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Author Topic: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish  (Read 14145 times)

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5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« on: January 05, 2008, 09:48:41 pm »
Hello,

First of all, thank you for such a wonderful distribution. Thank you!

Now, i installed 5.9 on my Compaq Evo N630c and everything works perfectly. The thing is that it's a little bit slower than 5.8. For instance, if i'm surfing the internet with Firefox and i'm saving a file there is always like a 2 second freeze. Or if i am using VASM it will also take some time to browse through it.

Any suggestions?

By the way, i really loved it when i could choose the window manager in 5.1 ( i loved IceWM ). I never really understood the move to XFCE.

Thanks.

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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2008, 02:10:27 am »
i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2008, 08:21:37 am »
Quote from: gacl on January 05, 2008, 09:48:41 pm
For instance, if i'm surfing the internet with Firefox and i'm saving a file there is always like a 2 second freeze. Or if i am using VASM it will also take some time to browse through it. Any suggestions?
You probably should anaylze the output from the following commands, done while you are experiencing the slowness -
top : do you have any errant processes using 100% CPU ?
free: show us what your RAM usage is
df: show is how full your mounted disk drives are

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By the way, i really loved it when i could choose the window manager in 5.1 ( i loved IceWM ). I never really understood the move to XFCE.
5.9 is provided with fluxbox and jwm as alternate managers, just choose them in the login screen. If you want IceWM I think it is in our repositories. The use of xfce is probably because it is a much easier environment for newbies to deal with than IceWM or fluxbox, and is still highly customizable by geeks.
Thanks.

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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 08:23:33 am »
Quote from: federico on January 06, 2008, 02:10:27 am
i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried

I'm not having that problem with firefox. What sort of system do you have? - look at the output of the commands I suggested above, launch firefox from a terminal and see if there are any errors, look at your ~/.xsession-errors file and see if you are getting any errors there.
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 09:57:56 am »
Quote from: lagagnon on January 06, 2008, 08:23:33 am
Quote from: federico on January 06, 2008, 02:10:27 am
i don't know it's a vl 5.9 problem,
i' ve the same problem with firefox
on every recent distro i've tried

I'm not having that problem with firefox. What sort of system do you have? - look at the output of the commands I suggested above, launch firefox from a terminal and see if there are any errors, look at your ~/.xsession-errors file and see if you are getting any errors there.

It's probably Firefox's (and indeed, seemingly all other Gecko browsers') massive bloatedness. The standard semi-fix for that problem with the current crop of Gecko browsers is to enter about:config in the address bar and set browser.cache.memory.enable to false then browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers to 0. However, even that is of limited effectiveness on Firefox and Seamonkey.
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2008, 11:20:16 am »
This may not be relevant, but I HAVE noticed reduced responsiveness in the browser when using Firefox (as root, through help/upgrade menu option) to upgrade to the latest version.  I've been able to resolve the sluggishness but simply upgrading via gslapt; that is now the only way I'll upgrade firefox. FWIW.
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 03:51:19 pm »
lagagnon, with only Firefox and the terminal running i have:

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top - 17:19:41 up  1:48,  1 user,  load average: 0.20, 0.15, 0.10
Tasks:  72 total,   2 running,  70 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  1.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 98.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Mem:    511044k total,   346164k used,   164880k free,    37620k buffers
Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   191928k cached

