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« on: January 28, 2008, 04:51:28 pm »

I feel like such a noob for asking this... but I can't find anything usable in the xorg.conf man page, nor can I find anything (obvious) in settings.

I set my mouse options in VASM to 5-button Including Wheel, assuming it would set buttons 4 and 5 to Forward and Backward respectively.  No, these are mapped to the movement (non-push) of the wheel, and what I thought were buttons 4 and 5 appear to be mapped to button 1 (left click).

I'm assuming therefore, that they are actually buttons 6 and 7, but I don't know how I'd specify that in xorg.conf

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT:  Taken care of - Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 6 7" sorts it out.  Also got some ideas for sorting out my laptop's touchpad.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 04:59:18 am »

Can you share steps to a working Synaptics touchpad in VL 5.9?

Having trouble...despite having it working in my 5.8 install.

Thanks bunches,

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 05:48:56 am »

Ohhhhh  I can help (synaptics)!  I've been wanting to make a HOWTO anyway.  Not great at CLEAR directions so it's been holding me back. I'll give it a go.

In the meantime.  Were are you stuck?
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 03:18:03 pm »

A how-to would be great...though I've been able to get it done previously - have read that there are issues with Slack 12 (which VL5.9 is built on) and synaptics...

Not sure where I'm stuck. The driver is installed (synaptics package in VL repo), and I copied the relevant sections* from the working xorg.conf of my 5.8 install (different xorg versions, but thought synaptics sections shouldn't be impacted). File is below.

*Relevant Sections = Identified in "Server Layout" section (AlwaysCore), loaded in the "Module" section, created as a pointer under "Input Devices". When I load that, only the eraser-nub style mouse moves the cursor, and none of the mouse buttons do anything. The touchpad shows no life - no movement.

Any tips are appreciated Smiley

Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier     "X.org Configured"
Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice    "Synaptics Mouse" "AlwaysCore"
Option "OffTime" "3"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath      "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/"
FontPath     "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "record"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
Load "synaptics"
Load "GLcore"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver      "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"   ## KEYBOARD_MAP!
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver      "mouse"
Option        "Protocol" "auto"
Option        "Device" "/dev/mouse"
Option        "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier    "Synaptics Mouse"
  Driver        "synaptics"
  Option        "Device"        "/dev/psaux"
  Option        "Protocol"      "auto-dev"
  Option        "LeftEdge"      "1700"
  Option        "RightEdge"     "5300"
  Option        "TopEdge"       "1700"
  Option        "BottomEdge"    "4200"
  Option        "FingerLow"     "25"
  Option        "FingerHigh"    "30"
  Option        "MaxTapTime"    "180"
  Option        "MaxTapMove"    "220"
  Option        "VertScrollDelta" "100"
  Option        "MinSpeed"      "0.09"
  Option        "MaxSpeed"      "0.18"
  Option        "AccelFactor"   "0.0015"
  Option        "SHMConfig"     "on"
#  Option       "Repeater"      "/dev/ps2mouse"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName    "Monitor Model"
#Andy Add
HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0
VertRefresh 59.0-75.0
#Andy Commented Out
#HorizSync 31.5-64
#VertRefresh 40-90
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "ATi Radeon 7500"
    Driver      "radeon"
    Option     "DPMS"
    Option      "Accel"
    Option    "AGPMode"      "4"
    Option      "AGPFastWrite" "1"
    Option     "DDCMode"      "yes"
    Option    "EnablePageFlip" "1"
    VideoRam    32768
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
EndSection


Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device     "ATi Radeon 7500"
Monitor    "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 16
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth    8
        Modes    "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" "1152x864" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth    16
        Modes    "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" "1152x864" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth    24
        Modes    "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection



#Section "Screen"
#Identifier "Screen0"
#Device     "ATi Radeon 7500"
#Monitor    "Monitor0"
#DefaultDepth 16
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     1
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     4
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     8
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     15
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     16
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#SubSection "Display"
#Viewport   0 0
#Depth     24
#Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
#EndSubSection
#EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection


Section "Extensions"
Option  "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 05:26:58 pm »

I see two things I'd try first.
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InputDevice    "Synaptics Mouse" "AlwaysCore"
I believe "AlwaysCore" doesn't work from xorg 7.2 onwards.  I believe it should be:
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InputDevice    "Synaptics Mouse" "SendCoreEvents"

also in the Section "InputDevice" for Synaptics Mouse...
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"/dev/psaux"
is different than I use for VL5.9. I use
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"/dev/input/mouse2"

Give that a try along with the first suggestion.

