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Author Topic: Installing on a really old notebook [solved]  (Read 3093 times)
karkrash
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« on: October 17, 2008, 01:16:53 pm »

I'm installing(at least hoping to) on a very old IBM notebook.  It has a CD-ROM (unbootable) and floppy.  I've read up quite a bit about the kernel being too large to fit on a floppy with 2.6.

Should I install 2.4 (this is a test machine).  If so, what was the last Vector release to be 2.4?

I would like to install 2.6, but have run into several dead ends and half a day of searching/trying remedies to create a floppy.

The notebook is an IBM 380D 150MHz Pentium, 48MB mem, 3GB HD, 10/100 3COM network card.  It currently has Win98 installed.

Thanks
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nightflier
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 02:31:42 pm »

Since you have W98, you should be able to start in MS-DOS and install using loadlin.

Burn your CD, and grab these files off of it:
\install\loadlin\loadlin.exe
\isolinux\kernel\sata
\isolinux\initrd.img

create a folder c:\loadlin and copy the above files into it.

Insert CD into drive, then, from DOS (not a command prompt window in w98), issue command:
c:\loadlin\loadlin.exe sata initrd=initrd.img load_ramdisk=1 ramdisk_size=18000 rw root=/dev/ram

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GrannyGeek
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 06:55:53 pm »

I hope you're trying to install VL Light on that laptop. A 3 gig hard drive is too small for VL 5.9 Standard.
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karkrash
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 10:54:36 am »

I am installing VL Light.  Nightflier's input has helped.  However, I have just burned my second CD and have a problem with veclinux.tlz.  The check media reports the it is corrupted on both CD's I have created.

Has anybody else seen this?

Karkrash
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 11:47:16 am »

That usually means corruption in the download process.  Delete the iso you have and download it again.  It will almost certainly work.
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HP Mini 110 netbook, 1.6GHz Intel Atom CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel 950 video, VL 7.1
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 11:51:08 am »

I suspect that the combination of large, highly compressed bulk packages and older machines cause this issue. The decompression maxes out the system for a long time and errors occur.

I made an ISO using less compression. Find it here:
http://cincinnatix.com/vectorlinux/nightflier/VL5.9.1-Light.iso
md5sum:  8214c61fcc7ca23e69b47c2c6d17cad3

The download is just over 500 MB. I tried it on a Celeron 500 with 64 MB of RAM (minus some for shared graphics). There was a dramatic increase in install speed over the original version. If anyone tries it, please post your results here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 11:53:17 am »

5.9.1?  Do we need to have a new version announcement?   Grin

Are there any other differences from 5.9?  The original 5.9 (and your wonderful 6.0 alpha) both worked well for me.  If the compression rate is the only change then it won't be much of a test if I download it.
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CentOS 6.5 (will try VL64-7.1 soon)

Toshiba Satellite A135-S4727,  Intel Pentium T2080 / 1.73 GHz, 2GB RAM, Intel GMA 950

HP Mini 110 netbook, 1.6GHz Intel Atom CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel 950 video, VL 7.1
karkrash
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 11:58:00 am »

The disk checks out on a newer dell computer.  I can run loadlin and it is reading files off of the cdrom (i.e. SATA and INITRD.IMG).  Wondering if this cdrom is struggling to read the disk.

Karkrash
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 12:02:29 pm »

@ Caitlyn:
5.9.1 is not an official release, I just wanted to differentiate it from the original. It is a quick experiment to see if using less compression helps out in cases like this. The contents of the ISO is identical to the original, so no need to test unless you want to try it on a really low spec machine.

@ karkrash:
Even if the 5.9 Final disc works on a faster computer, it may not install on an old one. If installing from the CD fails, there is the option of installing from the hard drive, but it's a little more involved. Try the unofficial 5.9.1 first.
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karkrash
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 02:25:42 pm »

I will try the new ISO.  So far the download has failed twice....once at 488MB  Sad

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 02:45:19 pm »

If you have a Linux system use wget to download at the command line.  It will resume interrupted downloads and you don't have to start from scratch.

wget -cr <url>
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CentOS 6.5 (will try VL64-7.1 soon)

Toshiba Satellite A135-S4727,  Intel Pentium T2080 / 1.73 GHz, 2GB RAM, Intel GMA 950

HP Mini 110 netbook, 1.6GHz Intel Atom CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel 950 video, VL 7.1
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 02:47:30 pm »

If you have a Linux system use wget to download at the command line.  It will resume interrupted downloads and you don't have to start from scratch.

wget -cr <url>

Smiley Even if you don't have a Linux system. Wget for windows can be found here:

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/wget.htm

paul.
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karkrash
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 07:33:01 am »

Thanks for the tips....wget helped retrieve the file.

I got better results with the new iso.  veclinux.tlz passed the check, but vlconfig.tlz failed. 

KarKrash
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 07:43:21 am »

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I got better results with the new iso.  veclinux.tlz passed the check, but vlconfig.tlz failed. 

Better check the md5sum before burning the iso.
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karkrash
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 10:09:10 am »

Thanks to all for the responses.  I am now running on the 150 MHz IBM Thinkpad.

Specs:
150Mhz Pentium
48 MB mem
2 GB HD
800x600 display

Learned lessons:
The new iso supplied by "nightflier" worked as well as his guidance on installing from non-bootable CDROM.
- I used a bootable DOS floppy with CD drivers
- I then used loadlin steps provided by nightflier
I needed to limit the packages I was installing (1.5GB...I have 622 MB left).
I needed Wget to complete the download successfully. (as suggested by caitlyn and toothandnail)
The MD5sum was wrong on my first download (as suggested by wcs).

My next challenge is to get the PCMCIA 3Com ethernet board (model 3CCFE574BT) working.

Karkrash
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