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 2997 root      15   0  114m  27m 7668 S  0.3  5.5   2:48.06 X                                                 
 3069 usr       16   0 14628 8124 6040 S  0.3  1.6   0:03.61 xfwm4                                             
 3086 usr       15   0 19976  11m 7100 R  0.3  2.4   0:02.22 terminal                                         
 3557 usr       15   0  2316 1116  872 R  0.3  0.2   0:00.02 top                                               
    1 root      15   0   772  300  252 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.81 init                                             
    2 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd                                         
    3 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/0                                       
    4 root      39  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0                                       
    5 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.04 events/0                                         
    6 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 khelper                                           
   87 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kblockd/0                                         
   88 root      11  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:21.00 kacpid                                           
   89 root      11  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:11.47 kacpi_notify                                     
  222 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 tifm                                             
  223 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ata/0                                             
  224 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ata_aux                                           
  225 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksuspend_usbd                                     
  228 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 khubd                                             
  230 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.08 kseriod                                           
  247 root      25   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 pdflush                                           
  248 root      15   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.16 pdflush                                           
  249 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kswapd0                                           
  250 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 aio/0                                             
  251 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 jfsIO                                             
  252 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 jfsCommit                                         
  253 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 jfsSync                                           
  254 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 xfslogd/0                                         
  255 root      20  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 xfsdatad/0                                       
 1022 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 pccardd                                           
 1024 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 pccardd                                           
 1075 root      11  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kpsmoused                                         
 1080 root      11  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kmmcd                                             
 1103 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 reiserfs/0                                       
 1158 root      17  -4  2508 1204  380 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.45 udevd                                             
 2534 root      15   0  2504  984  588 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 mount.ntfs-3g                                     
 2628 root      18   0  1708  572  480 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.02 syslogd                                           
 2631 root      15   0  1668  408  340 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 klogd                                             
 2699 root      15   0  1656  532  464 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.01 acpid                                             
 2773 messageb  16   0  2264  780  644 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 dbus-daemon                                       
 2873 root      18   0  5992 1940 1376 S  0.0  0.4   0:00.00 cupsd                                             
 2884 root      15   0  1688  228  152 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.21 dhcpcd                                           
 2897 root      15   0  3120  856  712 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 kdm                                               
 2946 root      15   0  1648  444  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 2947 root      16   0  1652  452  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 2956 root      16   0  1648  448  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 2965 root      17   0  1648  448  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 2974 root      16   0  1652  452  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 2983 root      16   0  1648  448  388 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 mingetty                                         
 3000 root      17   0  3420 1280  976 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.00 kdm                                               
 3029 usr       23   0  3196 1584 1004 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.02 sh                                               
 3052 usr       15   0  4344 2168 1620 S  0.0  0.4   0:01.17 xscreensaver                                     
 3055 usr       24   0  3464  592  360 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 ssh-agent                                         
 3061 usr       15   0  2868  740  588 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 dbus-launch                                       
 3062 usr       15   0  2268  836  692 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 dbus-daemon                                       
 3064 usr       15   0 14968 8148 5524 S  0.0  1.6   0:00.16 xfce4-session                                     
 3067 usr       15   0 14928 5556 3016 S  0.0  1.1   0:01.35 xfce-mcs-manage                                   
 3071 usr       15   0 17756  10m 6784 S  0.0  2.1   0:14.10 xfce4-panel                                       
 3073 usr       15   0 51216  12m 7492 S  0.0  2.4   0:00.36 Thunar                                           
 3075 usr       15   0  2704 1252  952 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 gam_server                                       
 3077 usr       15   0 51644  11m 7728 S  0.0  2.3   0:00.58 xfdesktop                                         
 3078 usr       15   0 16996 9.9m 6404 S  0.0  2.0   0:00.40 xfce4-menu-plug                                   
 3083 usr       19   0 15376 8096 5940 S  0.0  1.6   0:00.13 xfce4-mount-plu                                   
 3084 usr       15   0 17740 9.8m 6448 S  0.0  2.0   0:00.24 xfce4-mixer-plu                                   
 3087 usr       15   0  2460  748  632 S  0.0  0.1   0:00.00 gnome-pty-helpe                                   
 3088 usr       15   0  3536 1964 1228 S  0.0  0.4   0:00.02 bash                                             
 3167 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.71 truecryptq/0                                     
 3181 root      10  -5     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.05 kjournald                                         
 3482 usr       22   0  2664 1272  972 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.00 firefox                                           
 3483 usr       22   0  3204 1600 1016 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.00 firefox                                           
 3486 usr       25   0  3252 1652 1016 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.01 run-mozilla.sh                                   
 3491 usr       15   0  134m  40m  18m S  0.0  8.2   0:13.61 firefox-bin                                       
 3497 usr       18   0  3876 2180 1788 S  0.0  0.4   0:00.01 gconfd-2
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Mem:        511044     346504     164540          0      37748     191952
-/+ buffers/cache:     116804     394240
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Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda4              9765200   3863004   5902196  40% /
tmpfs                   255520         0    255520   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda1              8792248   3144252   5647996  36% /mnt/hda1
VASMCC is not as slow as when i first installed Vector. . . ( ? ). And i'll try the other window managers when i reboot my computer, thanks for pointing that out. And thanks hanumizzle.

