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Author Topic: VL 6.0 schedule  (Read 18019 times)

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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2007, 02:07:54 pm »

Cool about the slapt-update-notifier. No sense in re inventing the wheel.  I guess I'm not getting how showing one repo in the slapt-getrc is going to let people use slapt-get or gslapt get packages out of extra or testing though? It's probably something trivial that's gonna make me feel like a bonehead right?  :D

The way i think it would be doe is you have a script called update or something. it replaces the users slapt-getrc with one that has only patches enabled then runs slapt-get --update and slapt-get --upgrade then replaces the users slapt-getrc.
I am pretty sure thats how its done in MMBD.


You are right, that's how I did it. It works well too.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2007, 03:32:59 pm »

hmmm, I prefer a script available for the user via vasm (even if it just launch gslapt with just patches enabled) than a daemon running in the background to notify an upgrade here and there.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2007, 03:48:26 pm »

I installed it. Looks like it uses around 8mb of mem. I am not sure how it works, could any packager to upgrade one package to test it? :D
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2007, 01:39:38 am »

Hey ...

Maybe a name change would help!

Some possibilities:

01) Pornix
02) Viagrix
03) Cialix
04) Vectintosh
05) iVector
06) Tickle Me Vector
07) Vistix
08) Googlix
09) McDonlix
10) Vectoria's Secret
Brilliant!
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2007, 02:04:59 am »

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The way i think it would be doe is you have a script called update or something. it replaces the users slapt-getrc with one that has only patches enabled then runs slapt-get --update and slapt-get --upgrade then replaces the users slapt-getrc.
Don't touch my slapt-getrc!!! Use  the --config option instead (see "man slapt-get").

So first we disable the "upgrade" function in gslapt, and now we're going to look into a deamon that notifies of updates?? Sorry guys, but that's one of the silliest things I've heard in this thread. Perhaps we should have a good long think about a policy to the whole update/upgrade thing, rather than doing whatever we feel like just because we feel like it.
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Looks like it uses around 8mb of mem.
What a waste of memory....
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2007, 05:20:07 am »

We were just exploring ways of "selective" upgrading in case more frequent, and smaller releases became a reality.  What would you suggest?  ;)

Edit:  Just wanted to add that not everyone is concerned about a extra daemon, or a bit more memory used.  Many have robust machines that would never notice.  I'm sure there is a percentage of users that we have, or may have in the future that will find this sort of thing comforting.  And surely the devs wouldn't set it up in a way that it couldn't be easily enabled/disabled.

My specs are pretty humble on this machine, and in all my installs it's rare that I bother disabling all the extra doo-dads that VL see's fit to have running by default.  I can't even remember the last I've bothered to actually hook up my printer, and Cups is always running.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2007, 07:44:07 am »

Reading this thread I can't help wondering, how many people actually do use Vector for what it's best for? (I refer here to the SOHO edition.) There is no real serious other distro that advertises itself as focused on the small office, home office segment of the market AFAIK.

What might be failing to attract these kinds of users is an affordable and available professional way to install a networked system for these kinds of users. There is no real 'do-it-yourself' mentality as far as networked systems are concerned in that area of the market. What small office can afford to have a systems administrator? What small office employee knows about setting up security? And who knows how to maximize functionality under stringent security rules? Not your average desktop user. Nor your average small office employee.

Come with that, that everyone knows how to safe a Word document, and nobody has heard of OOo. Integrating spreadsheet data in MS-Word?? Who has mastered that is not likely to ever change horses.

In business, you don't want change :panic: but dependability and predictability. My bet, you never saw an add asking for someone experienced with OOo Calc. You should realize that you _are_ competing with a well known software company on this one. But at a disadvantage, because Vector isn't a household name. If they don't know you, they're not buying. Or in the immortal words of someone interviewed about the effect of marketing:"I don't pay attention to commercials, I just buy the well known products".


On the upside: Vector _is_ better than it's main competitor.


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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2007, 09:08:25 am »

We were just exploring ways of "selective" upgrading in case more frequent, and smaller releases became a reality.  What would you suggest? ;)
Just don't. Look at how much effort 2 releases (standard and soho) a year takes. Distro upgrading is THE way to break everything. I'd rather have an extra test partition and install from an .iso / cd than having to upgrade and risk my perfectly working install. Also, a distro is more than a selection of packages.
 