HTH
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 07:01:48 pm »

Thanks, exterdad. Getting closer, maybe...

Touchpad is now responsive to movement, but SOOOO slow, and no tapping/scrolling, etc.

Any more ideas?

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 07:25:44 pm »

Your options under "Synaptics Mouse" are very much like mine.  I'd be interested in seeing your output from
Code:
synclient -l
Thats a lower case L just in case it looks like a uppercase "i" to you.

You can change your options on the fly by using synclient.  It's a fast way to try the settings out without editing xorg.conf and restarting the server.
Example:
Code:
synclient VertEdgeScroll=1
Turns vertical scrolling on. synclient -l shows all your current settings.  "man synaptics" will explain what they are.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 04:35:05 am »

Yes - familiar with synclient - output is below. It seems as though synaptics settings are in effect, but the touchpad itself doesn't know it! Still terribly slow (no acceleration, extremely low top speed, no advanced features like vert-scroll). Makes me think something is wrong in xorg in terms of identifying the touchpad as the touchpad. I've pasted my full xorg.conf below, too.

Your continued input is appreciated!

Thanks,

LLL

SYNCLIENT
Code:
$ synclient -l
Parameter settings:
    LeftEdge                = 1700
    RightEdge               = 5300
    TopEdge                 = 1700
    BottomEdge              = 4200
    FingerLow               = 25
    FingerHigh              = 30
    FingerPress             = 256
    MaxTapTime              = 180
    MaxTapMove              = 220
    MaxDoubleTapTime        = 180
    SingleTapTimeout        = 180
    ClickTime               = 100
    FastTaps                = 0
    EmulateMidButtonTime    = 75
    EmulateTwoFingerMinZ    = 257
    VertScrollDelta         = 100
    HorizScrollDelta        = 20
    VertEdgeScroll          = 1
    HorizEdgeScroll         = 1
    CornerCoasting          = 0
    VertTwoFingerScroll     = 0
    HorizTwoFingerScroll    = 0
    MinSpeed                = 0.06
    MaxSpeed                = 0.12
    AccelFactor             = 0.001
    TrackstickSpeed         = 40
    EdgeMotionMinZ          = 30
    EdgeMotionMaxZ          = 160
    EdgeMotionMinSpeed      = 1
    EdgeMotionMaxSpeed      = 76
    EdgeMotionUseAlways     = 0
    UpDownScrolling         = 1
    LeftRightScrolling      = 1
    UpDownScrollRepeat      = 1
    LeftRightScrollRepeat   = 1
    ScrollButtonRepeat      = 100
    TouchpadOff             = 0
    GuestMouseOff           = 0
    LockedDrags             = 0
    LockedDragTimeout       = 5000
    RTCornerButton          = 2
    RBCornerButton          = 3
    LTCornerButton          = 0
    LBCornerButton          = 0
    TapButton1              = 1
    TapButton2              = 2
    TapButton3              = 3
    CircularScrolling       = 0
    CircScrollDelta         = 0.1
    CircScrollTrigger       = 0
    CircularPad             = 0
    PalmDetect              = 1
    PalmMinWidth            = 10
    PalmMinZ                = 200
    CoastingSpeed           = 0
    PressureMotionMinZ      = 30
    PressureMotionMaxZ      = 160
    PressureMotionMinFactor = 1
    PressureMotionMaxFactor = 1
    GrabEventDevice         = 1
XORG.CONF
Code:
$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "XFree86 Configured"
        Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
        InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
# PS/2 Mouse using /dev/input/mice in Kernel 2.6
# Serial Mouse not detected
        InputDevice    "USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
InputDevice    "Synaptics Mouse" "SendCoreEvents"
#Set screenblank after 5 minutes; needs DPMS under Monitor section
        Option "OffTime" "3"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
        Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"  "true"

EndSection

Section "Files"
    RgbPath     "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
    ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/local/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/OTF/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/CID/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "ddc"  # ddc probing of monitor
        Load  "GLcore"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
        Load  "speedo"
        Load  "type1"
        Load  "freetype"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "synaptics"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Keyboard0"
        Driver      "keyboard"
        Option      "CoreKeyboard"
        Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
        Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
        Option "XkbLayout" ""