Has it happened to anybody that when Firefox comes upon a file whose type it doesn't recognize and you have to set the file associations. . . doesn't it take forever for the dialog box to display the contents of /usr/bin/ /usr/X11/bin/ and /usr/X11R6/bin/?

Gus
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2008, 04:36:48 pm »
Quote from: gacl on January 07, 2008, 03:51:19 pm
Has it happened to anybody that when Firefox comes upon a file whose type it doesn't recognize and you have to set the file associations. . . doesn't it take forever for the dialog box to display the contents of /usr/bin/ /usr/X11/bin/ and /usr/X11R6/bin/?

Gus

The huge amount of files. /usr/bin, for instance, contains 2,455 files on my system.
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2008, 04:43:34 pm »
hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help.

lagagnon: .xsession-errors shows no errors in Firefox, as far as i can see. I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox?

Thanks.

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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 04:53:03 pm »
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The huge amount of files. /usr/bin, for instance, contains 2,455 files on my system.

Maybe that's my problem. If i'm going to save a file in a folder with lots of files in it, then it slows down ( . . . have to check closely ). I guess it's a processor speed thing ( 1.4 GHz ).

By the way, nice front page!

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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 05:05:51 pm »
you should give one of the ck-kernels a try, maybe they will give you a boost as well.
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 05:24:45 pm »
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hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help.

Good to know :)
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 06:17:10 pm »
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I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox?

Nevermind. . . got it.

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hanumizzle: Your suggestions made no difference, but thanks for your help.
Good to know *smile*

Heh, http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZBQiiUfcps
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2008, 10:21:48 pm »
Quote from: gacl on January 07, 2008, 04:43:34 pm
I was trying FluxBox, but. . . how do i mount? In Xfce if i want to mount as a user i just modify fstab ( with root ) and mount from the utility in the system tray, but how do i do it in FluxBox?

Fluxbox does not have that mount widget that xfce does. Consequently, you either have to set /etc/fstab to auto mount the drive at bootup or make sure HAL or vl-hot are running for detachable devices to be recognized. Either that or you have to mount by hand in a terminal, e.g.:

#mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp

What exactly do you want to mount?
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Re: 5.9 Is A Little Bit Sluggish
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2008, 10:30:16 pm »
This thread bothers me.  I run Vector 5.8 standard on my Omnibook 900b 650 mhz with 256 ram.  I use it about 8 hours a day.  It is rock solid.  I took (according to lagagnon) a sledgehammer to it a couple of months ago and broke the "file open" gadget in Thunar, so I now open files mostly in xfe.  I have all the programs loaded for my business and all of them work perfectly.  Seamonkey is fast.   I have only Vector on my machine (no dual boot) and three partitions [swap (hda1), boot (hda2) and home(hda3)].  Boot has the programs and Home the data. 

As I write, I am downloading Vector 5.9 (BitTorrent).  No earthly reason why, if you come right down to it, except perhaps, it might be better (hope springs eternal) - and I would probably get a fully functioning Thunar again, which I don't much care about.  And I would be using the operating system our club is now giving out to underprivileged kids, so would better be able to explain it to them.

Anyway, I have loaded Vector 5.8 standard on a machine I don't much like (HP Compaq NC6000), with three identical partitions.  My plan is to  load 5.9 on the NC6000 to make sure I can do it without destroying data on the Home partition and, if so, to then load 5.9 on my Omnbook.. 

Now, I read that 5.9 might be slower than 5.8.   

As I said, this bothers me.

1) Does anyone know if it is likely that 5.9 will run slower on my Omnibook?
2) Will I be able to still get my wonderful but perhaps weird programs (particularly lyx) off of gslapt?

John
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