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Author Topic: The VL-hot thread  (Read 53721 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 12:07:43 pm »

Hi, Joe,

I'll find some time in the evening or over the weekend.  I have to dig it out from wherever it is -- fortunately I think I know where.

-Cait
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2007, 10:38:10 am »

Hi, Joe,

Sorry to be the bearer of not so good news but---

1.  Inserted old memory card & got an appropriate icon
2.  I can read from and write to the card

That's all good.

When I tried to unmount (right mouse click on icon) I get:

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[Unable to unmount "64M Volume":

A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Unmount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")/quote]

It appears that I'd have to be root to unmount.

-Cait
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2007, 10:43:36 am »

That is not the vl-hot icon then. It does not use hal at all. That must be hal showing that icon. If so, you should get 2 icons on KDE and 3 on XFCE, the hal icon and the vl-hot icon, plus the vl-hot unmount icon which is exclusive for xfce.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2007, 10:56:37 am »

Caitlyn, are you using GNOME by any chance?
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2007, 11:19:39 am »

No, Xfce 4.4.0.  I should point out the 4.4.0 was built with hal if I remember correctly.

OK, the VL-hot isn't giving me an icon at all.

-Cait
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2007, 11:25:07 am »

OK, I unmounted as root and the icon remained.  I removed the card and it disappeared.

I reinserted the card and got three icons:  two from vl-hot plus the one aforementioned icon.

The vl-hot unmount icon works correctly.  (Joe, when did you add audio cues?)  The hal icon remains but the two vl-hot icons disappear.  I remove the card and the last icon disappears.  I reinsert the card and I get three icons.

The card was inserted when I booted up this time.  It seems vl-hot doesn't provide icons for items that were in place at boot.

-Cait
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2007, 11:35:17 am »

I think an Xfce build with HAL disabled might be in order Grin

Hal is probably interfering with VL-Hot's work.
Honestly, I don't know why the Xfce dev team shoved Hal support into Xfce 4.4 at the last minute like they did...  Lips sealed

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2007, 12:06:10 pm »

Joe, when did you add audio cues?
Hehe, a few versions ago, and you should also get a nice popup message if you have libnotify and notification-daemon-xfce. Had to find some use for dbus, right?... Grin

The card was inserted when I booted up this time.  It seems vl-hot doesn't provide icons for items that were in place at boot.
It should, and it works for me. I am using the non-hal xfce build however, so it might conceivably be interference from hal.

I think an Xfce build with HAL disabled might be in order Grin
There always was one... I strongly insisted... Grin

http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.8/fixes/xfce-4.4.0-no-hal-i586-4vl58.tlz
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.8/fixes/Thunar-0.8.0-no-hal-i586-4vl58.tlz
http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/veclinux-5.8/fixes/xfprint-4.4.0-no-hal-i586-3vl58.tlz

Vec7 mentioned that 4.4.1 probably won't build without hal though. We should give it a good try anyway, I guess.
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2007, 12:38:20 pm »

Is someone working on building Xfce 4.4.1?  I was going to try it but I don't want to duplicate efforts.

-Cait
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2007, 12:39:40 pm »

Vec7 built it.


EDIT: OK, doesn't seem to be in the 5.8 repo, but it is in the VL6 dev isos. So maybe a 5.8 package isn't done yet?
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2007, 09:02:52 pm »

I installed the no-HAL XFce 4.4.0 plus Thunar and xfprint on my test machine today. What's different compared with the versions that come with VL 5.8 Standard Gold?

In the spirit of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" I won't install 4.4.0 on my other two systems unless there is some advantage I don't know about.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2007, 09:08:24 pm »

What's different compared with the versions that come with VL 5.8 Standard Gold?
No dependency on the hal demon.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2007, 01:10:58 am »

What's different compared with the versions that come with VL 5.8 Standard Gold?
No dependency on the hal demon.
The version that was on 5.8 gold didn't (doesn't) depend on the Hell-demon either, that was a last minute addition to Xfce 4.4.0 IIRC.
I'm not sure what the advantages of the newer versions are over the version in 5.8 standard.
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2007, 03:01:11 am »

What's different compared with the versions that come with VL 5.8 Standard Gold?
No dependency on the hal demon.
The version that was on 5.8 gold didn't (doesn't) depend on the Hell-demon either,
Indeed not, but it was the last release candidate, not the final. "Hell-demon", nice word-play... Grin

that was a last minute addition to Xfce 4.4.0 IIRC.
Yes, because it was somewhat hard to build without hal, IIRC.

I'm not sure what the advantages of the newer versions are over the version in 5.8 standard.
If you mean hal, neither am I... Roll Eyes but it is the final and had some bugs removed, I guess.
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2007, 06:09:16 pm »

If I encounter a bug, I'll install no-HAL XFce 4.4 on my other two computers. Until then, I think I'll stick with what I have unless I notice something on XFce 4.4 on the one desktop that's not in the older version included with 5.8 Standard Gold.

Either way, it seems no harm would be done.
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