the honourable gentleman to the problem I outlined earlier, ie try to run anything from the command line and the system crashes.  :-( 
Oh, that's not nice. No problem here though.

Mind you if it was on the fluxbox menu then it should be on the xfce menu too.  The menus should be as much as possible showing the same things.
My thoughts exactly, I was discussing that on the IRC last night.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #106 on: November 03, 2007, 03:31:40 pm »

I have trouubles with terminal too, it appears with weird graphics and unusable. I have to do ALT+F2 and run xterm.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #107 on: November 03, 2007, 04:59:28 pm »

No problems with Terminal here.  But I'm having cd/dvd issues. Once again I have two drives.  One is a dvd/cd writer, the other is a straight cdrom.

Xfburn doesn't show devices on my machine, nor will it dectect them from the preferences window. Root or user.
I'm only able to burn via command line: cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=/dev/hdc testimage.iso as root, not user.

Using HAL

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdr -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdr1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/cdrom -> cdrom0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hdd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdrw1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/cdwriter -> cdrw1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/cdwriter1 -> /dev/hdc
vector:/~
leeh:$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvd1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdrw1 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 13:08 /dev/dvdwriter -> dvdrw1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/dvdwriter1 -> /dev/hdc
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leeh:$ ls -l /dev/{hdc,hdd}
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22,  0 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/hdc
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-11-03 09:08 /dev/hdd

icon with description of contents of dvd or cd displayed on desktop when loading disc.


Using VL Hot

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/cd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdr -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdr0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/cdrom -> cdrom1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdd
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdrw0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/cdwriter -> cdrw0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/cdwriter0 -> /dev/hdc

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/dvd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvd0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdrw -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdrw0 -> /dev/hdc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-03 19:19 /dev/dvdwriter -> dvdrw0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/dvdwriter0 -> /dev/hdc

leeh:$ ls -l /dev/{hdc,hdd}
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22,  0 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/hdc
brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2007-11-03 15:18 /dev/hdd

What's with the timestamps in the links (Hal & Hot)??
Because of the links pointing to links, the cdrom's come up in the wrong order with Hal or vlHot. But the links are not consistant so many apps with settings hardcoded like Xine or Mplayer, will fail to find devices.

When using anything with vsuper the numlock led will go out. But keys are still locked.

Not "end of the world" issues, but if others are having problems, it would be nice to resolve early on.

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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #108 on: November 03, 2007, 07:00:54 pm »

Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2007, 07:17:40 pm »

Have been away for 3 weeks hence my late entry to test this beast. Here is what I have found, from what I consider to be most serious to the least serious:

1) during alsaconfig, the last screen, it asks user if he/she wants to edit the sound config file. If user chooses NO (which I successfully did with VL5.8) the alsa config fails. If choice is YES, alsa config is fine ???

2) using hald, icons for devices appear on screen but as a normal user I always get the message "Unable to mount XXX"! Then the icon gets moved after closing the error box ???

3) volume control applet not working as described above by another user

4) I don't have wifi but attempting to launch the wifi-radar and vwifi icons from the menu results in nothing, no error messages. Launched from a terminal there are error messages.

5) please turn off by default the checkbox during the exit screen which says: "Save Session for Future Logins". In xfce this results in nothing but problems for newbies who might bugger up their desktop and never get it back to where it was.

6) do we really want to provide 2 extra desktop environments (fluxbox and jwm??). I thought a decision was made in VL5.8 Standard to have only the one so that we could "perfect" it - rather than spend volunteer's time making sure all the menus matched (at present they don't)!

6) VASM does not have an entry in the System Menu, it is only on the desktop.

7) personally I think crond should be run by default so that users logs get rotated.

8) KDM login screen looks much nicer with antialiasing enabled. To do so edit /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and uncomment the line AntiAliasing=true.

9) the newish install screens have some English, punctuation and text formatting errors -no big deal but it looks a tad unprofessional IMHO. Such screens include the X11 resolution choice screen which needs text reformatting and the KB map and layout screen which has punctuation errors, amongst a couple of others I noticed during the install.

Larry
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2007, 07:19:30 pm »

Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

Both work fine on my machine. I suggest you might not have the correct video module/driver loaded or something is amiss with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #111 on: November 03, 2007, 08:37:45 pm »

Beta-2.8

I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

Both work fine on my machine. I suggest you might not have the correct video module/driver loaded or something is amiss with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

Just to say it, both applications work fine in VL-5.8-STD.