EndSection

#Section "InputDevice"
#       Identifier  "Serial Mouse"
#       Driver      "mouse"
#       Option      "Protocol" "Microsoft"
#       Option      "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
#       Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
#       Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
#       Option      "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
#EndSection

#Section "InputDevice"
#       Identifier  "PS/2 Mouse"
#       Driver      "mouse"
#       Option      "Protocol" "auto"
#       Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
#       Option      "Device" "/dev/psaux"
#       Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
#       Option      "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
#       Option      "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
#EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "USB Mouse"
        Driver          "mouse"
        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
#       Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
        Option          "Protocol"              "IMPS/2"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
        Option          "Buttons"               "5"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
  Driver "synaptics"
  Identifier "Synaptics Mouse"
  Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse2"
  Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
  Option "LeftEdge" "1700"
  Option "RightEdge" "5300"
  Option "TopEdge" "1700"
  Option "BottomEdge" "4200"
  Option "FingerLow" "25"
  Option "FingerHigh" "30"
  Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
  Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
  Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
  Option "MinSpeed" "0.06"
  Option "MaxSpeed" "0.12"
  Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"
  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection



#Section "InputDevice"
#  Identifier    "Synaptics Mouse"
#  Driver        "synaptics"
#  Option        "Device"        "/dev/input/mouse2"
#  Option        "Protocol"      "auto-dev"
#  Option        "LeftEdge"      "1700"
#  Option        "RightEdge"     "5300"
#  Option        "TopEdge"       "1700"
#  Option        "BottomEdge"    "4200"
#  Option        "FingerLow"     "25"
#  Option        "FingerHigh"    "30"
#  Option        "MaxTapTime"    "180"
#  Option        "MaxTapMove"    "220"
#  Option        "VertScrollDelta" "100"
#  Option        "MinSpeed"      "0.09"
#  Option        "MaxSpeed"      "0.18"
#  Option        "AccelFactor"   "0.0015"
#  Option        "SHMConfig"     "on"
#  Option       "Repeater"      "/dev/ps2mouse"
#EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver "synaptics"
  Identifier "Mouse0"
  Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
  Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
  Option "LeftEdge" "1700"
  Option "RightEdge" "5300"
  Option "TopEdge" "1700"
  Option "BottomEdge" "4200"
  Option "FingerLow" "25"
  Option "FingerHigh" "30"
  Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
  Option "MaxTapMove" "220"
  Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
  Option "MinSpeed" "0.06"
  Option "MaxSpeed" "0.12"
  Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"
  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
EndSection

# Auto-generated by VLXconf             

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "Monitor0"
        Option  "DPMS"
        VendorName      "QDS"
        ModelName       "QDS0006"
#       HorizSync    28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors
        HorizSync    28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
        VertRefresh  50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker.
#       VertRefresh  50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default.
        #  Default modes distilled from
----COMPRESSED/REMOVED BY LLL FOR THIS POST----
EndSection

Section "Device"
        ### Available Driver options are:-
# sw_cursor is needed for some ati and radeon cards
Option "sw_cursor"
        #Option     "hw_cursor"
        #Option     "NoAccel"
        #Option     "ShowCache"
        #Option     "ShadowFB"
        #Option     "UseFBDev"
        #Option     "Rotate"
        Identifier  "Card0"
# The following line is auto-generated by VLXconf             
        Driver      "ati"
        VendorName  "ATI"
        BoardName   "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]"
#       BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "Screen0"
        Device     "Card0"
        Monitor    "Monitor0"
        DefaultColorDepth 24
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     1
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     4
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     8
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     15
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     16
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     24
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
        SubSection "Display"
                Depth     32
                Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
        Mode 0666
EndSection
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 08:53:31 am »

I can't spot anything else in your xorg.conf (not that I'm a guru), that looks wrong.  You have stuff commented out, or a extra input device for the touchpad.  But it's not called in the ServerLayout, so it's not going to matter.

Your options involving the speed are exactly the same as mine.
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  Option "MinSpeed" "0.06"
  Option "MaxSpeed" "0.12"
  Option "AccelFactor" "0.0010"

Maybe bump up the AccelFactor up in TINY increments.  Maybe 0.0020 or something.  Little changes will make a HUGE difference. Too much AccelFactor will make your mouse pointer quiver and shoot all around when trying to move.  Like a hamster on caffeine or something.