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Edit:  Just wanted to add that not everyone is concerned about a extra daemon, or a bit more memory used.  Many have robust machines that would never notice.  I'm sure there is a percentage of users that we have, or may have in the future that will find this sort of thing comforting. 
And that's how every distro becomes bloated... It can be applied to pretty much every service.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2007, 10:36:08 am »

I have to agree with The Headacher on this one. Take a look to your htop. Around 150mb of memory is used after boot. Most of the process dont uses more than 1% of mem. Is the sum of little process how a system becomes bloated. In the other hand, is not about older / newer hardware. Is about efficency and simplicity. Even if I could have the faster box on Earth, I prefer to be noticed in the forum, or just not be noticed, than having a daemon. In my third hand  ::), the objetive of a faster development cycle is just get more publicity at Dw.

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Looks like it uses around 8mb of mem.
What a waste of memory....

I am courious about how the icon looks :)
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2007, 11:10:00 am »

Hey ...

Maybe a name change would help!

Some possibilities:

01) Pornix
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10) Vectoria's Secret
Brilliant!
Were I still in charge here, you'd so have the custom-title "Wordsmithling" slapped on your account.....

Maybe we should take a page from Pepsi and offer users the refreshing new taste of 'Crystal Vector'.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2007, 12:19:53 pm »

On a personal note, I use Vector in my professional home office.

I used it on-site for an R&D firm as their engineer.  I also used it as my base of operations for maintaining network health and security.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2007, 10:47:11 pm »

I don't want to see more frequent releases. In fact, I think Linux releases come out too often. An updated version of VectorLinux every couple of years would be plenty for me.

Couldn't users simply disable everything but the patches repository for a gslapt round every month or two and install those that are relevant to them?

I agree that a major overhaul of the vectorlinux Web site is needed.

A Debian-based VL? Eeeeek!! I like using a Slackware-based distro. I've tried other distros but I've never found one I like as well as VL.

I don't think DistroWatch rankings mean much. A distro with lots of users may get a high rating simply because there are more users to go to DistroWatch and click on their distro.

I don't understand the buzz over Ubuntu. I don't think it is easier to use than other distros and I don't like how it uses sudo when it should be using su.

I'm perfectly content with VL's text installer. I don't see why developers' time should be wasted on coming up with a graphical installer. There are things that could be done to improve the text installer, such as having context-sensitive help available throughout. The partitioning section is what would be hardest for a real newbie, though I'm not sure a graphical partitioning tool makes it all that much easier.
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2007, 12:25:25 am »

I'm perfectly content with VL's text installer. I don't see why developers' time should be wasted on coming up with a graphical installer. There are things that could be done to improve the text installer, such as having context-sensitive help available throughout. The partitioning section is what would be hardest for a real newbie, though I'm not sure a graphical partitioning tool makes it all that much easier.
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I agree with it 100% :)
I try install FreeBSD/PCBSD once and I found out that it got a wizard mode to prepare the HDD/partition for installation. Is there a way we can create the same option for VL??
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2007, 03:05:22 am »

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I try install FreeBSD/PCBSD once and I found out that it got a wizard mode to prepare the HDD/partition for installation. Is there a way we can create the same option for VL??

This and a lot more is being developed in the graphical installer.
I can assure you that the graphical installer will not be a dumbing down like most distros do. You will have the option to "auto-install", which is very useful on a fresh hard-drive (swap and root drives are automatically created and all packages are installed).
Then there is the "advanced" mode, where you can select pre-made partitions, create new ones with GParted, and customize the package selection.
And at the same time, we are keeping it lighter and faster than any of the other graphical installers of the "big" distros. My dev box is an old computer, so the code has to run fast on mine otherwise I don't commit it (a selfish reason, I know, but good for everyone) ;).
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Re: VL 6.0 schedule
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2007, 03:25:14 am »

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I try install FreeBSD/PCBSD once and I found out that it got a wizard mode to prepare the HDD/partition for installation. Is there a way we can create the same option for VL??

This and a lot more is being developed in the graphical installer.
I can assure you that the graphical installer will not be a dumbing down like most distros do. You will have the option to "auto-install", which is very useful on a fresh hard-drive (swap and root drives are automatically created and all packages are installed).
Then there is the "advanced" mode, where you can select pre-made partitions, create new ones with GParted, and customize the package selection.
And at the same time, we are keeping it lighter and faster than any of the other graphical installers of the "big" distros. My dev box is an old computer, so the code has to run fast on mine otherwise I don't commit it (a selfish reason, I know, but good for everyone) ;).

Nice...it will be a good news for any Linux new comer to try out Linux especially VL. :)
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