I copied the xorg.conf from VL58 to VL59 at one time and I still get the crashes. Even so I too suspect it is in the xorg.conf of VL59 but where.

I will compare the output of lsmod to see if there is a difference.

What is the difference from starting a program in X from a terminal on the one hand or from starting from the menu of the xfce4 panel? Where the latter causes crashes????

Just found it. The difference is that starting from the menu panel frozen-bubble is set to play fullscreen. Removing now that flag the program starts from the menu panel just as from a terminal.
Megamario apparently can only start full screen  and therefore crashes on my system when started within X. However, it can be started from the console outside X and so can frozen-bubble --fullscreen.

So where is the bug in VL5.9?
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2007, 01:29:37 am »

its amazing how simple little games help notice issues with X that need to be adressed. I agree that only one desktop environment should be worked on.The menu entry problems are minor,compared to others.
I am sorry i cannot curently help and test,for i dont have an avaiable machine at my disposal  :(
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #113 on: November 04, 2007, 02:25:08 am »

I refer the honourable gentleman to the problem I outlined earlier, ie try to run anything from the command line and the system crashes.  :-( 
Oh, that's not nice. No problem here though.

Mind you if it was on the fluxbox menu then it should be on the xfce menu too.  The menus should be as much as possible showing the same things.
My thoughts exactly, I was discussing that on the IRC last night.


Then I'd go with one window manager/environment so to minimise the issues.

As mentioned no VASM entry in the menu, only on the desktop

Maybe the issues when launching a terminal or an application that runs in a terminal (like Htop) but accessed from the menu is due to my graphics?  An onboard i810 graphics chip, with shared ram.

I didn't have the crashes on my old system (before that went west on me).
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #114 on: November 04, 2007, 03:10:53 am »

This is more a peculiarity than anything else.

Using beta 2.8, with HAL enabled (still getting a [failed] message on setting up hald during boot), if I double-click on an HTML file on a CD, it opens in Opera, rather than Seamonkey, which I have set as the default browser. Strange... HAL mounting and unmounting is working fine for me in this beta.

I've only got Seamonkey and Opera installed (I deslected Dillo and Firefox during the install).

paul
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances: volume control / mixer
« Reply #115 on: November 04, 2007, 06:35:36 am »

HI,

I know what is supposed to be there when I click on the speaker icon in the taskbar. I should have a volume slider. However there is nothing there. Just the empty application control with no sliders. I tried to fix it with the hardware detection of VASM, but that did not do it.

Thanks

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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #116 on: November 04, 2007, 06:42:15 am »

Curious performance issue:
Boot is quick, but it takes about 10 seconds longer to power off than 5.8 SOHO. Ten seconds is not the end of the world, but in my case it is almost twice of what I'm used to.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #117 on: November 04, 2007, 08:07:39 am »

Megamario apparently can only start full screen  and therefore crashes on my system when started within X. However, it can be started from the console outside X and so can frozen-bubble --fullscreen.
So where is the bug in VL5.9?
Do you have an nVidia card and if so did you choose to load the proper nVidia drivers during the install (ie do you get the nice nVidia logo just before the logion screen?)?
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #118 on: November 04, 2007, 08:57:09 am »

Quote
I just found that frozen-bubble crashes and kills X when started from the xfce-panel menu, however, not when started as a command from a terminal.

Megamario crashes and kills X regardless how it is started.

The difference may be that when frozen-bubble is launched via the menu entry, it's launched with command:
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frozen-bubble --fullscreen
Megamario is fullscreen by default I believe, I'm guessing this is hardware specific/Xorg related.

Try launching frozen-bubble with
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frozen-bubble --fullscreen
from the command line for me if you would just to satisfy my curiosity please.
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Re: VL-5.9-STD-BETA2 Bugs/annoyances
« Reply #119 on: November 04, 2007, 09:39:08 am »

Two problems, both with beta 2.8.

I just attempted to use Gslapt to update all the new packages in testing. And its still locking up. It will install one or two packages, then go to sleep, have to use kill to get rid of it. Eventually will complete, but it meant I had to kill it three or four time before it did.

Also, the updated version of MC still doesn't open .tzl packages. No longer produces an error, just doesn't do anything.

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