Well, I'm using the Standard 5.8, which only includes those. Otherwise I'm confident that the Slackware packaging system works, which I fould quite nice. To be honest I find it cool, that one is so close to the system (not like in (K)Ubuntu for example). I would really appreciate if the issue with the ATI devices gets resolved some time soon. I know in particular that the Linux drivers of ATI are piece of ... Anyway, Vector's a great distribution. Glad I tried it!