I compared your synclient -l output to mine line for line and it isn't a whole lot different.  Accept for the touchpad edges.
To me, it seems your BottomeEdge isn't very far down, and your RightEdge isn't very far to the right.  Your vertical scrollbar begins at that defined edge.  On this laptop with the defaults, my vertical scroll was a crazy distance from the right edge of the touchpad.  And if I tried to scroll on the very right edge against the frame (my personal pref), it seemed the touchpad was dead there.  The same was true for the horizontal scroll at the bottom of the touchpad.  It was up so high, that it was located near the middle of the touchpad.  It was very hard to do anything correctly.

I'm not a fan of using the corner taps for buttons.  So I make my edge sizes as large as possible.  I do however leave a little bit of room on the right.  This puts my vertical scroll zone right against the frame on the right of the touchpad.  That way I can just feel that I'm in the right place.  But that squishes my corner tap buttons into non-existence.  At this time my horizontal scroll is squeezed out as well.  Just haven't gotten around to adjusting my bottomedge to correct it yet. Not a big loss for me anyway.
I'm including my current configuration for you to try out.  It might be a good starting point.  But not all touchpads are built the same.  I set it up as a very large synclient command, just copy and paste it into a console and see what happens.  If it gets you closer, then you know we're getting somewhere.  If it is unusable,  just restart X.
Code:
synclient  \
LeftEdge=1200 \
RightEdge=5600 \
TopEdge=1250 \
BottomEdge=5000 \
FingerLow=25 \
FingerHigh=35 \
FingerPress=256 \
MaxTapTime=180 \
MaxTapMove=220 \
MaxDoubleTapTime=180 \
SingleTapTimeout=180 \
ClickTime=100 \
FastTaps=0 \
EmulateMidButtonTime=75 \
EmulateTwoFingerMinZ=257 \
VertScrollDelta=100 \
HorizScrollDelta=80 \
VertEdgeScroll=1 \
HorizEdgeScroll=1 \
CornerCoasting=1 \
VertTwoFingerScroll=0 \
HorizTwoFingerScroll=0 \
MinSpeed=0.06 \
MaxSpeed=0.12 \
AccelFactor=0.001 \
TrackstickSpeed=40 \
EdgeMotionMinZ=30 \
EdgeMotionMaxZ=160 \
EdgeMotionMinSpeed=1 \
EdgeMotionMaxSpeed=304 \
EdgeMotionUseAlways=0 \
UpDownScrolling=1 \
LeftRightScrolling=1 \
UpDownScrollRepeat=1 \
LeftRightScrollRepeat=1 \
ScrollButtonRepeat=100 \
TouchpadOff=0 \
GuestMouseOff=0 \
LockedDrags=0 \
LockedDragTimeout=5000 \
RTCornerButton=2 \
RBCornerButton=3 \
LTCornerButton=0 \
LBCornerButton=0 \
TapButton1=1 \
TapButton2=2 \
TapButton3=3 \
CircularScrolling=0 \
CircScrollDelta=0.1 \
CircScrollTrigger=0 \
CircularPad=0 \
PalmDetect=1 \
PalmMinWidth=10 \
PalmMinZ=200 \
CoastingSpeed=0 \
PressureMotionMinZ=30 \
PressureMotionMaxZ=160 \
PressureMotionMinFactor=1 \
PressureMotionMaxFactor=1 \
GrabEventDevice=1

To find out exactly where your touchpad edges are.  Just run:
Quote
synclient -m 100
Pay attention to the first two columns in the output.  They are your X and Y coordinates.  They don't hold rock steady as you are moving your finger.  Just pick a average.

Please forgive me....  I'm sure I'm telling you things you already know.  Thought I'd try to over explain a bit for future readers.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2008, 06:27:15 pm »

exterdad,

Thanks bunches for your help. The computer in question is not fixed yet, but has made its way to Quebec where my girlfriend is enrolled in a 5 week French immersion program.

The good news: Her sweet - and free - laptop is there running VL5.9 for all to see. She's connected to the free wireless in her residence same as her fellow students (running XP, and curiously looking at her screen), and I ripped a bunch of her favourite CD's to the disk for play in Amarok while she's away. The less-than-great-news: Vertical scroll with the touchpad doesn't work...yet. A small price to pay for an otherwise free and wonderful laptop and OS.

So - long story short - thanks for your help! I won't post about the problem for another 5 weeks, but will likely give it a go again when she returns.

Until then...

Keep on rockin' in the free world!

LLL
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