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« on: January 05, 2008, 09:48:41 pm » |
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Hello,
First of all, thank you for such a wonderful distribution. Thank you!
Now, i installed 5.9 on my Compaq Evo N630c and everything works perfectly. The thing is that it's a little bit slower than 5.8. For instance, if i'm surfing the internet with Firefox and i'm saving a file there is always like a 2 second freeze. Or if i am using VASM it will also take some time to browse through it.
Any suggestions?
By the way, i really loved it when i could choose the window manager in 5.1 ( i loved IceWM ). I never really understood the move to XFCE.
Thanks.
Gus
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 02:10:27 am » |
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i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 08:21:37 am » |
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For instance, if i'm surfing the internet with Firefox and i'm saving a file there is always like a 2 second freeze. Or if i am using VASM it will also take some time to browse through it. Any suggestions?
You probably should anaylze the output from the following commands, done while you are experiencing the slowness - top : do you have any errant processes using 100% CPU ? free: show us what your RAM usage is df: show is how full your mounted disk drives are By the way, i really loved it when i could choose the window manager in 5.1 ( i loved IceWM ). I never really understood the move to XFCE.
5.9 is provided with fluxbox and jwm as alternate managers, just choose them in the login screen. If you want IceWM I think it is in our repositories. The use of xfce is probably because it is a much easier environment for newbies to deal with than IceWM or fluxbox, and is still highly customizable by geeks. Thanks. Gus [/quote] |
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 08:23:33 am » |
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i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried
I'm not having that problem with firefox. What sort of system do you have? - look at the output of the commands I suggested above, launch firefox from a terminal and see if there are any errors, look at your ~/.xsession-errors file and see if you are getting any errors there. |
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Triarius Fidelis
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 09:57:56 am » |
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i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried
I'm not having that problem with firefox. What sort of system do you have? - look at the output of the commands I suggested above, launch firefox from a terminal and see if there are any errors, look at your ~/.xsession-errors file and see if you are getting any errors there. It's probably Firefox's (and indeed, seemingly all other Gecko browsers') massive bloatedness. The standard semi-fix for that problem with the current crop of Gecko browsers is to enter about:config in the address bar and set browser.cache.memory.enable to false then browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers to 0. However, even that is of limited effectiveness on Firefox and Seamonkey. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 11:20:16 am » |
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This may not be relevant, but I HAVE noticed reduced responsiveness in the browser when using Firefox (as root, through help/upgrade menu option) to upgrade to the latest version. I've been able to resolve the sluggishness but simply upgrading via gslapt; that is now the only way I'll upgrade firefox. FWIW.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 03:51:19 pm » |
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lagagnon, with only Firefox and the terminal running i have: top - 17:19:41 up 1:48, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.15, 0.10
Tasks: 72 total, 2 running, 70 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 1.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 511044k total, 346164k used, 164880k free, 37620k buffers
Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 191928k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
2997 root 15 0 114m 27m 7668 S 0.3 5.5 2:48.06 X
3069 usr 16 0 14628 8124 6040 S 0.3 1.6 0:03.61 xfwm4
3086 usr 15 0 19976 11m 7100 R 0.3 2.4 0:02.22 terminal
3557 usr 15 0 2316 1116 872 R 0.3 0.2 0:00.02 top
1 root 15 0 772 300 252 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.81 init
2 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
5 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 events/0
6 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
87 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/0
88 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:21.00 kacpid
89 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:11.47 kacpi_notify
222 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tifm
223 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata/0
224 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux
225 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksuspend_usbd
228 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd
230 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.08 kseriod
247 root 25 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pdflush
248 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.16 pdflush
249 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kswapd0
250 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0
251 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 jfsIO
252 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 jfsCommit
253 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 jfsSync
254 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 xfslogd/0
255 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 xfsdatad/0
1022 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pccardd
1024 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pccardd
1075 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kpsmoused
1080 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kmmcd
1103 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 reiserfs/0
1158 root 17 -4 2508 1204 380 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.45 udevd
2534 root 15 0 2504 984 588 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 mount.ntfs-3g
2628 root 18 0 1708 572 480 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.02 syslogd
2631 root 15 0 1668 408 340 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 klogd
2699 root 15 0 1656 532 464 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.01 acpid
2773 messageb 16 0 2264 780 644 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 dbus-daemon
2873 root 18 0 5992 1940 1376 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.00 cupsd
2884 root 15 0 1688 228 152 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.21 dhcpcd
2897 root 15 0 3120 856 712 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 kdm
