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Author Topic: VL-Light (5.9) Beta 2 Bug thread  (Read 16647 times)
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2008, 08:40:16 am »

Stodgy?  I am really sick and tired of the dumbing down of the English language.  If that makes me stodgy so be it.  I have a CD by David Bedford called "Rime of the Ancient Mariner".  Rime?  The word is rhyme.  English hasn't been phonetic (sounds as it's spelled) since Chaucer's time.  Changing light to lite just plain bothers me no end.

I also do think that most of the public, our potential users, don't distinguish much between propreitary and Open software.  After all, we have proprietsry bits in VL.  I still feel Lite==crippleware and I'd vote against that change.
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2008, 08:51:22 am »

I didn't say anyone was stodgy; I meant "Light" appears stodgy, old-fashioned; unduly formal and traditional. Current usage for a name like this is "Lite." Please provide an example of "Light" being used to name a version, derivative, or fork of a distro.

EDIT: I did use the dictionary, and "stodgy" is the word I intended. One definition (of several) is listed as pejorative. 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stodgy
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2008, 09:15:47 am »

I didn't say anyone was stodgy; I meant "Light" appears stodgy, old-fashioned; unduly formal and traditional. Current usage for a name like this is "Lite." Please provide an example of "Light" being used to name a version, derivative, or fork of a distro.
VL5.9-Light   Grin

I am with Caitlyn on this. Please use the dictionary to see what words mean before using them.

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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2008, 09:20:59 am »

I don't believe we should use "Lite" just because other distros are.  We're not sheep or worse, lemmings.  Most people use Windows rather than Linu too.
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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2008, 09:35:15 am »

So...that's 2 votes for "Light" and 1 vote for "Lite" so far. I can respect that.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2008, 09:55:18 am »

One more vote for "Light".
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2008, 10:16:29 am »

Guys, I don't think we are ready for a discussion about the history, evolution and status of the English language Wink.
Honestly, I don't know if "Lite" means "crippleware". "Light" is used here to denote diet food, so you will understand if I don't like it Smiley. Perhaps we should find a third option. What about just "Little" as in Vector Little Grin.
BTW, It's OK if we use a name used before by others, the language is built based in a common experience. If "Lite" or any other word is usually used to denote this kind of Operative System, will be more easy to use that than trying to establish a new word.
So, as I really don't understand the current use of "Lite" or "Light" in the English software language I will pass the poll. I just wanted to say something about the criteria used to pick the name.

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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2008, 10:28:04 am »

I don't think "Little" is a good description for this release. The ISO weighs in at 330+ MB and a minimal install takes 1.3 GB. What it does is use lightweight applications and window managers to enhance speed.

"Little" would be good for the "Mini" version that is still in very early alpha. We'll see how the demand is for that one.
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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2008, 12:52:44 pm »

Whoever is building the distro can name it any damn thing he/she wishes.

My two cents worth.
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2008, 01:37:04 pm »

I don't think "Little" is a good description for this release. The ISO weighs in at 330+ MB and a minimal install takes 1.3 GB. What it does is use lightweight applications and window managers to enhance speed.

"Little" would be good for the "Mini" version that is still in very early alpha. We'll see how the demand is for that one.

I think there will be a lot of demand for Mini.   There are an increasing number of green systems and low end systems using flash RAM in lieu of a hard drive.  Even the Asus Eee PC has a low end version with only a 2GB card for storage.  When you're that tight on space an itty bitty but very functional OS fits the bill nicely.  Look at the proliferation of such distros (Slax, NimbleX, Feather, Puppy, GoblinX Mini, Mustang, Finnix, etc...) and that should give you an idea that there are going to be users who will try it and like it.

I've been meaning to write a private note to ue8kls since I've now got Mini alpha 1.1 working on my vintage Toshiba Libretto SS-1010 with the 2.6.24.3 testing kernel.  That little box has a 6.4mm form factor 2.1GB hard drive that can't be replaced with anything larger except for a flash RAM card.  Mini fits very nicely.  I could squeeze Light on as well, of course, but I'd rather work with Mini and add the apps I'd like.  I'm going to do some testing on a 32MB system as well.  Mini may be the best choice out there for the rather large number of old Libretto and similar systems still floating around.

The nice thing is that Mini and Light share a lot of common bits.  That should reduce the number of headaches for the developers.

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2008, 03:54:01 pm »

Your Libretto is a powerhouse compared to my Ct70 Libretto. (P-120/32)  Wink  DSL runs acceptable on that one, but I miss many of VL's tools. My even older Ct50 (P1-75/24) will need to stick to BasicLinux, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2008, 06:17:35 pm »

I have a CD by David Bedford called "Rime of the Ancient Mariner".  Rime?  The word is rhyme.

Actually, in this case it *IS* "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner." I checked several sources to confirm this. However, "rime" and "rhyme" are listed as equivalent alternatives in the dictionary. But Coleridge titled it "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner."

I agree with you that the omnipresence of "lite" is tiresome. It has become a cliché.
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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2008, 07:17:23 pm »

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2008, 07:40:53 pm »

Your Libretto is a powerhouse compared to my Ct70 Libretto. (P-120/32)  Wink  DSL runs acceptable on that one, but I miss many of VL's tools. My even older Ct50 (P1-75/24) will need to stick to BasicLinux, I'm afraid.

Well... I've got Light on a Liberty P5-133 (133MHz Pentium, 32MB of RAM) and it works.  Some apps are very slow but some others (Abiword, Gnumeric, Dillo, pcmanfm) work just fine.  I've also got xv on there as a simple photo editor and SIAG for comparison to Abiword/Gumeric (SIAG is faster) and it all works.

I suspect VL Mini will run OK on your Libretto 70CT.  Upgrades to 32MB of RAM for your Libretto 50CT are very cheap on eBay (~$10).  I expect VL Mini would run on that as well after the upgrade.

I need to try elinks on those.
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« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2008, 01:18:53 am »

Another vote here for Light, lite suggests something with things taken out and something nasty put in its place to give the illusion of the original.....
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