2946 root 15 0 1648 444 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
2947 root 16 0 1652 452 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
2956 root 16 0 1648 448 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
2965 root 17 0 1648 448 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
2974 root 16 0 1652 452 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
2983 root 16 0 1648 448 388 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 mingetty
3000 root 17 0 3420 1280 976 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.00 kdm
3029 usr 23 0 3196 1584 1004 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.02 sh
3052 usr 15 0 4344 2168 1620 S 0.0 0.4 0:01.17 xscreensaver
3055 usr 24 0 3464 592 360 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 ssh-agent
3061 usr 15 0 2868 740 588 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 dbus-launch
3062 usr 15 0 2268 836 692 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 dbus-daemon
3064 usr 15 0 14968 8148 5524 S 0.0 1.6 0:00.16 xfce4-session
3067 usr 15 0 14928 5556 3016 S 0.0 1.1 0:01.35 xfce-mcs-manage
3071 usr 15 0 17756 10m 6784 S 0.0 2.1 0:14.10 xfce4-panel
3073 usr 15 0 51216 12m 7492 S 0.0 2.4 0:00.36 Thunar
3075 usr 15 0 2704 1252 952 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 gam_server
3077 usr 15 0 51644 11m 7728 S 0.0 2.3 0:00.58 xfdesktop
3078 usr 15 0 16996 9.9m 6404 S 0.0 2.0 0:00.40 xfce4-menu-plug
3083 usr 19 0 15376 8096 5940 S 0.0 1.6 0:00.13 xfce4-mount-plu
3084 usr 15 0 17740 9.8m 6448 S 0.0 2.0 0:00.24 xfce4-mixer-plu
3087 usr 15 0 2460 748 632 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 gnome-pty-helpe
3088 usr 15 0 3536 1964 1228 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.02 bash
3167 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.71 truecryptq/0
3181 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 kjournald
3482 usr 22 0 2664 1272 972 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 firefox
3483 usr 22 0 3204 1600 1016 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.00 firefox
3486 usr 25 0 3252 1652 1016 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.01 run-mozilla.sh
3491 usr 15 0 134m 40m 18m S 0.0 8.2 0:13.61 firefox-bin
3497 usr 18 0 3876 2180 1788 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.01 gconfd-2 usr:$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 511044 346504 164540 0 37748 191952
-/+ buffers/cache: 116804 394240
Swap: 0 0 0 usr:$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda4 9765200 3863004 5902196 40% /
tmpfs 255520 0 255520 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1 8792248 3144252 5647996 36% /mnt/hda1 VASMCC is not as slow as when i first installed Vector. . . ( ? ). And i'll try the other window managers when i reboot my computer, thanks for pointing that out. And thanks hanumizzle. Has it happened to anybody that when Firefox comes upon a file whose type it doesn't recognize and you have to set the file associations. . . doesn't it take forever for the dialog box to display the contents of /usr/bin/ /usr/X11/bin/ and /usr/X11R6/bin/? Gus |
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 04:36:48 pm » |
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Has it happened to anybody that when Firefox comes upon a file whose type it doesn't recognize and you have to set the file associations. . . doesn't it take forever for the dialog box to display the contents of /usr/bin/ /usr/X11/bin/ and /usr/X11R6/bin/?
Gus
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 04:43:34 pm » |
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hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help.
lagagnon: .xsession-errors shows no errors in Firefox, as far as i can see. I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox?
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 04:53:03 pm » |
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The huge amount of files. /usr/bin, for instance, contains 2,455 files on my system. Maybe that's my problem. If i'm going to save a file in a folder with lots of files in it, then it slows down ( . . . have to check closely ). I guess it's a processor speed thing ( 1.4 GHz ). By the way, nice front page! Gus |
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 05:05:51 pm » |
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you should give one of the ck-kernels a try, maybe they will give you a boost as well.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 05:24:45 pm » |
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hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 06:17:10 pm » |
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I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox? Nevermind. . . got it. hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help. Good to know *smile* Heh, http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZBQiiUfcps |
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2008, 10:21:48 pm » |
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I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox?
Fluxbox does not have that mount widget that xfce does. Consequently, you either have to set /etc/fstab to auto mount the drive at bootup or make sure HAL or vl-hot are running for detachable devices to be recognized. Either that or you have to mount by hand in a terminal, e.g.: #mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp What exactly do you want to mount? |
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2008, 10:30:16 pm » |
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This thread bothers me. I run Vector 5.8 standard on my Omnibook 900b 650 mhz with 256 ram. I use it about 8 hours a day. It is rock solid. I took (according to lagagnon) a sledgehammer to it a couple of months ago and broke the "file open" gadget in Thunar, so I now open files mostly in xfe. I have all the programs loaded for my business and all of them work perfectly. Seamonkey is fast. I have only Vector on my machine (no dual boot) and three partitions [swap (hda1), boot (hda2) and home(hda3)]. Boot has the programs and Home the data.
As I write, I am downloading Vector 5.9 (BitTorrent). No earthly reason why, if you come right down to it, except perhaps, it might be better (hope springs eternal) - and I would probably get a fully functioning Thunar again, which I don't much care about. And I would be using the operating system our club is now giving out to underprivileged kids, so would better be able to explain it to them.
Anyway, I have loaded Vector 5.8 standard on a machine I don't much like (HP Compaq NC6000), with three identical partitions. My plan is to load 5.9 on the NC6000 to make sure I can do it without destroying data on the Home partition and, if so, to then load 5.9 on my Omnbook..
Now, I read that 5.9 might be slower than 5.8.
As I said, this bothers me.
1) Does anyone know if it is likely that 5.9 will run slower on my Omnibook?
2) Will I be able to still get my wonderful but perhaps weird programs (particularly lyx) off of gslapt?
John
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